Which is better and how did we get here? 

The huge advantage of the SolarEdge system is that the optimisers on the back of each panel send DC power to the house where it can go directly to a DC coupled battery without any conversion losses. This power going to the battery is on top of the inverter's limit as it does not go through the inverter. Power direct from the panels could also be used by the new DC to DC car chargers hitting the market. These car chargers avoid Enphase's conversion from the panels DC power to AC by the microinverters and then back to DC by the car charger in the EV. DC to DC car charging not only allows more efficient charging but a higher rate as an EV's DC charging rate is much higher than its AC charging rate (250 kW compared to 11 kW for my Tesla M3).

Solar edge is way cheaper. Emphase for a larger system is like double the price

Love my Enphase Micro inverters on my panels. Monitor each panel with my Tesla power wall.

Took me to the end to realise it was just a sales pitch for Enphase.

We happen to have SE, but it was put in by the previous homeowner in 2014, so I have no insight as to what led him to make that decision back in the day. If I were putting in new right now, who knows what I would end up getting. I suppose if our 2014-vintage inverter croaked tomorrow, I might be inclined to go with a replacement SE inverter as long as the optimizers were still compatible. We did have one issue that I discovered after we bought the house - something was wrong with one of the strings resulting in a 60% drop in overall output. The previous homeowner hadn't noticed, but the installer was still around and was able to come out and make a repair to get the thing up and going again. I don't recall what had failed - might have been an optimizer. But that's the only service issue that we have had.

Also if you are DIY, enphase is super easy. I paid for a small 4kwh system and I’m going to add another 16kwh myself. Before my purchase, I had several calls to enphase and they were very quick to answer my calls.

Do you have any information/experience on higher latitude locations and Enphase Vs SolarEdge?

Excellent video! I’m on the super informative and very well thought out. Thank you

Is there some type of pamphlet that show how the end phase app works and what all the icons mean

This guy is so deep inside enphase pockets it’s hard for him to recognize it himself. It’s not to bash one company but to enlighten you yeah right.

Give SMA (with rsd's if roof mounted)some more credit, best solution if one 1 or two roof faces

What is the efficency comparrision between solaredge and enphase system with a battery. I have read that AC charging maybe less efficient?

I only watched for the mustache. Already have enphase. Love it.

My question is ...if you have all ready inverter can you connect this micro inverters as an extra power on your grid???? And where you connect all this power 240v (in one electric plug of your house )?? Or ( on your ac input of your inverter) ?? Thanks for your video ..

Thank You from Nebraska!

In Europe: Enphase doesn't answer emails with product questions. Bad. Also, no visible solution diagrams showing 3-phase full house support, only re-iterating "we do not support whole house backup" in all manuals and talking only about 1-phase setups. Depending on internet access for setup and run - what happens when the net falls down in a power outage in the area? Which happens a lot around here. Would have loved a functional iq8 system with the above mentioned install support but doesn't seem to happening atleast in the EU. Also, having converted already on the roof to AC will make charging batteries way less effective because you have to convert BACK to DC to do that. I do not have shade on my panels so that is not an issue for me.

What is the failure rate of the Enphase micro-inverters? How are they holding up to the heat? You mentioned California, how about the desert heat in Arizona?

We went with Enphase with two large battery banks and the Enphase microinverters. The system is incredible, with out 15 kWh panels. We could easily go totally go off grid as we also have a 22KW generator.

Can you address the fact that new panels are 400 to 500 watts but emphase is limited to 250 watts. What type of inverters are used for the new panels?

Recent comparison between string and Micro inverters showed only a 1-3% improvement in output with micro's in real world tests. Plus Enphase inverters put 20% additional cost on the installation costs. We will stick with string inverters as most of our customers want to reduce the initial costs.

A local installer included an SMA inverter in the quote I got. What's worse about SMA?

I got solaredge. And I love it app very Ez to use

Dale, how’s the supply on the iQ8 micro inverter’s?

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A solaredge devia pagar os caras pra fazerem esse tipo de marketing no Brasil. Será que a enphase vai pagar?

Do you have any company in Georgia recommend

By 600 volt panels do you mean the array? I mean, because 98% or more of the panels (modules) are no more than 43 to maybe 50 something volts at standard test conditions.

You asked for ideas. Full Load Amps vs (not sure if I know term) "Steady State Amps". My fridge FLA is 11.6A (1400W) but monitoring the Watts used for 2 weeks shows 634W spikes every other day & very frequent 100W plateaus. If you log every load you want to back up during a power outage, this let's you use a much smaller backup source. You can also focus your budget on pure sine wave instead of noisy (but less expensive) gas generator. Soon you'll be able to plug in an EV to the inverter & have 3.6 to 9+kWh available V2L. Also, sealing air leaks can lower your home's energy needs more than increasing insulation & both are best.

What about clipping with the enphase microinverters?

Regarding your comments on high failure rates, "most new products like this do". You don't mention that Enphase was one of these. I speak from personal experience on this.

Enphase has better customer service, less system failure and a standard 25 year warranty. SE is 12 years with a extended warranty to get to the 25….

Do you have Enphase micro-inverters failure rate per module?

Great explanation. Even my kids understood it! Many thanks :)

Just eight minutes in and am learning a lot from this great presentation.

If solar installers base there contracts on price per Kilowatt, then at least 1 Year production should meet production estimates, or Consumers are being shorted , My system first year was 8% short for what I payed for , I questioned the installer before installation location , that my estimates were that we wouldn’t meet the minimums … Read your contact before signing , make the installers guarantee a First year production or don’t sign …

Is monitoring the output of Enphase inverters free? Or do you have to pay Envoy for that service? You see I don't want to add to my bills. I want to eliminate them. That is why I am considering solar to reduce my bills. From everything I researched on the Envoy requirement for inverter service it's expensive and compromises my wifi security when used.

Clipping link?

I live in Florida and we have cheap electric rates from FPL. .11 kwh

the problem we have in the netherlands is that the goverment is going to reduce the output of systems in piek hours to 50-70% of max because our grid is full... how enphase micro inverters can help with this ?

My installer is offering IQ7A, should I request IQ8? Thanks

I need to chime in here. First off I’ll agree with many things in this video if you can only roof mount your solar. However if you have land where you can ground mount panels you need to go in that direction and use a central inverter. Optimizers are a waste of money if you can angle your panels south and add correct latitude pitch. Personally I have used Fronius and now have two 7.7 SMA inverters. I have made over 120kwh a day with my grid tie ground mounts. My first system is 12 years old and producing over 90% and my newest is bi-facial and gaining about 15% with the same 8kw of panels. Ground mounts also have the advantage of cooler temperatures and the ability to easily clean. If you have an unshaded south roof I’d still use a central inverter. Only partially shaded roofs or multiple pitches can benefit with Enphase. Just my 2 cents, but show me anyone that makes my power on 16kw of panels.

I have been told the Enphase product line the new LG ~425 watt panels in the California desert. The clipping is so bad install companies will decrease their production guarantees. True? If not what Enphase model would work?

Great video.....retired from Bechtel.

Thanks for the info. It consoles me a bit on my forthcoming system that is through a foundation I just found out I give money to. So get what they are installing all over the world. And will Beta test newer aspects of it as they switch things out. I did spec what I am solely looking to use for battery back up and that the new Franklin System that can be put on anything, with anything for whatever reason for the battery solution for me and my neighbors. But in researching, they all have Enphase back ends, and what you said in your this video about the reporting is only partially right. They may show you some neat stuff in the app no one else does. Which was years ago, most everyone has a tricked out app these days. But when it comes time to gleaning or getting straight info to see what your numbers are, you can't. Unless you spend hours scrubbing the production graph, copying the results and then doing a ton of math. Or use the Excel sheet I made up. What I feel they have is a pacification for the lack in this area and that's the "Currency Equivalent" where 1kWh = $1 or whatever values you put in it. Then they show, and I'm looking at my neighbors system right now, 15.6kWh Solar Produced : 13 Nights with a 100 watt light bulb; 3 Days of running a Refrigerator OR 0 Trees Saved. It takes 45kWh to save a Tree. Now what kind of tree? A newly planted sapling or Giant Redwood? It even says on a couple pages in the mobile "enlighten" app: "NOTE: The reported currency value is indicative. Taxes, fees, tiered, demand, or time of use pricing is not considered." Then why the new special meters in order to PTO. Just EVERYTHING we want to know!!! Now I call that a major fail in the overall purpose of what is going on. An Architect neighbor that has Enphase and i agree that they may be hiding something, BUT think it would be expected and REALLY GREAT if you could input all those values in and get a numbers that you can use for comparison, checking your energy bill and holding them accountable for what they profess you are getting. As far as it goes now, "it's all conjecture!" And all the rest of your "PRO" list is superfluous.

Enphase has little or no suppliers in my area in Australia

Rather than running through all the Enphase talking points, a summary side by side comparison would have been useful. I have had 2 SE systems in Bermuda and they work very well for our climate, humidity and saline air.

If both systems work well and are efficient then you can really go either way... A cost comparison would have been nice...especially for a larger system.

Firstly, great video. Please dial down the special effect noises though. This isn't an action clip! Even though pleasant noise of 'request a quote' seem to be dialed up to 11. Can you use more than 7.6KW of inverters in California? I like oversizing SolarEdge to the max because the AC limit is so low, but panels are so cheap. I can get APS microinverters for about half the price of Enphase, and with four inverters per panel the install is a little better/faster too.

The new enphase microinversters no longer need their gateway?

Great information. I found the sound effects to be annoying and distracting though.

Enecsys did already had micro inverters in combination with a gateway. They went bankrupt!

Waiting for the Enphase iq8

In UK and Europe SOLAR EDGE offers no gateway.

Pretty much the same??? What about efficiency differences? Also a DC coupled battery round trip.is more efficient than AC coupled because there is always a loss when you go from DC to AC to charge the battery. I also learned from the Tesla webpage how the power wall 2 works when the grid goes down while the sun is shining and the battery is full. The Tesla Powerwall 2 doesn't communicate with the rest of the system but they have a cheap trick up their sleeves. The batterie's internal inverter switches to 66 hertz to force your micro inverters to completely shut down if the house is not using all the power generated by the solar cells because the battery does not communicate with the system and it needs to prevent overcharging. If I understand correctly in a grid down situation with a full battery you can't use the power from your array until the battery discharges a bit and then it goes back to 60 hertz to allow your micro inverters to produce power. This repeats over and over with small discharge/charge cycles. So when you need it most your solar power generation is throttled by the battery if your house is not using enough power. Tesla has moved to an DC coupled system with the power wall 2 + because DC is the better solution. Most solar sales companies just try to sell you what they have in stock.

Oh, you are missing many things here - BIG TIME! I own an Enphase system, and your NOT telling people that the system does NOT have a full 25 year warranty. The inverters are 25 year, but ONLY warranted for the part, NOT the labor! The Envoy only has a 5 year warranty and currently 700 bucks to replace. The IQ controller is over 1700 for replacement and is only warranted for 10 years. MIND YOU this does not include LABOR! ALL batteries are NOT 25 year warranted, but 10 year with a Guarantee of holding at least 70% at the end of that 10 years. NOW, lets get in to the real info on Solar Edge. I sell solar edge systems, own my own Enphase system, and with what I know now, I would get the Solar Edge system if I had to do it over again. The Enphase micro inverter loses 3% immediately on the roof. ANY time there is a conversion, there is loss! Then when it gets to the battery it converts again! Another 3% loss. ALL batteries are DC, and in Solar Edge systems, DC power goes straight to the battery with NO conversions, so much more power is kept. Now that they have their own brand energy bank, a 10KW battery with a 94.5% efficiency rating, It far better gathers in and stores power and better outputs that power than the Enphase system. With the energy hub inverter, it's plug and play with an adapter to charge an electric vehicle, which Enphase doesn't have yet, but here is the most important part. The power goes fully DC all the way to the car, NO conversions, so better and more power for your electric vehicle also if you have or are planning to get one. The energy hub only converts your DC power to AC for the home at the inverter from the solar panels and the batteries if you have them. NOW, something else extremely important. Our Solar Edge systems I sell are FULLY warranted for 25 years, parts AND labor, and a 10 year install warranty on the roof and the same battery warranty before mentioned. One thing a customer doesn't want to worry about is any expenses after install of their system, and we are the front of the line to take care of our customers. Yes, the power coming down AC has been bragged up as safer and better, but reality is cable shielding especially in this great day of technology protects the DC current so there aren't really any problems, and generates more power. I have compared notes on systems on Solar Edge's site that has publicly shared solar grids and have noted systems that we have installed that are a little smaller than mine whips my tail on my Enphase system, especially with the REC panels. I have LG's and the REC Alpha panels will generate far better in low sunlight than mine will, which is a recommended panel I would like to include for anyone thinking of going solar. I wish to help anyone thinking about going solar to know the facts! In the entire scope of things, Solar Edge wins!

How about some how-tos for us DIYers.

Businesses tend to push their most profitable mrgin. I have a suspicion Enphase is using bak end incentives

Heck a lot reasons to get Enphase products!!! Kudos!

Most solar companies get a better buy on equipment form Enphase if they use them as there primary inverter company. That will make what you tell a consumer bias information. Solar Edge is not a 10% used product in the world today. Enphase reps love telling people SE is a string inverter and not a central inverter, so there is still a lot false info out there.

7:00 6 of one, half dozen of the other. If you convert high voltage to 110v at the panel, you don't have high voltage anymore but you DO have high amperage. High amperage AC is way more dangerous than high voltage/low amperage DC. I'm not convinced by anyone claiming converting from DC to AC on the roof is of any benefit. It's not the voltage that kills you, it's the amperage and the exact same argument you made about high voltage on your roof can be made about high current AC on the roof too.

enphase infomercials again here

Huawei hybrid inverter is the best. It shut down 0.5 second

I'm in Illinois and comparing companies and their standard products to do a solar panel installation on my garage roof. One of my local solar companies uses Solar Edge exclusively and their solar panels DO NOT HAVE MICROINVERTERS. They use a a single inverter because they say it is less problematic... Videos that I have viewed have mixed opinions about MICROINVERTERS on each solar panel versus a single inverter set up. Both options seem to have pluses and minuses. So, I'm still unsure which set up will be best. ANY SOLID ADVICE ???

you lost me at about 4:45 when you claimed that most solar panels generate about 600V DC EACH.......Most solar ARRAYS maybe...

Clipping over 10% is not acceptable, Enphase needs to produce inverters that match the panel Watt output. there is no excuse to throw away energy collected. Keeping up with panel wattage improvements is the challenge. No excuses.

WTF! "most solar panels produce about 600 volts each"! Better go back to school dude!

Solar edge with optimizers is hands down the best, and newer!!!!!! Also I want options with battery storage! I want a sonnen battery I do NOT want an enphase battery. Why would enphase not allow my battery choice like solar edge does? BATTERIES ARE THE FUTRUE AND SOLAR EDGE IS BETTER, YOU SAY ENPHASE CUZ YOU SELL IN CALI WHERE THERE IS STILL NET METER!! It’s in Forbes about the VPP and sonnen and solar edge allows ppl to do the VPP and have free will over which battery you want! No to micro inverters come on dude……………………

Apsystems instead of enphase!

Enphase gets stupid expensive as you go over 11kW. They absolutely can fail and take out everything- in reference to the “no single point of failure”. It’s cool technology and great software tho. You left out Delta sting inverters. Or now Telsa has the powerwall+ inverter/battery

I guess you didn't talk about how Enphase almost went out of business and cut 30% of their employees years ago.

A single panel does NOT produce 600V are you out for your mind?

600 v per panel? What are you smoking? It's typically between 40 and 50 v per panel and 300 to 440 w per panel. Furthermore, you never hear about these installers talk about only needing shading optimization in situations where shading is drastically different among panels. Single panels already deal with shading well on their own and that performance loss cannot be recovered by optimization. If panels are grouped appropriately, optimization is already done. Yet, they almost always want to sell one of these two systems which cost more because of the "optimization" technology. I wish more installers were just honest.

most of your scripted enphase talking points are inaccurate... ac combiner/envoy is 5 year warranty, not 25... many others but this looks like a paid gig anyways

Solar edge had used inferior ineffective and inefficient equipment installed on our home

Do your research before you hire one of this clowns

Solaredge stock is over priced

Ok, definitely not gonna subscribe lol "BUY ENPHASE!"

Please unplug your shirt for the next video :-)

Neither! Get a string inverter!!!

Meh Solar edge is fine, that is a fanboi thing. Stop overselling a company

What panel produces 600v ? Please? You just lost me! Unless you ment to say watts?