I’m sad that it’s locked up, but (fortunately for us) that means we get to see another project, and learn something new…. As another young farmer, thats my favorite thing about your channel is every video I watch I learn something new
I'm in the same boat, just picked up a Oliver 1650 last weekend that had sat in a open air barn for 7yrs...engine is locked tight. Got marvel mystery oil sitting in the cylinders and hoping I'll get lucky
My uncle bought a tractor with stuck pistons in it once, he put white vinegar in the cylinders and let it sit for a few days. He got really lucky. Maybe a thought if the Marvel doesn't get it. Good luck!
Why some guys would walk away from a 4700 hour tractor because of hydraulic problems is beyond me. Looks like it was in decent shape before they parked it. It's a shame you didn't get to it sooner. That old Allis though. Never in a lifetime would I have thought she would roll over let alone start.
Well that sucks. When I was at the MF dealer we put a MF combine motor in a 2-105 and I can’t remember what all was changed I know fuel filters and I think injection pump. $5,000 is still a cheap 100HP cab tractor in the real world. Rudolph Bros at rockport May have a Perkins if your deal falls through. Where the 8700 came from has a cummins 2-105
There isn't that much involved to putting a combine motor in it the injection pumps are set different the oil pan the intake fuel filter housing valve cover
Just from what I see down the turbo, it's had a lot of weather down the cylinders. Don't kid yourself, the head needs to come off and see how bad it is. I've rebuilt a few of these engines over the years, it should be a dry sleeve engine, as long as the bore hasn't been busted by freezing water, you can get new liners and pistons.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Thats why I mention removing the head and check that block is not broken in the bore. I also collect tractors and have run into many stuck engines, if enough water has filled the bore, in winter the water freezes and splits the cylinder. That issue will determine if the block is rebuildable. That's the same motor that Massey put in their 1130 tractors and Combines, So over the years We've been into a few of them. Before the Series B Cummings motor became avaliable, a bunch of these old Perkins engines ended up in pickup truck repowers! Beats the hell out of the old G M Detroit smokers some folks idolize!
Wouldn't hurt to still fill all cyl with atf and fuel since it's just sitting might surprise you get it broke free may just need one piston and maybe sleeve
I bought a 1850 2 years ago that sat for 10-15 years for $1500. Fired right up, had to do the hydra power but found a 3 speed and put that in. Best thing that ever happened, love it. Got the 3 speed for $900.. Got me a great tractor now.
I would stick with the Perkins even though I like Cummins, but I’ve seen people run Perkins in their masseys forever and they never seem to have problems. Good power, good efficiency, and really good torque.
Fill all cyliners with kroil and hang a weight off the breaker bar. If you think it moved put breaker bar and weight on the other side. Slowly but surely it will come loose
I really wish you could have got it to turn over, can't wait until I see it back to life again in the field working again, great video, thanks for sharing 👍
Sorry it didn’t work out the way you hoped it would Ethan. Cummins would be nice but that combine motor would probably be the way to go in terms of dollars and cents, plus you’d have the old engine for spare parts. Either way I’m looking forward to seeing that tractor back in the fields. Thanks for taking care of that older iron because once they’re gone they’re gone forever and it’s a shame to see that happen.
Cummins 5.9 would be my choice. I would pull the cab and make it open station with a ROPS/sunshade. I never understood how people let their equipment get into that condition.
There is a guy near me who has done a 12v cummins swap from a dodge pickup to a white he has I see it in the spring doing tillage idk what all it consists of but he done the work in his drive way of his barn I do know
Putting another Perkins in is cheaper for sure we did a 5.9 swap on a 4020 was not cheap lol we had 354’s in our masseys had over 20,000 hrs on a 2705 before had a rod bearing spin only reason for the overhaul. But as of all other things it’s your choice and I’ll damn sure enjoy watching you fix it whichever way you choose!
Time to pop the injectors out and pour some stuff in if it wiggles it'll break loose. And pull the turbo and clean it. Once it breaks free change the fluids and see what she does. Well nevermind... you'll get her these kind of deals suck so is the 190 gonna be fixed now ?
For my white 2-105 project I have what may be a good long block, I also have a good running 354 turbo perkins and a 5.9 p pump cummins. Not sure if you remember me or not but I bough those 18.4-38 tires from you a few years back. Still not sure what Im going to do with it but I could probably should sell some of it.
So, you do have a 2255 .....I had been wondering. The farmer that used to own ground next to me had one, I used to like looking at that tractor when he brought it out
Too bad about the Perkins. With a younger brother who is a diesel technician. I would drop the engine at his place and say call me with the bad news. lol Maybe you could see if Jake wants a engine rebuild project? lol
Well that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Before you pull the trigger on an overhaul kit I'd be pulling the rod and main bearing caps off just to make sure the crank is good. If it's got liners in it, rebuilding it should be a gravy job. Best of luck to ya!
I really enjoy watching you because I also grew up farming with oliver and nice to see a young guy working hard at it . I was wondering what your plans are with your old tires off the white .
Sorry about the bad news. I'm guessing swapping another perkins in would be the easiest and initial lower cost option. Cummins would be more work and money upfront but parts availability and cost down the road would better. Probably easier to get a few extra ponies from the Cummins as well. If a guy ever felt inclined to do such a thing. Either way this will be a fun project to see come together whichever route you choose.
Man I thought for sure that old girl wouldn't fight ya! I figured you'd prime the fuel system with alittle fresh go juice and hit her with a shot of Cosby sauce and she would pop right off! Oh well such is life atleast she is in good hands. Just a thought may not be a bad idea to take the head off see how bad the cylinder walls look. May be able to get away with running a hone down her throw a new slug in the bad cylinder and new rings across the others and rods and mains if you wana get fancy. Just a thought be about the cheapest way to get it going in my opinion. Either way best of luck with the ol girl she is actually in pretty good shape.
lol hillbilly bandaid........ right..... I have personally done it to 2 3612 cats in mobark horizontal grinder as per recommended by CAT but that's a hillbilly bandaid. If the cylinder wall isnt in bad shape there 8s not a dam thing wrong with honing your cylinder walls replacing rings and rods and mains. But what do I know I only been turning wrenches for the last 38 years. Its your money if you want to piss it away go for it.
I don’t really care what you’ve done. I know what I want out of it. I know what I want it to be. And I know how I do engine work. I want it right the first time so I never have to work on it again. Cheap and engine work should never go in the same sentence.
i have gotten 3 engines that where locked up unstuck there is a simple mix that will get that engine turning. ATF,acetone,diesel fuel mixed will get it free if the crank moves alittle bit that means she will turn if you can leave a breaker bar on the crankshaft with a pipe and tie some wait for the weight to drop. it should work alright
Well F' that sucks. I actually sat here at the start of bad news and thought I bet that Allis turned over, It happens I bought 2 perk engine Majors that sat outside 40 years we know off, both them moved the crank like you found on the white, they rocked and freed up after a dose of weasels finest pee, both started on batteries after a basic service !. I'd say as you got this for a sentimental reason as well as using it see about fixing that motor and keep it original. Pull the head and see how bad she's rusted and can that be saved. Perkins cranks are so hard you've got a job to screw one up. I did one last year had busted up wrist pin bushes get shoved through the oil system, that crank looked bad but it polished to spec yours should still be good anyway. The hardest part of that rebuild is pulling the sleeves and getting the new ones back in. You are smart you can do it, I've done them here quite a few times in 30 years and there is lots of jobber parts kits out there that aren't huge money . I'm pretty sure if you go MF combine to tractor with the 1135 massey the crankshaft pulleys different with splines or something between the 2, but that may be for the front pump drive you don't have on the white, so it might be ok if you don't have to swap pulleys, the drive off the pump shaft might not be there for the tach either some just have a big shaft stick out. Thanks for the video, take care
Hi Ethan! I’m a Cummins man. Having said that we had a few 1850s with 354 Perkins and I think a few Massey combines as well. Anyway great motor! Miss the Hercules we had in a 2-135 and 2-155 it was awesome too.
Ethan, this is still a good buy. All of this is really dependent upon, how much time, money and effort are you willing to put into it? Me personally, a complete engine overhaul kit plus, I'd also go through everything else. As you stated about the 2255, you're there, just do through it and be done, then you know for sure. You say 3k-5k, I say, closer to 7k. Either way, looking forward to seeing this project. Great video as always, cheers :)
thats what call the luck of the draw!! you thought it threw and it wasnt in the cards but being anAC man GO ALLIS GO!!! knowing you and watching you this is just a minor problem!! so with that said I WILL BE WATCHIN!! oh by the way l be 85 when you get to the 2255 LOL!!!
Research.... if have local with good engine.... go with it Said $800.... yeah do it. The cummins... more money and trying to find....better engine yep... more of a challenge. Yep $800 runs... go for it
Find a 354 perkins out of a Massey combine and swap it out, that is what one neighbor did with a 4430, cause i sold him a 7700 combine with a sound 404T, happiest day of my life when that ferial Rye infested nightmare left my sight
that is a shame, i just bought a 2-135 2years ago. love the tractor. it only had 1500 hours on it. always wanted a white. dont know what year it is though.my dad had one of those 190xts when i was a kid over 40 years ago that is a nice tractor. i drove it most of the time.
To bad the motor is locked up. I was hoping it was going to start and run for you. I'm sure you will come up with a plan and have it going before to long. I will look forward to the videos. Have a good week.
Well that was a bummer, I was really hoping that would run. Although, at least you have options! I still think it was a good deal. I have confidence in your ability, so I'm going to keep the faith. It will live again. Can't believe that alis ran, that's just wrong, lol ...just kidding...I'm happy for him. As rough as it looked, I wouldn't have believed it would run. Lol. Still a very interesting video.
If you got aluminum pistons and a steel cylinder then shes a paperweight. That sucks bud! I like the Perkins idea if that’s the easier swap. Plus those are some strong engines.
That's to bad about that engine, but if I was you I'd say swap that engine for the combine one. To bad but watching your channel I'm sure you will get it running.
Bummer. It was still a good deal even with a bad motor. Unless you plan to restore this tractor, the used combine engine sounds like it’d be a cost effective way to get the tractor in the field again provided it’s a good, low-hour engine. Next would be doing an inframe. Regardless of what you do, I’m confident you’ll get it back in service.
perkins with the aluminum pistons was a piss poor idea and enough to say i would do cummins lol i have done many IHs to cummins so i know you could do it easy
Judging from the " clean " condition that You purchased it in - My guess is that " ran when parked " was exaggerated just a bit........ I agree - the white stuff is the piston decomposing in the cylinder. Your best bet is a motor replacement. You have a good straight frame and a good cab - enough of a backbone to rebuild on. Reach out to your " network " - You have enough where finding one shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for the update Ethan. Take care. Fred.
that's to bad. i was hopping it would run. but you get it going. still better then buying a lottery ticket,and you will know it's reliable when you are done.
I had to flat tow my 1750 2 miles home and in that tractor the lube pump in the transmission turns with the input shaft well half mile later the transmission tried to lock up had to keep it in gear and hold the clutch down hope the 2-105 is different ps Perkins out of a combine is my vote
I've rebuilt a few 354's. They are a easy motor to go through. Other than the dry sleeves are rather fun to pull. I'm a Cummins guy and I would stick with the perk
Sorry it's going to be tougher than you first thought. I'm looking forward to following this one. It is very much like our 1800C basket case.) I will watch and learn. I like the idea of the 354. Just my vote. It also would be the easiest IMO. Keep us posted.
I would definitely pull that injector again and fill the cylinder with a mix and just let it sit for a bit to see if it loosens up. You're not losing anything and it's basically free.
The best laid plans... I feel your pain. I worked on a Deere B for a year restoring it got the engine running and now have water in the oil. Can't figure where it is coming from. Yea the best laid plans. Hope it works out for us both...
Well I share your disappointment on your lack of success in getting it to start but that No 4 injector looked pretty grim and it sounds as though things look bad in the cylinder as well. Best wishes on your choice of decision of what you eventually decide to do about it all.
Dang it!!! I was with you on it may turn over and start. Wasn’t ment to be. Those Perkins are such a tough engine they start easy pull good and easy on fuel.
@@Oliver66FarmBoy Your right it's a 2-112 had to go look to make sure my cousin has one only one I have seen other than at my uncle's dealership before he retired
Atf and diesel fuel the cylinders to see if you can unstick it. If not get the other engine you know about keep it as close to original as possible just my opinion
