WHICH IS BETTER!? 14" vs 16" MacBook Pro M2 Pro

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WHICH IS BETTER!? M2 Pro MacBook Pro 14 inch vs 16 inch [everything compared]
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@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Are you Team 14 inch or 16 inch MacBook Pro? comment below... ➞ New  M2 Computers 💻 M2 Pro MacBook Pro 14in: geni.us/M2proMacBookPro14 💻 M2 Pro MacBook Pro 16in: geni.us/M2proMacBookPro 🖥 M2 Mac mini: geni.us/M2Macmini 🖥 M2 Pro Mac mini: geni.us/M2proMacmini ➞  M1 Computers 💻 M1 MacBook Pro 14” (on-sale) geni.us/M1ProMBP14sale 💻 M1 MacBook Pro 16” (on-sale) geni.us/M1ProMBP16sale ➞  Apple Accessories ⌨  Magic Keyboard w/ TouchID geni.us/MagicKeyboardTouchID 🖱  Magic Trackpad geni.us/MagicTrackPad 🖱  Magic Mouse geni.us/TheMagicMouse 🖥  Studio Display geni.us/StudioDisplaywStand 🧻  Polishing cloth geni.us/ApplePolishingCloth ⚪  AirTag geni.us/AppleAirTagz CalDigit TS3 Plus geni.us/CaldigitTS3Plus CalDigit TS4 geni.us/CaldigitTS4 Logitech MX mouse geni.us/MXmaster3s OWC miniStack STX geni.us/OWCministackSTX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 🖥 TECH Kits ►► geni.us/RecommendedTECH 🎶 Where I get music for my channel ►► (30-day FREE Trial): geni.us/CJUEpidemicSound 🎞 How I grow my Channel ►► geni.us/TubeBuddyCJ 🎥 Where I get my Video Animations ►► geni.us/MotionVFXplugins 🪵 All Grovemade Products (use code: CJUNPLUGGED for 10% off): geni.us/GroveMade ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Vlog Camera ►► geni.us/MyVlogCamera Main Camera Used ►► geni.us/NewMainCamera Main Lens ►► geni.us/CJKT2ndLens Main Mic Used ►► geni.us/MainMicrophoneUsed 2nd Camera Used ►► geni.us/CJKTCamera 2nd Lens Used ►► geni.us/CJKTLens Lav MIC Used ►► geni.us/CJKTLavMic -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

@charliemoorejr. Год назад

I'm 16 inch MacBook Pro

@kreigerbailey3550 Год назад

Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!!

@dr_ice_mind Год назад

@joseortiz-sr4jl 11 месяцев назад

I want the base model 14 inch M2 Pro MacBook..

@RACAPE Год назад

I used a 14-inch laptop for some time and I still have it, but it is too small for me. I just got my first MacBook ever, the 16-inch version with m2 max, 32 GB ram, and 1 TB and I love it. The screen looks so good and it's just the perfect size for me. Now I'm enjoying laying in bed, working on a such beautiful screen with an amazing battery. This laptop changed my perception of how a laptop should be: a beautiful screen, a power horse without hearing the fans, and an amazing battery.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Glad you love it

@ashleympg Год назад

I've used the 16" M1 Pro for the past year+, and recently picked up the 14" M2. I use these on my lap about 99 percent of the time, and the 14" has me slouching down way more, and just isn't as immersive as the larger display. For lap use, the thermals do come into play for me. The 14" seems noticeably hotter, faster. As far as weight goes, I was really surprised that the 14" being a lb lighter, didn't actually FEEL lighter. She's still a heavy girl like you said in the video. I guess they feel the same weight to me because the weight is disbursed in a much smaller package with the 14". All of this was super interesting to me, but now at least I know which team I'm on. Exchanging it for the 16" M2 today.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

That's why the best test sometimes is in person...Thanks for sharing your real world user experience

@ob4485 11 месяцев назад

How do you exchange it when you've already unboxed and used it?

@ashleympg 11 месяцев назад

@@ob4485 They have a return policy

@ShredzZ 10 месяцев назад

@@ashleympgso do you still prefer 16 over 14 i dont think which one to get, mainly coding and some graphic work without any other monitors

@ashleympg 10 месяцев назад

@@ShredzZ I do. I use it all day for work and personal use, and it's just a much more comfortable experience for me. If you don't have any other monitors, I'd say the extra screen size would be worth it long-term.

@MasterStix Год назад

Great video man. Very thoughtful and everything else. I'm a photographer and I edit videos and photos. Basically, I'm trying to figure out which one would be best to own? And size wise also. I'm making a big upgrade cuz I currently have a 2012 Mac and not able to do much on it. Also, when it comes to the ram, what would be a good amount to have on it?

@MSKH1970 Год назад

thx for the video CJKnowsTech this thing looks beastly both are good choices

@tng_abu3201 Год назад

Found your channel about two weeks ago once I started searching for reviews on MacBooks and I have to say I love the content bro keep up the great work! Praying for your success 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Thanks! I appreciate that, Respect 👊🏾

@utilizator333 3 месяца назад

Hands down, simply the most helpful video to make decision. Great job 👍

@lionmike247 Год назад

great content my guy! great sense of humor as well. first time seeing you, keep it up!

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Thank You much appreciated

@Juan_EncarnadoIII 8 месяцев назад

im thinking about getting the MBP 16-inch with 16gb ram. im gonna use it mainly for video editing, is this enough ram or should I upgrade it to 32gb?

@maverickmo8976 9 месяцев назад

Is there a big difference on speed between buying a 1tb ssd vs a 512 ssd on a 2023 MBP M2? I didnt know it would effect anything. I was looking into taking a programming class and game development.

@Ken_333 Год назад

Well i just graduated high school and thinking about start working. And on the side i was thinking about buying a high spec Macbook Pro and i will just pay it mothly for 3 years and think about it as if i am paying for a tuition fee for a school. I was thinking about learning programming,graphic design,music,japanese(because i live in japan)etc.Is this a good idea?Any advice for me and what spec should i get?

@gwvaio Год назад

The slow ssd speed is an issue. People are paying good money for an inferior product from last year and instead of putting the onus on the trillion dollar corporation you put it on the consumer because they didn’t spend more for 1TB 🤦🏾‍♂️ y’all kill me. Extrapolate that to other businesses. you order a filet mignon that’s mostly ground beef because the restaurant thought you wouldn’t notice. Your new car gets 10 less mpg because the manufacturer thought you wouldn’t notice. It’s crazy how individuals argue against consumer rights/knowledge in favor of these large corporations. Good video otherwise

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

I agree that the speeds should be fast but I also understand the 3500mb/s is fast. Of course I enjoy the 6000mb/s speeds and it’s great we got it on base models from previous. But we can also take into the account that chip production may still be recovering and our economy is crushed at the moment. Believe me I want every model to have 6000+ speeds but it is what it is

@JeanLucConnery Год назад

Apple has made me NOT want to buy a laptop. Smart move Apple.

@maverickmo8976 9 месяцев назад

Wait....is there a big difference of buying a 512 ssd mbp m2 vs getting a 1tb mbp m2?

@theoldknowledge6778 Год назад

The best review I've seen so far! Thank you!

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

No Problem, glad it was helpful!

@sandgaijin Год назад

I don’t think people realize how large 16” is. Yeah, you can demo it at the store but once you finally get that thing home like I did. Isolated from all the other machines at the store, it feels gigantic especially if you used smaller screens. I say that with great pleasure of my M1 Max the last couple of years. I would like a 14” some day because that 16” is HEAVY to haul around.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Right!😂 the 16" is massive in person lol

@E.P.Greene 11 месяцев назад

Actually, I was going to grab one of the new 15" Mac Airs when I ran across the refurbed price of the 14" Mac Pro. The cost of the new 15" Air was something like $100 cheaper than the 14 MacBook Pro with the M2 Pro chip in it. I opted for the Pro with the extra stuff like HDMI and more Thunderbolt slot. I have the refurbed 14" MacBook Pro M2 Pro and I love it. The screen is by itself worth the upgrade. Will I use all this horsepower? No. But I was looking for something that will last 5-6 years and I think I found it. Thanks for the info you presented and your sense of humor is refreshing.

@Hiimbald12 6 месяцев назад

I'd like to buy a 14 or 16 inch macbook pro. I currently have an ipad pro m1 11 inch. I love big screens, as i have an iphone 15 pro max. however, i originally picked the ipad pro 12,9 and it felt too big for my taste. I am still deciding on which size to pick. I love big inmersive screens, but at the same time i don't want it to be a pain to carrry around. I don't mind the estra weight, is more of a size decision. What do you recommend me? (i'd like to use my ipad as an extra monitor too).

@ThesisHimselfOfficial Год назад

I'm looking to replace my decades-old Mac Pro. I'm an audio engineer and RU-vid so I need desktop performance-however I also DJ so the idea of not having to buy a separate laptop on top of another desktop sis fantastic. But I'm still torn between the 16" and 14" as I will be using it in clamshell mode 95% of the time. Great content btw, CJ

@PAUL-uk1le 9 месяцев назад

What about speakers is 16" 200.00 better vs 14

@ShredzZ 10 месяцев назад

Do you think 14 inch will be fine for coding if I don’t use external monitors?

@socom915 Год назад

I bought the 14'' M2 Pro. I like the slightly bigger size compared to my 2018 intel MacBook Pro and it has plenty of speed since all I do is edit some photos in Lightroom and use word/excel for my finance classes

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Great choice

@T10107 Год назад

I have the 16 inch M1 MBP and I’d go with the 14 inch for portability alone.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Right

@Javarrol Год назад

I just went with the 16 inch. I currently have the 13 inch. MacBook Pro and Final Cut Pro is good but I want better. 😆

@Dando-1983 Год назад

Keep phoning Tim 🍎 CJ he’ll soon be hanging up on you live on stage 😂

@ChloePatrick02 Год назад

I’m going with the 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch M2 Pro

@warzyd86 Год назад

Which one do you think would be better choice to use just as station for a studio display in office?

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

If you’re docking it and not using the display then side doesn’t matter…but when you get portable it does

@warzyd86 Год назад

@@CJKnowsTECH Sounds like 14” is better choice then.

@jay.jay.1 Год назад

I would love to see MacBook Pro 14 m1 vs MacBook Pro 14 m2

@ronbrooks6547 Год назад

I may end up getting the MacBook Pro 16-inch M2 Max. I just wish Tim Apple 🍎 🍏 gave more colors. Make me Buy an Orange one, all we get is Basic silver or Basic Grey .... SMH 🤦🏾‍♂️

@knowquarter Год назад

This video helped me make my decision, thank you! Off topic: which watch band is that? It looks like the Apple leather one but I don't see that color 🤔

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Awesome! Yup it’s an Apple leather link "Golden Brown" (link): geni.us/GldnBrwnLeatherBand

@chicagobob Год назад

I juist loaded up the 16" -- figured last me a really long time. Hope I don't regret the size

@whengrapespop5728 Год назад

Do you regret the size?

@chicagobob Год назад

@@whengrapespop5728 the one delivered was damaged in delivery. I did take out of the box to see the dent and said to myself. Wow this is big

@kobefan2472 Год назад

@@whengrapespop5728 I bought the 14 inch at first had size anxiety and returned for the 16 and I don't regret the size at all go for it .

@deadstar962 8 месяцев назад

@@kobefan2472 same font on 14inch is way too small that big 16inch screen is the best

@yvonnegraves7357 Год назад

I choose 14 inch looks cool to carry around and so light weight it’s super cool 😎 👍

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Yeah 14" is a great size for portability

@Dando-1983 Год назад

Great video CJ I’m no professional but great comparison and breakdown, personally as I don’t get Laptops often.. I’ll be getting the BMW M3 MacBook Air 💻 hopefully 3nm and will last me for many years.. ^__^=

@johnulcer Год назад

I’m incredibly conflicted right now… trying to decide between a 14 inch m2 Pro for $1800 vs a 16 inch M1 Max for $2500. Just cannot make up my mind. Every time I think I’ve made a decision I second guess myself.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

What are you using it for? Do you need more graphic power?

@johnulcer Год назад

@@CJKnowsTECH honestly not really. Currently I am a basic user but long term hope to get back into video editing and do some photo editing as well. I just worry that 16gb won’t be enough and will cause the laptop to feel dated more quickly. The RAM is my biggest concern but the screen is also something I’m indecisive about… initially I just wanted the smaller screen for the form factor and because I have an external monitor and liked how the 14 felt on my lap and in my hands, but the 16in really is beautiful once I adjusted to it haha. Standing at my kitchen island for example and working from it is a lot nicer than the 14. But the flip side is the 14 is way more comfortable to use on my lap if I’m on the sofa or in bed etc and that’s probably going to be a more common scenario, and if I really want the larger screen I can always dock it to the external.

@e7trafl Год назад

I’m an editor and sometimes I edit Long 4K videos - which one I look for , is it M2 Pro 32GB / M2 Max 32GB ( before the other Max one ) The cheapest anyway - I’ll choose the 14 inch MacBook and I’m totally confused I want 2 TB but it’s so expensive Beside if I take it I’ll handle and buy just the M2 Pro 32GB instead of M2 Max _ And I’m little bit afraid off the heating part but it’s okay, and we have 15% tax But I’ll look for little sales / I’m so interested in the chips & Ssd storages because most of the times I run out of space ! Even if it’s 1 TB .. and the part of “ Estimated TBW “ I didn’t understand it actually if you can clarify a bit , and thank you for this glorious thoughtful video ❤ Last question can i give up on the internal ssd against the external ssd ? If I had to .. i hope u can answer it and I’m sorry for the long paragraph 😂

@e7trafl Год назад

And if I look for 2 TB I had to order it To the East & I think a lot of tax’s beside it Bec no Apple Store in my country And all of these specifications no one have by default But I hope I can find and decide the best choice that I won’t regret And the best price for it… I’m gonna take a long time to decide 🥲

@braaji Год назад

Bro you are real, I sold my MBP 16/ 2019 for MBP 14/M2 I am very happy

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Respect bro Thanks I hope you enjoy it

@israelcarreon8332 Год назад

Yo, bro! Im coming from the same spot. How has it been coming from a 16 to a 14. I’ve been debating which one to get.

@americanprincess851 Год назад

@@israelcarreon8332 I couldn’t go down to the 14 inch , I like the larger laptop. I’ve never had the 13 inch laptop.

@MobileMasterTech Год назад

I love it when he calls Tim Apple 🍎

@scottscottsdale7868 Год назад

❤

@sodiumchloride8273 Год назад

That’s his name

@HarryASMR Год назад

😂😂😂 get this man some Apple products sent to him for this skit at the end alone! 😄

@jayp9059 Год назад

i have an m1 max 16 inch... i will buy an m2 max 14 inch. carrying around a 16 inch laptop is over kill.. this 16 inch is suited to stay at home

@FATHERHOODINFOCUS Год назад

I ordered the 16” M2 max. I keep checking UPS tracking. It’s not getting here fast enough in the UK.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Lol I know the feeling😂

@alishumon 10 месяцев назад

Did it arrive

@gmcenroe Год назад

I am upgrading from a 2018 MacBook Pro 15" to the 2023 MacBook Pro M2Pro 32Gb mem. 2TB storage. My 512 Mb storage on my 15" model was a mistake.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

NIce! Yeah I made a mistake on storage with my 14" M1 Max...it's my one regret

@webechubbin Год назад

Why was it a mistake? Are you gaming on it? Or downloading a lot of stuff?

@gmcenroe Год назад

@@webechubbin I do a lot of photography, photo editing as well as some music production. This can quickly consume disk space. I prefer on board storage instead of multiple external storage devices.

@dr_ice_mind Год назад

i am so crazy purchasing macbook pro 16 m2 pro . is my first time buying mac product paying 2800 any one can say should i returned ?

@ronbrooks6547 Год назад

That 16 inch though..... 👀 ! I Love Larger. Apple could've gave me a 20 inch but any screen over 14 inches is Amazing 👏 . Can't go wrong with either size. 16 for me but it cost too much but it's worth it because I can't stand Dell. I only like Apple computers and HP Computers. Dell seems to get The most corruption and it happens as soon as you let your computer security laps. I never have issues with Apple & HP especially the HP 2 in 1 that folds into a Tablet then back to a Laptop 💻.

@dnesebarber6441 Год назад

A Mac computer 😍

@JeanLucConnery Год назад

Everyone should wait for 3nm. No doubt.

@JanKosowski 9 месяцев назад

If the price difference is your concern, in 95% of the cases, 16 with M1 is a better choice than 14 with M2. The speed difference is very small, and both are overpowered for the majority. If you work on any of those machines, you forget about performance and focus on the work. M1 didn't get old at all.

@chellybub Год назад

OMG! Tim just hanging up... first no free Apple tech and now this!! Its a travesty

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Right! 😂

@tonielhelou7512 Год назад

M2 pro 16inch 1tb 16gb, best for the time being.

@Juan_EncarnadoIII 8 месяцев назад

im also planning to get this one, but I dont know if I should upgrade the ram to 32gb. im gonna use it for video editing. do you think 16gb ram is enough for this MBP?

@DanThomas1161 Год назад

Do you have European measurements when talking the weight of the MacBooks? Because we here in Europe never ever use US measurements, nor do I think we ever will. So it would be nice touch if you included European ones (including the rest of the non American/UK world), and spear us a hassle in looking it up ourselves (the audience) when enjoy watching your video. .

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

I’ll keep that in mind for future videos thanks for the suggestion

@whengrapespop5728 Год назад

The European measurements are in the video in parenthesis behind the US measurements at 1:00.

@lenajafaryassinosman2168 10 месяцев назад

Im team 14” there’s nothing somebody could say to change my mind. Lol 😆

@CJKnowsTECH 10 месяцев назад

😂

@jirikrajnak9047 Год назад

3.5 or 4.7 lbs? Forget it. Air yo.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Lmao...

@jirikrajnak9047 Год назад

@@CJKnowsTECH I'm not a "content creator", but a programmer by trade, who's writing software using a single threaded scripting language in a very lightweight IDE environment. I don't need a powerhouse - my ten year old MBP handles things adequatelly as is. The issue is that I need something smaller and more lightweight since I move around a lot. The old computer I own is, weight-wise, on the same level, give or take, as the current 16" MBP - which is quite noticeable, as well as uncomfortable and fatiguing to carry around. Does that make sense? Lol.

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Understood! Yup I get it and trust me I love the MacBook Air.

@tyron2854 Год назад

Bigger is better. I like them real big😉

@skurt2752 Год назад

I decided to buy the 14in. Checked out the 16in but man it was pretty dang big. I edit my videos and photos at work, so compact is big for me. Love my new MacBook pro M2 max

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

Nice choice. The 14” is a perfect size

@billdeng8558 Год назад

@@CJKnowsTECH I got M2 14" Max 32GB RAM 2TB SSD. I'm downsizing from 15" intel MacBook Pro - hopefully 14" doesn't feel too small for me

@CryptoNewbin Год назад

@@billdeng8558 how is it so far I’ll also be coming from a 15inch mbp from 2015

@billimono4480 Год назад

@@CryptoNewbin well you’ll definitely need some time to adjust to a smaller screen size if you are like me coming from a bigger machine. Tbh, the bigger the better in terms of viewing experience as always, but I found an edge use case, maybe this is just me - but I’m also using a studio display. The default font size on that 27” is about the same with that on a 14” MacBook Pro vs. 16” MacBook Pro will have a bigger font size than the monitor and proportion wise the 14” also makes the 27” seems significant enough as a main display…if you go with the 16”, this combination just looks a bit weird, out of proportion in a way. That’s kinda what convinced me to try sticking with it for longer and see how I like it

@CryptoNewbin Год назад

@@billimono4480 update! So I went to the Apple Store at Bluewater (I’m from London) and I had a look at at 13”, 14”, and 16” MacBook Pro ranges and my goodness, that 16” inch was way too heavy, and I’m very strong. I’ll be doing a lot of video editing and music production so I opened up garage band and iMovie just to see how it would feel on all 3 (personally I edit on FCP and produce on Logic Pro) and the 14” has the best of both worlds, portability and good size screen. I purchased the 14” with upgraded M2 pro 12-core CPU and 1TB SSD. I had to stick with the base 16GB RAM because my money is a bit tight plus I needed to get the softwares too lol. I’m very glad and happy with my purchase and I gotta say thanks because your original comment was literally what I was looking for to find out if 14” screen size is any good for a creative person. 👍🏿

@akin242002 Год назад

RU-vid must pay well because these are expensive laptops, and you keep getting new MacBooks. Within the past 3 years, you have: M1 MacBook Pro 16-inch $3,000 M2 Macbook Air $1,600 M2 Macbook Pro 14-inch $2,400

@CJKnowsTECH Год назад

I mean I don’t keep every single thing I review…

@imbrion7981 Год назад

thats weird for you to check somebody pockets

@akin242002 Год назад

@@imbrion7981 Well I used to do it as a profession helping companies get the most cost effectiveness out of their employee benefits. Some habits never stop.

@imbrion7981 Год назад

@@akin242002 well stop thats weird