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White Water Swims and Throw Bag Rescues 

Ray Goodwin
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Some ideas and thoughts on swimming in white water, self rescue and the use of throw bags.
WARNING: SWIMMING IN WHITE WATER AND IN PARTICULAR USING ROPE HAS REAL ELEMENTS OF RISK. PRACTISING THESE WITH EXPERIENCED FOLK OR ATTENDING A COURSE IS RECOMMENDED.
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Комментарии : 88   
@doneddy2204
@doneddy2204 2 года назад
I appreciate that you don’t waist time trying to chat me up or going down none relevant rabbit holes. Clear concise info transferral helps the student retain. Your visuals are right on target.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you Don, appreciated. I try hard to keep the videos to relevant and useful information. Cheers
@georgeburns7643
@georgeburns7643 Год назад
I have watched a number of videos on swift water rescue and using throw bags. Various sources. Yours is by far the best one I have seen.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
Wow. Thank you so much for those appreciative comments. Feedback is always valued and its fantastic when it is so positive.
@BuckMckawtheotherone
@BuckMckawtheotherone 2 года назад
Excellent stuff once again. Thank you!
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
My pleasure!
@saggarman
@saggarman 2 года назад
Another great video. Thanks, Ray.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Very welcome
@b_gumm
@b_gumm 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for teaching me Ray. Great work.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 11 месяцев назад
No problem. Thank you for commenting
@magicdrshoon
@magicdrshoon 2 года назад
Valuable information. Thanks Ray!
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
You are welcome
@philschaefer4651
@philschaefer4651 2 года назад
More great info Ray. And info I nearly needed recently.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thanks Phil. Appreciated as always.
@lawrencemartin1113
@lawrencemartin1113 2 года назад
Brilliant as ever. Thanks.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
appreciated. Thanks
@wrzlgummidge7663
@wrzlgummidge7663 2 года назад
Another outstanding vid Ray, and on a crucial topic. Thanks for sharing. atb
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it. Wish I had had more time to collect other bits of film but in the end went with the ideas I had.
@andyjamieson
@andyjamieson 2 года назад
Thank you, that’s a marvellous video and I learned a few great tips there. 👍
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@richardmoses2105
@richardmoses2105 2 года назад
Fantastic video once again Ray; great resource to refer back to.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thanks again! Appreciate the comments.
@Sanctuarysurvival
@Sanctuarysurvival 2 года назад
Thank you Ray, i enjoyed that one.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Glad to hear it
@leegosling
@leegosling 2 года назад
Brilliant video, Ray. Great work.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Many thanks!
@grahamrowe6278
@grahamrowe6278 2 года назад
Outstanding Ray. Really concise and logical.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
As ever thank you.
@darrenclarkson9765
@darrenclarkson9765 2 года назад
love you Ray
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Love you too Daz
@deogettic
@deogettic Год назад
Thanks for this informative and thorough video.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
Glad it was helpful! appreciated
@ptrckmuir
@ptrckmuir 2 года назад
Thank you Ray.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
You are most welcome
@martinoutdoors6941
@martinoutdoors6941 2 года назад
Great video Ray really well explained
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful! Thank you.
@bencollyer2296
@bencollyer2296 Год назад
Great stuff
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
Thank you.
@karencharny1497
@karencharny1497 2 года назад
Wow amazing to view and rewatch.. interesting.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Glad you think so! Thank you
@PsychoticJesus
@PsychoticJesus 2 года назад
Excellent Video!
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you very much!
@danbosch1621
@danbosch1621 Год назад
Well done educational video. Thank you.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
Thank you very much. Glad it was of help
@nealkinevil
@nealkinevil 2 года назад
terrific video
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you sir! Appreciated
@tombeckett4340
@tombeckett4340 2 года назад
Great job thanks.👍🇨🇦
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
No problem 👍 Thanks
@nigelgregory4777
@nigelgregory4777 2 года назад
Once again Ray you excel with your knowledge and expertise, this is not a situation I would like to be in but can happen, as a beginner I'm looking to do more next year (be afraid 😨) looking forward to the spay and hope to see you before that, hope everyone is well and safe 😷😷👍, Ps, the book is brilliant, well laid out, and something you can flick through if you only have ten minutes, brilliant job 👍👍👍❤☕
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you for all of that. See you next year.
@rattytattyratnett
@rattytattyratnett 10 месяцев назад
That looks fun.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 10 месяцев назад
Generally fun in training but pays off in the real life situations. If means folk are better prepared. But here there is a fun element
@mikecronin4661
@mikecronin4661 Год назад
Very interesting video thank you
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it and found it interesting
@Skeathy1967
@Skeathy1967 2 года назад
Important stuff Ray thanks. I don't paddle without a throwline to hand. Apart from the rescue uses you have mentioned, it is useful for tethering canoes in tidal waters where your painter just ain't long enough.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you. Yep it does well on that tidal use. Keep well
@TrenthamPhil
@TrenthamPhil 2 года назад
I would like to reinforce the need to keep your bum up. Years ago in a slalom on the Washburn I swam and went over a small drop feet first and hit my coccyx on a rock and was totally winded. I suspect I broke it. I can still vividly remember grasping some grass at the side in desperation unable to breath but seeing people walking on the path seemingly totally unaware of my situation. No approach is totally foolproof and I was probably unlucky but it did concentrate my mind on the need to keep my bum up. If we lift our heads to see what's happening our bums drop. Great video though. Thanks.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Really useful comment. I know of a fireman doing the same while training at MEM on the Dee. It is a real risk.
@Canyakcoaching
@Canyakcoaching 2 года назад
Excellent Ray (best one yet), especially the handsome guy doing the demos and the photos from working together in the Ardeche.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Wow, thanks! It turned out to be a hard one to edit and I kept stalling on it. So glad you liked it and many thanks for your demos and help. Appreciated.
@MrMjt888
@MrMjt888 2 года назад
There was one good looking bloke. But I’ve never been to the Ardeche?
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
@@MrMjt888 About time you had a trip down there. Anyway fight it out boys over the good looking bit. 🤣
@tonystacey3347
@tonystacey3347 2 года назад
Excellent video Ray - I think this is one of your best ones yet! I particularly liked the initial helmet cam perspective going down the rapid. It’s all in there - and it was great to see you doing dry land drills which in my experience despite getting me laughed at on centres, I’ve found crucial. One thing you did talk about was packing the rope back into the bag. Perhaps you may mention what happens if you 1) miss with first throw (re coil?/2nd bag?/2nd thrower 2) get a “birds nest”/tangle on the bag. Once again a superb demo with lots of thought provoking ideas and skills to sort out in the paddlers head and get sorted before the incident occurs. Cheers Tony
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank for all of that Tony. It is always a hard one to know what to include. Certainly editing this gave me lots of problem in the creativity and order of things. In the end decisions were made and I needed to finish and get it out there. Yep it will be interesting to put together a more 'situational' video at some point. Regards
@shanehenderson1211
@shanehenderson1211 2 года назад
Great video Ray. I notice you doing it, but might be worth mentioning as a tip for throwing a rope accurately is pointing at the swimmer with your non-throwing hand finger. Keep up the great work
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Good point! I had meant to mention it but ........ Good reminder
@gleneverett9728
@gleneverett9728 Год назад
Thanks
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe Год назад
You are most welcome
@MrMjt888
@MrMjt888 2 года назад
Nice one Ray It would be useful to talk over what situations would have you needing to set up these team rescues. Or when you might do any kind of safety set up.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Noted! Ah the subject of a Canoe Leader Training.
@MrMjt888
@MrMjt888 2 года назад
@@RayGoodwinCanoe Nice 2 secs of me. At this rate I’m going to be ahead of Jason in the fame stakes 😀
@clin492
@clin492 2 года назад
good video thank you pointed out most things the only thing i noticed he didn't was just past the 5 min mark i think 5.50 and at 8:30 someone grabbed the back of a BA to add support
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Correct and thank you for your comments. Yep I should have pointed that our verbally as well as just showing it. Good point.
@merzoutdoors
@merzoutdoors 2 года назад
Thanks Ray, great stuff! Having never been in any serious emergencies on the river, I do wonder how often there's time to plan and set up rescue strategies vs. just throwing the rope; I imagine sometimes you've only got mere seconds to react?
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Sometimes that is true. Other times you may set up before running a rapid (more usual in kayak on harder rivers). Also the number of times I have had to rescue someone from a rock in the middle of the river. Hope that helps
@michaelpickford4294
@michaelpickford4294 2 года назад
Brilliant Ray. You have a great teaching style! Any tips for what to do if you miss first time? Particularly in open water? Thanks
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
On a river if you miss and the target is static (on a rock maybe) then you have plenty of time and can use another bag or use coils (need to do a video). If it is critical have another person downstream incase you miss. On a lake then do lap coils over the hand as you pull the bag back in and then part fill the bag with water which help the throw.
@stuartriches9028
@stuartriches9028 2 года назад
Hi Ray, now back at home following our trip with the Explorer Scouts. Glad I had the opportunity to say hello in person - an unexpected bonus. Another great video - would appreciate your advice on a question that arises during practice with throwlines on sheltered water, especially for people starting out with throwlines - what advice do you have for managing 2nd throws (other than a 2nd bag). Would you re-coil the rope and split for a two-handed throw, how about filling the bag with water to aid distance?
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Good to say hello. I tend to use a combination of a split two handed throw plus filling the bag with water. Take every advantage you can.
@suetadman9072
@suetadman9072 2 года назад
Another excellent training video, thanks Ray. Can you give some guidelines please on how to decide what length throw line to use. It clearly depends on what paddling you do and where but what criteria are most important?
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Really I need to do another video. But the shortest I carry is 18 metres and I have a couple at 20. I always pull some of the rope out so I have something I can play with. So 18m of 8mm is my go to bag for throwing. I then use the heavier and thicker 20m bags as back up for throws but my go to if I have to do any z drags etc. Hope that helps.
@suetadman3530
@suetadman3530 2 года назад
@@RayGoodwinCanoe Yes it does, thanks Ray. Mine is 15m and due to be replaced. 18m it is!
@gregduncan5225
@gregduncan5225 2 года назад
Love your videos Ray (from Aus). May I add a few observations as a retired emergency responder Swiftwater rescue instructor of many years? Your point about the handle (loop) at the end of the line; we teach that a very small loop (large enough only for a carabiner to clip and not for a hand to fit through) is the best setup. On a benefit v risk basis, especially in a team environment, the option to be able to quickly clip another bag, or anything really, is more important. With a small loop the risk is then limited to an acceptable level, considering that all our rescue technicians carry an externally mounted, fixed-blade rescue knife (no folding knives). One other observation is the recommendation for the casualty to pass the rescue line under the weak side shoulder. I know that passing the line OVER the weak side (opposite side to the rescuer) is an accepted and well founder teaching point, but I worry that if this technique was used in anything more than a very moderate flow it would roll the casualty over, face down in the water, where any ferry angle advantage would be lost and there would be the potential for them to release their grip. It would have been nice to see the ferry angle created by correct line position (opposite shoulder) demonstrated in the video. Sorry for the waffle 😂
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
Thank you for such a detailed response/analysis, really helpful stuff there. Yep totally agree with the small loop and that is in place on all the Palm throw bags as well as my Rescue 3 bag. A very good system. The under the shoulder technique works extremely well including in very strong flows and I have never seen a tendency to rotate the swimmer, in fact it tends to surf the person higher in the water and so they are more able to hold on. The downside is that it takes a few seconds extra to implement and in some situations there isn't even that time. Yep re ferrying: it was a working day so it is not always possible to spend the extra time and getting the viewpoint to show everything although I try hard...maybe that is one I should not have missed. Quite a few of my videos are opportunist in that I take advantage of a working day with a group, the videos make so little money that it is often hard to justify extra days videoing (that video has earned a total of £17). But keep commentating it is all useful food for thought for me and extra information for others. Cheers, Ray
@zerofeather783
@zerofeather783 2 года назад
@@RayGoodwinCanoe Ray, noting Greg's point about a small loop, on my sea kayak towline I have a small spliced, not knotted, loop for the crab on the end. If I take off the crab it's clean enough not to snag. Maybe a small spliced loop in the end of the line is the ideal compromise? Chris.
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
@@zerofeather783 The best throw bag manufacturers put a very small loop in the end of either tape (Palm) or knotted for others. On my sea kayak I would have no problem splicing a tow system but not on a throw bag. As an instructor/guide/ex-mountaineer I am competent and qualified to put a knot in the end of the rope but I am not so with a splice. If it were to fail using it with a 4:1 pulley system I would have no justification: I just don't know enough about spices. It's a great idea but I am wary of doing it myself. Great discussion and points though. Good stuff
@richardbisset8323
@richardbisset8323 2 года назад
We're can I find information on theses courses with you Ray
@RayGoodwinCanoe
@RayGoodwinCanoe 2 года назад
The White Water Safety and Rescue courses I rarely run nowadays but lots of other British Canoeing providers do. I will put up a spring date on my website.
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