As a bass player it also doesn't feel gross playing in drop C compared to drop F# which requires new strings modifying the nut and cutting saddles on the bridge to accommodate a 165/170 sized string to help with the low F# so it's not a noodle and unfortunately unless you run a overly distorted tone pedals like the digitech drop sounds awful.
Okay what I’m hearing is that the Drop F# turns the riff into the main riff of a song from a songwriting perspective. You can build an entire song around it. In the Drop C it sounds like a bridge riff or something you sneak in to surprise people but you wouldn’t build a whole song around it.
It might be a psychological thing. You got so used to hearing it F# than when you heard it in drop C (which are tritones of each other), it sounded like a bridge part.
That’s the problem such low tuning. It’s so big that u can only use it as a Main riff. With a tuning like drop c u can make it a bridge or a main riff just by your dynamics how u hard or soft u r playing it
I respectfully disagree. Drop C is much better, Drop F# sounds cool... For 5 minutes. After that, you realize how muddy it is. Drop C has that clarity, as well as personality to it, highlighting the riff's details. You'd most likely have a breakdown in Drop F#, and build the song more on a sensible level.
That false start at 3:17 because of the video editing actually goes hard af...just the first 3 beats and then the riff kicks in. Immediately thought it was on purpose and loved it!
@@nickbroomhallmusic when you flesh out the rest of the song that can be the mini-turn around out of the “chorus” back into the riff before the next section 🤘🏻
I'm surprised you didn't start with the F# riff and then just modulate up to C. Playing them side by side is such a cool jump! Something to concider if this turns into a full song
Came here to say this lol. And even if it’s going to be played live at some point, there’s no reason you couldn’t have a second guitar set up on a stand that you can walk over to play it, and throw both guitars into a 1/4” splitter so they use the same signal chain.
I like low tunings but god I love Drop C for any notey riffs, such a great sounding tuning. Turns any djent riff into a Sumerian records worship riff (a good thing)
The Drop C version makes me think of old school Periphery. I love both versions too. You could have it both ways, with a couple of ideas: -First idea like others said would be to modulate up to C at some point with a slight riff variation for the second half of the song. -Second idea is to do either the bridge or interlude riff (when you figure out the next pieces) in C. Great video as usual and I love seeing your genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm while you're writing.
I should probably go to jail for this but that F# riff sounded like something that Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit would do. Reminds me of Full Nelson and Nookie. (2 songs where he used a weird custom 4 string baritone guitar in F#, that low F# was actually a bass string!)
DUDE both were super sick! you're a man after my heart, everything you've got going in logic sounds so good at recording stage, i need that template :D Defo love the stuff man, looking forward the the next CHONK CHUG!
Awesome! This is a great place to learn! Any recording questions you have, feel free to drop a comment on a vid and the community or I will likely give you an answer!
is crazy when in the creative process, everything sounds nice and you loved all the options haha, sometimes one riff bring to another, and I can't choose between'em
It would be interesting to see both of these versions made into a full song. I have a feeling that the different vibes just from the tunings would lead to different songs coming out of each riff.
Super random and unrelated, but are you sober? You seem like a sober homie, and I'm here for it. I'm just asking for a friend 😂 I feel like I come up with my favorite riffs when I'm tipsy but come back to my recordings sober and work with that moving forward. I'm not trying to shed a negative light on your content, I'm just trying to improve as a musician and as an overall human being. I love your work and aspire to improve myself. Thank you for these thick riff Thursdays. I have band practice these days too and its a nice precursor to practice/ just a nice thing to look forward to every week! Keep it up my friend!
Honestly I personally find it nice to layer real kicks with electronic kicks to give them some sub bass. I'm a big electronic fan as well as a metal fan, so when I hear a metal song with little to no sub-bass, even when it just has regular non-electronic instrumentation, I can't help but feel like it's just not as thick and crunchy as it could be. Bass and sub bass are important, never go cheap on those!
Sick riff man. I think the scale length and the pickups may also play a role in this comparison! The lengthier the scale the brighter the sound. Also the less EMG-ish and the more Seymour Duncan-ish the better. EMG fanboy here but, yeah, these kind of riffs sound insane with SDs
this was nasty!! when you tried to use the synth bass for the first time at 13:40 , my mind went to Daft Punk immediately 😀 as always man, huge inspiration!! I will try these things as well!
both tuning sound super sick. You should start with drop c riff, have sort of bridge and then play drop F# riff second. Cant wait to hear how that sound
I can’t play / write this kind of guitar parts but these videos are so inspiring and motivating, I have been binging them. Thanks! Even your website inspired me to make my own.
Watching at 5am because I always end up getting creative late at night and this is what I do for hours. 😂 + guitar proing everything so I dont forget. These videos make me feel less like a solitary songwriting guitarist when my band members are busy aha. My brain want the last phrase of the motif to change like a phrased run going melodically upwards to transition into some kind of low tune.
Sounds fairly Doomish. I feel you can make a good full song with this. Add a good sounding intro to compliment the F sharp tuning version, then have something groovy in between the F tuning version and C tuning(something similar to what you'd find a DOOM song like Meathook) then get a good chorus in there, back to the F sharp, then a part that allows people to calm down, then maybe a breakdown, back to the original riff with drop F sharp and C then get a good ending riff. This sounds amazing and has a lot of potential.
Drop F# just sounds gross in an amazing way, while the Drop C sound very crisp and progg, as you said. Sounds to me like a crazy retune mid song to throw in a key change. Maybe a breakdown in F#. Love it. Have two guitars, two tunings, and they'll switch which plays the lead when you drop the sound to F#.
I feel like both tunings are fire! I usually use F# myself lol. But doing drop c for the main riff and then having a drop pedal section where it jumps to F# towards the end of a track would be cool, since the drop c version feels natural! Kind of BOO vibes
I just found your channel randomly and I am really impressed, you are living my dream life making good music in a nice house with a cute dog, much love ❤
Forever wishing i could just plug my guitar in and start playing and it sound this good all together. Idk how yall make it sound so professional right off the bat without hours of tweaking D:
I keep my geetars almost exclusively in drop F# (and c# standard/ drop B for my 6 strings) something about the tuning just hits right for me. This was no exception
honestly it should modulate from f# to c. also i love how you show yourself playing the start of the riff over and over, rather than just showing the riff after you have it figured out.
YUP! Where did my socks go? Both sick but more for the drop C. I actually just wrote some dope lyrics that would go great with this sound called "Everybody uses Everybody" Song potential indeed!
Both sound really awesome. I dig drop f# more myself. But I'm actually curious to hear it in Drop B or Drop A. Just to see what something right in-between the 2 sounds.
i think the reason i like drop C is cause the bass frequencies are just in that realm where it hits harder through earbuds, i think i might love the drop F# if i could hear more sub
You know what would have been really cool? Drop F# and Drop C# together! They should (mostly) harmonize (with a frw adjustments for key/feel). But then you have two awesome, thicc riffs working together. Add in the synth, and you got a solid two-riffs-in-one.
Both sound sick, but the low notes sound like they drive the melody home in drop c, I feel like notes below A always have a tendency to feel “separated” from the notes in a higher register. It’s all aesthetic preference tho and it’s different for everyone. great video!
I think the drop C is so reminiscent of Born of Osiris. Its like the riffs are 15 years apart 😂 would have loved hearing it somewhere in the middle. Maybe drop A?
