I just picked up the M type 240 and I’m glad that’s the one I went with! Better ISO performance than the M9 and the images are outstanding. And I picked up the Olympus VF-2 for waaaaay less money than the EVF Leica makes. It’s really nice to have when shooting my 50mm f1.5 and my 90mm. If you go for a 10 or 10R consider waiting because the M11 is rumored to be announced VERY SOON and used prices might go down a bit. I’m making a video with the Leica M vs M6 right now, coming to a RU-vid near you.
If the M9 has had it’s sensor replaced by Leica that couldn’t be a problem anymore. A other thing to keep in mind is the M9 is a noise camera , after every photo the engine the drives the shutter makes quite a racket.
Dude, go for a Fujifilm X-Pro 3 or an X-T 3/4 - Yes a cropped sensor but just think about all those vintage lenses you can adapt on them combined with the X-Trans sensor as well as the sensor colour array which is different from many of the mainstream camera manufacturers. Plus you get all those Fuji film simulations which when you combine that with a vintage lens you get some really cool results.
I'm really waiting for Fuji's X-H2 to drop, it should finally have the 3 key elements I've been waiting for from Fuji - IBIS, High Resolution & more third party lenses now that Fuji have opened up their lens mount.
I recently sold off all my Film Cams and got an M10. I discovered after about 4 years of using film only that it was the shoot experience that I valued the most. The M10 puts me in the same state of mind when out making pictures. I have the screen turned off for the most part. The M10 feels much like my old M6 in terms of thickness .. just with a much better / brighter finder.
I have been using my Leica m7 for years and recently I just bought a m9. After trying a few days, I totally love it especially the whole experience is very similar to a Leica film camera. Colour is definitely different than CMOS. A few things you have to think about before coping one: 1. Only get the CCD sensor replaced one (CCD15/16 will be fine). 2. The LCD screen isn’t too helpful since it was a 2009 camera, but since you are already used to shoot film camera, the screen won’t be an issue. 3. SD card: make sure you use a smaller volume SD card with lower speed (I use 16GB 48m/s), I tried using high speed big volume SD card and my camera jammed. Other than these, I think go are good to go with M9.
I totally agree with your alter ego. Get any camera but a Leica. It is all hype. My feeling is that Leica owners have to justify paying more for a camera because they know in their heart they have been conned. The photos aren't any better, nor mechanically, nor lens wise. In regards to film cameras you really can't tell any difference between the photos of a great vintage camera like a Zeiss Ikon, Exakta, Nikon, Voigtlander, Canon and a Leica. I think we need to start a photographer support group for all the members of the Leica cult who want to leave the cult! BTW THERE IS NO LEICA "LOOK" to Leica photos that sets Leica photos apart. That is just more hype. Repeat after me - "Leicas aren't any better than any other cameras, Leicas aren't any better than any other cameras, Leicas aren't any better, Leicas aren't any better than any other cameras!!!!" Now do that at least 10 times a day and you may begin to free yourself from the Leica cult!
Best advice I can give you: go take a look on flickr on photos taken with those models. I had a itch for Leica M9 when I heard about the CCD sensors and it's film-like rendering. Spent hours on Flickr, comparing photos and realized, at least to my eyes, that it was bullocks, and saved tons of money. I will say that the Leica lenses do render with more microcontrast then say a Fuji or Sony glass. Also the M9 is known to have sensor issues (delaminating)
Hey Ribsy :) if you want the film experience in a digital body id go for the Leica M-D (262) or the M10D. if you want files that look more like film and if you do not care about high iso, go for the M8 or M9. ( for the M9 go for a camera thats sensor has already been replaced by leica ) If you want a modern sensor, high iso performance and a crisp screen, go for the M10
Yo Ribsy, another way to go is get a film Leica body with a Leica lens. You’d be getting amazing image quality. The optics are as important or sometimes more important than the digital sensor. A film Leica would save you money to spend on Leica glass. And you know you want to keep on shooting film !
Get a fuji x100v: film sims, x trans gives you a great grain structure via fuji raw studio software. Dr400 dynamic range gives you film like hilight retention. Still get a leica… m10R. But get a fuji x100v
Don’t get lost down the rabbit hole Ribsy - buy an M-P and put your money into lenses. Both bought used, I’ve just traded my M-P 240 on a M10 - both 24MP sensors. The M-P produces outstanding files but you need great lenses as well. Not all mine are Leica but that’s where you should put your money. When I bought my used M-P I got a new 35mm summicron (now worth more than the camera) and then picked up others off eBay. The rangefinder thing is great, but if you are digital as well you need to budget for an EVF. The Olympus EVF for the M240s is not worse than the Fuji x-pro I traded but if you want to see the scene in B&W or use a lens less than 28mm or more than 50mm you will want one. Biggest problem - the dot. If you buy a M-P 240 it doesn’t have a Leica red dot on the front, problem solved, but the earlier M-240 and the M10 do - so you will need to have an existential conversation with yourself about taping over your dot…
Damn, you just opened a can of worms for all the m9 haters. I love the m9. Sensor corrosion issues aside (I assume you’d buy one with the most recent sensor replacement), in every way it’s the most film-like digital Leica. The m240 is the best value of the three, and while the video it offers is not objectively great I love shooting little videos on it with ltm and m-mount lenses on a native body.
I recently sold my M6TTL. I wasn't using it that much because of the raise in film and processing costs. I decided to buy a M10p and honestly I'm in love. It feels exactly the same as the M6, but even quicker. I decided to get the M10p because I mostly do street photography and the silent shutter felt like an advantage
@@ribsy sorry but not for me… for the price of the Leica combo (body+ lenses) how much miles of film you can buy and develop ? And Your future digital Leica will be dead before you shoot all the film you can buy with that money… But you want it, ok it’s your choice and your money so make yourself happy 😉 But for me as a subscriber to your channel, I’ll unsubscribe right now, I was here for the analog process in the beginning but you slowly shifting toward somethings I’m not interested in, so i’ll wish you the best for the future and just go away
M8 - Under certain lighting conditions, need to use an IR/Cut filter or blacks will look purple! M9 - sensor corrosion issue that is no longer repairable if it happens. M-E (original version [type 220, I think]) is basically an M9 (haven’t heard if original M-Es also experience the sensor corrosion issue or not). M240 - has option to add Olympus EVF (this point alone makes the M240 end up on my short list). M-E (2nd version) - basically a rebadged M240 but was slightly cheaper in price, but I don’t think many of them are out there). M262 - newer than the M240 and I think the shutter is supposed to be quieter, but drops the EVF option and drops video. M10 - buy it if you can afford to. I’m on the fence myself right now, but leaning towards either the M240 or M262. Then go with any of the newer Voigtlander lenses if budget is a concern.
I have an M9 and I would recommend against it if you can get an M10. The m9 is nice enough, but the camera is noisy and slow (I can shoot more frames per second with my film m lol). The CCD colors are a myth, it looks great in certain situations, but you can get the same colors in post with the m10. Also, the m9 can have some really magenta blotchy skin (in certain situations) that is very hard to fix in post.
No worries, it's still a camera I am going to keep, since I don't have enough reason to upgrade. @Ribsy If you are looking for that film experience in a digital camera, how about the Leica M-D? It's based on the m-240, so somewhat more modern than the M-9. It's a beautiful camera and there is no screen.
Made the same decision. I actually had an M8 and never used it. Didn‘t feel like the M6 by any means. And then there‘s the sound… but loved the pictures. A couple of months ago I got curious and asked a fried if I can try his M10. It was actually a joke. Wasn‘t considering on getting one… but as I had it it blew me away. It just felt like the M6. Also I wasn‘t bummed when I used it instead of film. I chose the m10-p because the sensor is „younger“ and if I want (or have to resell because of cash need), it‘ll keep the price better… and I don‘t regret it. The sound is amazing. And shooting kids and people that react with noise, they don‘t notice it… And the difference in look. Between M8 and M10. Seriously, I don‘t quite see it. Both look beautiful in my opinion. The feeling of the camera though is quite drastically different. Guess it just depends what you use it for. It doesn‘t replace the „imperfections“ of pushed HP5 that was developed sloppy and has some weird marks on it… 😅🤣
Homie homie homie.. please talk to me about this 😅 But mainly I wanna say you should watch my M10 review I just shot in Tokyo. It wont come out for awhile but I think you would commit to the M10 after watching it. But in short.. I just wanna know, are you going to shoot at night? If so you should get the M10. Simple as that. But you are in the right mindset with everything you said. Especially getting your hands on them before you buy. They are expensive so definitely get hands on experience first.
A good starting point with Leica for you is the CL. It came out the same year as the M10. It's an APS-C 24MP digital mirrorless with an L mount. You can start with a couple Voigtlander M mount lenses adapted to L and go from there. Look at the Voigtlander 21mm Color Skopar f4 and the NOKTON 40mm f1.4. Gives you a good wide-angle and portrait FOV to work with as you start. Now that I've got that out of the way, I'm gonna say forgo Leica digital cameras altogether if you're looking for a filmic look from a digital mirrorless. For that, go with a Fujifilm camera like the X-pro3 and configure it with a few FujiX Weekly film recipes that you can use at any time on your camera. You can adapt pretty much any manual lens out there to this camera including the lenses you already use on your Canon P and Canon 7. You can't go wrong with either of the options I've suggested. Happy hunting.
I got into Leica with an old Leicaflex and saw the results of using Leica lenses. I put my toe in the water, digitally, with a leica D Lux 5, which is cheap, 5mp, but superb shot in black and white and then made the leap to an M8. I use 2nd hand older lenses and voightlander lenses, all of which are good. The 10mp M8 is a nice camera to use, a bit of a noisy shutter and slightly slow, but the images, again in black and white are really good and very film like, with that Leica look that is contrasty and a bit dreamy in some respects. Rather than the M9, why not look at a 2nd hand SL using M lenses - full frame etc, this looks to me like the perfect hybrid between film and digital.
I went with the M10. It is a bit cheaper now that the M10R is out and is probably going down a little more when the M11 arrives. I held the M240 in my hands and didn't like it. It's a bit thicker and I really didn't care for that. The M10 is the exact same size as an M6 for example. If you can, go to a Leica dealer and have a look at them. It's a lot of money and you should really be sure on which model to spend it. The M9 is supposed to have this great sensor, but it does have its problems. It's really old technology (meaning slow and a little less intuitive than the M240 or M10). You need to make sure that the sensor has been replaced, otherwise you're in big trouble. My first lens was the Voigtländer 35mm 1.4 (thanks Matt Day for the recommendation) and I added the 50mm Leica Summicron. The Leica lens is definitely better, but I still like the look of the Voigtländer, too.
The Fuji are great cameras but can't compete with full frame detail... I've tried the xt3 and xt30, they give a great shooting experience... And have fine color files... But I prefer the black and white files I get from my old Nikon D800...
If you are looking for a digital camera with a film vibe go for a Fuji from the X-Series. Their XTrans sensor is so much better than a CMOS Fuji has never used. And their film styles give you the film look in your pics. If I ever would buy any Leica I would definitely go for a film camera.
They’re all great options. Having had all three cameras, Id say either the M9 or the m10. The M9 is slow deliberate and mimicks the film look and has amazing BW conversion powers, but feels like a prototype from Leica in the slow operation and painful lcd. The M10 is polished, modern and has amazing dynamic range and color integrity. Over all, the images with the M10 look darker with less luminosity in the files but have way color accuracy and the live view is actually usable with the lowest lag time.
Been shooting with the M6, and earlier in the year, picked up an M9 with replaced sensor (CCD:15) to continue the RF experience into digital. Keep in mind the M9 is a slow performer, can lock up while writing to card, requires patience and suits a slower pace of shooting. The screen is rubbish which is great for naturally reducing chimping. Other than that, I'm very happy with the overall experience that it provides for me and the raw files are great to work with. It's a solid camera as you'd expect an M to be and the shutter sound is lovely in my opinion but some people hates it as it's loud. I shoot to relax and not have to worry about the money shot. I'd grab my fuji kit if I need to be shooting fast although tbh I have not touched my fuji gear much this year. Such a Leica snob I am 😂
Depends on your budget really. Pricewise it goes M240, M-P(240), M9, M10. I wouldn't buy an M9 without documented proof the sensor was replaced with the sensor that fixed the corrosion issue (the first sensors they replaced were with the same type and could corrode as well). I think you want CCD ID 15. I was contemplating the same thing but ended up buying a user M10-P with some body wear.
I have zero first hand experience with any digital Leica so I don't have any useful opinion on which might be better or worse. But I do have a couple of thoughts that, hopefully, can help you maybe clarify your choices a bit. There are quite a few comments already reading "Leicas are so expensive, you can get this other camera for much less and that other camera will make just as good a photograph." Well, maybe. Or maybe not. And all those are completely missing the point I think: you said you want a Leica. So, absolutely get one. If you can actually handle and use each of the ones you're thinking about it may become very clear which one suits you best. It might be a good idea to rent examples of each if possible. Also: For me it seems a bit odd to buy any digital camera with the intent or idea or hope that it will produce "film like" images. If you want that look and experience it makes better sense to me to just buy a film camera. I can very occasionally tell a film photo apart from a digital photo when I'm looking at them in person, on line everything is digital by the time I see it so about 99% of the eternal film vs digital debates make little sense to me. And, if any photograph is better or worse ONLY because it was made with one or the other medium, I think the image isn't offering very much to begin with. When I am taking photos what gear I am using is important but when I am viewing photographs the gear choices that were made in creating the work really do not matter to me. Trying to keep that in mind when I am showing other people my photos is helping me get better at making photos. Good hunting for your Leica!
😂🤣 you can buy five cameras with that money and not shoot them all or one good camera that you can actually use. I prefer the m10 for dynamic range and size. Other than they are extremely similar. But mainly your choosing which sensor system you want. Also voigtlanders recent lenses go hard! Lastly I will say with what your saying about it being a limited camera. Always come back to that mindset that it’s built to feel like a old “digital” film camera. Not a Fuji or canon with tons of features. Looking forward to your choice!!
Only thing about buying a used digital Leica is that if you ever have any issues that require repair you pretty much have no option outside of sending it to Leica to be serviced. Their turnaround time is long and it’s usually cheaper to buy different camera than to have it fixed.
I love the M240, it's a really powerful camera. The files are contrasty and punchy (leica look), better than the M10 (I bought both and sell the M10). And if you like B&W photography, the M10mono is just so amazing but really pricy for sure (the files are so smooth and good) . Good look for finding the one that fits your need. I just go back to film so use my M240 and M10M less, but they are so awesome too, in a different way (easier than film). Have a great evening
Yes I find that too. The m240 files are a hybrid between the m10 and M9, requiring less post processing than the m10. And the files just look “brighter” and more luminous at the expense of a little dynamic range loss and less flexibility in the color tweaking.
I have been hearing this rumor for the past few years. I wouldn't hold off a purchase to wait for it because, we don't know if/when it will happen and also when it finally does it will be very expensive. Much better value on the used market and you can shoot these cameras right now.
I shot with an M9 once. It was . . .OK. The images needed some work, but it wasn't a bad camera. I think I just had really high expectations for it. You probably shouldn't take my advice on it, though. By daily driver is a button rewind M2, so I prefer simple, direct, and mechanical.
it depends. The M9 is fantastic but has serious ISO issues. Even at ISO 160 it has color noise in highlights and shadows. It doesn’t have liveview nor can use EVF Said that, it would be my choice. The color rendering is spectacular. If you want something simpler, an M10 or M10r. Still great color and no issues in the ISO department.
M9 Sensor is too big of a risk. Once it corrodes (and it will) that’s it. M240 is probably best bang for the buck, but the M10 is more “modern”. It eats batteries though, especially with live view. That said, love my M10.
Hi Ribsy, i have had the pleasure of using all of these and I would definitely say M10. For me it feels the most like an M4/M6 in the hand (thinner body) and it's just a better digital camera. I would be tempted to say M9 for the reasons you give but the corroded sensor issue is such a risk.
For me, the extra price of the M10 is worth it over the M240. Cleaner high ISO's, more dynamic range, smaller body, touch screen, less buttons. That being said, I do believe that the M240 is the best Digital Leica for your dollar nowadays. The M9, if you find one with a repaired sensor, isn't that much less, and often the same price as, the M240. As for the M8, not a fan of the crop, and the CCD 'look' is just due to less dynamic range in my opinion; As a result images come out less flat. People do fantastic work with all of them however, and I suspect you would as well. 🙂
I have film Leicas, but don't really have experience with digitals, but just based on what i've read and seen, I think almost any M is fine, but If you can afford an M10, i'd get that one based on the thickness of it alone, and it being the most recent M is a good reason as well since it would theoretically last longer. You also don't have to worry about a corroded sensor. I played with an M10 in the Leica store and it felt just like my M6, but a little heavier.. I also played around with the M240, which is thicker like the M9 and it just felt so weird... of course, you said this is your first Leica, so you might not notice the difference in the thickness, or realistically, it probably wouldn't bother most people anyway. I'd personally avoid the M8 because of the crop sensor, although people that use it and don't mind the sensor size seem to love the way the sensor renders. I have an X-Pro2 and one of the things that sucks about adapting my Leica lenses to it is that I don't really enjoy using my 50mm lenses on it, (50mm is my fave) and am stuck using the single 35mm that I own to get the equivalent. That's not much of a problem in and of itself, my M-mount 35 is a Voigtlander Nokton classic and I like the images from it, but I have a 50 Summicron and a Canon 50 1.4 and I love the rendering on both, and want to use them, but I don't like the 75mm focal length equivalent that you get on the crop. As far as lenses, you have lenses for your Canon RF. They'll work with an adapter, at least to start with till you want more.. hah
The LCD screen on my M9 is very outdated, so unless you really like to have its CCD sensor (replaced of course), a M240 is a better choice, especially if you can find the ME which has an improved buffer. If budget allows, get the M10 which matches well with the more modern Leica lenses. If not for the rangefinder experience of the M series, you can try the Q with its fixed 28 mm Summilux lens which is basically an upgraded point and shoot camera good for traveling.
@@ribsy Good choice. I got one too. No need to waste time on checking images after shooting. It forces you to learn fast on mastering the focusing skill with the rangefinder. Save on battery usage.
If you want the film look on digital for a 10th of the price, go for the Nikon D40x. It might not have the experience like Leica, but damn it’s a close match for the film look.
First...do try to rent or borrow some Leica digital bodies to see what you like. My first Leica I got last year, the M10 Monochrom. I'm still in love, it goes everywhere with me. My thoughts are, digital...they lose value quicker over time that film ones did, the tech just changes too fast. I hear rumors that the M11 may still come out before EOY. If you can wait, I'd say wait and let that release and let the prices drop on older models (even the M10-R). Research sensor "ROT" on the M8/M9 CCD's. Sure they would be fun, but I got scared from these, as the sensors literally 'rot'...and if you get one that wasn't fixed, it could be an pricey brick tomorrow. With all that said, since digital cameras do not have the shelf life older cameras did with tech moving so fast, yes even for Leica...I'd get the newest one I could afford. I might suggest you look into even the Q2 cameras. Yes, fixed lens, BUT, auto focus, but you still get rangefinder experience and that 28mm lens is awesome...you are basically getting the body and lens for the price of the lens. And, I would say, give some consideration to the Monochrom Leica's....either the M10 or the Q2 Monochrom. Without a bayer array for color, you get amazing tonality, to me it is almost medium format in its look. These are also "see in the dark" monsters...look on RU-vid, they beat out all over cameras they compare to in very low light comparisons. And as for lenses...I started with Voigtlander...and I've been so impressed, unless I score a hidden deal on a Leica lens, I"m not really lusting after any right now. I have the Ultron v2 25mm, the APO 50mm and the 75mm 1.5 Voigtlander lenses. I"ve also had a BLAST adapting other lenses to the M10M....the Russian Jupiter 9 85mm, the swirly bokeh of the Helios 44-2 lens, and most recently a huge deal scored on the Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f/2.8 II with the amazingly unique bubble bokeh. All easily adaptable and fun to shoot with manually with a visoflex EVF.... Anyway, I hope this helps. I only went with Leica due to the M10M being so unique. But once I got it, I've fallen in love with the little rangefinder...it is a blast. I got the RRS full L-Plate set so that it now works seamlessly with my arca Swiss tripod mounts, etc. Ok, I"m rambling, but I hope this helps some....very much looking forward to hearing what you end up with. I'd say if you don't have to change lenses, seriously consider the Q2 models, but if going for interchangeable lenses....go as much M10 as you can afford. And again, mind you, you might wait at least a couple months to see if the M11 drops and pricing adjusts on older models.
M9 with replaced sensor is great, fantastic rich colors. But it's only usable up to max ISO 640, above it you get a lot of noise. It's no longer possible to have old corroded sensors replaced, I did experiment with one camera to have the cover glass replaced by Kolari, but they broke the sensor, so that was 2k down the drain!
I shoot both film and digital, film because well it’s film and I can’t get the artistic quality of black and white that I want with digital. Well that and the fact I enjoy the work flow. My digital is a Nikon D200 so an old camera now. Still love it and would I change it? No. The CCD sensor is fantastic, I love the image quality and feel of the colours and would go CCD over CMOS. I know that it’s not a Leica and images can’t be compared like for like but new for old, I’m not one for chasing the mega pixels, as long as it’s good enough for the print size that you use then happy days. There’s more to a good image than the latest camera a company made, and it normally starts with who’s holding it.
Ribsy Good luck better off with the M10 but they are hard to find. You should wait the units the M-11 is announced in a few days. Next folks will be turning in the M10's. the 240's are vast. You should call your local Leica Store, New York, LA, Miami. The M9 is a good puppy and sensor can still be replaced if need be (1100) bucks. You should have two of the same bodies
SUPER excited for you! But…can’t help at all. Which Leica to buy is not a problem I can get anywhere near wrapping my head around. I can say I’ve been shooting with my A7Riii since it cam out in late 2017 and don’t feel like I’m missing out at all even though it’s now old as dirt in camera years. Excited to see what you decide on!
I also have a Sony A7RIIIA and a Leica M Typ 240. Something I can do with both cameras, and the M8 and M9 cannot do that, is to adapt lenses that are without M-Mount (Minolta, Nikon etc). With the EVF (Leica or Olympus VF2) or the Liveview as well as focus peaking and the corresponding adapter, the M240 can also use lenses that are not coupled to the rangefinder. I use Pentax-M Lenses.
regarding lenses, I currently use the 28mm Elmarit M Asph and the Voigtlander 40mm F 1.2. Versatile combination and more economic as far as Leica lenses are concerned.
I'm a happy camper with the M10; previous digital ones never sat right with me and I could have never justified spending that money on camera that I fundamentally didn't like to use. M10 is much much different to me (small things that kinda add up to an experience) and it seems much more similar to my old m6TTL which I adore.
Well from my perspective, given that even some M9's are reaching the price of modern, digital MEDIUM FORMAT cameras, such investment is beyond crazy. But as you had already said, it's your money... Nevertheless, I'd strongly suggest to avoid M9. That sensor corrosion is a real thing, happened to me. Granted, not with the M9 or any other expensive camera, but with Olympus C5050, which also used a CCD sensor. I bought it new back in 2003., and I still have that camera, which actually springs back to life every time I fill it with fresh batteries, but nothing comes out of that sensor other than the grey noise...
Buy m9 if you like film looks... I also have Leica cl and sl2s they are nice, modern looks .. But m9 is very special, great for black & white as well ....Just make sure u buy the the one with replaced sensor.... Good luck!
Quite a leap into the unknown to get an M10 as a first Leica. Guess you call sell if it’s not for you. Personally I love my film Leica but could not stomach the price of a digital body, even with my huge powers of self justification.
Ribsy! Looks like we lost you 😆 And someone told that Leica is not my style 😉 Okay, M9 is good if you find it good, there was some news that M9 had some sensor issues which wasn't covered by Leica and many guys stuck with they faulty M9s. If I would have enough money than I would look for M10 or maybe even to M10 monochrome if you are in pure B&W photography as it has no option to shoot color. This camera can shoot 40 megapixels DNG and that means that you will be able to make quite big digital prints without quality loss. Interesting when M11 is planed to be released...?
👋 I am shooting quite lot of film with zeiss and canon FD. I’m using digital Leicas too - SL 601 , tl2. One time I got my hands on sick cheap, broken M8. Repair it by myself and produced many fantastic pictures. Then it died completely and it took me a year before I decided to send it to Wetzlar. Repairs are in progress and I am preparing to die because of that 💸 bill 😭. So why I did it? Because in my opinion this camera is so unique that nothing comes close to it , even m9 and s2 which both have ccd. It is not about perfection, it’s about expression. And because it is cheap, you can put some extra in the lens ( I have 28 elmarit on my m8 - that gives you something like 35 mm) P.s If you are in to something special- try Nikon D3s 😉 Best regards Damian
I would definitely wait until you can actually try one out and see the results. At this point you are not so much looking at specs, but at undefinable, highly subjective details. Things like where your thumb sits. Is the layout better on one body vs the other? Is the menu system different? Although these things are going to be very similar from one M body to the other if you are going to spend Leica money, get what you really want.
The real never ending roll of Kodachrome is the CCD sensor on the M8, M8.2 which uses an UV/IR filter. I own an M9 and I love it... but not the same results as the M8, M8.2. Just my 2 cents. I also own an M240 ...
I have an M4 ….. if I were to go digital, I would get a Q2 …… you may be able to find one for roughly the price of an M10 body and it has a freakin 28mm 1.7 Summilux mounted to it. You can shoot in crop mode at 35mm and 50mm and still have a decent amount of resolution, due to it being a 47mp sensor.
don't forget the fuji x-pro series.. they're xTrans sensors & besides the inbuilt flavours of velvia acros etc you can use some fuji weekly recipes (website and app) you'll definitely get a 'film' look. set up a couple of profiles and shoot it that day or week as if you'd loaded film of that type. i have the x-pro1 (£250) which is said to be the most filmic & it's a peach. if video is important you'll have to look at the x100f/v though.. nice headache to have :)
wait for the M11 to come out and the m10 to drop in price. the M9 is still a lot of money for something that has old electronics, its limited to what cards it can take and the shutter sound is soooo loud. Also if the CCD sensor hasn't been replaced definitely avoid because the original ones corrode. I tried a 240 and to me it felt awful, the magnification in the viewfinder felt wrong, the m10 went back to 0.72
I had a M9 then a M240. Had to sell the M240 to buy my M6. Would have loved to hold onto the M240 and get the M6 🥲. On my M9 I had the sensor replaced, but I was always concerned that the replacement sensor would corrode as well. While I would love to have the M240 + M6, I think I would be happy enough with Fuji/Sony for digital.
I had an M9 for a year and just traded it. The color JPGs out of the M9 are great, but your ISO is quite limited and I felt that film performed better for the money. That said I am glad I tried it. If I were to get another digital Leica, I'd go for the M246 or M10 Monochrom.
One other thing: after I traded it, we discovered that the sensor was corroded. Kolari are the only people I know of who will replace it, so if you're looking for an M9 make sure it's got a replaced sensor.
Loved my M240, 24mp full frame. Should have been named the m10. Go for it! Also the sensor isn’t so important as you will have to edit your images anyways🤙
I tried the Leica Q some years ago and found it wonderful... But I've also tried the Nikon Z6, and thought it was wonderful also... After working with both types of files I can't see much difference between them... Of course the lens on the Leica Q and Q2 is great... But file quality wise it's not worth the price difference...
Interesting. You want your digital camera to be like a film camera. Maybe use your film camera for the 'film' look and go for a digital without the film bias. I chose Fujifilm X100v to go with my M6 instead of a digital Leica and I am glad I did. Size was one of the reasons and also price- Not I mean price per se but just the fact that it would've been so expensive that psychologically I felt it might hinder my creative use . I wanted an automatic digital to capture the image perfectly which gives me time to manually work the M6. Having a manual digital AND film camera I felt was too clumsy. As I have mentioned to you in another post I have a Summicron 35mm f2 which everybody says is brilliant but I kind of feel it can be too sharp. I paid the big bucks and now I live with it. I watched a lot of videos before I decided. You will too and once you buy what you thought was best and use it you may end up being disappointed. Greener grass on the other side etc. Good luck!
@@ribsy HaHa. Not what I meant. It's just that the dream of owning something sometimes is not the same as the reality. Whatever you choose will do the job and the rest is up to you. Good luck with your choice.
@@ribsy Yes, I go about choosing cameras in the same way - by shooting experience - but logically choosing the right glass for your subject to give you the images you want should be more important, but logic never comes into it... until you've bought the wrong lens...
it used to be that Leica was the best brand because their lenses were the best. The `sensor' i.e film in any camera was the same. TriX in a Leica or a Kodak Instamatic was the same in both cases. It was the lens that separated the two cameras. Sure body build quality was important but that did not affect image IQ. Today the `film', i.e the sensor is also made by the camera manufacturer to some degree. There's no point putting a Leica lens on a rubbish sensor. I don't know what the Leica sensor is like but there's two factors now in deciding whats the best camera - the lens and the sensor. I also think if you buy a Leica camera and don't use a Leica lens whats the point? I can put a Voightlander lens on my mirrorless Nikon and get the same image quality because its the same lens. Build quality, sure but build quality is equally as good in Canons and Nikons. Don't know about Sony. These are just my musings about spending big money on Leicas and whether it's worth it. But I must say Ribsy I walked into the Leica shop one day down here in Melbourne Australia and picked up and played with a Leica M-A. It has a Summicron lens on it. And THAT was a beautiful experience! If I was a rich man, Ribsy, I would buy it. That camera tells me the aesthetic experience is worth it. But I still think I would only put a Leica lens on it. Good luck Ribsy. Looking forward to see how you get on
I’ve had it with Leica. Sure, the mechanics and optics are a class apart. But when it comes to anything electric, often taken from other compagnies, this tends to break down irreparably. It happened to me 3 times. Leica returned the cameras, with the message that there was nothing they could do for me. Bye bye Leica.
So last video was complaining about the cost of film photography and now you are going to buy a very expensive leica digital camera? That does not compute. Think of how much film you could buy instead. This video totally undercuts your last video. I tune into your channel because of the film content. I am not interested in digital. The processes are completely different. I'll be honest. I watch content about the film photography lifestyle. I don't care about the actual images being produced. It is about the community. Not interested in watching yet another digital photography channel.
One more thing - with film I feel fully at the mercy of the market. The cost and the availabitly per roll is inconsistent and seems to moving in a worse direction. With a digital camera no matter how expensive, the costs are fixed and often one-time expenses. The more photos I take, the cheaper it is per photo, all without the hassle of acquiring sold out or disappearing film.
Just had the exact same dilemma and after months of deciding and looking at forum after forum and hiring the different models to try for a couple of weeks. I finally decided on the M10 and couldn't be happier (London camera exchange sell them for a good used price FYI). The M240 feels like using an old phone (slow and clunky) and the auto ISO only selects the previously used manual ISO, not actually auto selecting the most appropriate. I also couldn't get behind the old tech in the M9, similar issues but also risks of dying early..
Correct... Go for the M9 or M9-P with a replaced CCD sensor. I have an M9-P and an M8 and love them, they are amazing and going up on value every day. I wouldn't dare to trade my M9-P for an M10! For lenses, I have Zeiss and Voigtlander, IQ is great and won't break the bank. Remember in case you go for the M9, make sure it has the replaced sensor!!!!
