Which Star Wars Factions (and eras) could survive the YUUZHAN VONG? | Star Wars Legends Lore 

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The Vong would definitely be able to destroy the pre-Clone Wars republic. As you said in the video, the Vong would dominate space, and those who controls space, controls the galaxy. It’s just like if every nation on earth is an island (planet) surrounded by water (space), whoever’s got the strongest navy (space fleet) is the strongest nation

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You should totally do a video about the Megadeuces from the Big O anime they would mess up most series. They are that level of anime crazy.

What if they had invaded in the old republic time you know from Kotor fowerd

The vong: *capture a planet to make more ships* Palpatine on the death star: I'm about to end this mans whole career.

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Luke had 100 Jedi at the start of the war half that at the end I can't imagine what 10000 Jedi could've done

the clone war's had many more Jedi, and the droids were much heavier and versital with many more ship's, so I think the clone war's will definitely survive

Say what you want about the Yuuzhan Vong at least they are more threatening than the first order.

He never mentioned that if they had invaded in the old republic, not only were the Jedi at their prime but as were the sith. At one time the Jedi and sith had very similar numbers in the old republic. So not only would they have to deal with 10,000 Jedi but all of the sith on the dark consul, emperor vitiate/valcorian, and all of the others in swtor it would be suicide for the vonng.

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I gotta say that I think you're vastly overestimating the power of the planetary defense forces from the pre-clone wars era. Some might have been able to stand for a short time like the forces of Umbara or the Wookies but we know from the clone wars that most of the PDF units that existed were largely ceremonial and lacked ships or even meaningful numbers to resist a Vong invasion. A decentralized command structure really just means that you can't coordinate troops and resources effectively and the vong would be more than capable of crushing any system they came across. It would take time to build up a military force capable of resisting the vong and while that is being built the vong would be free to rampage across the outer and mid rim and maybe even the core.

2:40 I'd argue that having a decentralized defense focused on wealthier planets would be easier for the Vong to take. What does Kuat care if some Outer Rim worlds are subsumed by a Vong army seeking to replinish their ranks? By the time the threat is taken seriously enough and a military is bought/raised, the Vong would already have a decent foothold.

Right after the Clone Wars with all the chaos might be a good point, when the CIS was dismantled

The best time would have been the pre-clone wars. Hear me out, yes there was a better distribution of military forces, but each one had their own agenda, or rather the protection of themselves over the rest of the galaxy, which would have made many of them stand down unless directly threatened. The clone wars, or rather mid clone wars would have been the worst time of all to invade. Sure the republic had lost officers and Jedi, but the ones left had become hardier and more accustomed to front war tactics. meanwhile the CIS had gone through it’s own evolution, upgrading B1 program slightly, ramping up B2 production, creating some dangerous toys, and also gained experience themselves, most particularly in ambush or sneak attacks as they often liked to do, instead of frontline warfare. This would have created an unusual yet effective hybrid force, with the centralized republic Forces capable of taking the Vong head on, or rather in a slow bulldozing tactic, while the decentralized CIS could focus more on ambush, quick invasion tactics that only their factories could sustain. The best part is that even if you flip the script and put the CIS in bulldozing and the Republic in guerilla style, it still works, because then the Republic can focus on training and deploying commandos while the CIS could focus on massive and I mean MASSIVE offensive production, due to now being allied with the republic, means they once again have unrestricted access to most areas they could effectively deploy their droids. Same thing could be said, or rather works best, with their space forces. The Republic Venator can focus on being a support ship for lukrehulks, providing clone ingenuity to direct droid star fighter numbers and become a true force to be reckoned with.

Aww crap, gotta rewatch half the vid, was engrossed in the saber duel from that cutscene

(1) Nom Anor made it clear (I think it wad in Destiny's Way) that Palpatine's Empire would have utterly destroyed the Vong "in the first encounter". (2) The Emperor Reborn would have ZERO trouble with the Vong. 2 words: Galaxy Gun.

You forgot the Eternal Empire and the Rakatas.

It's possible that the Vong decided to invade at exactly the time you said they should have, but that their ships took several years to arrive. They were travelling from another galaxy, after all...

1: Peak Empire 2: Peak New Republic but under competent leadership. 3: SWTOR. Militarized 4: Day before Genosis. Militarized 5: Few years before Episode 1. 40K jedi mean nothing if they can attack from range (space) and you have no counter attack available. System defense fleets are small and easily pushed aside by a couple Vong cruisers. Strip shields and melt the fleet.

I think the empire has the best overall chance of surviving and defeating the Yuuzhan Vong, I’ll also give the clone wars era a chance of surviving since both army’s can basically be mass produced (the republics is a lot slower but has a better pay off in quality), the droids would be really good at distracting the Vong from the clones and Jedi in the battles.

The Vong pose a serious threat to all of the factions and time periods in Star Wars. The Empire would probably be able to win, but the rest of them are at a serious tech and organizational disadvantage. Planetary Fleets would not be able to stop the Vong. Pretty much all Pre- Empire fleets are woefully under powered. The Vong are not of the Star Wars home galaxy and taking them lightly is what almost cratered the galaxy. Even the Empire was prone to destabilization and the Vong were masters at that. If Palpatine and the Chiss were afraid of the Vong then everyone else should be too. Everyone seriously low-balls the Vong. They fought and defeated the New Republic ( not the Galactic Alliance) which was of a higher tech level than even the Empire and were only defeated by a galaxy wide coalition AFTER countermeasures had been developed for all the Vong's tactics and their secrets had been discovered. Oh, and everybody talks about how the CIS would wreck the Vong, but do you really want to see galaxy wide Serpidal/ Vector Prime moon smashing anti- machine rage?

The question shouldnt be so.much Which era would have survived, as which would survive if the pre-invasion had gone as planned. The Vong had agents and scouts in the galaxy for decades prior to the invasion. The agents were to sow dissension between planets and cause brush wars between neighboring planets to prevent a united front, which may not have been as effective during the height of the empire but very effective under other eras. Also to send intelligence back regarding possible allies, defense setups and capabilities. The scouts were sent to identify uninhabited planets on the invasion corridor suitable for terra forming to Vong specifications for troop and weapons development. The two problems they ran into was that first; a renegade faction grew impatient and wanted to become more prominent within the Vong and decided to invade early. One of the first planets they came to was previously uninhabited but a recently arrived survey team encountered them and their going quiet prompted investigation. That led to the second problem, since they were discovered they pressed their current advantage of numbers and tech superiority in the area. The New Republic and Jedi responded quicker than expected and since the Vong force wasnt part of the warrior caste they werent as preparred for the battle as they thought and were beaten back. From this, the Jedi and military were able to get a measure of what they were up against and began making preparations to stand against them even without full government support. This caused the rest of the incoming invasion to accelerate their plans and were less prepared for the opposition they would run into and their agents were less effective given the new timeline.

2:30 It would allow the Vong to conquer the galaxy though if a little more slowly. Without a central force no planet can really challenge them. This divided force cost the republic dearly during the opening stages of the great galactic war. It meant the empire could just overpower local defense forces with relative impunity since they never had to fear overexention or a rear attack. It wasn't really until the forces became more united and attack with a large fleet capable of obliterating small imperial units that they started to see victory. In the opening stages the only real opposition was the republic fleet so they had to do elaborate schemes to trap them.

Here’s a question for you, how would the Flood utilize the Vong and their technology?

Outside of Nom Anor, sending signals who knows how long it would take to get to the fleet in the void, the Vong was on it's way and came when they did. Being in intergalactic space for generations, I am sure they were itching to get there as fast as they could. Part of Outbound Flight was to investigate the "Outsiders" and another reason Thrawn was so important to the Emperor.

2:10 “most planets wouldn’t have been completely defenceless”...yet we see that the tactic used by the Vong would have meant that most of these planets with maybe one or if luck two capitol ships there would have been nothing against the fleets the Vong brought in.

I believe that Palpatine's Empire was created specifically to prepare for the invasion of Yuuzhan-Vong. And the Death Star would be super useful to fight the intergalactic invaders. Also giant fleet with militarized and organized economy would also help.

Firstly, congratulations on getting married. Secondly, the video, I agree with your analysis. Just after Palpatine 2.0 has been bumped off and Byss has been blown up, straight after Shadow Hand has failed and all the Dark Empire stuff would've been the best time to invade. Both the Empire and the New Republic are on their knees, having lost a lot of personnel and ships in the war. If the Vong invaded, it would be a very hard war for the Empire and New Republic, possibly unwinnable.

I think if them appearing thousands of years earlier was on the table right after the sith civil war would have been the best time to attack due to the fact that there were almost no Jedi and no powerful empire or sith empire.

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Who else thinks the Clone Wars tv show would've been even more amazing if it was made in the SWTOR CGI movies?

No way the pre-Clone Wars, post-Ruusan Reformation Republic would survive. Not enough capital ships, bad fighters, limits on weapons, size, etc. No proper army, local militaries (that would probably focus on defending themselves)... The decentralized command would generate caos, with a lack of coordination, and fights over what to do and who should lead. No developed military hardware. The Jedi were peacekeepers, not soldiers, like Windu says. They weren't used to fighting high-skill opponents and big battles, like demonstrated during the Clone Wars. Besides, their Force powers would be useless against the Vong. No space superiority, no land superiority, fractured military forces with stronger local loyalties than to the Republic, nonexistent centralized command, weak chancellorship, squabbling and bureaucratic Senate, inexperienced Jedi, light equipment, no recent galactic experience on large scale conflict, no Force advantage, no superweapons, undeveloped military-industrial complex, large and powerful criminal factions, deep divisions between the population and regions... I actually think that might be the very worst moment (for the galaxy) for the Vong to invade.

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Man I'd hate to be the cleaner who's job it is to clean up after those Jedi fights, poor bugger.....

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I mean, if the Star Forge survived, the Vong would’ve been defeated in a blink

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Vong were badass but the New Republic could have handled them sooner if it was 100 % on the same page.

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I still would like a redo with Destiny vs Covenant.

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Over its lifespan the empire had: 2 Death stars Eclipse 1 Eclipse 2 Sovereign Class The Tarkin The Sun Crusher World Devastators Possibly Centerpoint Station 50+ Super Star Destroyers Hundreds of Battlecruisers i.e. Allegiance/ Praetor variants/ Bellator/ Asserter 25000+ Imperial Star Destroyers Support vessels Endless TIE Fighters and variants The galaxy at large also had many pirate vessels or retired ships from the Clone Wars. It's too bad the Rebels/ New Republic were too good at destroying each of these before they steamrolled the galaxy into submission. There's no way the Vong even consider the star wars galaxy to be a viable target if they saw this much stuff

The Death Star would most likely give the Vong some trouble i would honestly like to see the death star vs a fleet of Yuuzhan-Vong ships

I would like to see the Old Republic with Revan and Malik and the mandalorians vs the vong

#AskEck what are your thoughts on the planetary defense forces in the clone wars?How did they work?

It would have been hilariously awkward if Palpatine showed up to save the day for the New Republic because the Vong arrived a bit early...

The Empire didn't dismantle planetary defense force it merely nationalized them. The Empire also did have force users. They had at least as many Inquisitors, Emperors Hands, Eyes and Ears as well as the Dark Side Elite, Prophets of the Dark Side, Shadow Guard and the Dark Side Adepts to match the amount if Luke's Jedi.

Clone Wars since Jedi in that era were stronger than ever

Honestly I think the best time for the vong to invade would be during the phantom menace. Because the only major threats to them would be the jedi and the mega corporations, but even the jedi and the mega corporations would have lost to the vong had the vong invaded during the phantom menace.

What is that video with what I'm guessing is the Eclipse battling that Mon Calamari dreadnought?

Where is this footage from?

As I see suggested already, immediately after the clone wars would have been the best point for the Vong in my opinion. Palpatine had control yes but not absolute like he would in years to come. There is no real working superweapons yet like the deathstar, world devs etc. The empire was essentially running Venator and by this point Victory class, the would have had Mandator dreadnaughts yes but nothing like the empire would have later. CiS was dismantled and I'll confess I dont know how easy it would have been for Palpatine to reactivate their droid army to help fight. Obviously the jedi is essentially destroyed and for all they had an element of fear in Palpatine at this point in time he wasnt really at his peak yet. Neither had his new empire had the chance to really take dominance either

The vong would have been extremely enraged at seeing general Grevious or Darth vader cutting them down

The might of The Confederacy of Independent Systems will Shatter the Vong

The empire still had the Sun Crusher after Empire's End/Dark Empire in 11aby.

Pre clonewars would definitely be one of the best times to invade. Many planets had no defences to speak off. Even planets like Naboo which had a standing army and navy couldn't compete at all with a serious military power. Most systems had only enough ships to stave off pirate attacks. The individual powerful fleets like Kuat, the Trade Federation etc. certainly could protect their own systems but there would be no cooperation between those factions. They would become isolated pockets of resistance, while the Yuuzhan Vong take over most of the galaxy and most importantly take control of hyperspace lanes, therefore not only crippling the galactic trading but outright killing it. Kuat may have infrastructure for ship production but how much food do they produce within their own system? The Yuuzhan Vong would conquer most of the galaxy in a blitz while encircling those pockets of resistance. Then they can besiege the larger ones while they prepare invasion forces to take out the weaker fleets of any resisting systems. Unless the galactic senate manages to quickly unite under a supreme chancellor with granted emergency powers (like during the clone wars) they would be unable to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong.

If the yuuzhan vong invaded pre clone wars, they would've gone against the JEDI at their peak

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Best time to invade would be after the jedi Civil War

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Assuming the Vong invaded early into the clone wars, I have no doubt that the Republic would toss them back out. There were a lot more Jedi, several high experienced Jedi masters and a lot more warships/fighters.

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Pre-Naboo would have been a pretty good time for the Vong. Sure there's the Jedi, but only a few worlds have really strong defences. No big fleets means they can't really take the war to the Vong, so everything is riding on the Jedi, And as Geonosis proved, even Jedi are far from indestructible.

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I feel like the post Ruusan reformation era republic would be the best time to attack. There weren’t as many powerful ships in republic space, and the few that existed weren’t as powerful as they could have been due to restrictions that were placed on them.

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Congratulations for the wedding. BTW I love how in books one Imperial remnant officer says that Empire would be able to handle the Yuuzhan Vong better than New Republic to which I think it was Han who responded that Empire would have wasted resources building superweapons that would not even work as intended in field while worlds burned. That said, even Vedge said that he will hit the Yuuzhan Vong with the enemy they never had the displeasure of fighting, The Empire. And sent SSD to the fight. So overall I think military leadership would be more effective in Empire, their disregard for population would devastate the galaxy more than what New Republic managed, perhaps even crippling the galactic trade and society.

Confederacy of Independent Systems military: *exists* Yuuzang Vong: *angry as fuck*

#askEck What would happen if the Vong had open military aid from the Vagaari during their invasion?

Thinking about Vader and Palpatine fighting the vong is awesome. imagine the two most powerful sith in the Galaxy (atleast in this era) fighting extra galactic alien invaders. I think the vong would be terrified by Vader he appears like a droid and he is a force user two things the vong hate.

The old republic era because it had two actual determined armies (republic and old sith) as opposed to the clone wars which only bulit an clone army to fight a war thats so stupid and droid armies that have no free thought nor are they really that smart but the old republic had twoarmies that were filled with war veterans and actual self thinking fleet commanders and ground commanders which is crucial in a war. Also the republic had its cloning base on kamino and all the vong have to do is take kamino out and boom the republic is left without any future reinforcements and the CIS had droid production facilities which once again, if taken out leave the CIS without fresh troops and reinforcements plus both armies are expensive to keep building and outfitting new troops.

stopped watching 3 minutes in. there is a reason divide and conquar is a valid startegy.

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Kuat was the only single planetary defense force that would have lasted for any time whatsoever against the Vong. Any other planetary defense force is going to be swept aside as an afterthought. The time right before the Clone Wars would have been one of the worst times for them to show up for the galaxy, as there weren't anywhere near enough Jedi to fight the Vong.

The Old Republic era would absolutely destroy the Vong.

When Palpatine met with Thrawn during the Clone Wars, he warn him of the far outsiders, the Yuuzhan Vong. How this happened was the radical Jedi explore the unknown territory, Palpatine fear that they would accidentally discover the Vong long before he was prepared to fight them. As before the Clone Wars, the basic forces were the pathetic droid army of the Trade Federation. To Palpatine the Clone Wars had to three parts, revenge against the Jedi, creating a empire, and lastly prepare for the arrival of the Yuuzhan Vong. Hell there are reports that back in Revan's era, that Vong scouts had first discover this galaxy as their people did the long journey through dark space, other signs where during the Clone Wars.

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I think the Clone Wars era because the CIS would piss off the Vong so much that they wouldn’t focus on the republic and the republic could wreck the vong

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I dont agree with your analysis of the pre-clone-wars republic at all. A large vong fleet could obliterate hundreds of tiny planetary defense fleets with basically no casualties. edit: so you're basically saying 4/5ths of all eras that exist are "one of the worst possible times"...?

The Resurgent Sith Empire would crush the Vong

I have to disagree with the decentralized military of the Republic being better. The military doctrine that has worked best has been to leave decisions on the ground to those who are closest, but to have a clear set of directives coming down from above. That way if a position is attacked they can call for reinforcements, they don'y attack a position just to see it's already been taken, etc. Centralization also helps with logistics, which is the most important factor in warfare. A decentralized galactic navy would be slow to respond to an attack on a system, have trouble coordinating in large battles where multiple factions are involved, and have a lot of difficulty with supply lines. The Vong arc had to play up the "incompetent high command" aspect to explain how the Vong could nearly conquer the galaxy but also lose.

Only the Empire as a single faction was equip to stand against the Vong, everyone else would have been annihilated. Era-Wise: Basically everything era Old-Republic and later would have been able to stand up to them.

all star wars factions would survive. Because plot. The rebels would have the most change of defeating the vong. Because their plot armor is like over 9000.

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How about right after kreias death? The jedi almost beeing wiped out and disorganized, the sith destroyed, the republic massivly weakend.

Well, if Light of the Jedi is anything to go by as a standard going foward, it's easy to say the Vong would have decimated the High Republic Era - they don't even have a standing military smh

Why don't you ever cover the Knights of the Old Republic eras as well as the Great Galactic War and Cold War era, Eckharts?

Wave after wave of ewok suicide bombers would have been great...might not have done shit but it would’ve been funny followed by Gungans

For the pre-clone war era ou make a good point about one leader not screwing up everything but it's a double edge sword. With out a central command there is a loss of coordination.