Today The IRC Tire Guy Does a side by side comparison of Gas Vs Electric. Which will last longer, a full tank of gas on a Sherco 300 Vs 100% battery on the EM E Pure?
Interesting video! It’s not so much about 1 a tank of gas vs 1 battery tho. For me it’s that you can fill up your tank endlessly but can’t afford two or more batteries to bring with ya
Good to see a honest review of this bike. Another channel I follow also reviewed it and completely pooped on it, but he was trying to ride it like a dirtbike. Obviously that's not it's intended use.
Yeah. I think that was the Dirt Bike Channel. They guy literally made a fool of himself and I unsubscribed from his channel because he chose to be an idiot on the topic.
I was surprised the gas trials bike ran out that quick. I have a Vertigo 250 and it lasts awhile on a tank. Like you said though 4+ hours of continuous drills is more than enough. Great that electric bikes have come this far. They would be great for someone who wants a practice bike they can ride in a populated environment.
the bottom 20% will have lower power and the top 20% can theoretically have more power, but the electronics may or may not limit it. The effect will be more extreme the closer you are to the edges. Look up "voltage vs SOC lithium battery curve". Also for best battery life try to avoid those bottom and top 20%. the bottom of the charge and the extremes are more damaging. 1595 is pretty gentle on them while still giving you most of the range. Store at 50% when not in use.
Another sweet video on the Epure. Love it. Keep up the great videos! Personally I am working towards double blips on the Epure. Looking forward to your videos
Thanks for the great content, Rich! I'm impressed with the battery life. What a cool bike. I'd like to see the comparison with a 250 or 300 four stroke (I own both). Hopefully the EMs get more affordable with time, so I can ride a used one someday. With patience, good used trials bikes can be found.
For those newer to EV’s and don’t quite get the reason the batteries can charge quickly at first then slow down but, think of charging like stuffing a sleeping bag into a stuff sack. The first 50% goes in quick, as the sack fills the resistance goes up and it get more challenging and takes more effort to stuff more of the sleeping bag in. The cells in the battery pack work much in the same manner, obviously a grossly simplified explanation.
I found this video to send to my mom because I was telling her how I’m getting one of these and wanted to show her what trials is. How did I miss this before? I’m a huge fan of the guest rider! I hear he’s pretty good on a sport bike.
I like the sound of the E-Bikes way better. I run the dogs on the golf course after hours. I've been doing it for 4 years now. I wouldn't get away with it for 4 days with the gas bikes.
As someone in the auto industry, I can tell you it's not how long / far the battery goes. It's how long it takes to get you back going that matters. Plus, the lifespan of batteries are still relatively short. Give me combustion please 😁
Nice comparison & test. Charging in under 2 hours is GREAT!!! I did notice your rear tire didn't bulge much at all when you rolled over the top of those boulders. Was that at 4psi? Which rear tire? Keep up the good work with the EM! :-)
Super interesting comparison! I am looking to buy my first trials bike, and might go electric after watching this. Do you have any idea how many kilometers you could ride this machine on a single track trail?
That's cool, but it takes a total of 2min to put another tank of petrol in the ICE bike... While the electric bike is a great single day bike, I'd be a bit nervous at a 2 day trial.
Absolutely. That is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Fair enough, definitely proved that point! We're edging ever closer to a full weekend of entertainment from electric, that's my only hold out as I tend to travel to ride :-)
I guess, the difference is now down to charging times, do you want to wait 2 hrs to charge or fill up in 5 mins, biggest advantage for gas is you can carry fuel, but you need to get EV to home to charge
One big advantage is not the CO2 exhaust. Ride the electric a few miles and you should be leaving out less CO2 to make up the CO2 on battery production.
Gas bike: Full tank of gas 1 minute; Gas up at the pits or anywhere you want; bring extra fuel with you for al all day trip; lighter; more snap; quiet enough; no batteries!! E-bike: charge at home for at least an hour; quiet; adequate trials bike; two years from now it could be obsolete with parts and support. Conclusion: if you have a gas trials bike, keep it; if you want a new one, consider the e-bike. If your trials bike is going to sit for a year or longer like it can, get a gas bike.
In the RC (remote control) world, the gas rc cars are way behind the electric rc cars. The gas cars are more nostalgic now and take a lot more "tinkering" just my opinion.
Rode my escape r this past weekend with the PRB lever (which I use all the time instead of my rear brake), and by the time I was worn down and ready to call it, my battery was at 50%.
Hi Rich, Great video! I've been watching your hard enduro videos for a while and always wondered if you had a trials bike. Do you have a gas trials bike that you practice on?
1) The EM trials bike will last longer than most riders have stamina to ride. A typical trials event is 4 - 6 hours but there is lots of downtime and it isn't straight riding all day. 2) For those that do have the stamina to ride more than 4 hours, this comparison stops making sense because the gas bike can be refilled as necessary. 3) On a typical competition loop it'll be 1 - 3 miles of riding. I will refill my gas bike every other loop just to be safe but probably could go 3 and maybe all 4 loops without refueling. With the EM I'd obviously not need to refuel the bike at all. Time in the pits would be purely taking a break. This won't apply to most of your audience that is just using a trials bike to practice for hard enduro. 4) Maintenance may be easier on the EM. No carb tuning, oil and coolant changes etc.Though you still have chain, brake/clutch system maintenance. Just charge and get on and ride. 5) I hope EM comes up with a better battery replacement solution. While not necessary on a new bike, used bikes with lots of cycles will need a new battery which is currently 50% of the cost of a new bike. Ouch. That hurts resale.
Quinn Wentzel rode the expert line last year at a Nationals round on EM and ran out of battery. Next round he brought spare batteries and finished well. The last TKO had an electric class and many were on EM and reported 60% battery after 12 mile race. The Surron Storm Bee ran out of juice. A better test would be a trials riding day with lengthy connector trail riding. In my experience with that kind of riding it is easy to run out of gas before you run out of energy.
My buddy and I had a competition this past weekend and at 4 hrs he was out of juice in his 23 EM. But it was interesting he road about a mile back to the truck at 0%.
Difference is Jerry can just fill up and ride full throttle again. My normal enduro bike was getting the suspension redone so i rode my trials bike with my enduro friends all day. Ran three tanks of gas through it bringing gatorade bottles full of mix gas in my pack. Good luck riding all day on a E-bike.
Yes that is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe. In fact, in more testing I’ve done, it’s nearly two tanks of gas on a trails bike. Which is great. I own both and there’s a place for both machines.
It'isnt an problem when your low batterie, I think it important to have 25 -30 percent and not less cause it's damageable... Am i in error? Thank you, good continuation, very interresting yours vidéos
So chalk that up as a downside for electric - variable power output based on battery level. Depending on the rider's demands, some might find it lacking even at 30%. Along the same lines, the downside of the ICE bikes is variable weight based on fuel level.
Electric is very nice in a populated area where you can ride without noise issues. It is great in the city or in camp grounds with electrical hookups. I have a Surron and problem is out in area’s without electricity. Goes about 30 miles then out of juice, takes 2-3 hrs on a generator to charge. Pointless to have electric with generator and I do not bring Surron to somewhere like that. My 22 KTM 300 xcw is great for the outdoors, harder to ride in populated areas. The key take away, whatever bike allows me to be out riding!😊
Is that the race version? If not you are comparing the longest lasting weakest power model vs the most fuel inefficient model of the sherco. The 125 sherco would be a better comparison.
Yes the gas will win that test. This test was more to disprove the misconception that the battery on these machines only last an hour maybe two. Shows batteries are improving with 4-5 hour run times.
Does the EM have a percentage that you shouldn't go below to protect the battery or is it all in the battery management? My RC stuff has a cutoff circuit that won't let you completely drain a battery.
The batteries will have a BMS built into them. This will cut power when the voltage drops low enough. The inverter will also have a low voltage cutoff programmed in as well, I would guess it’s set higher than the BMS as a safety precaution. Voltage sag will also have an effect, that’s likely why the inverter is programmed to reduce power below 10%. The BMS takes care of cell balancing during charge and is likely an active balancer as well during operation.
Yes that is true. My focus for this video was more putting to rest a misconception that these bikes only last an hour to two hours. The run time is much longer than most believe. In fact, in more testing I’ve done, it’s nearly two tanks of gas on a trails bike. Which is great. I own both and there’s a place for both machines
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Boris's Sturgeon Bonanza...Moscow! I'll, um, meet you there...🤥 My big eating days are over, I'm already fat, but at next year's Prescott endurocross, I'll take you to a place. But you gotta bring a bike because the "no way you can get me to pivot turn with Flintstone legs challenge" still exists...😂
The thing is when he runs out all he has to do is grab a can and fill it up, you have to find power and wait. Very cool video idea. Now if you had a few extra batteries you could swap out in a few minutes that would be cool
Very nice. Still leary going all in with one of these bikes, then realizing the battery is going to cost me thousands to replace or fix, or like Alta, go out of business.
I suppose the battery is a concern. But in all honesty, I don’t see these guys going under they were actually around before Alta. I could be wrong though.
Of course the electric is virtually silent with no localized emissions. It could be utilized inside, or in your back yard without pissing off the neighbors. And as a bonus, in hot conditions, doesn't produce heat for you to have to deal with.
Unbelievable this bike can be fully charged under 2 hours... I don't get it, an electric scooter takes 24 hours and with a fast charger half of it, a super fast charger does it in 6 hours .. Someone knows how is that possible ?
well. you can refill gas in a van or from backpack in a minute, not so quick and easy with the electric :) That's the only real use of electric vehicle, except of warehouse utility vehicles. Good for practicing at home or wherever gas motor is forbidden. . Here in Europe you can buy gas trial on sell for almost half the price of electric so go figure.
The sound of that electric bike is awful and strongly annoying. I never would buy that bike. Anyway thanks for the video. I had to mute the sound to watch the video until the end.
@@IRCTireUSAMoto Taking the time to watch the video all the way through before commenting... but immediate thought was refill time vs. recharge time. We'll see if you cover that! 🙂
I don't know how it sounds to the person riding that e-trials, but on youtube while I'm at work and half focused pretending to multi-task, I thought somehow I switched the channel to some dentist channel and I was listening to someone get their tooth drilled. EWWW gross!
Damn, I've just found out that I am emotionally attacked to the sound of an internal combustion motor, particularly a two stroke, even if it is a footups bike.
