It pisses me off more than anything in one piece on how most of the strawhats get zero development except luffy and, if your lucky, MAYBE zoro and sanji
@@Kinlon1102 Sanji, Nami, Ussop, Robin, and maybe Zoro (if you count his swordsmanship journey) have gotten some decent development though. Most of the strawhats' developments happened when they got recruited though so it's not as prominent anymore. But a lot of them have grown during the journey too. Luffy didn't get all that much development asides from getting a little stronger til Marineford, so I'd say it's somewhat balanced considering he is the main character
@@Jxrfv456y a lot of people forget this but ussop had power. In the beginning of the series he straight up defeated one of arlong’s men by himself. But we never see something like that again except in maybe him and luffy’s duel or dressrosa
Also, Usopp defeats his most trusty officer which is Sugar where she is totally invincible due to her DF power but Usopp made her traumatized with one spicy flame. And Usopp has been doing that since Thriller Bark to Perona with cockroaches.
@@Nohomo509brook is kinda old and all, but are we not going to talk about how the fuck Kureha is 134 years old being presumably a normal human????????
I feel like Jinbei's speed is pretty underrated to be honest. He was able to keep up with Who's Who, who can use all Rokushikis including Soru, which gave him enormous speed. I think the biggest problem for him would be Doflamingo's flight, since if he wanted to he could just stay in the air at all times and win like that. Overall I think Jinbei is stronger than Doflamingo, but that Doflamingo would have more chance of winning due to the match up (depending on the arena though, if there is water Jinbei might have more chances)
Just to clarify a bit, I don't think that Jinbei is as fast as Who's Who for example, but I do think he could keep up with Doflamingo's speed rather easily. Besides that, in my opinion Jinbei has greater Haki (especially armament), is stronger physically and much better at hand to hand combat + has enormous fire power with his Fishman Karate. Basically, if Jinbei gets his hands on Doflamingo and hit him with, let's say the same technique he used to one shot Who's Who, think Doflamingo is toasted in my opinion (I mean, he literally one tapped an Ancient Zoan type user and ancient CP9 member/Tobiroppo with his technique, which is honestly really impressive).
@@hunbi1875 Yeah, that's why I added that the battle could be flipped depending on the combat environment (mainly if it is either an open space for Doflamingo, or if there is some water for Jinbei)
If there is water doflamingo aren't standing a chance remember the move that jimbei used on big mom when big mom was the sunny and that move was fast and powerfull it could even one tap him considering he managed to launch big mom with it
I think his parasites is quicker than Robin’s sprouting limbs. He also could do emergency surgery on his balls, as we’ve seen when Law burned up his insides.
I think croco boy is trying to free him from jail and be him to join crossguild. and the other other options like Boa and Weevil are kinda doing bad right now because Blackbeard beat her and Greenbull caputed Weevil.
Brook has actually gotten so strong,xd he use to be apart of like the weak trio and it was 4 of them, but he's won every fight he's been in so far, all bro needs is haki and I swear he'd shoot up in power, and potentially be zoro's rival. Its interesting that they never spar
I think the crew’s Haki needs a BIG upgrade in Elbaf. Luffy and Zoro need to polish their Adv Coq and Sanji my man need Coq 😭😭😭. I’d like to see the whole crew get some basic armament and/or observation. Brook, Franky, And Ussop need both 100%.
Anyone remember where pre-timeskip usopp stood his ground for a while against Luffy in water 7 because he prepared. Of course usopp would get slammed by doffy with no preparation. But usopp being a smart boi (most of the time) could prepare and in my opinion, usopp with prep time could have the same odds as Franky
Brook isn't the fastest strawhat. It's Sanji. I don't remember Brook moving so fast that he can literally step on air .Sanji also moved so fast that even queen couldn't see him
@rajeevalochans2351 bro he is quoting the time sanji attacked doflaming on sweet pea during doflamingo was about to cut Nami chopper and momonosuke. He says 'here comes a strong one then he sees how fast he is.
Luffy is way above the straw hats obviously hes faster than the whole crew.But Sanji specialises in a espionage speedster type of fighting .As a whole including reaction time and way fighting Sanji is faster
Without Haki is not possible to beat someone with strings that are razor sharp,Robin gets damage to herself whenever her extensions are attacked thus she can't defeat Doffy until she can use Haki
What's funny is that Usopp is the one person who could give doffy an aneurysm just by making eye contact with him. Usopp destroyed Doflamingo long before Luffy beat him.
It’s important to act knowledge both narrative and powerscaling in one piece. Because of power cliffing, every straw hat wins, but because of narrative the monster trio, Jinbei have a guaranteed win, and the other straw hats are plausible due to how strong the tobi roppo are.
Excuse me, I'm pretty sure Chopper would be able to body Doflamingo at this point. Doflamingo has nowhere the durability that Queen had, and Chopper was basically unstoppable for an entire half hour. Franky can also probably take Doflamingo assuming General Franky is in play simply due to durability. He has the range and the firepower that even the seraphim weren't equipped to handle.
I think you are forgetting two things with chopper vs doflamingo One, chopper doesn't use any form of haki, and I feel like this is necessary to AT LEAST fight the dude, especially since he has conqueror's haki Two, Doflamingo might not have the durability of a zoan, but he isn't a big target like queen who sometimes goofs around in fight. He is a great fighter in the air, and he could just use his devil fruit to attack from a distance, chopper couldn't do anything against that
Chopper has the worst match up besides usopp. He lacks the speed and haki to avoid getting 1 shot by his puppet strings. He is a big target with his monster point. He has no aerial attacks. And his ap is debatable since queen says he didn't even take him seriously.
And he destroys Franky too. Are you for getting that Doflamingo has the awakening? He has more than enough power to simply throw Franky around like a big toy
Honestly it depends where this fight takes place. I have Doffy at med-high diff on land and Jimbie at high difficulty if they're on the sea. It's the awakening that gives Doffy the edge for me
@@kidkouga92 Jinbei is stronger than Doffy, he smoked the strongest Tobiroppo member Who’s Who. Who’s who’s subordinate Ulti was clashing evenly with a base Luffy who was way stronger than the base or even gear 4 Luffy of the Dressrosa arc. Not only that Jinbei has tanked attacks from Mihawk,Big Mom and Akainu so his durability is also higher. Doffy was hurt by attacks coming from a way weaker version of Luffy compared to the raid on Onigashima.
@@kujo5001You've read one piece this long and you think a clash in base form means anything? Also, base Luffy at that point wasn't using acoc so there's no way he was stronger than his previous gear fourth form in any shape or way. Dofflamingo and Jinbei are both around the strength of Yonkous commanders. A fight between them would be high difficulty
@@egusisoup1826 Base Luffy in the raid on onigashima was miles stronger than base luffy in dressrosa. He never used ACOC in Dressrosa so that doesn’t matter he’d still be way stronger than his previous base. He knew the fight with ulti would draw out too much energy so he kept it pushing to take on kaido instead of using one of his gears to beat her. Basically a stronger base luffy would’ve needed a stronger version of his gear forms to take on Ulti compared to Doffy. Jinbei easily beat Who’s Who and he’s stated stronger than Ulti.
@@egusisoup1826 to me doffy is slightly stronger than jinbei, they were both warlords so their strenght should be pretty even, but I think doflamingo has more feats thanks to his df.
In regards to jinbe, hes not portrayed as quick, but he is well portrayed as a master martial artist, he doesnt need speed because he only needs minimal movmenets to dodge and counter. Atleast thats my view on how he fights. Also just put him next to a body of water and he becomes OP.
@@rubberman3226 bro, these days even Ulti is scaled about Katakuri due to Luffy's power-up in Udon I strongly doubt Ulti is more powerful than Who's Who, so if Jimbe is more powerful than Who's who, that's put him above Ulti and Katakuri
@@rubberman3226 here we go... Start of Wano, Gear 4th Luffy gets one shot by Kaido. At Onigashima, Base Luffy is clashing with Hybrid Kaido. Luffy's base form in Onigashima is MUCH stronger than his Gear 4th at the start of Wano Gear 4 Luffy at the start of Wano was stronger and faster than Katakuri Ulti was stronger than Base Luffy, he actually said he'd need to use Gear 4 on her (and his base form at Wano was already stronger than Katakuri) So yeah Ulti beats Katakuri, I don't like, it doesn't seem it should be that way, but that's just power-scalling
@@robchamp8556 luffys gear 4 was not stronger and faster than katakuri at the start of wano, maybe hes been training on the way there but not much stronger Ulti was stronger than base luffy but so was katakuri cus his base form at wano only polished his adv obv and learned adv arm so he would still need gear 4 against katakuri and luffy only started clashing with kaido in his base form because hes unclocked adv conq so no ulti is not that stronger maybe she could high-extreme diff him or the other way around but its still hard seeing one of the top commanders of big mom losing to someone whos role in the story just been chasing around foddermi and foddersopp
Remember brook had to fight big mom, and he did pretty good. I do realize that she wasn't trying to kill him and he had a good devil fruit match up but still I feel like he would do better than we think against doffy.
Since when are people scaling Brooke that high? Brooke hasn’t had a serious 1v1 that he’s won since the timeskip. He didn’t even match up against one of the Tobi Roppo. Sure, he showed a lot of resourcefulness in Whole Cake, showing stealth, infiltration, a good match of soul fruit abilities against Big Mom, and a lot of guts to stand up to her. But really nothing that would make me consider him even close to Doflamingo. We could give Brook all 3 types of Haki and even make him proficient in them, but he still lacks the strength, endurance, and durability needed. He would still be destroyed by Doffy.
@@bossrangoon3711I mean, if he could outspeed to the point where he could use 3 pace attack, with armament, I think he has a good shot, key word: COULD
Brook is so unique and versatile character you would always find him funny with his skull jokes but when he gets serious it's always badass with badass words and he always gives that fresh perspective even in fights ❤
yup its hard to believe esp considering we havent had a new crewmate since brook. which was like 700 episodes ago 💀💀 this is why oda isnt gonna add any more crewmates after jimbei
The amount of people that sleeps on jinbei's speed is crazy did yall not watch he keep up with whos whos soru plus the speed he gets from the neko neko
Brook moved fast enough that he cut Zeus in half when a serious Big Mom was standing on him, and big mom didn't even realize what was happening until aftrr zeus was cut. Yeah, I would put him ahead doffy.
We forgetting that Ussop, Nami, and Chopper would probably jump Doffy? I mean I know he’s strong, but is he really walking away from Monster Chopper (who can damage Queen’s Beast-Human form), Zeus, and Ussop’s sniping? If they beat Ulti as a group, I don’t see why they couldn’t beat Doffy too..because based on feats, Ulti is closer to a Sweet General than Doffy in terms of power and speed, and I don’t see him at that level.
Man it's time Oda start dropping some buffs on brook and Franky cuz Robin and nami already got pretty good power ups nami having her hands on Zeus and Robin with the devilish form where usopp as a sniper does his job and chopper had his rumble ball time extended 😕
I think Robin is the cutoff. Maybe Brook if he gets some better feats. I’d include Franky but he hasn’t gotten any buff whatsoever since the timeskip. Putting Franky above Doflamingo means that Franky would’ve been the second strongest Strawhat straight out of the timeskip which simply isn’t true. Love my boy tho, being Tobi Roppo level this whole time is impressive. Superrrr
Honestly brook is really underrated bro is REALLY strong like genuinely but he gets put off to the side often and hasn't gotten many insane fights Personally i believe brook is slightly bellow jinbei but he would either fight doffy to a draw or just barely scrape out a dub but thats just my opinion
Like im not gonna say chooper wins but he has enough strength to do it in his monster form chooper is honestly underrated like if he throws doflamingo like he did queen he isnt gonna take it as well as queen did but he probably aint catching doflamingo like that but i think he is atleast worth covering
Doflamingo in terms of power scaling always seemed in like the 750mil bountry range. In universe would prob be higher bcz of his underworld connections making him more of a threat to the government
Yeah I gave it to Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe probably and MAYBE Robin if you give her plenty of sleep and all that. It would be a close fight with robin probably dying, but I do think she can win, even if it is a slight chance.
Chopper perception blitzed sanji and queen (before ifrit) and speed=power so that gotta mean something Additionally, chopper made queen bleed with a simple punch while queen was taking all of sanjis named attacks.
We may have already known but after the last episode you can feel the pacing is going to be CRAZY fast, plenty of "what if" fights like this are going to be answered 😩👌
The problem is if doggy comes back it’s gonna be a 1 man army kind of ark mans cons use his awakening to make the ground string and have 1000 clones he won’t even fight each of them imbued with haki
Luffy, Sanji, Zoro - Yes Brook - speed yes, love your reasoning Jimbei and Franky - no, too honorable would protect a child that doflamingo targets, and get taken advantage of Robin - probably wins, gets a narrative touch of she was a puppet when she feared government or something Chopper - doesn't win, but doesn't get taken control of, or wins after he figures out how to break free. The command of his body is a huge reoccurring theme for him. I think he knows he's too weak and leaves it to someone else, so he can go heal up that recently saved dog. Usopp and Nami - both need a trap to win. One of these 2 is Pinocchio Jesus. And Nami is a pretty girl like viola and Rebecca. Maybe Nami's trap fails, but she at least gets a chance to set one. Long nose would get punished.
Jinbei at most mid diffs doffy realistically low diffs. Jinbei was able to block an attack from big mom and akainu pre wano and in wano he low doffed who’s who.
Doflamingo mid diffs Jinbei at best. He has no speed and no hax to complete with Doflamingo. Who's who is weak compared to Doffy, blocking 1 attack from Akainu or BM is NOT enough to put him above Doffy bruh
@@real_rutmen No speed?? Why are we acting like he slow when he reacted to an attack from katakuri, big mom, and akainu has doffy done that? Doflamingo is weaker than cracker there no way you’re saying he on the lvl of someone who blocked attacks from a big mom and akainu this is the same jinbei who also fought ace for 5 days straight. Doffy doesn’t have the feats.
I think people often underestimate usopp in the sense that if he knows enough about his opponent he can definitely beat them. Usopp is a huge strategist obviously he’s not going to win in a fist fight but much like we seen when he fought Luffy he’s very clever.
I think brook could considering he did not only hit big non he did good damage I don’t know if that really counts if that’s a solid feat bc she wasn’t right mentally
@Syv adding to your last point Shanks said he is expecting to see blackbeard in wano but blackbeard went to amazon lily.i think somehow Shanks knows Blackbeard is going after the remaining Rock's pirate.
Jack>Dolfamingo Tobi ropo==Dolfamingo Jinbe>>>>>>Dolfamingo Also note Robin isn't slow she's only slow in travel speed Jumping rage/speed movement speed but she very fast at reflex speed Combat speed Attack Speed reacting speed reacting speed
the problem in the anime is the timeskip which makes the old characters look completly weak so i think if doffy made a current comeback i think he would win against all except luffy
Pretty much all of the weak trio have ways to win against Doffy, it depends on if they use their best moves off the jump. Chopper has monster point, which considering the fact he drew blood from Queen twice in his dinosaur state a state that kept up with big mom in her base physical ability which outclasses Doffy in literally everyway. Also in pretty sure both Nami & Usopp can both beat him as swell Nami has Zues and has pretty powerful attacks. Usopp has his demon pop green that's acid would've killed ulti if page one hadn't freed her & keep in mind Ulti couldn't free herself despite her strength being above doffy's strings besides for his holy bullet strings.
Question, why didn't whitebeard's crew attack Impel down to free Ace since except for Magellan, impel down was quite weakly defended??? Backup would still take time to come, so I think it would be a easy W. I think it's a plothole...
Jimbei is fast in water and is also great to have now to save the devil fruit users when they fall in the water, Sanji takes care of the airborne enemies,
Current Zoro and Sanji with all their stats during and after Wano Arc can solo Doffy no diff. For Luffy, especially with Gear 5, it's like a walk in the park now if ever he faces off with Doffy again. For Boss Jimbei, I don't think it's a question, he can also solo Doffy no question.
