@@trin74 depends on skills and what you are aiming to do, personally I like to use snubs, with decent skills you can make short work of drones and most brawling frigs, I've seen a lot of people go with med missiles or rapids.
I believe every ship has its ups and downs and each weapon is equal in some sense, each weapon has a counter that works well. Like amarr is weak to rails, caldari and minmitar are weak to amarr, gallente is weak to caldari. It’s almost like Pokémon in the type advantages.
On drone boats it’s a good one - two punch too, knock the shields down with lasers so when the Valks get on target they have armor and hull to slice through! Also when missiles hit max range they are done, when lasers hit optimal and start falling off, there’s “always a chance” for unexpected range damage.
Omg missiles, i remember when peeps were flying only caracal ships, now drone ships with missiles are the best, i love my gila with torps orbit at 8km in pve they are deadly.
It took a while for me, starting with cannons and eventually trying all other types, but just thru this trial-and-error-reskill process, I realize that I have kept exactly drones, lasers, and missiles trained... I agree on all points! This would have been it... Until I got my hands on a Vindicator, which I'm finding has terrifying dps using railguns and amazing application due to web bonuses. Great video and spot on, Benzie!
I am very curious how you would fit it, mostly rigs. I went em/thermal/burst, and targeting/ccc/polycarbon. Met someone last night who went all dps, not sure if I'm playing too safe. To your point, BS in general seem to be a different ballgame: very large cap, 3 cruisers-worth of ehp (1 ea for shield, armor, and structure), and so many mod slots make them extremely versatile and perhaps less obvious to fit (especially low slots).
I fly drones and after trying all the other weapons in high slots i settled for strike cannons due to the lack of cap used and the range they can get. I even use small strike cannons on my Tristan so I can stay past 20km. As far as short range variants, I hate using them all. Did a test using large short range and long range vs the Gallente Velator sitting still. Missles did the best but both rapids and standard hit for less than 20dmg. The turret based systems did better damage but had less than 20% accuracy which allowed the civilian armor repairer to keep up with the damage most of the time. The test was done with no rigs, mods, or skills in the weapon systems using an Armageddon at 5, 10, 20, 30, and 50 km. I found the results to be quite interesting. When I had the Velator orbit the Armageddon with no AB only the rapids were able to touch it and only barely. My favorites are small rifled rails, medium missles, large strike cannons. Lasers are too cap hungry for me but they are deadly and I hate facing them on the field.
I think everyone expected Drones, the prophesies and domis running around in droves really sell it, but wasn’t expecting lasers to come in second. I run them cause their ships are beautiful, but thats just me 😂
@@captainbenzie I agree, even pre-buff thought they were great. Just ended up drones due to survability reasons but now that armor is buffed, many amarr ships may be strong enough once again to return back to peak viability for some of the harder tear content.
I like how people don't rate lasers, it makes them really cheap for c-types. A lot is highly subjective of course but lasers also have some really nice faction ships, and two pirate factions to choose from. There only downside is the cap use, but once your skilled in engineering skills this is less of an issue, there rapid rate of fire can really chew up targets.
Lasers and drones? Captain I dare say you are sounding quite the undercover Amarrian. But seriously I have to agree, as someone who has respecced into every weapon system and experienced them all, lasers are my top choice. Their application is amazing and they seem to just get better and better the larger you go. As a missile main, this is purely for min max purposes. I fly frigates, bombers are frigates, I'm getting longer BCU time on all of my small ships that way.
I think missiles are superior to lasers both in long range and close range variants. I also think rails are better overall than lasers too. So missiles, drones, rails, lasers and cannons would be a much more realistic.
I absolutely love Medium Snubnose Railguns. My Moa Supertank does serious damage and orbiting up close is never a problem when I web my targets to a crawl. Just my few cents Captain.
This time I got nothing to add. I completely agree with u on all points. Btw after using all systems I’m working with missiles drones and lasers (and ok small rails but I think I’m gonna leave these)
I think drones HAVE to have lower dps to make up for the sheer versatility they offer, as well as the fact that you're also putting a second weapon type on the ship as well. Drones + Missiles = are we really that low on dps now considering we're also too far away for much to even hit us??
@@judgemanny9316 Because I can't fit them on my Algos small power grid at the moment. Maybe if I train my expert destroyer engineering and rig for a larger power grid they'll fit?
I have pretty much always used only rails and very frequently lasers. They are the best, IMHO. In EO, I preferred lasers for all of the same reasons, but also because they didn't require ammo. Sansha and Blood Raider ships are also terrifying.
Yeah has a hard time in fixing whether to go with cannons or drones but atlast sticked with drones , benzie if possible can u make a new Armor vs shield and best ships and comparison for drones since after the last buffs and nerfs it would be helpful to decide
A rule of thumb when you're flying a battleship in Eve online and or Eve echoes is always fit medium or small drones or have them in your cargo bay just in case Joseph a frigate warps in NetZero is basically over unless you fit small or medium drones or just so happen to have close-range high tracking guns and are fast but that point you're not flying a bubble battleship your you're flying a battlecruiser I don't know about you Eve echoes but very few battlecruisers have dronebase or have bonuses for drones with a few notable exceptions but most battleships have a drone Bay or ( launch tubes)
This list is highly subjective, personally missiles are #1 for frigates (Condor interceptor is very good as it can actually hit stuff while using a MWD) where as drones #5 due to the fact that they are only 2 frigates that use small drones. I also think cannons are under rated due to the fact that they don't use cap to fire, that's a nice advantage. Drones I hate due to having to wait for them to do their thing but I agree they are pretty good, and you can swop damage types which makes them ideal for pve. My number one, is Lasers, (unsurprisingly as I fly a Ashimmu and want to get a Bhaalgorn for their terrifying DPS and interesting play style). Drones, I find boring, though they are fun on a Arby Cov Ops and presumably the SoE ships when they are finally released, but I like them more due to their sneak and kill play style rather than the weapon type per se. Now if only we had stealth fighters, small frigs that could uncloak and harrass people with lasers/rails or cannons. That would be awesome.
@Captain Benzie, do you think this ranking still holds up after the faction drones were added and the May 2022 balance changes? Curious if any of the positioning shifted in your opinion.
lmfao i whould say decomposers are garb. i once killed a can yue in my slasher 2... SLASHER 2 like wtf lol i was double webbed and that guy still couldent hit me xD
@@captainbenzie Great idea!! I ope you can solve some problems during ISK farmining in anoms. I started with sentry drones, but my accuracy was awful. Then I started to use sentry and med drones at the same time. It was still disappointing. So I fitted Target Painter. It works better, I think.
I'm a drone pilot but on paper cannons make a lot of sense to me. Great tracking, great range and minmatar / angel ships are the fastest ships in the game.
Which system am I over trained in? Missiles. Which one am I furiously training-up to catch-up, right now? Yep, drones. Can we go back to disagreeing please captain?! 😁
Ah, there is a point of contention after all - albeit a relatively small one. I'm currently winning with medium or small *torpedos* ... yes, torps. I do think they've been much maligned. True, I won't be touching the larges (unless I have a capital to kill!) Small have excellent application, just make sure you have solid prop and tackle to maintain range. Same with mediums, though it helps to rig for explosion velocity (flare catalyst) and radius (rigor catalyst) for best results!
If you're having free skill points available then i would suggest you skill up into the Dominix as it would be capable of doing both PvE and PvP and a little gives a little dent on your wallet however loosing a Gila haha😆 your fu*ked
@@raghavs.a630 I agree with you but still got over 100 days till T9. Was contemplating going the other route though and saving up for faction battleship now that I'm T8 but more than likely, I may still reach T9 before I can afford one of those, so dominix may still happen eventually.
I disagree with Large Strike cannons, I have my lg cannon and lrg cannons upgrades leveled up 5/5/3 and I sit back between 100-170km and I 1 shot cruisers and frigates and with a few tracking computers on it helps to destroy anything that comes near my tempest.
Pith Med torp on cyclone ore drake are insane in pve... I kill even frigates very well. But now i ll hit t9 and i have no idea what to go for next.. Very tempted to go tornado2 as i need to train just large canons... But also raven is tempting.. Any advice for a highsec carebear?
Personally given future content/a certain scanning update to come The Raven with Large Rapid Missiles is your best bang for your buck/training time in all categories Large Rapids on a Raven literally laugh off any frigate and the Raven's tank potential from a solo standpoint is monumental compared to its fellow BS
Raven is very strong, and has probably the best tank in game out of all the non faction ships. The Typhoon II (At T10) is also very strong so you cant really go wrong if you want to stick with missiles.
Problem with EE is that it is "biased" toward shields sue to their decision how modules are fitted. Due to that it is always more beniitial to use shield tank instead of armor. This screws up cannons. Because of that lasers are best for dmg application. Having said that this all falls apart in pvp :)
I can't agree anymore with your thoughts. Drones are perfectly well balanced as they are currently having a bit lower dps. But in the near future in several months, we will eventually get the faction drones! I can't wait to see it on my ships. I really love the lasers after I am using Bhaalgorn, but I am curious to use the railguns in the future in the destroyers which is my next goal =)
Agreed with Benzie, we could use more Railgun Cruisers, period. I love Railguns, but if I want a DPS cruiser to fit them I’m SOL until the Vigilant after T5/6. Sure the Moa and Thorax can fit Rails, but they have lackluster weapon slots when compared to the DPS cruisers. I just wanna fly a DPS railgun cruiser man
Lasers are great, until someone with a Thorax gets tired of your BS, blasts you in half, and thrusts away with barely any damage taken. Railguns are great until you realize Gallente ships, even frigs are the elephants of space. Cannons are great. Drones are reliable at all times, until they are destroyed. Missiles are godly
@@captainbenzie I see 6 mid roll ads, which is unusual on your videos. I've noticed yt have been sneak loading extra ads onto a lot of the content creators videos I've watched the past few days.
@@captainbenzie oh...i cant aproach those ships on adv. missions in my vni. Ill just Play when all drone skills will be learned in...next year i guess:)
Small railguns and small missiles are 5/5/4 operation and upgrade! Working on my Small Drone skills now, in hopes that we'll get more Frigates to use them on in future. I went back into my Destroyer skills for my Assault Destroyers! I love those ships, and now that my Frigate and core skills are all 5/5/3 and above, I need something to be progressing on. I've been looking at the Destroyers recently(finally found time to do something besides work). It seems they aren't completely terrible. The few buffs they got to speed and tank DID help, but whether it should be more or not, is debatable. The Interdictors losing high slots, was a kick in the balls, but I get it. They're there to perform a specific role, which they can do pretty well, for the price. I didn't understand why the Command ships got 5 high slots at first, but then I realized how targeted those Destroyers would be in battle. I think overall, Destroyers could still be better, but on the topic, I do have two great weapon options in rails and missiles! Working on the Drones now.... 😔 Anyway, Fly Aggressive
@@captainbenzie Any chance you're gonna be doing more Frigate and Destroyer pilot videos in the future? Could really use the help now that so much has changed? I plan to use Assault Destroyers a lot for solo hunting, and was wondering if something like a Talwar or Algos Assault can kill a Solo Cruiser with the right skills and circumstances? Expecting great future content bro! Fly aggressive o7
well didnt think youd actually say drones are the best weapon system lmao but they really are. we get screwed as drone pilots but i guarantee we die the least
Ye I’m sorry on the one benzie but highly disagree with this list here. I realise each to there own but I don’t think u ve given cannons or missiles enough consideration here compared to other weapons systems and lasers should definitely have been number 5.
Missiles and cannons are very good choice for those who are flying a Drake or cyclone. These ships are excellent for both PvP and PvE but take the Shield tanking into consideration and if you have a battle between a harbinger and Drake or harbinger vs cyclone you know your already in dangerous fight i think the ship's themselves are the problem not the weapons
@@captainbenzie ok I didn’t want to give the why as it would be long winded so here goes..... small strikes r perfect for the dramiel. Means u can orbit outside scram/ web range and hold somebody till dps turns up. I can take down cruisers with that setup no problem. The tracking on the autos is the best hands down which means combined with all the minmitar speed they rule at speed tanking which you can’t pull off as well in the other races vessels. I’ve even designed a strike fit cynabal that insta pops inties. I admittedly don’t fly larges so can’t comment on thier usefulness. Missiles r just all round badass for dps since it gets spread across the damage classses and always applied so no worry about tracking. With the right setup on my bellicose covert ops I can pump out the same dps as a poorly fit battleship. Plus missiles allow for a huge range of fitting options depending what you are up against. The “nerfs” only brought missiles back on line with the other weapons. Twin rapids are still perfectly capable of taking out frigates. They just give you so much more options. Plus with today’s warfare being all about capacitor after the last update, running weapons that don’t draw is a massive bonus.
@@captainbenzie also sorry I should say I do love your videos for explainers so not trying to be negative at all so I’m not going to dis on the other weapon types. Drones though seriously struggle against a speed tanker unless they can web you and even then the dps is weaker than other weapons and they are the only weapon type that can be destroyed. Admittedly you can just have a massive drone bay but that isn’t going to help if I can just keep blowing them up... ur going to run out of drones and I’m not going to run out of bullets/missiles
Lasers #5 Interesting... I like them as they tear through the shield meta. Ships like the Ashimmu, Cruor and Succubus are also really fun to fly. Then there is the 2000+ DPS monster that is the Bhaalgorn.
@@beng7845 yes and the harby can be pretty dangerous but I would counter that the beams hardly get used as the tracking is terrible. Way more tornados out there than oracles. Also they struggle at what I would call mid range 25-30 km as the falloff is quite short. The ashimu is a good ship pvp wise but mainly for the ewar. Again everybody will always have their favourites so nobody is really wrong or right... unless you say decomposes are number one.....and it just depends how you like to fight... I should really applaud the cap though for coming up with a video that will get large amounts of engagement.
