Which Ringwraith is the BEST and WORST?! (Throwback) - Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game | MESBG 

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I see a couple of master debaters. Love this format lads. Dark marshal is without a doubt my favourite of the named Wraiths. Love the banner, but also he's one of the best casters out of the named lads, he's also got the highest base fight value. -Sean

The Ian list painted shadow lord on forgotten dungeon base is superb min 3:09, very good list, i am glad i added kamul to my army, although nobody play it anymore.

dang guys this is class! love the idea of releasing content with visuals for youtube well done! a couple buddies of mine think ring wraiths are trash ima have to show them this 🙌

For me, I'd say the rankings go: 1. Witch King - Jack of all trades, best combat wraith, what not to like. 2. Shadow Lord - Brings Blinding Light to evil lists, which is an extremely valuable tool to have, especially now with the changes to flying and Great Beast model In-The-Ways 3. Dwimmerlaik - Neuters powerful opposing heroes and, just as importantly, is a massive psychological weapon to drain your opponent's mental resources. Doesn't need to be in combat or on a fellbeast imo to get max value, and you can always send him in with support to make him more viable; his job is to support and make other heroes worthless. 16 will too is nice. 4. Khamul the Easterling - 2nd best combat wraith, MUST be mounted, ideally on a fellbeast, though to get the most value out of him 5. Dark Marshal - 6" banner is good, but can relegate him largely to just banner duty and not much combat or casting as well due to only 14 will and it doesn't affect himself or other heroes, so for less points, just bring Suladan. Putting them together does give insane banner coverage though... 6. Betrayer - kinda meh in Mordor with no strike and needing the fellbeast to get 2A, must-have in Harad; would be better if he gave access to poisoned weapons somehow, but that list limitation makes him disappointing for me. Bane of Kings is cool though, will say that, might be underrating him a bit. 7. Knight of Umbar - no heroic strike makes his special rule pretty lousy, and he's a bad caster, but his armor still makes him a decent-ish combat option, especially on fell beast in a Corsair list since they don't have magic options or super heavy hitters. Not an ideal fit, but I can imagine some list combinations that could work alright with him. 8. Tainted - main special rule is heavily dependent on things outside of your control (getting priority and breaking your opponent before they break you), which makes it an extremely hit or miss points investment. Also somewhat anti-synergistic with the Dwimmerlaik, huge minus for me. 9. Undying - 18 fate points? Cool, but Will of Evil makes conserving will even more important now and thus limits his casting a little bit imo, so you have to protect him, and he's not a great combat hero, so that extra fate isn't too useful if you're not sending him in. Plus it's still a 50/50 roll, so have fun failing 6-7 fate rolls and loosing 6-7 will cause your opponent lucked into 2 wounds and you suddenly can't roll a 4+. Arcana Leach is also completely pointless.

I’m not sold on the ring wraiths. They are horrible in close combat. Their will drains every round they are in close combat. Only 1 wound and 1 attack. These armored behemoths can’t do much in melee. I’m sure I’m just not using them right. I don’t get the 1 wound.

I love the Knight of umbars model I really wish he had strike or something to make him worth taking

I'm surprised...I'm heading into a tournament using the Dwimmerlaik because usually alot of opponents do not expect him. Sucking the shit out of for exapmple Thranduil can be huuuge. Especially if you are rolling with Kardush too. Just protect Dwimmerlaik and use him soley as a support.

A big problem is the WK. It costs the EXACT SAME as a regular wraith with 10 will. With extra heroic actions, more access to M,W,F and extra goodies to take (Crown, Morgul blade). He should cost more for the base profile IMO.

Found thos video when I was looking into the game. Very proud to say I took the knight of umbar to an undefeated finish(had a tie) at a GT this past weekend. Ready to see what the new edition brings now!

Shadow Lord should maybe be higher just because Assault on Lothlorien is just so incredibly overtuned and he neuters prowler and bow spam in a major way.

It's a shame the Knight of Umbar is so low, as he has such a cool design. If you were to take the optimised mount for each Nazgul, which would you say? Fellbeast, armoured horse, regular horse, just on foot etc.

I don't understand your ranking of the Betrayer and the knight of Umbar You rate the Betrayer if he is in a harad list, while he is completly useless in a Mordor list (while also a terrible caster) But you do not rate the Knight in an Umbar list where he has a role: - Providing Harbinger of evil for the Black Numenoreans frontline - Sap will and other spells on enemy heroes for Dalamyr bombs to work on them - Monstruous attack / Mobility on a fellbeast in an army with Backstabber / no cavalry - Anti-monster power on a horse with his ability to copy their combat, strenght and attacks He is a combat wraith, yes he is terrible against heroes but you have Dalamyr, Hasharin, arbalesters and mostly corsairs for that. But with his ability, he can afford to stay in melee with regular troops far more easily than most ringwraith while providing harbinger and a few spells I feel like the Knight of Umbar is just like the betrayer, terrible in a mordor list, but synergize well in his home army. The synergy is obviously less powerful than the Betrayers but he has several more strings to his bow

MH but you missed the normal Wraith. How do you like them?

Tainted and Undying over Shadowlord?

1) It's there a playable Hope for The Dwimmerlaik in this edition? 2)The only playable faction its Angmar only?

If you put Dwimmerlaik on fell beast can't you use the beast's claws and not have the 2-handed penalty?

Sorry this is off topic but how good is the paint job Guys? Great episode thanks..

Any advice for building a good 700 point mordor list? I have played a few times now and have a bunch of different models but what configuration, how much of each. Just need some builds to get a broader base line.

You guys need to put some more respect on the Dwimmerlak none of you IMO gave that character the respect it deserves as a flash nuker/effectivness destoryer. The model is kind of like the undying it requires at least one other caster to unlock its potential. It's powerful at eating resources from people by putting people in a catch-22 with highly rolled spells. Say I have a burrow-weight, another ring wraith, or a shaman and I channel/cast a devastating spell they need to resist on a high dice roll ( because we throw multiple Will to make sure it goes off with at least a 5+) then the model needs to use at least 2 will - well your Dwimmerlak has 2 chances to eat their remaining will points - I did this the other day with Dwimmerlak +Witch King + Angmar Shaman. The other guy's Borimir had a Channeled immobilize on a 6 with 4 dice+ Crown of Morgul reroll. Since I have no burrow weights he decided to resist with 2 points of will since he doesn't want to get minced by the witch king with Morgul blade. The first roll comes up a 3 and on a 4+ I eat an additional will point with the Dwimm. I then channel a wither into the Borimir on 2 dice and he's -2 strength the rest of the game. The other factor is that if the Witch King is part of the army or you have a heavy hitter more points of fate can be eaten up super fast to save a wound from the Morgul blade or from monsters or other kill potential threats. There is a reason this model comes with no might if he could heroic channel we would be completely broken.