I think one thing I like more about AoS, is that the storyline actually progresses meaningfully (if you do like keeping up with that sort of stuff). They aren't afraid to have major lore characters become actually defeated, destroying cities (with their own rules etc) in the background etc.
I agree, it’s nice to see major changes like that occur. The only issue I have as far as that goes is that (to me anyways) when a city is destroyed in AoS it functionally is the same as a planet getting destroyed in 40K. The way I see it because the realms are essentially infinite narratively speaking destroying a major location only matters so much. Like when a planet gets destroyed it’s a big deal but it probably isn’t gonna skate the narrative up much because unless it’s a once in a blue moon event like Cadia it will never even enough to cause the setting to shift. Being across the galaxy or the same segmentum as Terra doesn’t really mean much beyond the writer TELLING us it means a lot. With AoS the issue is similar. “A city got destroyed at the edge of the realm” and “a city got destroyed in another realm” narratively speaking aren’t that different; a big disaster happened but not somewhere that will make Sigmar and his Sigmarines lose any major ground permanently because then the war game wouldn’t exist.” I fully admit I could just be biased but compare it to fantasy where every location is solid and set and stone as opposed to “another realm of infinite size” and it feels a lot less significant. That could just be me though again, and for character deaths and lore like with Morathi and Khaine AoS definitely doesn’t hold any punches in a great way.
@@danmc9872 That's not what deux ex machina means. The realms have been a part of the setting since the beginning and their scale doesn't take away from the impact of story events
Thats gay. Its a tabletop game not a game-as-a-service. Give us a static setting and let us make our own stories. They killed the Bretonnians and Steel Legion. Two armies i wanted to play but can't now without using shitty third parties and non-canon rules.
Daemons are the best army. They’re easy to paint for beginners, have a lot of cool backstory and lore, and can be played in AOS, 40k, warcry, and kill team
@@lorgren4002 Lamenters chapter are all bros. The Space Wolves can be pretty good when they aren’t going full brutal Viking murderer, 50/50 shot really. Craftworld Iyanden is a pretty nice group for Eldar. Uhhhh, I guess the Tau? Compared to most others they’re pretty solid. Sort of mind control isn’t that bad compared to routine ethnic cleansing.
what really draws me into age of sigmar is, not just the fact it's still fantasy and i like fantasy, but it has the Forge of heroes for making a custom hero model. Like, that has so much homebrew and kitbashing potential i love it.
Probably should've pointed out that 40k is a very stagnant setting, even after 8th ed's changes, while interesting narrative events that can alter the world permanently occur on a somewhat regular basis in AoS
Yeah, there’s a few things I would’ve changed about this video. Maybe I’ll remake it later on; it was my first though and I’m still happy with it. I appreciate the ideas though!
If you want cool lore, go with 40k. If you want breathtaking models, go with AOS. Seriously they look amazing. They are also god damned cheaper than 40k.
I personal like AoS Lore a lot more. 40k seems like it regurgitates a lot of the lore across armies. Gets bland and repetitive, Seems like the devs on the AOS side are much more passionate with Lore and Models.
Wow, I am blown away by the quality and presentation of this video. This is exactly the type of thing you want to see as someone's "debut" on youtube. I have subscribed, and I hope that you continue to grow, as I love your analytical approach and sense of humor. Great work man, the beginning is difficult, but if you keep this level of quality up I have no doubt you'll go places.
As someone that has played 40k, fantasy and aos over the past 20 plus years. Currently own daemons they can be used in 40k (single army with solid allies) or aos (can be used as 4 different armies) and orks which are exclusively 40k. AOS is currently getting the most interesting development. It is also the most fun in terms of current game state. 40k has this strange feeling of stagnation, sort of like what fantasy had before they tossed it and hit the reset button, ushering in AOS. I don't think they want a 9th age repeat, but they need to put some serious effort into something beyond space marine lieutenants. The necron and dark eldar codices that have recently been released both indicate positive change. Although the dark eldar release is slightly blemished for stacking two dark eldar books ontop of each other.
I've played both games and gotten into the lore of them and personally i prefer the game system of 40k however they are both pretty much the same game with a few changes here and there. Also great work on this video i agree with everyone else when they say you should have more subscribers, great job.
It is nice that they’re similar, means you don’t have to have a degree in tabletop games or some crap to understand what the hells going on if you switch. And thank you! I can only hope it keeps growing like it has.
@@pancreasnowork9939 I mean... The learning curve for 40k is pretty steep. I started playing with Necrons in 7th ed. the hit and wound difference made my head spin, with the different weapon damage and different mode of fire...
3 best ways in my opinion: 1. Go Daemons of Chaos to be able to play in both worlds with one army. It can easily be expanded with the 4 different god subtypes or thanks to Bel'akor as Chaos Undivided in both games. Mix in mortals if you feel like getting specific AoS/40k stuff. It's pretty easy to go on after starting with it. Not to mention that Chaos Daemons alone have 4 different Start Collecting Boxes that give you huge savings. 2. Save on going Elite and you can cheaply start a decent Ogor Mawtribes and Adeptus Custodes Force at the same time. 3. Starter Set madness: Invest Starter Sets and get 4 armies (2 AoS and 2 40k) for even greater discounts. But be warned, as it is easy to get overwhelmed by the upcoming task of building and painting all this plastic. But then again, if you find someone to share the cost you both can get 1 army for each game for only 50% of the already discounted box set price. NICE! 4. Bonus idea, but kinda silly: Thousand Sons uses a lot of Arcanites of Tzeentch units, so you could basically built an army out of different shades of Tzaangors + Mutalith Vortex Beasts + Chaosspawn + Ogroid Thaumathurge/Daemon Prince Kitbashes. It can be used in both games and easily reinforced with more Tzeentch Daemons in both games. Or use Poorhammer and only play with stand-ins with friends or try some Wargames that don't care as much about models. For example, I have a Ratkin/Veer-myn force that I use for both Kings of War and Warpath. They even sell mostly the same ratmen models for both games, and I just got some cheap bases and magnets online and bam, now I can just change bases for each game but still use the same models. Nice 😎👍 Hope these ideas helped someone. But yeah, Chaos Daemons are most likely the best choice. Can use them 40k, AoS, KillTeam, Warcry, Warhammer 30k/Horus Heresy (as Daemons of the Ruinstorm) and even as Daemons in outside games that are not model bound (as Abyssials/Nightstalker army). It really would be hard to beat them in terms of usability for different games.
This is hard for me because I love the scfi esthetics of 40k but I also really like different races working together against a common foe and different cultures interacting with each other without going straight to violence which it sounds like AoS does.
me and my 12 year old daughter are playing Age of Sigmar. We're doing Stormcast and Nighthaunts. I LOVE it so far. The minis are so cool. It's a good bonding experience with my daughter.
When I got into the hobby I decided to go with Age of Sigmar because of the Aztec Dinosaurs (I mean come on). We were still in 1st edition growing pains but I wasn't aware of the vitriol that was happening online. Thankfully that hate has died down with 2nd edition and the game's community is much more healthy so if you hear about Age of Sigmar being bad on the internet odds are it goes back to 1st which did start on a bad foot. But the game has recovered greatly and I am having fun with it. I enjoy the more laid back nature of the game. And it looks like 3rd edition will be just around the corner. I have started getting into 40k but I'm still in the process of painting my tyranids so it may be a while before I can fully play. I had an 8th edition codex but the rules just seemed confusing to me but I haven't looked at 9th yet. I figure though once I get a few games in this won't be a problem.
I have a similar issue with the rules of 40k. The rules are extremely bloated, to the point that I dont think it is possible for them to expmain it simply. I decided for this reason to play my own, stupidly simplified version, and honestly, (mind you this is only MY opinion) I think that re-rolls are one of the biggest problems. Again I ain't slamming GW for their game system, but I feel like bolt-action's alternative activations and no re-rolls is a better system. (Then again, bolt-action IS still only in 2nd ed, so I can only HOPE they dont mess anything up in the future.)
This is an awesome video, was completely surprised at how few subs you have, I was expecting like a few thousand based on the quality. You earned a new sub, I'm thinking of getting into AoS and this was great to help
@@pancreasnowork9939 I still have no idea which army I'm gonna go for, I'm probably not actually play with them, just paint them up but I've narrowed it down to Sylvaneth, Fyreslayers, Idoneth Deepkin or the Lumineth Realm Lords
Glad to hear it! And damn, I should be taking advice from you. Can’t speak from experience but must be interesting to see the hobby change over time, huh?
@@pancreasnowork9939 honestly 40k has remained mainly the same, I'm really glad to see it get more and more popular though, fantasy to AoS was a weird change for me and took me a while to get on board, but now honestly I prefer it to 40k in lots of ways. Idoneth Deepkin is easily my top 3 warhammer factions ever
As someone who went all in AOS as a newbie a month ago…… thank you. Dominion box set and a start collecting kharadron overlords box has me busy and the lore is great!!
Excellent work, really well put together and engaging throughout. I'm thinking of getting back in to playing one of these, after not playing since my teens. Still not quite decided (I used to play fantasy) but, either way, spending some time painting models again seems a nice escape at the moment!
I got into it all through the Total War games, I really wish I was around for fantasy now that I’m into it all. And no kidding, painting models is a great way for some sanity nowadays!
How do u play them tho? Do u have friends or something? When and how do u play them? Do u invite some stranger off the internet into your home? Like...how?
@@theemperor1379 the best way to start would be to go to a games workshop store. Unfortunately they mostly only let you purchase the minis and paints currently, but when things start opening up again you should be able to play games of Warhammer against the people in the store and just hang out in general. And of course if you know a few friends who are/want to get into the hobby then you can always invite them over to play.
@@pancreasnowork9939 lmao. That's a bit hard to do. I live in Sweden and the only games workshop store exist in the South one in Stockholm and one in Gothenburg iirc. That's like 5-6hr drive lol. 400-500 km. Not that possible.
Love your take. I am a 40k Ork player looking for new ways to burn money so why not AoS orks too??? Haha fantastic video, great humor. Laughed out loud at some of your descriptions. Liked and subbed brother. WAAAAAAGH!!
Choice has never been an option! 40k, Age of Sigmar, Blood Bowl. Necromunda. It's all Warhammer! Life is too short to waste on anything else. Oh, the Old World and the new Horus Heresy are still coming ...
Always love 40k and WHFB lore and setting but I never got into the tabletop games because I don’t see myself sitting down and painting the figures.... poorly too probably. Kinda wish they had an option to buy them prepainted so some can just hop in and play. Though I understand people love painting and customizing their figures.
You could buy second hand models already painted for relatively cheap on eBay if you’re interested enough. There’s also people that will paint them for you though that’ll cost you a bit if you want to go that route. Might even assemble for you as well.
I highly recommend if you like daemons I would say get a start collecting box for them That way you can try both games out and see which you rather and if you ever want to try it out again you can still use your daemons
For now, it’s 40,000. I’ve started collecting Raven Guard (Codex compliant chapter) and managed to build a decently sized Incursion force so I’m moving onto Dark Angels (Non Codex compliant chapter) and Drukhari (Xenos). If and when I do get into Age of Sigmar, it’ll be for those Daughters of Khaine (Order), but even in Britain plastic crack is already expensive enough for one who is collecting 3 armies.
Your wallet must be like a revolving door; exactly as it should be, well done. The Vermintide and the space elves keep me perfectly bankrupt myself, and I'm sure the edgy eldar and the clown brigade aren't far behind.
I’ve been a fan of Warhammer for a long time and I’ve played a lot of Dawn of War and Total Warhammer, but only recently I’ve decided to get into the actual tabletop games. I’m more well versed in the lore and setting of 40k, but I understand AoS is better for someone who’s new to tabletop wargames. I have a general idea of what faction I’d start as in either setting, but I don’t really have the funds to expend on multiples armies at this point. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Beyond “Fantasy vs Sci-Fi,” I think I might go with 40K if you want more people to play against. By that I mean in my experience there’s a few more people that play 40K than AoS. Check with your local game store first of course. As for rules I believe AoS is a bit simpler like you said, but given how complex both of them are I’d say the issue of which one is more complex isn’t one that’s worth affecting which game you go with.
like i jokingly told my warhammer store guy, any universe where dudes that can set you on fire with their mind and fly around on magic frisbees is not scifi
My solution: Kit Bash & Homebrew Have the best of both worlds! But as much as I love the hi tech stuff in W40k; Orks, Tau, Space Marines, Astra Milatarum, Khorne, Tyranids, Necron, Mechanicus Custom made... stuff Warhammer Fantasy scratches my itch with the Race variety I like; Beast Men, Lizard Men, Skaven or Dwarven Engineers - because Engineers are something every Fantasy needs - blending Fantasy & Scifi with Engineering Although, that technically can also exist in W40k...
For the game and ease of starting an army:40k For the superior model sculpts and imaginative concepts: Age of sigmar Though AOS demons toe the line as they can be used interchangeably
I'd, disagree. AOS is actually about as deep imo due to the importance of positioning and playing the field compared to 40k. I'd say the big difference is AOS is a melee wargame with shooting and a focus on positioning, while 40k is a shooting wargame with melee and a focus on army building and threat assessment.
Got to honesly say that moth for models and lore AOS is just better. Main problem with 40k is how small it is. It's just imperium and a little but if chaos with almost everyone else forgotten. That's not the case with AOS.
This is absolutely awesome, if you take requests it would be funny to have you do any kind of Genestealer Cult video, since they have some common mechanics with Eldar
Appreciated! And I take them into consideration yes, the only thing is that I don’t want to make a video on an army I’m not too familiar with. Lore is no issue, but I’d like to play against them first as well. That being said if I can make a video for all factions like I did the Eldar than I will ASAP!
Vermintide 2 got me into Warhammer but not with Rogue Trader it’s starting to consume me. I’m dangerously close to shelving all my Pathfinder stuff and trading my kidney for some Warhammer figs
Total war got me into Warhammer. Then Vermintide 2 got me addicted to the fantasy universe and got me into the lore. Not that I like 40k less(it's cool), fantasy just feels right to me.
Speaking of DnD, I read about a DnD campaign someone played that turned out to be the backstory setup for a Rogue Trader campaign bringing into Rogue Trader the companions and world from the DnD game he had played. He completed the campaign and a dropship came down and someone came out telling him he was the heir to a Rogue Trader dynasty. It was pretty awesome.
They’re good guys by the standards of Warhammer, which has such a fucked morality system that it doesn’t mean anything. Like imagine the T’au (mind controlling, caste system, expansionist and all that good stuff) in Star Wars or something and you’ve got the bad guys right there. Granted that’s more recent lore; old lore yeah they were just the good guys with vagina foreheads.
Peraonaly ive been falling out of love with 40k since 8th started and then stopped after 9th and aos seemed to simple in its statblocks for what i was after to i went and started playing 8th edition fantasy with my uncles of vampire counts then started collecting ogres and then moved over to army project and im loving it
I started getting into Warhammer about 8 years ago and back then, I just thought AoS was way cooler, because I liked the classic fantasy touch more than the future stuff. Because of that I bought and painted A LOT of AoS models. But well now I am thinking about buying some 40k too. I mean AoS doesn't have big ass tanks and cool robots and shit.
Very stupid question perhaps but new to Warhammer and want to get into the game. Can the 40k and AOS armies play against each other? Or are you limited to one or the other?
Not generally, though if you play Chaos Daemons you could use your collection/army in both games. They'll have different rules and the army will probably be structured differently, but Chaos Daemons exist across the two settings
@@geezer5507 ah I gotcha, and I’d love to make videos like that. I want to play some more Warhammer games before I start doing them though, to make sure I know what I’m talking about.
I personally think that it’s good to begin with AoS and rather stay with it or move on to 40k when you have enough experience. AoS is also better if you are on a budget or aren’t willing to spend too much on warhammer yet.
I used to not like Stormcast Eternals because of what happened in End Times but as I've learned more about em, and that they kick ass with Lizardmen on the side, is pretty awesome. Also Hamilcar Bear-Eater exists, and he's a fucking chad in Sigmar's holy image.
I would probably like AOS more if the fantasy characters didn't return or were delt with differently and if the world building was better.. to me AOS just seems to be diet Warhammer.. Every time I think about getting into AOS I remember what they did to the old fantasy characters and it just pisses me off.
for anyone wanting to use a GW army that can play any of their games and be used as good proxies, get a melee focused Ork amy. the fuckers are in the games from bloodbowl to deathwatch and depending on which games you want to get into, you might be able to get away with less then a dozen units. Fair warning though, they're a horde army and GW gives prices like they think they're selling liquid gold
I collect both 40k and AoS, and I can safely say that at the moment AoS is a more enjoyable game. It also branches into Warcry, which is the best ruleset GW has made since Epic.
I forgot to ask, you know that age of sigmar and 40k has meet one each other like are a few artefacts what are technology from 40k and a high elf has enterd in the warp and observed a giant knight who destroyd a horde of nurgle will blue fire.
I prefer 40K more because I can understand the setting more and the map of the galaxy. AoS is mixed. I despise how once-loved characters had whole novels written about them are reduced to generic lord 58, and that nations and cities have little to no lore or the staying power of milk. And don't get me started on the maps. The feff am I looking at?! Whenever they decide to make new units, they're amazing.
You know, thinking on the ending descriptions, I realize something. 40K is best suited for if you prefer darkness and sheer possibility while AOS offers glimmers of light and more structure. In other words, 40K is more suited to those who favor the nihlistic doom of Chaos and AOS the relative nobility found in order factions.
You’re very much right. There were two reasons: one is that truthfully at the time of uploading this video I was only so familiar with the rules for either game, and two I wasn’t sure I wanted to get too into specifics for rulesets even if I did know them really well.
