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Who Is Best In Suikoden V (Tier List) 

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@ericcassell5343
@ericcassell5343 3 года назад
The music with Jeane, every time you showed her, is the reason I subscribed. I haven't laughed this hard in a long while 🤣
@SpanishFly120
@SpanishFly120 4 года назад
A Suikoden 5 character ranking video? My god. I actually didn't know about the Ernst thing until recently, so my party wound up being Freyjadour(Prince)/Lyon/Richard/Zerase/Miakis/Cathari. As you could expect...I didn't really struggle, lol. Also, I'll ALWAYS remember what I saw a walkthrough once say: "If you give Zerase a Flowing Rune and a Magic Absorb Rune, the game gives up and lets you win".
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
Haha that was my exact party. Great taste my friend.
@guillaumelevasseur277
@guillaumelevasseur277 3 года назад
The magic absorb rune is op as hell, any character with enough slots becomes a healer if you like or just bombs away. also, some "weaker characters" like zweig and lorelei have the treasure hunter ability that makes faming them easier.
@Mia-dt3gl
@Mia-dt3gl 3 месяца назад
My final party was Freyjadour, Lyon, Miakis, Ernst, Nelis, and Zerase.
@amalaspina
@amalaspina 3 года назад
What i would give to see more suikoden content online. Might start drumming up some real talk about a #6 finally
@DomMcDon
@DomMcDon 3 года назад
Although she is technically not a star, you should have included Sialeeds just because she is available for so much of the game. Also because I love her!!
@killerb255
@killerb255 9 месяцев назад
She'd probably be around the same spot as Sharmista because of her weapon, but she has one advantage over Sharmista (more availability) and one disadvantage (unremovable Rune).
@13anderst
@13anderst 5 месяцев назад
@@killerb255I agree with this
@AudyPutra2
@AudyPutra2 4 месяца назад
​@@killerb255Sharmista is surely intended to replace Sialeeds
@xainudin108
@xainudin108 6 месяцев назад
Great video! I appreciate the effort you put into creating this tier list for Suikoden V. It's impressive that you managed to rate all the characters and provide insights on their usefulness in the game's main battle system. Keep up the good work!
@UndauntedWill
@UndauntedWill 3 года назад
Its hard hearing Zegai is a low mid tier character because he's my favorite character but I also understand. Skill slot wasted because of combat teacher and he usually is the last person to attack and he does miss often. I usually gave him the Godspeed rune so he would hit first and just equip the skill that raised his chance to hit more accurately. Tbh with that stuff equipped he would do very well. Even used him in the final battle and he was MVP
@leonheart41
@leonheart41 3 года назад
I disagree on how low Belcoot is. Once he joined my party he never left but I do agree on how bad the falcon rune is this game. Kinda made him a one trick pony but a very useful one
@suzleber4
@suzleber4 3 года назад
I disagree as well, like he said Richard begins to level off, but Belcoot seems to counter anything and everything once in the higher levels and his abilities are set properly. Not to mention the crits from the falcon rune are crazy and to me seem often.
@Chelaxim
@Chelaxim 4 года назад
The mad lad...I only suggested Suikoden as a joke...
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
We don’t mess around here at Locloudane.
@sagehalo4662
@sagehalo4662 Год назад
Didn't know Ernst had that ability. Looking forward to Suikoden 1 and 3 lists. Also, have you considered separate lists for war units? The beavers are bad in normal combat, but excel in naval war combat, as does the dragon cavalry. Keep them safe and healed. Win. Georg is usable in the final battle on New Game+
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg Год назад
Yeah, I’m not sure if it’s the most useful list but I’ve thought about it.
@tomserizawa9101
@tomserizawa9101 3 года назад
Hazuki is my favorite, always critical and multi hit
@vanderwars8782
@vanderwars8782 2 месяца назад
I just saw this video. Great effort, and thank you for being very informative! I just learned about Ernst because I believe almost any dungeon boss can be one-turn killed with Richard in our party. 😂
@AlexBermann
@AlexBermann 2 года назад
I would have put Belcoot higher on the list. While he does not a ton of damage, he pretty much parries every melee attack and counters which then also is a critical. get a formation where he is alone in the front and he'll defeat every melee fighter before it even is his turn to act. The ability to be the frontline alone without breaking a sweat make him and Richard awesome. Add to that that many of the best damage dealers and wizards are either effective at both ranges or long ranged and the usefulness goes through the roof.
@MrDiceling
@MrDiceling Год назад
This. Use Tiger Formation, put Belcoot in the front and watch all melee enemies punch themselves to death.
@aaronglazer4173
@aaronglazer4173 4 года назад
I LOVE THIS GAME.
@blackchappel6376
@blackchappel6376 4 года назад
This had me laughing out loud a few times 😂😂
@YosuaYs-b6b
@YosuaYs-b6b 11 месяцев назад
Jeane is top tier for the virtue of her rune sage skill. You can adjust runes on the go which enables extreme versatility.
@SeventhheavenDK
@SeventhheavenDK 3 года назад
For me is Josephine well, I like her a lot, lol. And she is always in my party. XD But before watching the video I would say, Zerase, Jeane, Ernst, and Richard.
@shidqitaufiq
@shidqitaufiq Год назад
IMO Galleon doesn't deserve that low. Nick need to leveled to 55 to unlock his potential. His late recruitment is the only problem. The Prince is Uber Hitter, with Royal Paradise and Sacred Oath plus Sun Armor Set.
@muhammadmurdock1191
@muhammadmurdock1191 Год назад
yes i used him also in my party member
@skye.xv88
@skye.xv88 4 года назад
Damn you did it! You absolute madlad! Awesome video btw, now I'll definitely play Suikoden V in the future
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
I just finished it! First suikoden and I’m playing the whole series now.
@Serge_crono
@Serge_crono 3 года назад
New subscriber here. Keep up the good work👍 Georg Prime for me.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
Welcome to the team!
@Serge_crono
@Serge_crono 3 года назад
@@locloudanerpg Thank you 😁
@rizky_dwi_setiadi
@rizky_dwi_setiadi 3 года назад
I remember his glowing sword gets 8k against Sialeeds. Lmao 🤣🤣
@Northwite
@Northwite 2 года назад
If you equip Miakis with 5 Eyeball Rings and a Drain Rune she's immortal. She attacks so much she'll never be low on health and the damage is so ridiculous that that 0.1x damage heal is not as small as you think.
@alvercaine8893
@alvercaine8893 11 месяцев назад
that strat is highly viable with just eyeball rings and double strike\crazed rune. got isabelle doing 2500 dmg per attack and heal more than half
@Mia-dt3gl
@Mia-dt3gl 3 месяца назад
Yeah, Ernst is _definitely_ a must-have for the final boss.
@ivanjoshuacaragdag4423
@ivanjoshuacaragdag4423 2 года назад
My end game party members were Richard/Miakis/Isabel/Mathias/Zerase. With the right set-up, the Sun rune incarnation couldn't even attack.
@AyamesChronicles
@AyamesChronicles 7 месяцев назад
I would actually argue Norma is deserving of a potential god tier spot. 3 rune slots, multi hits and melts like Miakis and potch finder goes hard when you need late game gear.
@suikodenfan7418
@suikodenfan7418 3 месяца назад
Equip Cathari with runes that increase critical damage and her damage is insane.
@yosuapersona9037
@yosuapersona9037 3 года назад
I think this is coming from newcomers ahahaha. Eresh has way higher magic and elemental affinity than Levi. Don't even know how Eresh is considered as lower than Alhazred, Cornelio. Not even the mage knights has magic score nowhere near Eresh. About Cathari, I think you never seen Cathari hits like 3k before lol. About Jeane, her Rune Sage ability should easily takes her to top tier. With it, you can easily adjust your rune setup whenever you want.
@bigtimetimmyjim6486
@bigtimetimmyjim6486 3 года назад
I do agree that Eresh is better than Alhazred and Cornelio, but worse than Viki, Jeane, and probably Zerase too. Levi is basically a coinflip with Eresh depending upon whether or not you value his magic tutor ability in the field.
@marckevin203
@marckevin203 11 месяцев назад
Currently replaying Suikoden V. I'm kinda happy on how you rank the characters. And recognizing great charcter such as Richard, Zerase, Miakis, Kyle, Isabel, Georg. Also, kinda surprissed Ernest was on the top. But somehow disagreed with Belcoot, Hazuki and Zegai not that high. Those guys can dish out some great physical and critical damages.
@TheRewind260587
@TheRewind260587 4 года назад
Great list, thanks for the hard work. The Jeane + Careless Whisper joke had me rolling. What are other games you're considering for your next batch of these? I like Richard too but I think he was placed too high personally. Also Kyle and Miakis always kick major ass. Poor Ghaleon, he looks so badass but winds up only being mediocre. I get a serious human version of Kimahri vibe from him. You have great taste in gals but no Isabel. Lunn is a super likable tomboy for sure.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
JustHitRewind Thanks for the support. I have a pull out on next lists I’m doing. Head over and cast your vote!
@prinnyDooD.
@prinnyDooD. 4 года назад
A new youtuber to watch... cool vid... I guess George would be top or god tier... Btw, suiko2 pls..
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
Thanks Dood. Suikoden 2 is in the pipeline as we speak. Next up is FF8.
@nars4432
@nars4432 4 месяца назад
Who would win 1.George vs viktor ? 2.Kyle vs flik? Those duels would be amazing. Is it true that mcdohl is the strongest main character?
@LoliPeeSlurper
@LoliPeeSlurper Год назад
Yay Lun is the best 😍 I like her femdom interactions with her dad lol For battle I always bring along Viki, chain magic skill is OP and she's my fav girl in the series 😳 P.S. Those Jeanne clips are funny 🤣
@TAOSEELE
@TAOSEELE 3 года назад
I have to disagree on Zegai. I remember that mine was so buffed that he dealt 8-10K damage in the last dungeon. I can't remember what runes and equipment he had but he, George and Nakula are crazy strong. Richard, Belcoot and similar are only second to them. Cathari was insanely strong as well.
@shellren
@shellren 3 года назад
I dont expect the bonus round lol😂i think Jeane no 1, and second is zeraze
@milanistiindo
@milanistiindo 3 года назад
I still don't have idea to use Ernst. I know he has the beast run, but his physical and magical stats are mediocre. I prefer Norma, he is very good healer with excellent poach finder skill. I try to avoid Zerase, such a cheating in an exam...prefer to use Viki with her chain magic skill. Sagiri for god sake...she barely can stop hitting with her critical combo...I don't like Rahal at all, he just a copy of Kyle...and we get him later in the game...Change Richard with Belcoot in the same reason with Zerase...Anyway great video...really appreciate that you remind us again with Suikoden series...V is my second favorite after II
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
Thanks! Could not agree more. The game was a cake walk with richard and zarase. Ernst just breaks the game with his second skill. Look forward to my suikoden 2 list in 2021!!
@kacamac
@kacamac Год назад
Hell yea Lun!
@zachsundberg4561
@zachsundberg4561 Месяц назад
Zerase is absurdly broken using her is like choosing 'story mode' in difficulty menus
@ekcanok2412
@ekcanok2412 4 месяца назад
did not realize there is a suikoden v video great tier list , But i would put hazuki and belcoot 1 tier higher as both of them literally parries almost any incoming physical attack. Hazuki also has insanely high multiple hit combos ( shame eiyuden does not have multiple hit system) I played NG+ and manage bring georg to the final boss , But he is almost useless as he has low mdf and get blown every turn by the magic attacks Miakis best waifu
@killerb255
@killerb255 9 месяцев назад
I'd like to see a tier list for characters in Suikoden 1 (more challenging because there are no busted multi-rune setups) and 3.
@Zakemaster
@Zakemaster 4 года назад
I do not envy you for doing this, but props.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
GrubbsterGaming It took for *^%#%^* ever....
@andreasadi591
@andreasadi591 2 года назад
Georg always the best for melee Zerase for magic OP 😝
@yapk
@yapk 6 месяцев назад
after watching the suikoden character tier lists, I think suikoden V has the best character visual design
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 6 месяцев назад
I completely agree.
@midnight3630
@midnight3630 2 года назад
So happy Miakis is so high! 🤩🤩🤩
@insidenightmare-n5d
@insidenightmare-n5d Год назад
on the contrary , for me , josephine and cornelio are the best early game character , josephine can equip boost rune and power rune , while cornelio can equip power rune , boost rune , and double edge rune / crazed , that makes them hit really hard very early in the game , well ofc i replace them once i have access to kyle..
@pandoraactor4988
@pandoraactor4988 3 года назад
Nice edit video sir
@rukkuhofman8300
@rukkuhofman8300 3 года назад
Nice Video by the way but that, thumbs up 👍👌
@noel_rahman
@noel_rahman Месяц назад
I use Frey, Leon, Lelei, Zerase, Miakis, Bernadette, i have other options, oh yeah I think Lelei and Cathari are hot.
@Trace153
@Trace153 3 года назад
What is the way most people play these game still? I have the game still but not PS that can play it any more 🥺
@jannyegaxherd9376
@jannyegaxherd9376 3 года назад
Can not say much about Ernst, cause is one of chars I never used, but Josephine is fucking good mage, even if she has that shitty red rose rune. She is doing hard damage with rage and thunder, she is even one of the persons to use pale gate. And by the way...nobody likes the beavers 😄
@wisgayaful
@wisgayaful 18 дней назад
Richard with eyeball ring solo every thing
@chrisdavey5530
@chrisdavey5530 3 года назад
Yahr doesnt have 3 open rune slots one is the angry dragon tech....which can be used indefinitely when combined with a fury rune.....side note I remember playing this (S5) after suikoden 3 and thinking "like does everyone in this game have 3 open rune slots"....meanwhile in S3 im grinding Nicolas (from Duke's team) to get 1 slot and he never gets any it turns out....I imagine because combining him with a double strike would be overkill, dude takes 1 damage from everything and thats supposing he doesnt block it with his shield.
@killerb255
@killerb255 9 месяцев назад
Everyone in Suikoden 4, however, can have three Rune slots by farming Magic Rune pieces, as that's the only Suikoden game that ties rune slots to the Magic stat.
@blackstradivari613
@blackstradivari613 5 месяцев назад
I once overleveled Miakis, and the boss fell super easy 😂
@Rhetzelle
@Rhetzelle Год назад
here's my end game party whenever I play this game : Prince, Lyon, George, Belcoot/Miakis, Viki, Zerase
@kingveelatte41
@kingveelatte41 3 года назад
I should send this to my brother because he loves Jeane so much 🤣🤣
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
Maybe I’m your brother….
@kingveelatte41
@kingveelatte41 3 года назад
@@locloudanerpg What a twist 😂
@DiscoFerret22
@DiscoFerret22 11 месяцев назад
Bro i love this intro 😂😂😂
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 11 месяцев назад
Thank you! I’m proud of it
@nautdead3197
@nautdead3197 Год назад
I always call fuwala fuwaffle
@Valheru4
@Valheru4 2 года назад
The two elves Urda & Isato are god tier when you have them both with boost, double-edge & power runes - Use their combo attack (which hits all enemies) - Bamn! battle over. Battles never see 2nd turn unless it's one of the big boss battles then it might last 2 (especially if you have Cathari runed up the same, Zerase in party with magic absorb) - have all equipped with eyeball rings (1 or 2 to rub it in) to drain health on each attack - never have to use a heal spell.
@cc_tw
@cc_tw 3 года назад
You have several mistakes when it comes to free rune slots. Yahr has 2 free and 1 fixed, Nikea only has 1 free and 1 fixed, Georg has 1 free and 1 fixed. I wouldn't call Bergen a mage whatsoever, he has one of the lowest MAG stats in the game, but he is quite strong, high SKL, and high SPD. I hope you cover more Suikoden games!
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
I just posted Sui 2 today!
@rtlstien
@rtlstien Год назад
Out of curiosity, where would you have ranked the non-SoD fighters like Sialeeds and b the DoReMi Elves. Just the Tiers, to make it simple.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg Год назад
Sialeeds is great. The doremi elves can be good early game.
@DL-zq5ie
@DL-zq5ie 12 дней назад
How is Richard not god tier? Put him in formations that have 1 up front and watch him parry everything
@suzleber4
@suzleber4 3 года назад
Thank you about Galleon, I had to explain that to someone, I said he looks cool but he's old and not even a real tank or hard hitting Mid character. I like a lot of characters but I don't find myself using too many bad ones, gotta have 18 solid. Georg, Belcoot, and Miakis are my favorites. Goesch is one I've suggested to people quite a bit, he's a slept on beast, and has a sombrero not common with Suikoden characters. Love the video thanks for this!
@variable57
@variable57 3 года назад
I remember Richard was so freaking broken and was so odd as he looks so bland as a character model.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
Serious though.
@rizky_dwi_setiadi
@rizky_dwi_setiadi 3 года назад
If Richard was on Suikoden 2, he won't get a chance especially during L'Renouille against Lucia, Culgan, Seed and Beast Rune Incarnation. Why? Richard is known as broken parry and most of thoes enemies LOVE to use magic attack which can't be avoided (except with canopy defense and protect mist) will make Richard dies easily.
@chazbriggs
@chazbriggs Год назад
Yo who is erst? I swear I would have remembered a werepanther in the character select 😂
@hadyan5125
@hadyan5125 Год назад
Could you write it all down from number 1 to last? I just started playing
@rizky_dwi_setiadi
@rizky_dwi_setiadi 3 года назад
IMHO, Georg Prime is always the most OP on SV. I've got him attacking every enemy with his glowing sword and that's 8k 💀💀💀 (don't even mention he's always get weapon defense and when he gets attacked, that's just only 10-20 and 200 max if he's attacked by magic)
@rukkuhofman8300
@rukkuhofman8300 3 года назад
Ähm... Josy is not mediocre or weak, her offensive magic is pretty strong, 💪 her magic defense is also strong. If you grade up her magic skillz at Levi she bombs away everything plus she is effective with combination magic
@TheWorstType
@TheWorstType Год назад
I don’t know who is right but I *refuse* to call Zerase anything except "Zuh-RAYS"
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg Год назад
When it comes to pronunciation I’m ALWAYS wrong haha.
@bssL25
@bssL25 4 месяца назад
God, watching this video I am instantly reminded of how much I hate Zweig. He was so useless that I considered him the biggest impediment in the last dungeon. Even his look, and I still remember that annoyingly condescending voice acting. I would have put him in the lowest tier, just cause, but that's just me. I'm surprised Cath is so low, Godspeed Rune puts her in the top 10 for me easily. I...did not know Ernest had that ability, I just assumed he could not daze bosses and never even tried. The rankings are agreeable, Miakis is easily the best Queen's Knight. Something I did not figure out until my third play through. I was never a smart kid. I preferred Isabel, Mathias, Richard, Cath, Lyon- of course Jeanne as a mage if needed. I liked Zerase but I avoided using her because she was also too strong. Alternates to Cath, well, I liked Sagiri a lot. Those multiple throws were satisfying. I also liked Faylen. I do not know why, I guess her design is cool. I liked Belcoot the character, never cared to have him in the party more than necessary. I liked Hazuki, she always seemed to land multiple combos and crits for me. I'm surprised by Lun's ranking. To me, she was okay. I didn't realize she was that viable, I guess I never gave her a chance. I didn't care for her weapon of choice but looking back...she did give quite a few multi hits and her magic was good. Funny enough, the more useless battle characters were quite good in war. Like Josephine, for some strange reason, gave you two fires. The beavers are demons in naval battle. The dragons are monsters in naval battle. This video is old, but I'm happy to have found it. Loved this game. I know its not the top of the top of Suikodens, but I loved it all the same. I just...honestly? Lyon is one of my all time favorite characters. Her character, history, and style got me from the beginning.
@eduardocavalcante516
@eduardocavalcante516 Год назад
Say what you want but Cathari will always be God tier to me, I equip her with Berserk rune and her damage gets beyond insane
@valnovanoth
@valnovanoth 4 месяца назад
I'd just swap Miakis with Richard, the rest looks solid
@polaloy6800
@polaloy6800 2 года назад
i like tier list content so i watch this video so many time hahaha. but i think you should put doremi elves even they aren't star. they cann't compare to high tier but i think they have decent stat enough for team without any investment. when i have 3 split team in final dungeon doremi elves carry my 1 team there.
@htsandw4496
@htsandw4496 3 года назад
I never use Zerase, Richard, Viki or Ernst because they just destroy all challenge in an already easy game. I assume this list did not take skills into account because Jeanne, Lorelai and Roy should be higher. Rune Sage and Treasure Hunt are way too useful (Zweig has TH as well, but he sucks) and Roy is the only character (aside from Prince) who can equip the ultimate skill. Lyon is overrated IMHO, she is stuck with 1 rune slot for a good chunk of the game
@manuelacasagranda5097
@manuelacasagranda5097 2 года назад
I never remove Josephine from my team. 💗💗💗
@echoscreen8983
@echoscreen8983 Год назад
You forger about belcoot? He is OP
@chesster423
@chesster423 Год назад
do you have tier list for suikoden tactics?
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg Год назад
Not yet
@matsujonen
@matsujonen Год назад
The beavers are only bad in combat but broken in the war games
@vincere_valens
@vincere_valens 2 года назад
I was 30 character at the level 99 and nakula and gavaya was the 2 best strong characters in my party for one monster damages.. I am not agree with Zegai after all..
@Keychan64
@Keychan64 Год назад
Where is suikoden 3?
@jrsylvester2204
@jrsylvester2204 3 года назад
Great game. Sad it had to end
@alvindradwikihimawan6412
@alvindradwikihimawan6412 Год назад
Belcoot is a wannabe witcher, and Richard is literally a witcher.
@Lost_Avenger89
@Lost_Avenger89 3 года назад
You forgot Sialeeds and the elves. The elves are shit tier, Sialeeds is probably in that same range since you can't change her one rune.
@timscott5170
@timscott5170 3 года назад
He probably left them out since none ot them count as stars. My take: elves low tier IF you work on them. Sialeeds I would put mid tier borderline between upper and middle.
@keitwo834
@keitwo834 2 года назад
Jeane is top tier.
@true-omegaid8467
@true-omegaid8467 2 года назад
Ernst is not that powerful.
@snakeplissken7671
@snakeplissken7671 Год назад
You have Zegai way too low.
@AudyPutra2
@AudyPutra2 4 месяца назад
I will just put all Queen Knights anyway
@randowazeng
@randowazeng 3 года назад
Oh miakis bring back memories. You can see georg prime God tier ini my channel
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 3 года назад
Nice!
@Kornelisu
@Kornelisu 6 месяцев назад
The Beavers are so underrated, for me some beavers are quite strong like Miroon and Meroon who have 3 slots. I always have Meroon on my team, and she's amazing! She often does 2-3 attacks and often criticals. She is kinda puny and dies easily, but often the enemy dies first.
@LadyB_20
@LadyB_20 4 года назад
Thanks for the shoutout. I kinda expected Josephine to be low. I still love her though 😁 great list. I wanna replay this game so bad right now.
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 4 года назад
Brentt Bumatay welcome thanks for commenting on my post!
@jannyegaxherd9376
@jannyegaxherd9376 3 года назад
Actually played it two times, and Josephine is a really strong attack-mage. Even if I didn't like her much when that game was released. Play it and you will see.
@pandoraactor4988
@pandoraactor4988 2 года назад
Best char suikoden 3 please
@locloudanerpg
@locloudanerpg 2 года назад
Will do!
@Yessir470
@Yessir470 2 года назад
@@locloudanerpg yes!!
@Yessir470
@Yessir470 2 года назад
Please make more suikoden content
@garryprang
@garryprang 3 года назад
broken beyond belief 😂
@darklurker1402
@darklurker1402 Год назад
Man, Logg and Goesh are far my favorite characters. I just buff then w/ double-edged sowrd + crazy rune and just auto battles I love see the critcals and 1hit battles I just use heals runes to support All but the prince have crazy runes Its a funny way i like to play And i even said the skills combos.
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