Which Qur’an reading is ACCURATE?! - Qira'at Conundrum - Episode 12 

Jasmin Andersen The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

Luisito Famero The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

That is what you wish for. Do not hold your breath too long. One these two show tell you half the truth it means they are lying. Al fadi says he was a devout Muslim, yet all the explanation he gave are erroneous. Argumentum ad ignorantiam

@@almouwahedbillah2083 HA! I think you are right about truth.....and what half of it means OR could mean......How about Ah Hominem ? and RED HERRING ! You make me laugh!

No if u know Arabic or read the Quran you’ll know its not, in many many many verses in the Quran Allah speaks with plural and say we alot so its not something different and here its called “ the majesty we” for example when the queen says we and we did etc.. although she is one person so its for making the speaker great and not because the speaker are plural and its very common in the Quran and also at the same time a lot uses He and both of them refers for Allah and also using “ he “ is very common in the Quran.

They already have and concluded they like their power more than the truth.

@@ligarsystm or the prefer their head attached to shoulders.

There are minor human scribal errors in the early manuscripts, but they say 90-95% of the NT were preserved from the 1st century. If you are talking about English translations of the manuscripts, there are differences here and there, and every Christians know this. It is not easy translating languages to capture the exact perfect meaning sometimes, adding on to the fact that when different people translate a text it may never be worded exactly the same. This is not the same as the direct word of God, written and preserved by Allah himself having 1000s of variations in the original intended language.

Poor you

Confirmation bias is untouchable.

Because there are others to help our only "LORD", who created us. For instance, there are angles who look after us from some accidents, or those who take our souls, when we die, or come to us as the messengers, and ..... [13:11 (Al-Raad) Shifts (of angels) take turns, staying with each one of you-they are in front of you and behind you. They stay with you and guard you in accordance with GOD's commands. Thus, GOD does not change the condition of any people unless they themselves make the decision to change. If GOD wills any hardship for any people, no force can stop it. For they have none beside Him as Lord and Master.

Translations are worse than the actual texts in Quran so non Arab speakers don’t have any idea what’s. Meaning of the verses are , they are lost in translations by Muslim translators. So deceiving

@@kevinexmuslim1396 But what if a translator is arabic? Just as Al Fadi is, would he be wrong, considering he is studying it for his Phd?

One and only one QUR'AN. These two are not telling you that all muslims know that there different reading due to the lack of diacritic in the original texts. This by no mean modify the meaning or the authenticity of the QUR'AN, that is a fact.

@@almouwahedbillah2083 Then be kind enough to answer these 3 questions if you may: 1. If you claim Fadi is misrepresenting Arabic, will you accept an Arabic scholar opinion without a dog in the fight (neither Jewish, Christian, or Muslim)? 2. Are you saying that the claim of perfect preservation down to each dot is in fact false (we are seeing the written differences with our own eyes, and I searchedfor them online and found them, they are not made up by Fadi)? 3. If you say "well the differences/variants don't alter the teachings and beliefs of Islam" (which I would be OK with, they seem rather inconsequential), well neither do the variants of the Bible (none change the facts of Jesus being divine, dying crucified for our sins, resurrecting). Will you extend the same standard to the Bible? I sure am extending it to both books, will you?

@@almouwahedbillah2083 so stop claiming ALL qurans are the same.

@@el_killorcure For so far I understood it. The books of the NT written in Greek are without any variants in the same Greek language of that segment of the Bible. The books of the OT in Hebrew and as translated (Septuagint) into Greek and subsequently Latin. The Scripture(s) we know in the languages mentioned above knows no variant. Isn't it? Bible translations in English language and other languages are where variants are present. But these are just what they are: translation variants, yet no deviation in meaning. What was written in the exemplar, the manuscript, never had and does not have the same problem people like Dr. Jay Smith and Al Fadi are now shining a textually critical light on regarding the Quran's one Arabic language showing variants. Pls tell me if they have variants the Sanaiticus, Vaticanus and the other goat-skin exemplar as brought forward from papyri in safeguard.

@@c.aurellaustina6849 The Bible according to,according to according to according to. Why according to?

KillOrCure The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

@@abunajam6787 Aha, right! Too late to be taken seriously. Which of these 7 versions is the lower text of the Sanaa manuscript, mind you?

What do you need to prove?

@@almouwahedbillah2083 I don't need to prove anything. I just want to be able to show the evidence to muslims that they have been lied to about the alleged perfect preservation of the Quran.

@Paco Newwave Then show me ahruf #1 and ahruf #2, etc. You can't. It has been lost. You have no idea if the variants are from allah or not.

@Paco NewwaveDo you realize how silly that is? If there are 7 ahruf, then they all could not be listed in the same document unless it was annotated. Show me one Quran that annotates ahrufs. No one can show the Uthman Quran, much less ahruf #1 and ahruf #2, etc. No one knows what the qiraat really are. There are multiple opinions out there. What it really looks like is a way to explain the variants while still pretending the Quran has never changed. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

@Paco Newwave No one know what ahruf and qiraat are. There are many theories but to scholars it looks like just an way to excuse the variants while pretending the quran has not changed. Perhaps you should watch the holes in the narrative interview again.

@Temporary Account4 How about if I give you evidence that I am your non-Arab Messenger?! this should prove that you don't have to be Arab to know the Quran. 16:102 (Al-Nahl) Say, "The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters." 16:103 (Al-Nahl) We are fully aware that they say, "A human being is teaching him!" The tongue of the source they hint at is non-Arabic, and this is a perfect Arabic tongue.

What do you think scholars were doing since the 1700s? Sitting on their asses? The New Testament is probably the leading document when it comes to textual criticism. No other religious document comes closer to academic study than the New Testament. Which is why we are confident in its narrative historical and textually.

You are right in that sense. But it doesn't solve places where it changes whole meaning. For ex: I gave you the quran. Becomes, 'They, You' gave the quran. While allah himself is the one seeking

Shahid Ali The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

When they admit changes but say they don't matter, what do they respond if told same goes for Bible variants (none change the facts of Jesus being divine, dying for our sins, resurrecting)? Force them to extend the same standard to the Bible...

No one lied to anybody, all muslims know about the existence of different qira'at. The Arabic language unlike Latin or Greek is very precise and has what is called diacritic. What these two are showing you, does not whatsoever prive the existence of two QUR'AN no matter how much they wish for that to be. The fact they are showing you both texts being the same, I do not expect you to understand Arabic, is in itself a proof that the QUR'AN is unchanged. What they have failed to really tell you, is that even with the difference in diacritic they are showing you, it is still same meaning within even the same reference. And that what makes the MIRACLE OF THE QUR'AN. Last but not least, You are free to believe or not to believe, no compulsion in religion. But pleae do not make up stories just to attempt to prove a point. ADIOS.

@@el_killorcure No changes, these two are grasping to straws. Argumentum ad captandum et ad ignorantiam.

@@almouwahedbillah2083 Got 3 questions then: 1. If you claim Fadi is misrepresenting Arabic, will you accept an Arabic scholar opinion without a dog in the fight (neither Jewish, Christian, or Muslim)? 2. Are you saying that the claim of perfect preservation down to each dot is in fact false (we are seeing the written differences with our own eyes, and I searched for them online and found them, they are not made up by Fadi)? 3. If you say "well the differences/variants don't alter the teachings and beliefs of Islam", well neither do the variants of the Bible (none change the facts of Jesus being divine, dying crucified for our sins, resurrecting). Will you extend the same standard to the Bible?

@@almouwahedbillah2083 so is the Qur'an identical word for word or not? As so many Muslims say. Please just answer with no deflection

They will have to do a good mash up of all the floating narratives to be distilled into one. It's going to take out to the next millennium before they have that worked out and in print.

Not true. Arabic back then did not have diacritic, people read and understood the texts. This is what these two failed to tell you.

@@almouwahedbillah2083 Then why the 7 versions given to the messenger, if they understood the text? Think that through.

@@gilbertjones9157 They are not seven versions. Remove the diactrics, they are the same The duactrics did not in any shape form mean change the meaning the substance or the message therein. That you can ask not me for you will assume I am biased. Ask Abd El-fadi homself, on one condition, that he reads the previous verses before all the seven versions he has shown you. He did not do that on purpose. I personally am willing to show that to you if he refuses, and I will do that live. PAZ.

I do not blame you, when you come back and you have learned Arabic, it is another story. Judging without knowledge "ain't" smart.

There is nothing keeping you from reading the various books of the Bible in Hebrew or Greek, either by consulting printed versions or using free versions online. If you can't get to a site like Bible hub, maybe your country or ISP is blocking it.

Faadi, where is the original Bible and Gospel of Jesus ? No one claims we have the originals due to papyrus not lasting. There is no SUCH THING as Gospel of Jesus, that is more Muslim BS.

@Majo Flinterman Islam got it wrong as per quran it's a book. Good News to Christians is the first 4 books in NT.

My guess is that Jesus had the only true copy of the book allah revealed to him under his arm when allah took him safe ... Good one. 😂🤣😂

bibles from centuries before Islam are the same as those today.

you should ask children of isreal that verse talking about them..you must didn't read entire verse right?you want want me attach that verse so you can digest it?if I attach you will get arabic class for free..this chances you shouldn't waste..effect of reading translation..thats normal among christian...remember thats Semitic language..hebrew,arabic..aramic mother of Semitic language..if didn't know what is that better shut up and go learn.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nrlTo8WS9p8.html have you wonder why rabbi always say christian miss interpreted revelation..then you guys say rabbi crazy, lost what ever..eh..they say the right thing..faced that issue first than talk.

El Ge The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

Jesus even couldn't help himself or save his so-called disciples! Ask your "God the Only" forgives you for your polytheism!

MOHAMMAD FALSE PROPHET QURAN 69:49 QURAN NEVER WORD OF GOD 👉 👉QURAN 😈📖🚮

@@ankur7773 Muhammad is not a false prophet! That verse 69:40 = 19 has nothing to do with Muhammad! He lost his status for Idolatry! That verse is about a Messenger of the convent (3:81) Muhammad was famous for hiding some of the verses and he had no honor!

@@kouroshmemari2450 The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

@@abunajam6787 Thank you, my friend, Although I agree with most of what that site says, they gave a lot of misunderstandings about Muhammad, and the word "Allah", which may have been out of Arabs' zealots! First, our only "LORD", does not care any most respectable name you call "His Majesty" [17:110] Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." [7:180] To GOD belongs the most beautiful names; call upon Him therewith, and disregard those who distort His names. They will be repaid for their sins. *** The other important matter is the messenger of the covenant. This messenger has nothing to do with Muhammad! He is also present among other prophets to make this oath to their "LORD" 3:81 (Al-Imran) And when "God the Wisest" took a "covenant" from the prophets, that indeed "I" have given you scripture and wisdom, thereafter, a messenger will come to you upholding what you have, you shall believe in him and support him. "His Majesty," said: « Do you agree and make a solemn covenant? » They said we agree. "His Majesty said: «Therefore be witnesses and I am witnessing this along with you. » Muhammad Pledges to Support God's Messenger of the Covenant* [33:7] Recall that we took from the prophets their covenant, including you (O Muhammad), Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn pledge

7.160 that verse talk about children of isreal talking about event happen(involve in that event gabriel,moses,aaron,and Moses follower-the time frame 5 thousand year different-Royal we)Moses or angel they cannot and will not forgive sin bcs angel and prophet they sinless its talking about duty done by his slave(angel prophet,bnei isreal) how unforgettable that moment so the reader can focus and take lesson from that event ..their GOD didn't have son, mother etc or like creation you know echad or in arabic ahad its doesn't mean one but instead uniquely one impossible can increase or decrease in number or attribute not like creation..they not among polytheist..thats why children of isreal can pray in mosque its forbidden to pray or enter church..bcs polytheist..thats the problem if used translation..thats word sooooo clear it using nahnu..do you know what is that?bible used according to...but from people guess..not directly from GOD inform like al Quran..impossible can change or manipulate that word..it will change the entire context..

@@GardeniaInc The children of Israel forgive sins?

vale rossi The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

@@abunajam6787wellcome in the hole

@@valerossi823 And what/which hole is this?

@@abunajam6787 all of standard Islamic narrative is a hole... a big big hole.. all of it...

@@valerossi823 Brother, instead of making wild hollow statement(s), please detail the "hole" in Islamic narrative. Thank you. nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5063

@Majo Flinterman if you read hebrew bible there are words used as plural of respect in hebrew....

Are you trying to white wash Allah and ummi mullah Muhammad 🤣 🤣 🤣 So sad Allah don't know English 😭

@@passion4nation 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Mohammed Amir The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

@Majo Flinterman No, brother, it does not mean "allah keeps seven etnernal tablets of the quran somewhere up in the sky." Only that the seven different modes of recitation of the Qur'an are intrinsic in the Quraysh dialect. However, since man can store Himalayan amount of data on the head of a pin and store many files of hundreds of gigabytes on a computer chip, then given the sophistication of Allah's system, surely Allah can "keep(s) seven etnernal tablets of the quran somewhere up in the sky." nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862

Arabic is a very rich and precise language. Unlike Latin or Greek it did not require diacritic to be understood by the arabs back then. This is what these two failed to explain to those who are viewing this so called informative video.

@Bj D Yes sometimes you can do it. Arabic is a very precise language.

@Bj D it seems to me from your last paragraph, that the whys you are writing are not to fill your ignorance in the subject but rather to amplify your zealotness. Nevertheless, here is the answer to your whys. People in Arabia and at the time of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)were very fluent in their own language which is Arabic.Meaning that the written language and the spoken language were the same. Unlike today, most of the spoken Arabic in the Arab world is what you call slang Arabic. The only times you will hear the actual written Arabic spoken in all the Arab countries is when the QUR'AN or the hadith(meaning the saying of the prophet) are recited. The arabs back then had the ability to distinguish with no errors whatsoever what every word was, not only that had the ability to distinguish verbs from subject from object passive dative so on and so forth simply from the position of the word in the sentence. That aside, one of verses of the QUR'AN talks about that the QUR'AN is revealed to them in their language so they understand it. And that was one of the miracles of the BOOK. You may not agree, that is your choice, no compulsion intended. Imagine someone trying to deliver a message to you in the language of the Arapahos, you will not even attempt to read. So you see why the diactrics are needed today. What kept the Arabic language alive, so that you may know, not the arabs, but the QUR'AN itself. I will leave you with this to ponder. ˹O believers!˺ Do not insult what they invoke besides Allah or they will insult Allah spitefully out of ignorance. This is how We have made each people’s deeds appealing to them. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them of what they used to do. PAZ.

@Bj D It is Qureshi and not quareshi. I guess you are not familiar with the erra of ignorance(jahiliyyah). For you to say that Mohammad(peace be upon him) Spoke an obscure dialect shows your ignorance related to Arab history and the prophet lineage. And I surely do not make up history nor change facts like others to suite their beliefs. God is one, Muhammad is his prophet. Our omnipotent God can not be stripped naked and put to the cross and ask another God to help him. The trinity you believe in is a copy cat of the Egyptian trinity represented by Osiris,Horus and Isis. www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/how-ancient-trinitarian-gods-influenced-adoption-of-the-trinity Read the Egyptian part and reread it. Does is sound like something you know. By the Augustine de Hippo formulated the original sin doctrine. Remember this wise proverb, Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. PAZ.

@Bj D From which verses are you referering to the muddy pool and the sun journey? Please reference the Arabic text. The numbers of the surats would suffice. Ask and you shall learn.

You misunderstand Islam... Just as some Jews rejected Jesus, you all reject Muhammed. (Peace be upon them all) Muslim believe in ALL PROPHETS and acknowledge the Truth in previous revelations. Study from an expert in Islam about Islam not from Al Fadi who seeks to lead you astray.

@@H18717 I do not reject Mohamed (PBUH) because he was visited by Angel Gabriel I know Mohamed,Moses and Jesus were sinners who had contact with God in diverse ways Their writings are subject to scrutiny and questioning because they are humans and such questioning does not affect of God ...Al Fadi just needs to sit down with us and we have a structured discussion ending in resolutions

@@queerinsciencetheologyphil8536 If you understand any of the Prophets (peace be upon them all) and the meaning of Revelations (not writings), you would not say that their writings are subject to scrutiny. God reveals His message to the Prophets, who then deliver it to the people to warn them against all that is evil and to enjoin all that is good so that the people may please God and enter the Eternal Paradise. God tests every generation as He Wills. The last prophet is Muhammad (PBUH) and the last Revelation that confirms the TRUTH in all prior revelations and guides mankind to all that is good is the Quran. The Quran is the Word of the Creator of the Entire Universe. Al Fadi might think by dressing like an Arab, he can deceive people, but primarily, he decieves himself first. Everyone can go around wasting their precious time in the Short temporal world arguing, disputing or refuting the Truth....Ultimately we will all die whether its today or tomorrow and we will either be pleased that we believed and did good deeds or be in despair or regret that we disbelieved and disobeyed God's message. Peace!

@@queerinsciencetheologyphil8536 All prophets of God are sinless God Almighty would not send sinners to guide the people.

@@farookdinaully8029 Oh my friend my khalil ..Read the Hadiths Mohamed pbuh prayed to God to have mercy on him So all the prophets are sons of Adam with Jesus having a special birth but nonetheless still called himself a sin er or not a good person Read the Quran Mohamed pbuh says God is all merciful all forgiving ...whose sins was Allah forgiving ?? Mohamed sins ...he was a Son of Adam Same to Moses and Jesus whom the latter said forgive us our sins in the Lord's prayer

You are not understanding their point. What you are claiming is, sometimes allah speaks using I or We etc. And of course this happens. That's not what they are pointing. Say, in Ch1 verse 1, you have this sentence: I gave you the book of revealation. Here, in other variant qurans, the verse is changed with I, He, They So the same sentence will be read " You/They gave the book of revelation" Do you see the changing of meaning here. So, these kinds of mistakes were made, what else have been changed? Revised?

@GH Who said that? Majority islamic scholar never claim that quran is preserved word to word. If you study the meaning of 7 Ahruf and 10 Qiraat, you will never make such claim. Christian is cherry picking to discredit Quran because their Trinity concept has cripple down and many have left christian and join Islam.

@GH That ustaz must be ignorant. Not all ustaz are clever same like your priest.

@GH You show me which differences that change our practise, change the way we pray, fast, paying zakat, doing haj etc.

ohh it preserve dot by dot ooo..which kids didn't know mushaf(suhuf kept by prophet muhamad in his house)and have been verified by prophet himself it been call suhuf Abu baker bcs after prophet pass away he kept it as first caliphate named after him bcs of that..then after that have been used to write mashaf al imam these copied have been used by third caliphate uthman bin affan for it doesn't have dots or whatever all four caliphate they memorise al Quran including Aisha..she being teach by prophet directly if goat eat entire copied of al Quran you think she care?its normal even torah also like this..ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nrlTo8WS9p8.html the different torah lost and destroy by nebucadnezar they doesn't have original copied anymore..its rare to find they memorise torah..how to transmit if varies word impossible bcs meaning also changed..brain cannot accept that..how to corrupt memorise?al Quran have been preserve in both way writing and memorising..never see muslim in Mecca do pilgrimage fight bcs different al Quran..most christian think Jesus receive revelation fly to sky or book send to earth??if Gabriel met these type of people don't think they can survive..Adam till the last prophet he met and guide them..you say what??

@GH then tell me what the meaning of those dots?you so cute too.

Güçlü Melek The Qur'an is perfectly preserved in SEVEN MODES nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=4862. Christianity dupes people nogodbutallah.org/?page_id=5090

Dude the God of the Christians and Jews, and the god of Muslims are 2 different characters. When they say Allah, they are referring to Islamic God, and Arab Christians won't be offended.