Who are the GOAT players in League of Legends? - Summoning Insight S4E10 (feat. IWillDominate) 

Bengi won more world titles then any other jungler in the world has won domestic titles....No matter who your midlaner is, that is insane, u dont win world titles with BAD players.

@@ragex2636 I think LWX is bad. literally flips the coin every game. if that team didnt have the exact set of players they had in the other 4 positions, they would not win worlds, but if LWX is replaced by any ADC that got into Quarters that year, they'd still win.

@@kelex1298 yet the facts dont support that, LWX had the highest stats of any ADC during the worlds. So facts say he was the best ADC. And they 100% win worlds even in a 4v5 vs G2, G2 played so bad not even funny. LWX could have afked in base and won that easily.

@@ragex2636 I mean those stats mean very little as the argument thats being stated. LWX was actually a lot better than he currently is. I think hes a little bit better than wolf was for skt but not by a lot. At that time youd 100% not take Kobbe over him. LWX wasnt a world beater at the time and has only gotten worse and we will see who they do decide to import. But back to your point stats to combat his team was the reason he was so far ahead is mind blowing to even try to be an argument point. But with this logic Xiaohu was awful in the past and not looking at what was actually happening in the games would be to much work so we are only taking stats. But now after 5 years he randomly got so much better.

​@@itsthekid9815 And im not saying Bengi is the best of all time, but any1 who says hes trash is really a complete moron and a idiot. You dont win 3 world titles if u are trash, NO MATTTER who your team mates are.

It’s because literally all 3 of them understand how actual discourse works, you don’t have to agree on everything to have an actual civil discussion. I come back and rewatch this episode so often just because these 3 together is just amazing.

@@PvtShiznit yes, still holdup in their new videos

​@@ftu2021for sure 😂

I'm not particularly fond of how Thorin used "Faker setting up plays by himself and calling all the shots" against the argument for Bengi as jungler... Then follows this up with how "tons of times Faker wasn't that good" to boost his own argument for Rookie as mid.

@@animorte9790 he's the hater version of a t1 fan dom is rational and gives credit where it is due even though he calls himself a t1 hater

@@hanbyeol12 Thorin's just a hater in general. He's such a hater that when he started to fall out of favor with people because they realized he only ever has negative things to say, he claimed he has autism and tried to blame it on that 😂

Don't forget Rekkles

God Tier picks as always

no ryoma? no sneaky? garbage analysis, won't watch.

I saw your comment on reddit lol

Sad no Impact

Right as I check the video. Thank you.

Thank you! Best Mid being the shortest discussion makes a lot of sense.

@@MauriceGucci Mid is easy because Faker exists

Well there is rly only 2 player atm who can be counted As the Best mid ever atm and thats what they were taling about :D although the honorable mentions are interesting As well

@@Zefmor not even two, 2 of them added rookie for the sake of adding, mid lane isnt even a conversation its over

Take monte out and I agree

If only we could get LS in here with along with phreak 🤣🤣🤣

Monte is the worst analyst/caster in leagues history what

@@jackmckeown616 he was LS before LS, what do you mean?

@@jackmckeown616 What are you even on about??? Monte literally is one of the goats of analysts/casters. He was literally one of the people who started talking more in depth about korean league and brought that way of playing to the west.

what are they

Cat Face bless

@@M.L.official most of the really interesting one's are related to IG's side of the bracket due to both quarter finals ending in what was considered the less likely result by many at the time. What if G2 don't upset RNG who won everything they could've won that year up to that point? That leads to RNG vs either KT, which according to some experts before the quarters would've been the "actual final", or IG, which would've been a repeat of best of 5s from both spring and summer play offs (semi and final respectively) which both ended 3-2 in favour of RNG. The resulting finals would have been nice from a story line perspective. Both IG and RNG could've been the first LPL team to win worlds (which IG ended up being), RNG could've won everything that year, KT super team could've given 3 all time greats that elusive worlds title (Mata already having one and Ucal hardly qualifying as an all time great) and FNC could've been first EU team to win actual worlds (friendly reminder that S1 was only given the status of worlds retroactively). Out of these I think RNG vs FNC had the most potential to be an interesting series, given that RNG's solo lanes had been a bit underwhelming and FNC might have had an advantage there, although the mid advantage being less certain considering that Caps looked a off against the other LPL mids at the tournament and who knows whether Xiaohu would've stopped randomly under performing once in finals. There are even more what-ifs related to the tie breakers (and even further what-ifs if you want to look at tie breakers that would've happened if one match in a group had ended differently (TL vs EDG tie breaker and C9 vs VIT tie breaker being the most likely of these imo) but let's not get into all that. Interestingly enough, there's not that many imo at least somewhat realistic what-ifs for the other side of the play-off bracket. The most realistic alternate reality for that side is EDG winning vs FNC and then going on to the finals (I don't see either C9 or AF beating FNC or EDG). TL;DR: one bracket had 3 of the 4 best teams (arguably 3 best teams), among them the 2 biggest favourites (KT & RNG), both of which lose their respective quarter final

what if the shy finishes faster than kt in game 3? would we still talk about the series that much?

@@merobo5066 Well put! I couldn’t have compiled it better myself. Much of the fuckery came from the meta shift heading into playoffs. IG clearly had the best two solo lanes, but the solo lane meta wasn’t as prevalent in groups, hence why FNC won their tiebreaker and ruined the other side of the bracket. The G2 series is probably the most epic one I know, but it’s appalling that just one series ruin RNGs chances who was destined for the golden road and that we get no more series between the more dominant teams. The format is egregious. So many good series to be had with teams that never will be again. If KT won worlds, Smeb and Score would easily be the goat in respective position while Deft would challenge Uzi and perhaps even overtake him, because the title weighs more than you think in people’s minds

Feels like he is casting to a group of friends not someone who has a job casting like the rest

So many over the years, let me remind you, 2013 KT Bullets denied b/c of points system/SKT. 2014 KT Arrows denied b/c of NJWS. 2016 the GP baron steal against ROX. 2017 the SKT reverse sweep. 2018 facing iG in the QF at worlds.

I finally had it and switched to DWG since 2019. Its been goood

I was a CJ Entus fan until their relegation, when i decided to become a KT fan because of Score. After KT continously let me down just like CJ did i just kinda quit watching pro LoL religously.

i've always been an skt fan (i just started watching esports when madlife was the best player in the world) and even i felt super bad for kt...

dont mind thorin

scout should be a candidate for 3rd greatest mid of all time behind faker and rookie IMO everything thorin said abt meiko playing with iboy and being good for like, 4 years (2017-2021) can be said for scout but even more so. he literally was the hard carry of an edg team as a midlaner with a washed up jungler (clearlove) or a random rookie player and a literal who in toplane+either iboy who was mad inconsistent, jinjao (who) or hope as a fucking giga rookie teenager.

I cant seem to forget his name like ever. He got roflstomped all the way to Uranus it's insane lmao. He actually the only player I remember from the 2015 Tigers roster

@@amadeux5471 I dont watch shit tier esports so dont know him and wont remember

@@ImTheSpaceman Maybe, problem is I don't think he watched enough pro play, especially KR pre-s8. I get the impression he hasn't watched a ton of domestic KR and mainly saw them at international events back then. He is good at making arguments despite this though and I respect him for throwing his hat in the ring considering

@@jubjub6330 nah bro dom himself said that he watched everything since he was a pro, it was literally his life basically still is

@@Nnothingg- I'm sorry but you simply can't have seen everything regarding pro LoL, there are so many games across the 4 major regions that it's basically a full time job. It's quite literally impossible for him to have watched all of LPL and LCK while he was streaming 12 hours a day. I'm not blaming him either I think there are very very few people if any who studied all major regions across the last 7 years.. It's an absurd amount of games/time spent each week

@@jubjub6330 yes because i for sure meant it quite literally, bro just stop being such an idiot and stop trying so hard to sound smart but say nothing

@@Nnothingg- What did you mean by he watched everything then? I don't believe that he watched even all LPL and LCK playoffs those years

IG were about as talented if not more though.

@@M.L.official At the time yea iG probably had greater talent (TheShy/Rookie and Jackielove) but the name recognition on that KT team was insane as was kinda discussed in this episode.

They are the Tottenham Hotspur’s of league of legends

Get out of here man. It's obviously eika. There's a reason he gohomea in the lcs. Man was ruthless

Fenix might be better than both of them

@@jaesingh9408 you guys are all forgetting the one and only Reginald, the Blue card visionary

We all know it is Goldenglue

The NA goat mid that deserves to be in the conversation for best of all time is obviously Pobelter. Just look at his longevity. No team could hold onto his power for very long.

Good point.

To be fair, today is a different era, korea doesn’t have their Starcraft 2 infrastructure and are so weak, LPL are aggressive and lose to NA as well. Lucky to have Fnatic change their playstyle and thus int to win 2018. You can see this luck clearly by IG losing to Team Liquid MSI.

Wtf verlis plays league? I used to watch your videos like 7 years ago lmao

@@keelwn547 I have had a handful of league videos sprinkled in the channel over the years

I clearly remember that faker was one of the first people in pro play to mechanically string abilities together seamlessly. Such as when ambitions kha evolved in front of faker and he solo killed him. There was probably no one in pro play at that time who thought of punishing that mistake in such a short time frame as people do now.

Impact has always been one of my favorite players to follow since the sneaky vids back in the day lmao

S7 Quarterfinals Singed vs. Team WE was insane.

FBI OPEN UP

Unfortunately he played so long in the wild card region called NA that people forgot he was a world class player

@@TheRebornJuker is*

impact is washed and can only play morde

the crazy thing is like they said, everytime he is supposed to get shit on, he either is completely fine or he even turns it and shits on the person who is supposed to crush him

@@ragex2636 When you think about it he's possibly the best international performing player NA has ever had.

@@DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour without a doubt, when it comes to international, he always becomes best player on his team

Mid is hard because faker and rookie are too dominate

caps was never the best mid in the world. At no point. when he is maybe he can be included

Caps isnt mentioned because hes so far eternally stuck in that like 4th to 6th+ spot not top 2 or 3 spot

@@ThePolarpop yea lmao idk wtf people are watching thinking caps has ever been top 2 or 3

@@M.L.official If Caps wasn't Top 2-3 in 2019 who was?

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Rookie should show up at world's more than once or twice and MAYBE try to show up at MSI once in his career to even sneeze at Faker.

@@bonesh0ckerz oh he did show up at msi and beat faker in 17 minutes. And rookie plays in a way better region. Korea has had one good team in the last 2 years, which is damwon.

@@joaobrito2653 You mean 1 all-time great team? Because Korea has had plenty of good teams over the past 2 years. 2019 SKT, 2020 DRX, 2019 Griffin just to name a few. Edit: Ps so we are going to pretend as if SKT didn't return the favor to IG in their 2nd meeting at that year's MSI? Oh yeah, you also obviously have not seen 2013/2017 Faker if you think 2018 TheShy is the greatest pfp LoL pro of all time

@@madarauchiha4329 I said damwon is the only good team Korea has had the past 3 years. The only other one you can argue is skt 2019. Gen g got beat 3-0 at worlds and got always choked in 2020, drx were chokers and griffin choked too. Griffin every time they had a bo5 they would just giga overthink the draft and always went away from what made them good. Seriously, their series against IG in 2019 they made chovy play tanks vs rookie instead of skill matchups and made dog shit sword play skill matchups against the shy, so yeah it was quite impressive they even managed to win 1 game that series. And 2019 skt was good but not great. They were very predictable, which is why they got beat by g2 pretty consistently. G2 beat them twice in the group stage of msi, then beat them in semi finals of msi and worlds. That was generally the fault of Korean teams, just too predictable. Damwon was predictable but they were so good that you knew what they were gonna do and there was still nothing you could do about it. And this year damwon went 6-0 in spring playoffs and Didn’t look too hot at msi, so if they can shit stomp the lck that hard and not even look great internationally that shows how not good the other lck teams are.

@@joaobrito2653 You're mistaking good with great here.

Good point actually

He lost them every worlds appearence

Choked every worlds sadly

This ^^^

the best player that doesnt shot call... never gets any blame for any team he was on even though his original team was stacked...lol

@@mylastaccount8328 nemesis award haha

@@tim251199 he got blamed and flamed into not playing what do u mean LOL.

Poor chovy.. only gets to play with garbage players like on GRF.. and DRX.. oh wait he had Tarzan.. Viper.. Lehends.. Kiera.. deft.. pyosik.. dorran.. just absolute trash who wouldn't get in even an LCS team... NOT

Yeah esp the fact that they beat the best team in the world at the time, SSB pre worlds patch

I still remember that Noc pick in game 5 and won that LCK

Lux was more of a Flex pick since rapidstar main was lux but y madlife was the one that popularized zyra sup

he was also on the skt t1 s roster which had easyhoon marin bang and wolf

Nope if your shit you don’t deserve a second chance

@@TheRebornJuker the more games played, the higher chance the better team wins

@@keelwn547 thats why i hate looser brackets it hurts upsets

@@TheRebornJuker What kind of logic is this? Groups placing is already dog shit as it is. 2016 and 2018 is literally the embodiment of how bad it is. A resounding majority considered SKT vs Rox and IG vs KT to be the greatest series of games in worlds AND BOTH OF THEM WASNT PLAYED IN THE FINALS. Who's to say that either Rox or KT could have beaten their opponents the second time they face each other. These teams are so similar in skill level but unfortunately one team had to lose. Loser's bracket could create upsets yes but team who's better should always win regardless who's their opponent. Just look at Dota 2's OG in Ti 8. They were able to beat the tournament favorites TWICE. When people still doubted their ability and labelled it as luck, they just to Ti 9 and won making them the first two time international champions in the game's history. tl;dr - Loser's bracket is hella good, your logic is nonsense, this is proven by League's 2016 and 2018 worlds and OG's miracle run in Dota 2's Ti 8 and then cementing themselves in Ti 9.

He is still one of the best Supports to ever play Lol.

@@jamescalder5115 Not really. there's non pros that are most likely better. what mainstream says doesnt matter ,just your limited point of view

He has played in na so he automatically get disqualified. Wild card region players can’t be in the conversation

@@TheRebornJuker i mean, if thats the case Perkz shouldnt be there either lol

@@tehawsumninja its already happning slowly but surely his mechanis will be worse and worse for every season he plays in NA. Also by playing in NA his IQ will drop rapidly

@@TheRebornJuker yes but i meant: the three of them included Perkz on this list, so then that shouldnt exclude corejj is my point. We obviously are negating NA-itis and just focusing on their abilities in a bubble

CLG.EU won a group with Najin Sword in season 2 as well. I do think the Flash Wolves in season 5 is the most impressive of them because it came during the absolute peak of Korean dominance, which was season 4-7.

for me the difference between smeb and 2 is bigger than between uzi and 2 the only definitive ones are faker and mata in my eyes

The problem with caps is he is just like chovy a godly mechanical midlaner.

if you replace uzi with the comsensus 2 or 3 adc you have deft its so wild that a team with 4/5 goated players didnt win i still remember always thinking how they managed not to win with that kt lineup tbh that kt team is still on paper the most stacked in history

i think Wolf deserves an honorable mention, not Bang forsure. But I think Wolf was an amazing player

Wolf was awesome and the reason for the SKT comeback vs EDG at Worlds 2017. To think people though Faker and his shockwave was the reason just forgot that Wolf made it happen.

응 뱅 >>> 데프트야 병x아 ㅋㅋㅋ BANG >>>> DEFT, UZI

Picking Deft and Uzi makes this list fucked. The “No worlds, but they must be the best cuz they looked insane” argument is so dumb.

@@user-bo4bx2cg7f that is the most ass backwards thing ever.

Season 8 Broxah was build different if you compare him from then to now

Tabe got to Worlds finals once, your argument is invalid

@@LiveErrors K

Has Gilius retired yet?

@@ProvencaLeGaulois LUL

@@ProvencaLeGaulois he is no player he is a god

Griffin may be the greatest tragedy in League esports- such a good team with no titles to their name. Imo at their peaks more impressive than Damwon was last summer.

GRF were overrated. They were touted as the most dominant team in LCK... but never actually won anything. They completely collapsed when the Pressure was on. 2018 - 13-5 - In Koreas weakest year; KZX getting stomped by RNG at MSI, GenG going 1-5, Afreeca getting stomped by C9 and KT losing in Qtrs to IG... Griffin lost to KT and then lost to Gen G despite being Heavy favourites in both series. 2019 - 15-3 - got stomped by SKT in spring finals 3-0. 2019 - 13-5 (Same as DWG w/ Nuclear) - got stomped by SKT in summer finals 3-1. They aren't even comparable to DWG in Summer 2020... who were the clear cut best team in LCK and in the world without Question. The only team close to them in LCK was DRX and they stomped them in finals. Griffin in 2019 were not more impressive than DWG in summer 2020. Like what?

@@jamescalder5115 You have to go back and watch Griffin's games to understand how crazy their ascent was. In their rookie split they dominated the regular season (Viper could play ADCs and any other champ bot lane, Chovy was a menace, Tarzan was one of the best jungles in the world) and took KT to 5 games. It was close- the superteam of Korea at their peak almost lost to a bunch of upstart rookies. Admittedly they fell apart in the gauntlet and became another victim of the samsung gauntlet run. Griffin would go long stretches of time looking unstoppable- their issue became that once they suffered a big loss it had a significant mental affect on them and they would play worse for a while after. I would not be surprised if that was in part due to the old-korean starcraftesque atmosphere of their teamhouse.

@@bik7590 I understand their ascent... they were just overrated, people like to pretend that they were stronger back in the day than DWG in summer 2020 when just off eye test they were hugely flawed - DWG were the best team in the world in Summer and it wasn’t close - The meta perfectly suited them, they had the best players in every role and the aggressive but controlled style they played perfectly mixed with the Meta. They had an insane ascent in 2018 but they were hugely flawed as a team and I think people overvalue how good they were as a team, specifically to take away from DWG because; 1.) Chovy was on Griffin. 2.) Because they don’t like DWG. They are labelled as equivalent to DWG in summer 2020 when they were mentally weak, struggled to play from behind, had often bad reads on the Meta (Like Lucian Funnel), ignored strong picks for other teams like Rulers Vayne or tried to overforce plays even if things weren’t working for them... they would also randomly go off the boil and sometimes would look like they were playing on separate pages. Same as Individually they were great but if one part of the team fell behind... the wheels would fall off because they couldn’t cover each other’s weaknesses so they would just bleed out... Griffin against DWG now would potentially be more competitive but not worlds DWG.

youre forgetting their former world champ midlaner PawN

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yeah does it last the whole interview or does he change it? (nvm it stops after about 4 mins)

I dont even watch shit esports, after dyrus and the old players are gone,the pros are mostly shit zoomers