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The Mouth of Sauron was one of Sauron's main lieutenants, but who or what exactly was this servant of the Dark Lord in Mordor? Today we have a look at everything from what we know of his history, like his name, his past, if he is a Black Numenorean or something else entirely?!
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@tflynn2400 3 года назад

The first time my kids saw the Mouth of Sauron they asked if that was Sauron. I said no, it was his lawyer. To this day that's what they call him. "Hey, here comes Sauron's lawyer!"

@TheMinarus 2 года назад

Now just imagine Sauron being captured and sitting in a Gondorian court of law, and this dude shows up on the defense bench with his little files ready to go HAHAAHAH

@parnmonkuma5461 2 года назад

As a lawyer i agree with this haha

@whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886 2 года назад

I show this to my family and we all end up laughing. XD

@kyleshanebeck5504 2 года назад

It wasn't just that his name was forgotten in general, but that even he did not remember his name. That would suggest to thousands of years instead of hundreds to me personally

@morning_dew922 2 года назад

That is so cute. I will remember this moving forward

@tozmom615 3 года назад

He’s an accountant doing small business tax returns, predominantly for lumber merchants in Umbar and sulphur mining operations in the east. When he’s not working or being the mouth of sauron he also quite enjoys flying kites and making papier-mâché piñatas for his grandchildren.

@Carissuh 3 года назад

Lmao

@draoidh6479 3 года назад

HAHAHAHA

@TheMinarus 2 года назад

You forgot troll riding and also Coal surfing on Mount Doom lol

@TheArod17 2 года назад

you would think he likes karaoke

@matthewnahanee4676 2 года назад

The pinata was dear to thee, i see.

@cerberus6654 3 года назад

I suspect that the Mouth was kept pretty busy as an ambassador. Sauron could not go personally as a physical entity to all the eastern nations that he made alliances with, nor the southern ones such as the Corsairs. The Nazgul obviously didn't have the social skills to do that and the orcs were too loathsome to humans as well, plus they were sunlight challenged. The Mouth would have been up and down Middle Earth non-stop and probably directing other human ambassadors from the Tower who were in constant negotiation with those loyal to Sauron. Busy job, lots of responsibilities!

@dillonwalshpvd 2 года назад

It’s actually probable that sauron did have a physical form at the time of LOTR, but that doesn’t mean he would have wanted to do a lot of showing himself, for obvious reasons

@matttthewcheng 2 года назад

Are you suggesting that the Mouth of Sauron should have unionized to ensure good working conditions and pay? Can you unionize if you're a workforce of 1?

@cerberus6654 2 года назад

@@matttthewcheng I believe that in the case of the Mouth evil was it's own reward! The cool black clothes, people (and orcs) ready to do your bidding, travel, fell meats on the BBQ, and an extended lifespan. No union could guarantee that.

@radagast7200 2 года назад

Sauron made himself more pleasant to the eyes when he served that role. Why wouldn't he use that tactic on his new ambassador. Was he using fear instead of coercion?

@matttthewcheng 2 года назад

@@radagast7200 Was Sauron still able to use deception/charisma to coerce loyalty after the fall of Numenor? I might misunderstand, but I thought this power was lost to Sauron either after Numenor or after he lost his Ring the first time?

@Mary.R. 3 года назад

Everyone asks Who and What is Mouth of Sauron. But nobody asks *How* is the Mouth of Sauron! A little compassion goes a long way guys...

@JohnSmith-bt3xh 3 года назад

Nobody doesn't ask "Why is the Mouth of Sauron?" either.

@michalrojas1206 3 года назад

I’ll do you one better, Why is The Mouth of Sauron?

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

You guys have been watching too much 'Endgame' LOL..

@cerberus6654 3 года назад

After the fall of Sauron, the Mouth went south. Disguised and with a lot of coin, he found a good dentist in Belfalas, got fit and stopped eating fell meats and the like and lived out his years quite happily. Like those Nazi's who made it to Paraguay or Argentina.

@JohnSmith-bt3xh 3 года назад

@@jamesaron1967 It's Infinnyti war

@dondino-1024 3 года назад

In the movie you can hear Sauron whispering words to him in the background, cool detail.

@CorrectionUnknown 2 года назад

Saw that clip dozens of times and never noticed! I wonder what the whispers are saying.

@dondino-1024 2 года назад

@@CorrectionUnknown I believe Sauron is giving the Lieutenant instructions about what to say to Gandalf and the others. Like an evil voice inside his head. That is why he is called the mouth of Sauron, just passing the message.

@The_Essential_Review 2 года назад

Huh? Are you SURE? i dont freakin remember that at all

@dondino-1024 2 года назад

@@The_Essential_Review Time to watch the movies again I would say

@steveblanmag7410 2 года назад

Are you thinking of on top of Amon Hen, just before the Uruk Hai attack, when Frodo is offering the ring to Aragorn and you can hear Sauron whispering to Aragorn as he considers taking the ring and you hear "Eh-leh-ssahr" like the ring acknowledging him as the mighty king.

@gregwmanning 3 года назад

When I first read the books as a 15 year old, the mouth of sauron was very powerful and terrifying

@lahoku 3 года назад

Would you consider The Mouth of Sauron more terrifying than the King of the Wraiths, the Witch-Kung of Angmar. The Hobbit was the easiest to read in my opinion. Then when I went in the LOTR series right after, it became more difficult. Then let’s forget about The Silmarillion because that’s on another level! I read all the books when I was 11....that was 21 years ago. It indeed is challenging for a child to read & km actually motivated to re read them now as a young man whom can understand a lot more than when I was just a boy. I, unfortunately, can’t remember much of the LOTR novels. The Discussion between Gandalf The White & The Mouth of Sauron was beautifully executed! The higher level of advancement in language is what makes this such a stupendous endless story. Even if one doesn’t speak in this manner, one can infer just how complex language truly is.

@gregwmanning 3 года назад

@@lahoku Very much so, as I first the books 45 years ago, I didnot know the ending. So encountering the Mouth of Sauron out the black gates where they expected to be overwhelmed by the armies of Sauron was a very tense time. From memory, the witch king didnot have many speaking parts, could not Kill Frodo on Weather top, got washed away by a river, flew away when Gandalf confronted him on the fields of Pelennor & again at the gates of Minas Tirith, and was easily killed by a woman and a frightened hobbit. The fearsomeness of the witch killed has been built up by the community, youtube channels like this one (of which I am subscribed and I wish well), and of cause the movies. All of which occurred post the writing of the books. I am not a lotr/Tolkien scholar but I reckon Tolkien wrote the Hobbit with no thought of writing LotR, wrote LotR with no thought of writing any other books on middle earth. The other point worth noting is the other 8 ring wraths did not even have names or titles, whereas probably a dozen or more orcs are named and described. Maybe if Tolkien had planned it all from the beginning, the witch king may had had a bigger roll in the books. I'm not surprised Peter Jackson filmed the Mouth of Sauron scene but in my view didnot do him justice, and I think that scene only made the extended version cut.

@panda5996 2 года назад

Nah it felt like he was being tortured by fire in his eyes and unending corruption. The pictures of him don’t help either. He looks like he is trapped blind in that uncomfortable helmet. So he couldn’t brush his teeth so he is suffering from the intense pain of teeth decay.

@panda5996 2 года назад

And he also probably met his anti climactic death when some elf fired an arrow and hit mouth of sauron. Being blind and in his very uncomfortable helmet, he couldn’t move around to dodge the arrow.

@rs_anna111 2 года назад

Jfnu d

@Lex_Talionix 3 года назад

The lore says the Mouth came into the service of the Dark Tower when it rose again, but that's not necessarily when he came into the service of Sauron himself. The lore indicates he rose through the ranks and became a powerful sorcerer. He didn't start off as Sauron's lieutenant, he became one. Could his sorcery prolong his life? He was obviously unique among Sauron's minions, so much so that he was given the "honor" and trust of being able to speak for Sauron, directly! That is an astounding degree of trust and power given to this mortal man, not even bound by a ring, a man who learned his arts at the feet of the dark lord. And those arts could have easily included the one thing men wanted most, more life, though only extended, not made immortal. Thus, the reference of coming into the service of the Dark Tower could simply refer to when he became its lieutenant, but he could have lived for hundreds or even thousands of years before that. To me, that's reinforced by the fact that he's surely a Black Numenorean, and not referred to as the descendant of one. The Age and talk in the writings of Black Numenoreans are directly associated with the Second Age. In conclusion, there is ample evidence for varying interpretations.

@Nebelung8 2 года назад

Yes, my thoughts exactly

@nickcalderon2637 2 года назад

Ironically, the game “Lord of the Rings Conquest” is probably the ONLY Middle Earth game where we see the Mouth of Sauron use any kind of Magic.

@Jeremycook_ 2 года назад

@Juggled Lotus in lotr sorcerers and wizards are not the same. The wizards(Gandalf,Saruman,Radaghast and the two lost blue wizards) are maiar and sorcerers aren't

@luxuryballer8291 2 года назад

I'm the Ass of Sauron. The Master sends me whenever he needs to be a total douche to someone. I'm sort of like the Mouth but with a lot more "I know you are but what am I?".

@redacted5987 2 года назад

Lol

@burninhellfish 2 года назад

my god stop speaking please

@xXBonBonChocolateXx 2 года назад

😂 I laughed a little too hard. The first sentence just killed me.

@stevepalpatine2828 2 года назад

I'm the Dick of Sauron. He sends me when he wants someone fcked...

@brandonhandleigh8646 2 года назад

@@stevepalpatine2828 One ring to rule them all, one ring to bind them, one ring to cradle the balls and in the tightness… bind them. ~ Butrug captain of the black fence.

@bones_bn 3 года назад

I really like The Mouth. Loved his design and mannerisms in the film

@evand6817 3 года назад

I always thought of the Mouth of Sauron as an avatar through which Sauron could work. Like a priest or a seer who would speak on behalf of their god.

@Amp661 2 года назад

Hes only an emissary. The book explains enough.

@richmondlandersenfells2238 2 года назад

He is though!

@Xeno426 3 года назад

10:12 I'd point out that it's unlikely that the coat of mail was shown to make Gandalf and company think the One ring had been recovered. That the company would seek to destroy the ring was still furthest from Sauron'smind, and it's far more likely that Sauron thought Aragorn had the ring (which was what Gandalf was counting on). Instead, based on dialog heard from various orcs, it's more likely that they thought Frodo was a spy. If Sauron thought the Hobbits truly had the ring, there'd likely be a much greater effort in finding them than just a single tracker/fighter pair or orcs.

@jeremiahwarden5959 2 года назад

Shouldn't he know? Frodo put the ring on multiple times. By that point, Sauron should have known.

@TheMuzz743 2 года назад

@@jeremiahwarden5959 Gandalfs' and Aragorns actions are what made Sauron think that they had the ring. Knowing how treacherous the ring was. Since, Sauron made it. That it would slip into many hands.

@ravenmoon5111 2 года назад

@@TheMuzz743 That’s a good point. A being like Sauron wood find it difficult to believe that great warrior kings or sorcerers like Aragorn and Gandalf would allow the ring to be held by a halfling

@aolochensky4365 2 года назад

@@jeremiahwarden5959 It was ultimately Sauron's downfall was his inability to fathom a possibility where someone would ever want to destroy the ring. He obviously knew of its corrupting power and that it's will was that of Sauron's itself, so he knew no one could willingly destroy the ring. Gandolf and Aragorn counted on this when Aragorn revealed himself and the reforged sword to Sauron using the Palantir. Sauron surely believed that Aragorn had taken the ring himself (same as his ancestor Isildur thousands of years earlier) and was attempting to use it against Sauron to defeat him in battle (which is exactly was Boromir wanted to do). That is why Sauron emptied his entire force of Mordor towards the black gate to take down Aragorn and retrieve the ring.

@andrewnovak4069 2 года назад

If you look back at the conversation with the Mouth of Sauron, he implies the coat is proof that Sauron had captured a “spy”. I think Gandalf and Aragorn would have been smart enough to realize that meant Sauron didn’t have the Ring because the Mouth of Sauron wouldn’t have just called the Ringbearer a mere spy. If Sauron had recovered the Ring, he would have wanted to sow despair and helplessness in the ranks of the forces of the King before crushing them.

@Bloss76 3 года назад

Definitely my favourite scene in TROTK - think it should absolutely have been included in the main version! What a waste of incredible prosthetics 🤣

@ragnarlothbrok6760 3 года назад

Agreed. They extended versions👌 are class

@andrewmikkola2798 3 года назад

And subtle CGI to double the size of the mouth. Tough to overtly notice but does so much to make him feel extra menacing and creepy.

@chucklytell 3 года назад

I always loved the line "I have a token I was bidden to show thee", there's a formal kind of malevolence behind it.

@kenmcvittie3584 3 года назад

And a great actor, it was the gyro captain from the Mad Max films, his unfortunately escapes me at the moment

@SimplyConeh 2 года назад

Some would argue that the extended versions ARE the main versions :)

@bencopeland3560 2 года назад

I don’t know that there’s a good reason to doubt that the dark tower first rising again refers to Sauron initial rise (after Morgoth’s dark tower(s)). Old enough to have forgotten his own name certainly indicates something longer than 60-70 years.

@nedoran5758 2 года назад

"First rising again" pretty much implies that there was a second rising again so this is Saurons rebuilding of Melkor"s original dark towers to me

@joefish6091 2 года назад

His name was Dave.

@mnk9073 3 года назад

I really want to know what Mordorians do all day, I mean they all must have day jobs administring the dark lands, treating with Corsairs, Southlanders and Easterlings, rebuilding roads, mustering orc armies, repairing fortresses, commissioning engines of war, stockpiling supplies and arranging logistics. Does Sauron have an accountant, ist there a quarter master general of Mordor?

@noodlegawd 2 года назад

It would be pretty cool if someone would write a book or made a movie from the POV of a Mordor quartermaster.

@BFBMTb 2 года назад

Not sure what they do in Mordor but I've heard in the south of Mordor is basically the breadbasket for saurons lands to help sustain his armies. I'm sure quite a few were working there

@federikstnbach9470 2 года назад

play the games shadow of mordor its pretty good but the second game did a good jop showing how the orc ranks works and what they do along with different creations inside mordor

@Yaywayable 2 года назад

@@federikstnbach9470 don't ever use that series to establish the canon lore of LOTR, Shelob is a woman mad about Sauron breaking up with her.

@TON-ws9og 2 года назад

They mentioned that Sauron did enslave men to work in agriculture and construction so yes further south and East of Mt. Doom there would be something resembling a civilization with towns and mines and farms.

@Jiggleton 3 года назад

His head probably figuratively exploded after the demise of sauron. He would have been so mentally intertwined that his physiology and soul were immensely changed.

@MarshWaha 2 года назад

That or literally just past out and died.

@josephbenson4413 2 года назад

What makes you think that? The 'Mouth of Sauron' isn't really all that different from Sauron. They are the lesser toad to a greater evil. Sauron's head didn't explode. He crept off and continued as a potent, albeit lesser evil.

@ArgenYargen 2 года назад

His head got cut off by Aragorn

@MarshWaha 2 года назад

@@ArgenYargen in the movies, this person is talking about the books.’

@vansteel393 3 года назад

I'm sure he was a powerful sorcerer, but his true power came from his cunning, and his council to Sauron. If it came down to winning a one on one, head to head fight with Aragorn, he'd lose quickly. But he would never actually be alone, or have to do his own fighting.

@longdongsilver6298 3 года назад

lotr extended edition makes him look weak as he gets beheaded without even putting up a fight

@vansteel393 3 года назад

@@longdongsilver6298 Well, to be fair, it's terrible form to behead someone while parlaying with them. Aragorn is an incredible fighter, but beheading him in that moment was a cheap shot.

@sweeperboy 2 года назад

@@vansteel393 I would agree, but I think it's fair that at this point the Mouth was there to taunt them, not really to parlay with them. Any promises he might have made about the safety of the Host of the West if they surrendered would not be worth anything. He also appeared to show that Frodo had been killed. Aragorn therefore had nothing left to lose at that point, and it was going to be a fight to the death - ultimately resulting in their defeat of course.

@LucidWanderer 2 года назад

Are you sure? The Mouth of Sauron could have lived an extended life far longer than Aragorn's, Aragorn is in very good shape for 87 because he is a Dunedain a descendant of the Numenorean's, but the Mouth is an actual Numenorean meaning he could've been hundreds or thousands of years old due to Sauron's magic with the fighting experience to match that age.

@andrewmaderer1989 3 года назад

And he deed Gandalf, he deeeed...

@ryangoff4813 2 года назад

There’s a theory that the mouth of Sauron was given a dead end ring of power and was slowly transforming into a Nazgul, which is why he forgot his name.

@Phoebe5448 2 года назад

That's interesting. Considering that all the Nazgul possibly still have their rings, I wonder which one it could be. Possibly a spare Dwarven Ring Of Power? Thror's maybe?

@gillianlovell9578 2 года назад

@@Phoebe5448 The Nazgul don't have their rings at this point: Sauron had long since retrieved all nine rings after the Nazgul became totally enslaved to the One via them, and those nine were in his keeping as well as three or maybe four of the Dwarves' rings. So yes, it would have been possible for Sauron to give one of these ex-Nazgul rings to another man. The ultimate in recycling :)

@Phoebe5448 2 года назад

@@gillianlovell9578 Ah, good point! So it's still possible those Rings Of Power are still kicking around? Wasn't at least one of the Dwarven rings destroyed? Maybe I'm thinking of Shadow Of Mordor, which is non canon. I would imagined they would lose their powers once The One Ring was destroyed and Barad-ur fell.

@chrissedrington 2 года назад

@@Phoebe5448 All the rings lost their power after the one ring was destroyed (see LOTR ROTK). So if the Mouth of Sauron was given long life through one of the rings, then he would have likely just faded away like the rest of the Nazgul.

@Phoebe5448 2 года назад

@@chrissedrington yes, that's right! Thanks! I remember now. Yeah he wouldn't have had free will if he did. Must have been just dark magic then.

@simoncooper6752 3 года назад

I love how well researched and in depth these videos always are. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻

@urfacecalling101 3 года назад

Great video, guys! The Mouth is so grotesque and strange that he is one of my favorite villains to show up in the movie and books. I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos!

@TheBrokenSword 3 года назад

Glad you enjoy them! :D

@tedcook9621 3 года назад

Anyone who sought out Sauron to serve him would be an abitious and powerful person. Rising high in Sauron's service would also require growing in personal power and dark knowledge as well. So it is certain the Mouth of Sauron would be a powerful being.

@jamiegregg9211 3 года назад

really cool vid James enjoyed it

@NoFreedom747 2 года назад

Mouth Of Sauron feels like a silver tongued character Sauron found extremely useful, making any non Orc clan or tribe instantly bow to Sauron with words and charms. Not sure if he had actual sorcery powers, I don't see why not considering his boss is The Dark Lord, and basically the Devil in Middle Earth lol.

@urfavoritekeser 2 года назад

Well morogoth was the devil.. saurons like his much weaker son a tad bit stronger than the wizards since they are both Maya beings ..

@otaku-sempai2197 3 года назад

I wonder how much the life of the Mouth of Sauron might have been a dark reflection of the life of Aragorn II. They might have even been the same age if the Mouth of Sauron entered into the service of the Dark Tower as a young man. Aragorn was learned it the lore of the Elves whereas the Mouth was a Black Numenorean sorcerer. Aragorn performed errantries under King Thengel of Rohan and Ecthelion II of Gondor and commanded an attack upon the Corsairs of Umbar, while the Mouth became one of Sauron's commanders.

@Phoebe5448 2 года назад

I kind of really want a prequel fic or video game about The Mouth Of Sauron!

@jennipherem3695 2 года назад

It would be neat if in any sequel to TLOTR (such as the one that Tolkien starting writing) the Mouth was the primary antagonist. He is the lieutenant of Barad Dur, just as Sauron was the lieutenant of Morgoth before him, and there is enough basis here to give him that extended life and power - as well represent the transfer the evil of Morgoth fully into the hands of men, where it surely remains.

@lapensulo4684 2 года назад

In the 1970s there was a comic version made of the Return and it , the mouth, appeared in that version. Being a huge fan of all things Middle Earth, I watched this version. To this day I remember this version, but have never since then, seen it again. One of the cool things I had was a large map of Middle Earth. I remember writing out the check and sending it in. Also, I remember the day I got the map; one of the coolest days ever.

@zackm3591 Год назад

I just chilled with this dude! He can sling back the brews and is a master of karaoke.

@ClassicHarleyQuinn 3 года назад

So in the books there's a very small possibility that The Mouth of Sauron is still alive in the 4th age.

@meduseldtales3383 3 года назад

It would seem almost certain that he was watching the battle from one of the towers or from the battlements and would have perished when they collapsed, but if not, he was certainly smart enough to skedaddle when everything begun to crumble.

@ClassicHarleyQuinn 3 года назад

@@meduseldtales3383 Possibly. Let's say he's still alive. What do you think he was doing all that time?

@meduseldtales3383 3 года назад

@@ClassicHarleyQuinn I would say he went to East, teamed up with some powerful warlord and started to build up anti-Gondor alliance and instigate attacks on the borderlands until Aragorn and Eomer would put an end to his efforts.

@ClassicHarleyQuinn 3 года назад

@@meduseldtales3383 I can see that happening. Morgoth is also technically still alive but locked away. Kinda surprised Tolkien kept him locked away for that long considering how long Sauron was about. It would be cool to get some sort if live action adaptation of Tolkien's work from begging to end.

@cerberus6654 3 года назад

Yea, he's in a retirement home in Araw.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

Excellent video! I've been thinking lately about the end of Númenor and how that is not only a parallel with Plato's Atlantis downfall, but also how that is an allegory for our modern age and what may become of this current civilization. I'd really like to see a video focusing on the corruption of the Númenórean kingdom, perhaps commencing with the reign of Tar-Atanamir who was against the Ban of the Valar. Also focusing on Tar-Palantir's failed attempt at repentance and his daughter's forced marriage to the last king, Ar-Pharazôn, culminating with the latter's utter betrayal of his race by succumbing to the greatest evil of his time. There is a great lessen to be learned in the fall of Númenor, which is probably why Plato's account of Atlantis still lives on as a popular myth even to this day. This would probably end up being a long video to treat the subject matter with justice, but would like to see it one day.

@luvtoclimb1976 3 года назад

I think he was very powerful and skilled in magic. Saying he was just a servant to Sauron is like saying Sauron is just a servant to Morgoth and therefore not powerful. He is a Numenorean and knows great sorcery. I would put him near the same power as Aragorn, just not as brave.

@JustCallMeKopi 2 года назад

I always was under the impression that the Mouth of Sauron was a being that was captured and enslaved by Sauron. You can see the ancient language of Mordor written on the helmet he wears and I thought it was a spell that allowed Sauron to speak through him and encourages complete devotion to Mordor.

@TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens 2 года назад

Very cool notion

@enigma9971 2 года назад

Nah. He chose his evil path

@jerryknuckles736 2 года назад

Saurons speaks just fine. Cool idea though

@yoshidinono8095 2 года назад

But that's not from the book. Just a vision of Jackson.

@dziecko8219 3 года назад

I absolutely adore your logo!

@ironrose6 3 года назад

When you ask how powerful the Mouth is compared to Aragorn, do you mean physically/magically or politically? Because it seems to me that the Mouth's greatest power is in its longevity. Politically, Aragorn became far stronger after the destruction of the one ring. Magically, there's no real way to tell without knowing which of the two reasons you offered for the Mouth's longevity is accurate.

@ClarusPolaris 2 года назад

Do you also have a podcast feed?? ☺️ loving your content!

@Roofers-Nail-Hardest Год назад

I ended up here in the wake of the Rings of Power disaster. This video shows just how deeply the producers of that show were out of their element. You are citing theories from ‘71 lol. Black Gate Opens is one of my most read chapters and I was always fascinated with the mouth character. I was let down when he was not in the movie but when I saw him in the extended it was worth the wait. I think they nailed it for not having as vivid a description as most other areas of the text. Good channel. This one’s for the true headz.

@juliankirrin7035 2 года назад

"And he entered the service of the dark tower when it first rose again". There's a few ways that can be interpreted. My question would be - what if "again" is referring to his service, and not to the tower's rising? As in, "he entered again the service of the black tower when it first rose." That meaning is not grammatically impossible by any stretch. That puts pretty different slant on it, and it certainly explains his fall and corruption over a great period of time, rather than a more recent joining, as is an initial conclusion. It begs some other questions though - if he entered "again", that means it wasn't the first time, so how many other times were there? And how long ago? And what was he doing in between? Perhaps the Mouth of Sauron is far older than we first imagine. Perhaps his service goes back as far as Morgoth. That would explain a lot. I'm not saying the meaning is any which way or the other, but it's certainly something to think about.

@singledad1313 2 года назад

That is way I always took that sentence to mean. He entered service AGAIN, not when the tower rose again. If the second meaning was intended, why did Tolkien say "when it first rose...". Why include first? I always believed that The Mouth of Sauron had served him before the Tower was ever built. Perhaps serving him when the rings were first created? His servitude spanned AGES and not centuries or millennia. His service to Sauron had so long and complete that all he knew was servitude to Sauron and his ambitions, so long that his own ambitions and desires had been supplanted. Hence, no one knew his name, who the individual was, only knew of his service as the Mouth of Sauron. That included his own memory. He had been the Mouth so long, acting as an extension of Sauron's will, that he literally became that extension at the cost of his own individuality and thought process.

@stevenbaker8184 2 года назад

@@singledad1313 it actually would depend upon if there is a comma and where in the sentence it is located. "When the tower rose again" would indicate that the tower was the subject, and "when the tower arose, again." Would indicate that he returned to Saurons service for a second time. Damn English language.

@user-sd7ri9fy4i 17 дней назад

Nice work dude thanks

@chrisjackson1843 Год назад

I read the books when I was 12.Im 46 now. Brushing up on my middle earth lore now that the rings of power is streaming. Good video, thanks

@jasonrhome710 2 года назад

I love the design that Weta created for The Mouth.

@figjam9530 Год назад

i know one thing. the physical appearance of the Mouth of Sauron certainly proves there is no Dentist of Sauron.

@murasakineko-chan9679 Год назад

When you said day job my brain was like montage time with the following jobs. Auctioneer of weapons and armor, Daily News and Weather announcer, Preacher of word of Sauron, Chief Architect of Mordor (at Saurons behest) and, Scary horses Rancher.

@syk9475 2 года назад

I won't lie, I've only see the movies but love the lore. Your videos are off the chain for someone like me looking to quickly dive into different characters

@Amp661 2 года назад

Read the books. Tolkien has all the answers you want.

@JariDawnchild 2 года назад

Much as I adore the books, it took me forever to read them. They are rather wordy, and it might be difficult for some folks to read. That's where videos like these come in handy. They can help put characters and events into less-wordy bites so a later re-reading is easier to follow.

@julioaguilar2970 2 года назад

Does nobody remember Aragorn decapitating him in the extended edition??

@sunkist1309 2 года назад

That didn’t happen in the books. In the books he demanded surrender but got intimidated by Aragorn and dipped

@azrazafiera 2 года назад

I remember the look Aragorn and the rest gave him like the look of 🤨 or something it was hilarious ! 😂

@alanmeires 2 года назад

Yes 👍

@archermadsen2028 2 года назад

It was a war crime for Aragorn to kill the mouth. It was out of character for the kind and righteous Aragorn to kill an ambassador.

@TabiOya 3 года назад

this is soo helpful man now i know finally lol thank you so much

@manwlhssakogiannis7120 3 года назад

I have never been so early to a video

@alex_mcclay 2 года назад

I wonder if the Mouth of Sauron is also the messenger from Mordor that Gloin mentions in The Council of Elrond. "..a horseman in the night, who called Dain to his gate. The Lord Sauron the Great, so he said, wished for our friendship. Rings he would give for it, such as he gave of old. And he asked urgently concerning hobbits, of what kind they were, and where they dwelt "For Sauron knows," said he, "that one of these was known to you on a time" The messenger could be one of the Ringwraiths searching for information about the Shire, but he sounds more like the Mouth because they both call Sauron "the Great", and he's a bit more chatty and eager to dole out terms and treaties than the Ringwraiths tend to be (lol). He's described more like a normal person than some eerie cloaked shadow, and he doesn't speak in thees and thous like the Witch-King.

@LandStrider23 2 года назад

Middle Earth presentation + Sapien Medicine background music. Nice!

@lilitharam44 2 года назад

Love your channel! Could you please do a video on the women of the Black Numenoreans? Beruthiel is a good example, she is stated as having been a Black Numenorean.

@sailorkek8672 3 года назад

I would've like to have seen Saruman and the Mouth of Sauron in a debate

@sauceyreef5166 3 года назад

He would not debate a master like Sauron, just serve. And he probably had not spoken with Saruman seeing the location differences and Saurons seeing eye acting as the middle man/communication. If they did have a interaction I imagine not much would be said as they are both servants of Sauron and debating amongst themselves would be pointless.

@sailorkek8672 3 года назад

@@sauceyreef5166 i think you miss my point, I just think it'd be funny to see the 2 bickering over petty issues whilst sauron is off actually doing things.

@sauceyreef5166 3 года назад

@@sailorkek8672 sorry I am just a nerdy realist with LOTR. Any situation with them arguing could be quite funny if this situation ever played out! Big mouth vs know it all haha.

@quitwastinmytime 2 года назад

Interesting point because Saruman seems like he would be light years ahead. The comparison kind of makes Mr Mouth look bad and by extension makes Sauron look bad.

@sauceyreef5166 2 года назад

@@quitwastinmytime it would actually be a pretty interesting confrontation I think. But yes seeing Saruman is a Maia and possibly thousands of years I think the mouth would be the bitch to both of them.

@icancdeadpeople16 2 года назад

I hear a lot og people assume that it was Nazgul who was sent to Erebor but I think it was The Mouth of Sauron who was sent as an ambassador and my main though is because the Nazguls mission was more or less a secret and the to announce their presence to Dain is a little weird and counter productive to their secrecy

@dionshaewishum4179 3 года назад

Alas, only if the foes were as fleshed out, as the heroes. A truly great work makes even a blade of grass, interesting.

@Phoebe5448 3 года назад

I'd really love a prequel about The Mouth Of Sauron! How he became seduced by the Dark Lords power in Numenor and came with him to Middle Earth, becoming so twisted and inflicting horrible torture on his victims.

@laurstefoni6296 3 года назад

I love your channel

@TheBrokenSword 3 года назад

Thank you! :D

@lukexelf12 3 года назад

I'd agree that he would have served Sauron for maybe a longer period then a normal human would live. But i'd pose that as he is a black numenorean i would say his life span might be slightly enchanced by magic, but he definetly didnt live thousands of years. A simple mouthpiece wouldnt be so important to Sauron that he'd give him longer lifespan then ring wraiths who are undead.

@sirandrelefaedelinoge 2 года назад

Please learn the difference between THEN and THAN...

@kenhammscousin4716 2 года назад

@Sir André LeFae de L'inoge oh bugger off. You know what he was communicating, that’s all that matters.

@Jeremycook_ 2 года назад

I don't think the Nazguls have a lifespan. Unless someome killed them somehow that is. They would never have died of old age

@claudius_drusus_ 2 года назад

Nah. He lived thousands of years by Saurons magic.

@JohnSmith-bt3xh 3 года назад

I believe Mouth of Sauron was roughly at the same level as *Imrahil*. Yes, he was a coward, but he have learned some witchcraft and was after all the lieutenant of Barad-dûr itself! But no, he is not at the same level as Witch-king for example. *First in my mind became Salgant, cause he was a coward too, and he has propably seen the light of the Two Trees. So he might be quite close to the Mouth, but...🤷‍♂️

@gabrielmendez5655 2 года назад

This is amazing. I always thought the witch king was his mouth. I must've been sleeping all this time. Now I'ma go watch all the movies over again. Thanks for the knowledge 😊

@GaMeRfReAkLIVE 2 года назад

Gotta watch those extended cuts

@Amp661 2 года назад

Please read the damn books. It has all the answers you need.

@singledad1313 2 года назад

Dear God, read the books. So much more information in it. Don't get your Middle Earth knowledge entirely from the movies.

@ambodach2467 2 года назад

Love the depiction in the film, from design to casting, for that dude is all mouth.

@EffequalsMA 3 года назад

Such a creature was very interesting. While terrifying, he did not display much bravery in facing Aragorn and the other emissaries, reminding the he wasn't to be assailed, when emotions ran high. I do think he came to Mordor when Sauron reoccupied it again and not before.

@_semih_ 3 года назад

"He did not display much bravery in facing Aragorn and the other emissaries" He was just a messenger, his task was not 'showing some bravery" against them. Also if he really had black sorcery of Sauron as it said, Aragorn couldnt kill him. Remember what was happened when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli tried to attack Gandalf in Fangorn. All of them dropped their weapons suddenly.. In Tolkien's world you cannot just attack a sorcerer/wizard. It's not D&D or RPG lol

@EffequalsMA 3 года назад

@@_semih_ Oh dear, I afford you the protection of a messenger.....That said, seeing as Tolkien is based on Northern European medieval and pre-medieval myth, legend, traditions and practice, messengers are afforded protection from retaliation due to the nature of their message, it's pretty easy to be brave in those circumstances. The heir of Elendil and Numenor should not need to be reminded of chivalrous and honourable actions and that shows the cowardice of the MOS. I think that is partly why Jackson took out the scene where Aragorn beheads the MOS in the theatrical release. It wasn't in keeping with his character arc but, also contradicts the honourable expectations for parley embedded in Northern European belief the story is based on.

@yoursafeplace8476 2 года назад

My only gripe with the Mouth of Sauron only being in his service for 68 years is that time moves differently for Sauron, 68 years is a few seconds in his perspective. I highly doubt that anyone would rise so high in the ranks that quickly, but if the MoS was around much much longer? It makes sense. Also knowing how powerful he was it really was dumb for him to be so easily killed in the movies. Oh well.

@oraoraora2625 2 года назад

good content bro, I'm new in your page

@TheBrokenSword 2 года назад

Thanks and welcome :)

@mosatsoni4324 3 года назад

Who was the mouth of sauron? Someone who needs a toothbrush.

@rangerofthenorth1970 3 года назад

First, amazing video as always, I dont think that he was powerfull at all he was just in the service of Sauron and Saurons powers powered him, when Sauron would want to.

@Hellspijker 3 года назад

from how i interpet the quote "first rose again" is that he joint sauron when he started to rebuild the tower, not at it's completion, don't know if it is known how long it took to be build. so at the begining of sauron's rebuilding of morder in the 3th age. and lieutenant of the tower would sugest from medival origins he is the permanent boss of the castle, and everything that goes with it, logisticly. like food weapons, construction/repaires. making him like a department head in the organisation.....

@thecreoleladyy7191 2 года назад

“The halfling was dear to thee I see “

@HandlesAreDumberThanYouThought 2 года назад

I figure the Mouth of Sauron could probably have taken Aragorn, as unpopular an opinion as it may be, or at the very least thought he could have. It may be a servant against a king, but he's described as a powerful and cunning sorcerer beyond any benefits he may share with Aragorn from his Númenórean blood; he was undoubtedly afraid at the meeting, but I chalk that more up to Gandalf than Aragorn. Even as twisted and vile as he is, any mortal has to be unnerved sitting there taunting a being of the same order as his god.

@fullglorywr8322 2 года назад

Agreed. Many say he fled. I wish i could read specifically what he did because he could have simply thought they were a waste of time and let the armies attack moving on to other business.

@wastenotime9292 3 года назад

I love it!

@TheBrokenSword 3 года назад

@nickibinns7393 2 года назад

i love your mouth of sauron voice teehee

@kingpoo1987 3 года назад

Amazing video

@TheBrokenSword 3 года назад

Thank you Eric 😊

@kingpoo1987 3 года назад

@@TheBrokenSword Your very Welcome.

@GayestWinston 3 года назад

Nice vid

@spencerpollock5688 3 года назад

what if the witch-king of angmar freed the Nazgul and himself from Sauron turning the Nazgul to his servants and rebuilding which Realm of angmar what would happening in Middle Earth and would the witch king be the dark lord of the third age can't wait to see the next episode 👍

@shadowofchaos8932 3 года назад

If you judge by the power or strength of the WitchKing, who was probably a Numenorean, in sorcery. I would guess the Mouth of Sauron would be a Ragagast level or Nazgul.

@gabrielmendez5655 2 года назад

That's what I always thought

@Amp661 2 года назад

Witch King was Numenorian, another was an Easterling. Unknown about the others. It's been awhile since I read the trilogy.

@aolochensky4365 2 года назад

Radagast was a Maia on equal level as Sauron, Sarumon and Gandalf. While there were certainly different power levels among the Maia (Sarumon is specifically stated as the strongest of the 5 wizards send to Middle Earth) and Radagast was not nearly as strong as any listed above, he would still be far stronger than any mortal man.

@fullglorywr8322 2 года назад

I believe Mouth of sauron is more powerful than we think. Yeah he didn’t fight but no one has seen anything similar or exactly like the thing he’s riding on until they see him face to face. Not to mention every creature they bump into had some sort of history or explanation as to what it was or what it could do. However, not a single explanation as to what he was riding on other than it looked like a black horse. As a sorcerer he could have created that thing.

@tasty6619 2 года назад

In the theatrical version, you can see right before Aragorn charges, he has blood on his sword which makes no sense without having decapitated mr Mouth. So all the more reason they shouldn't have cut the scene.

@CarParts08382 2 года назад

After learning of the literary corruption of Amazon's *dUh TuRd Uv DeR rAnGs,* I began to seek out the original film trilogy clips. Somehow I stumbled here but I'm grateful I found the channel. I've procrastinated for too long to learn more of Middle-Earth's lore & now it is the time for this more than ever before. Thank you! 🙏

@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork 2 года назад

"His day to day responsibilities" made me laugh out loud.

@smoothoperator149 3 года назад

Pretty cool to see reference to the cartoons for once 😂

@tuesday65971 2 года назад

I always assumed the Mouth of Sauron was an animated corpse. The way his head flopped to the side- it was as if he wasn't really alive.

@SuperBIGGY84 Год назад

Got to see this character for the 1st time last night in extended cut an he's awesome

@shoresean1237 3 года назад

Another, albeit extremely minor point of contention rests with the 1980 animated Mouth - or Voice Of Sauron. Different sources at different times have said it was either Rankin-Bass deep Vet Paul Frees or John "Mr. Slate" Stephenson. I've even heard Don "Scooby Doo" Messick. The explanation I have heard is that these productions often rushed to get the job done, and for minor characters did not keep track of who voiced whom. I will offer a defense to the RoTK film. Yes, killing a messenger or emissary is barbaric and against custom, but it could have given false hope to Sauron that his enemies' position and standing was more desperate and dire than it seemed, for Aragorn to do such a thing.

@JariDawnchild 2 года назад

Right. They called Sauron and his forces out in an effort to provide a distraction, empty Mordor and give Sam and Frodo easier passage to Mount Doom. Sauron probably thought they were all just idiots, but Aragorn slaying the Mouth would have given Sauron the impression they were desperate and didn't have much of an ulterior motive. The Mouth's slaying isn't book-canon, but it's not too out-of-character for Aragorn either, even if it's distasteful.

@palantir135 3 года назад

I agree with you about the age of this creature and where he came from. He is twisted by Sauron and can’t be that powerful

@jaredpope7305 3 года назад

Short answer, he’s Sauron’s gobbie giver 🤣🤣🤣

@brushylake4606 2 года назад

I had always assumed that the Mouth, like his master, fled the destruction of his master's realm and ventured somewhere distant to establish a smaller, evil realm out of the reach of the men of the west. Possibly, he fled to far Harad, or to Ruhn, or somewhere further east and build his own tower, using his power and stature to set himself over some group. Maybe the heirs of the Lords of the West came into conflict with him at some point in the future

@videocrowsnest5251 3 года назад

The Mouth of Sauron's dayjob mighta just been more of what he did as Sauron's main messenger: Running orders back and forth between Sauron and lesser beings under his sway, as well as perhaps dealing with day to day matters too small to bother Sauron himself over/delivering important information, reports, and news heard from lessers such as spies to him - Though I expect Sauron would have gotten a report from the Mouth whenever he dealt with minor matters on his behalf, so he stays in the loop and yet could keep his main focus on larger more important matters. So basically middle-management stuff and the likes, which probably came in handy as Sauron did have a rather large orc force to keep in line.

@brokentoes6721 2 года назад

good stuff.

@nikospoursalidis4153 3 года назад

Future video: who was the witch-king of angmar

@Phoebe5448 3 года назад

It's speculated he might have been a Numenoreon prince, but I'm not sure if that's a fan theory tho.

@Amp661 2 года назад

Read the notes Tolkien wrote. Pleass do your own research.

@barnabirap 2 года назад

I would say when comparing whether the Mouth or Aragorn is more powerful, you would need to take into consideration that he is indeed a formidable sorcerer. And being a king doesn't necessarily make Aragorn stronger. It's a title, that certainly comes with influential power. We also have seen his fears as a warrior so it's questionable whether the Mouth could even parry his attacks, but then again, there is not enough information on this character to really gauge this. Of course in a fight within the context of the story arc, Aragorn would have to win, bc plot armor, but in the matter of personal power, we truly don't know what a sorcerer like The Mouth of Sauron is truly capable of.

@narcolepticsleepsman 2 года назад

I thought I saw him get his head cut off by Aragorn in the extended edition, you said you weren't sure if he died , I remember seeing his head get cut off

@MisterDantastic 2 года назад

Meh, just a flesh wound.

@JariDawnchild 2 года назад

The book didn't mention his death. That was an artistic liberty taken by Jackson. A good scene, but not book-canon.

@singledad1313 2 года назад

The movie isn't canon, just poetic licensing.

@annaroselarsen4218 3 года назад

Hay move videos its is awesome!

@oldoneeye7516 3 года назад

Before you mentioned that there is a theory that The Mouth lived through the Second Age i would never have thought about the possibility. First, as you rightfully said, the quote is very unambiguous: "When it first rose again." The stress here is clearly on again, *not* on first. According to the books, Barad Dûr was rebuilt when Sauron returned to Mordor, which was only after the White Council attacked Dol Guldur during the events of The Hobbit. Yet, that does not need to be the exact time when he entered the service of Sauron. "The service of the Black Tower" and the "first rise" could very well refer to the regaining of power of the realm for which the tower was a symbol, not the thing itself. Which would put the begin of his service somewhere between 2002 and 2941 TA. The other viewpoint would mean that he was already a powerful sorcerer about 1000 SA (which is when the building started), making him more than 5000 years old. If sorcery of any kind could achieve that, the black Numenorians would have lived *longer* than their faithful brethren, but infact they lived shorter. The one and only possibility for him to live that long would have been with a ring of power - which he did not possess, otherwise he would have become a wraith. He is human after all. As for his power - how do you mean that question? There are many forms of power. Could he have beaten Aragorn in a 1:1? Well, given that Eowyn could beat the Witchking, sure, why not. Could he beat someone like Gandalf or maybe Glorfindel? Not a chance in hell. As a sorcerer he might be as powerful as the Witchking before he became a wraith.

@one_eyed_guilly7016 3 года назад

if the mouth of sauron was in deed as close to sauron as depicted, then i would like to assume that he must be in the thousands of years old. also, with long age, it would make sense that his "old name" would be forgotten. I also like believe that he is quite powerful. Otherwise he would not be sitting at the head table. He was probably, IMO, an advisor to sauron.

@zacharylee3565 3 года назад

Do a video about where the wizards came from , gandalf , radagast and the blue wizards

@ottopoweroff494 2 года назад

I would think that he may have been a sorcerer of enough skill to escape the final battle and collapse of the tower. It would be interesting to consider what he became in later years. Skillfully hidden using guile and sorcery, I would t be surprised to find him a trusted councilor to someone very prominent. ;)

@In_The_80s 2 года назад

At 5:03, the rising smoke and fire releasing from the volcano in the background looks like its forming the face of an orc.

@TheMinarus 2 года назад

Aragorn and the men of the West show up at the gate: Mouth of Sauron: "What the hell you waiting for! Get my horse ready, I finally have a job to do after several fucking thousand years of waiting!" lmao

@kevinpotts123 3 года назад

Other than making Aragon look bad by beheading him, I really liked the Peter Jackson version of the mouth of Sauron.

@user-ju1pl7nc9u 3 года назад

Me too

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

I didn't like the extent of the liberty taken by Jackson in the case of the MOS' demise. Some changes I liked but not this one.

@dietersmit6639 3 года назад

I enjoyed the full scene. Especially Aragorn losing it a bit and slain the disgusting posessed creature.

@Amp661 2 года назад

@@dietersmit6639 scene was shit. It's a pussy move to kill an emissary, plus he wasn't possessed by anything, he was Saurons tool to help rally Saurons reacension to power. Read the book.

@trekstarsam2494 Год назад

I would appreciate if you could take a stab at this question... How did Sauron manage to keep his ruling ring after the sinking of numenor? Tolkien made it clear that Sauron perished during the sinking of Numenor, and only his spirit endured. Spirits cannot carry rings or any other object, so it would make sense that the ring also would be at the bottom of the sea. How did he transport it back with him to Mordor as a simple spirit? Was this even possible and couldn't he have also done the same once Isildur cut it from his finger?