+Trinexx360 Was more like a snuff film. Quentin Tarantino would have made it better IMO, would probably give Jebus a sword and make him kill everyone. Jebatrix Kiddo :D
Even if the god described in the old testament was proven to actually be real, I still wouldn't see any need or reason (beyond some vague threat of punishment) to 'worship' such an immoral being.
Luis: Jesus was SUPPOSED to die on the cross. After all, he knew it was going to be temporary. Years ago, I had some surgery without anesthetic. It was terribly painful, but I knew it was temporary and would "fix" the problem, so I hung in there. In about three hours it was over, and problem fixed. It was bad, but it wasn't impossible. Jesus wasn't supposed to handle three nails. He was supposed to suffer and die...so it's not a definitive answer. there are other, better ones. Take your post, "God supposedly can create a whole universe, walk on water and feed a thousand people with a loaf of bread..but can't handle chariots of iron." THERE. I think that's a better one.
Good observation, Luis. This reminds me of a Borges' short story where Judas was the real Messiah. Without Judas' treason, there would not have been a Christ. I love this Borges' story, it is even more convoluted than the Trinity official line.
Jillian Smith Jesus wasn't real. Even if he was, and everything said about him is true, the whole premise of what the point of the sacrifice was, and how it could possibly seen as good or moral, or even any kind of sacrifice, makes no sense to anyone who actually uses their brain.
davids11131113 How can you claim that Star Wars is not real? It happend a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. So were you there to see it not happening? I didn't think so, so it has to be real.
I cant understand how people are satisfied with "God" being the answer to all these big questions. Look where science has gotten us, do you not want to go further? The progress of human understanding is what I love about science and one of my personal goals in life.
+Marius ”Mani” Nilsen Easy. Everything that science managed to do is because God, so God is good by his own merits (according to Christians) and also nicks the merits of science.
Well if you want my take on it, I think a God is ultimately necessary because it explains why we as humans are able to reason at all. It also explains the rational intelligibility of the universe. Many atheists are also materialists, and this ultimately means everytime we think or reason or believe in something, all that is happening is that our brains are undergoing some chemical reaction. This is why many people with these views hold that determinism is true, but if that were the case, there would be nothing to talk about. Every time we "reason" the "reasoning" would have been determined by previous natural causes. It seems more and more absurd to believe that we can reason at all under this worldview. Also, just because God is used as an explanation doesn't mean that it is a wrong explanation. For example, if I were to ask you why does the water in the pot boil? You can give a scientific explanation that heat causes the molecules to shake up and break apart into Hydrogen and Oxygen gas. You can also say, the water is boiling because I'm thirsty and want to make some tea. You can use the laws of internal combustion to explain the motor car engine, you can also say that Henry Ford made it. They are not in conflict with one another. I don't think people's belief in God is holding science back from making any new discoveries. I don't get why people like to create a conflict between God and science.
And there's the problem with the mindset of the Religious. They simply can't grasp the idea that some of us don't believe someone (a God) created us. This is despite the fact they they have no evidence to support their view.
J.D. Fredricksen Then I suggest that you go spend some time getting your thoughts organized and come back when you have the ability to present a coherent thought.
They always asks these stupid questions like, "What if you had a divine experience with god. Would that change your mind?" You might as well ask the caller if he had a divine experience with Zeus, would that change his mind? (And they would proceed to find THAT question absurd, while not recognizing that it's the same damned question they just asked.)
"Who do you think your creator is?" = the stars (which include our sun) Without stars there were only hydrogen & helium in the universe = no life Without the sun the earth would be frozen / not formed = no life Without the sun there would be nothing to eat = no plants with photosynthesis
Max Mustermann: RA'men! I've long thought if I HAD to worship something, it'd be the sun. Not in the sense of tanning all the time, but just in terms of "who created me...' though as you point out, the stars that have already died are really our creator(s). Ours hasn't created anyone yet.
Akhenaten (King Tut's father) tried that ; it didn't work out too well, I'm afraid...because the polytheist clergy weren't too keen on their gravy-train being derailed. I rather suspect that Tut lived in fear for the last couple of years of his short life, but that's another story.
+foxeh123 I didn't take it as him not caring. I just assumed he was wise and knew not to engage further if he didn't have a good comeback. But maybe I overestimate people?
+Angelica But that's the thing - why is it about having a comeback? It's like he used the question as a weapon, it failed, and then he used another question as a weapon (which also failed). It didn't seem like he had genuine interest in understanding their positions or in re-evaluating his own in light of their answers.
That's exactly what I have been saying for years - friends ask me if I had "devine" experience, would it change my mind? The answer is no, because I would contribute it to my mind playing tricks on me, or some mental disease that causes hallucinations and dellusions.
neat that that questioner was so easy to talk with. No quarrel about what you believe with pushback to convert you guys. That's how I became an atheist. Listening to all religions and non religions and deciding which was just a perception and which showed proof.
+Steve Darius Ironically, until you show them empirical evidence that negates some of their beliefs. Then, their threshold for what constitutes believable evidence suddenly goes flying through the roof...
I really don't think he was expecting the answers he got. He probably honestly thought he was gonna stump them when he called the show. Funny how he was speechless at the end
Geez, the guy compares Passion of the Christ to the work of Spielberg and claims that SPIELBERG has never produced anything with as much emotional impact? Dude, people still remember Schindler's List 21 years after it came out, and I expect they will still remember it in the years to come. It is a timeless, emotionally provocative movie that resonates through generations not only because of Spielberg's masterful direction, but because of the subject matter with which it deals. Passion of the Christ came out 10 years ago. Who the fuck remembers it?
What an unusual conversation! Well, at least for the Atheist Experience. I mean, most callers want to argue about this or the other, but this guy, he just asked his questions and said goodbye! He didn't sound happy or sad or pleased or disappointed with the answers he got, so we just don't know what this was all about!
I actually like The Passion of the Christ. I think it's a beautiful movie. Of course, I also love The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Night of the Living Dead... 😕
I love Rock'n'Roll You got the who part down. You forgot the what: Sperm and egg. and why: Shagging. Three different explanations and still a theist won't accept them. ;)
I actually respect the caller in this clip, he sounded like he was genuinely curious about what they thought and why. He didn't try to "convert" them or scare them about going to hell, etc. That caller is going to go places in life, expanding the knowledge he has and raised to be polite and considerate. Good on you Mr Caller!
I think the whole concept of time beginning at the big bang is really interesting. Thus actually making the universe eternal, because you can't have... before time. Physicists are getting so close to a decent it's amazing.
"A divine experience with god"? It's pretty funny that most of those experiences are natural phenomenon that the person experiencing it simply refuses to rationalize in any way. As if "coincidence" doesn't exist....
They ask us non-believers what we think and will it result in us believing finally but. .it's been years and at this point is it pretty safe to say that God has run out of places to hide.
I love how the caller asks at the end when the show is on, even though he mentions at the beginning that he’d been following the show regularly. Hahahah! Yeah.
+nostalgicpep - Your thinking is flawed. Humanity is all one species. We spread from Africa all over the world in a very, very, very, very gradual manner. We never migrated, we simply spread as the population grew. Our genetics actually have within them the very markers of this progress over the globe, which we can track via mutations and ERV insertions through those populations that have settled and stayed put in their new regions. The reason different areas of the world have different looking people is that those who moved toward colder less sunny areas ended up not needing so much skin pigment and those who had less survived better and soon those populations became lighter skinned. Also the dietary restrictions of some areas shaped how people looked and behaved. Our knowledge doesn't extend deep enough for me to know why certain humans from certain areas have specific features like eye shape or hair texture, but those little details are really meaningless against the fact that it just takes time and things will change. A lot of time. That's all that is needed.
If god revealed himself to me so that I know that god exists, I would probably become a misotheist. Just because I know that he exists doesnt force me to worship him. Just because I know he exists doesn´t mean that I throw my moral compass away.
I love this bullshit question, "what do you believe in ", as if you don't believe in the omnipotent god , you somehow don"t . have any morals or life foundations.
Mel Gibson's passion of the Christ made me faint. It was a disgusting snuff movie. I have a relatively low tolerance for seeing human blood but to make me faint, that's in a category of its own.
My question back to the caller would be.. if someday in the future, you had a personal divine experience from god, his name is Xenu, would you become a Scientologist?
+bad1dobby Yeah. He asked them a hypothetical question. They each answered it sincerely. To answer your question, the point could be pressed. "Okay, you're confident that it would never happen. But we're dealing with a hypothetical. And whether you would be guided by your own experience...even if that experience is outside of what you expect." Angelina Jolie won't walk in this room right now, plant a big kiss on you and drag you out the door to the nearest private place. But, hypothetically, if that WERE to happen, what would your reaction be?
***** Point taken. You're right that the Jolie scenario is at least possible. I was settling for trying to use the statistical unlikelihood to express the it's not even 50:50. It's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisss unlikely to be true. But that was inadequate.
one of the most amusing stories i've heard about Gibson's movie....I have a jewish friend who went, and at one part, there is a section they are quoting directly from the Torah, and it's a well known passover prayer my friend has known since childhood...nothing special about it to him... When that section that came up, my friend reflexively started reciting the prayer...people around him started thinking he was having some kind of religious experience and were trying to touch him and in complete awe of him.... and once he realized people were seeing him that way, he started laughing hysterically about it....
Tell them to watch the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster. I believe that even religious people will get something from this one. it's the other side of the mystery that makes people feel that we are not alone....for a completely different, but equally amazing reason. I especially loved her response when she was asked. "So you want us to take this all on Faith?" Priceless.
As much as I like watching some callers getting shut down by the hosts (Jeff, especially, going all "fire and brimstone" on them is a guilty pleasure of mine :-) ), it's really nice when the get a reasonable caller like this. To me, you could tell he was listening to what they said, and his questions (loaded or not) were asked politely. Probably one of my favourite callers to listen to.
At the start the caller says he has been watching their show for a while now. Then, at the end he asks how often do they have their show on, because he just saw it right now. People will Troll.
I'll concede that I did not clarify how I was using theory: what I mean is that there are absolutes that are, to our knowledge, certain within our universe, such as gravity, whereas theories leave some degree of uncertainty (though most, if not all, of the greatest theories there are have far more reasons supporting them than any other relevant explanation). I simply meant to address that the laws are regarded as being more certain than theories; in terms of descriptive models of characteristics
The sequel to Passion: Jesus walking around heaven going "Check out these holes" "I'm so glad I am not in Hell" "Dying for sins was easy. Look at me now, I'm GOD"
Very respectful caller. That's the kind of people they need more calls from. Never know...one of those calls may have the truth and real evidence that nobody's expecting. I doubt it, but you never know.
I've woken up feeling that I've had some kind of profound revelation... which lasted until I was fully awake and realized that that was just the aftermath of a bizarre dream.
IMO the universes creation was an after affect of the last universe ending. Its like how if the continent keep drifting apart they will eventually go back together only to eventually drift apart again
3:36 my first reaction would be to seek out a neurologist. 4:29 the passion play of the chrust movie, was a snuff film and Gibson should be hospitalized as well the people that found life changing value in the POS movie.
So what mechanism prevents these changes in genetic composition through successive generations through various selection pressures to form a phenotype which completely distinct from the original species? If you don't believe that species can evolve then do you think that all extant species co-existed with all extinct species throughout the history of the planet?
"The Passion of the Christ". A Christian-themed torture porn. If the character on that cross were anybody but Jesus, Christians would have gone into hysterics over the violence of it.
