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I have so so many theories about Sophie's biological father! After Shannon Messenger's book 8.5 Unlocked, I have so many thoughts and questions: who is sophie's biological father? Could it be someone like Grady, who has been a literal father figure for Sophie? Could it be Elwin, who has never had a romantic partner for the duration of Sophie's time in the Lost Cities? Specifically in this video, I am going to be talking about 5 characters that may be related to Sophie's ancestry. I hope you enjoy this kotlc theories video!!
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@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
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@Lotr77
@Lotr77 2 года назад
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@TheMuslimahsTake
@TheMuslimahsTake 2 года назад
I know that Kenric was shut down, but if he was her father, I would be so sad but so happy at the same time, since Sophie would be Oralie and Kenric's daughter.
@sweettreatvloggies4769
@sweettreatvloggies4769 Год назад
Mr forkle said that the parents did not know or interact with each other. I'm not trying to shut down your idea, but I think there are other theories that make more sense
@ItzCookiePopz
@ItzCookiePopz 5 месяцев назад
@@sweettreatvloggies4769 I agree with you
@testing-the-fates334
@testing-the-fates334 2 года назад
*Coughs in theorist* No, but this has been one of the things that my mind has been stuck on since the end of Unlocked. I personally agree with the Gethen theory the most, not only because of what you said above, but also for the reason that in her notebook, Sophie mentioned that he was the Keeper of the Neverseen. Now, the name of the book series is Keeper of the Lost Cities, but we've only had a real focus on that idea in Keeper (In Quinlin's office, I believe) But, this could totally be Shannon's way of a. Reintroducing that title back into the series, and b. Reinforcing that good vs. evil parallel between the Neverseen and Black Swan. After Unlocked, Shannon has set the whole rest of this series on the tip of an iceberg, and I'm so excited to see which way it falls.
@pinkdoor2450
@pinkdoor2450 2 года назад
At 3:52 where you mentioned that Grady could have been tricked into being Sophie's dad I think that would be really interesting to see! I really want to see something where Sophie figures it out before whoever the dad is does because that would be a super crazy plot twist I genuinely hope that the dad doesn't know
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Ooooo 👀 THE RACE FOR INFORMATION!! Ahh it’s so exciting 🥺
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
But Mr forkle said they know that they are there parents
@pinkdoor2450
@pinkdoor2450 2 года назад
@@abbystephenson58 oh yeah lol I forgot about that
@gamerpie15
@gamerpie15 2 года назад
@@abbystephenson58 This is a stretch but maybe Mr. Forkle thought Grady knew but there was a misunderstanding, or Grady could have lost some memories. That could make the theory work.
@gabriella3307
@gabriella3307 2 года назад
I think Elwin is her father, possibly Grady 1. When Sophie was complaining about the Black Swan refusing to tell her who her parents were two elves in particular were really angry about it, Oralie and Elwin 2. Elwin cares about everyone (of course) but he seems to have a special place for Sophie. He hung pictures of her in the healing center, and created a list for Edaline of ways that Sophie may injure herself and how to treat it at home But maybe Grady is her dad. I mean there has been a point since book 1 of showing that Sophie and Jolie look nearly identical. But I just don’t see how Brant could have been her dad. That just doesn’t really work out I think.
@woudinehmerin8401
@woudinehmerin8401 2 года назад
Elwin is not her father because in legacy when Sophie admits that she is searching for her biological parents he is nt the least bit worried or nerveaus
@gabriella3307
@gabriella3307 2 года назад
@@woudinehmerin8401 Maybe he wants her t0 find out. Am I remembering correctly that her parents couldn't tell her who they were? If that's true (it's been a while since I've reads some of the books lol) maybe he wants her to find out so that there are no more secrets?
@roxi392
@roxi392 2 года назад
@@woudinehmerin8401 True, but maybe he was just covering up his tracks. Also, he is probably dying to figure out who the other parent is!
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
⁠@@gabriella3307I agree with your theory, Elwin was a physician already at Foxfire, but did he know that Sophie could be his biological daughter? Did Forkle tell him before Sophie came to live in the Lost Cities? Also, he and Oralie have no connection…right? And that’s also why I think Gethen or Brant could be a possible theory.
@miriamjesse1628
@miriamjesse1628 2 года назад
I feel like Sophie's father might not be a human, because with all the DNA stuff, all the medicine designed for elvin bodies, and all the stuff Elwin said about her cells having damage from the toxins in the human world in the first book (and the fact that she even has Elvin abilities) whatnot I think she might have to be 100% elf. But on the other hand she is supposed to be a bridge between the elves and humans, so...
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Exactly! I thought of this too but it’s always too hard for me too make sense of it 😂
@LaughingTubeCS
@LaughingTubeCS Год назад
Forkle said that she was 100 percent elf right
@kayladia9828
@kayladia9828 Год назад
No she said she also has California dna
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
That is such a good theory! I thought about it, maybe it is, even tho Forkle told her she was 100% elf…
@beamed15
@beamed15 2 года назад
I personally am hoping Sophies dad is a new character!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
NO ❤️
@ellatao5362
@ellatao5362 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase i hope its someone who seemed completely unimportant like jurek or something
@INFP-INTP_2408
@INFP-INTP_2408 Год назад
No !! If Sophie’s father is a New character, ours theory are impossible only because We don’t know her dad 😭😭😭
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
I feel Gethen might be her father, Here’s why: Oralie was her biological mother, and she decided to stay on the council to protect Sophie. Yet I think her biological father could have been in a completely different situation, and he looks the same, as you guys said. But wouldn’t he have to act all “I’m part of the Neverseen, I’m your enemy” to hide that he’s her father? And it would be totally unexpected. Gethen and Oralie don’t have any connection or something right? Idk it’s just a theory
@taylor08986
@taylor08986 2 года назад
Also ok so THEORY TIME!! Everyone that is Sophie’s friend is there for a reason. Keefe - Parents, Fitz and Biana - alvar, Dex - mom (Black swan), Marella _ her mom and possibly her had, Maruca - Perentice & Wylie, Stina - her dad, That leaves Jensi and tam and Linh. For jensi I think his older brother is blur and for tam and Linh their mom is glimmer and that is what finishes the theory of all of Sophie’s friends connected into it not just “Recruited” as gisela puts it
@gabriella3307
@gabriella3307 2 года назад
That is such a cool theory. I would love to see that in the books
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
That is a good theory. I think blur is her biological father. Cause she recognizes him on the boat? SHE KNOWS HIM!!
@yiyingzhu2950
@yiyingzhu2950 2 года назад
when you said that you didnt know who brant is related to (well most of us dont ) but i have a theory. It could be Kenric. look at their middle names and look at kotlc siblings.heres an example Tam Dai Song Linh Hai Song but kenric and brant have very similar middle names. (Elgar and Alger) i hope this makes sense!
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
*gasp* YOU'RE RIGHT!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
maybe! that would be very interesting ... although Kenric is like hundreds of years older I think....because Brant was Jolie's age and she was still at Foxfire when she died
@yiyingzhu2950
@yiyingzhu2950 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase yeah though I feel like it would be hinting at something BC it feels a little sus
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky 2 года назад
Maybe they’re half siblings
@yiyingzhu2950
@yiyingzhu2950 2 года назад
@@Ahuva.Chaitovsky does that exist in KOTLC?
@yyips
@yyips 2 года назад
I think the strongest theory in this video was the one about Mr. Forkle, it makes complete sense. Gethen and Elwin are also pretty strong ones too.
@evebyul
@evebyul 2 года назад
I have a crazy theory. Powers are genetics, sometimes, right? So what if the first elves ever only had basic powers (Hydrokinetic Pyrokinetic, Charger, Telepath, Empath,..) and then the powers kinda mix (like what happened with Keefe) to create a new, official power ? Like Empath + Charger = Inflictor? When Sophie inflicts, she creates red lights so a Charger or a Flasher could be her father. And Empath because it's the only other Talent connected to feelings. What do you think?
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
LEGACY SPOILERS... *information about sophies biological mother So we do know that one of Sophies parents is an empath so you are right about that! I do think maybe one of her parents has a different ability than her...
@roxi392
@roxi392 2 года назад
Flasher? I hope her bio father is elwin!
@charlottezagari3680
@charlottezagari3680 10 месяцев назад
Reinforcing my Elwin theory
@gulongang
@gulongang 2 года назад
Idk why but I would want Elwin, Gethen, or Fintan to be her dad. Idk why but Fintan just seems like Sophie’s dad because I’m pretty sure he has blond hair but a lot of elves have blonde hair. I’m just staying I’m keeping those three on my mind 😃
@itsalex999
@itsalex999 2 года назад
Gethen has blond hair I think fintan might have black hair?
@lynn1243
@lynn1243 5 месяцев назад
If Fintan would be her dad, Oralie would have a child with the murderer of her soulmate…
@kimsueun115
@kimsueun115 2 года назад
TIME TO THEORIZE!!!! BEWARE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!! READ AT UR OWN RISK!!!!!! REASONS WHY I THINK 'GETHEN' MIGHT BE SOPHIES'S BIOLOGICAL FATHER. REASON NO.1: INHERITANCE First of all Gethen is a powerful telepath, the fact that he literally made a giant castle collapse justifies this. And let's not forget, we can agree that the physical similarities between him and Sophie are prominent. I know that the elves don't exactly inherit their parents abilities but it does happen and usually most of the time. For example; the Vackers Fitz, Biana and Alvar each take after at least on of their parents, right? Biana and Alvar all inherit their current abilities from their mother. Whereas Fitz inherits telepathy from his dad. Which at least explains a little, Sophie could have inherited her strong ability in the arts of telepathy from Gethen because he was emphasized to be the most powerful telepath among the Neverseen ever. Let's take into account the huge priority the Double Forkles reveled on, making sure that the Moonlark is as powerful as she can be so she could heal Minds and do all kinds of crazy things. Note: Sophie has 5 abilities and she was actually expected to have only 3. enhancing teleporting and having gold-flecked brown eyes were a side effect of the fact the forkles tweaked her genes based on Alicorn DNA. So, if the forkles were so focused on making her the strongest telepath why not pick the strongest telepath then? REASON NO.2: THE HINTS Shannon is oh-so good at pointing hints into her story. She had now already hinted at us the possibility of Sophie's father being someone she had met...maybe not in good circumstances (like the fact that Gethen is a murderer who works for the Neverseen? Yup), completely contradicting what happened between Sophie and her mother, since Book 1 her mother, was a supporting figure for her, it was until Book 8 that Sophie discovered that the kind woman she looked up to was her mother (which of course she finds disgraceful in her own sense since she already did assume her biological parents abandoned her for their own selfish reasons...which isn't true ofcourse...just Sophie trying to make sense of the world😏) To keep this theory living, let's assume Sophie's parents are those she had already met. Let me add, Shannon had been emphasizing so much in Book 7 Flashback how much Sophie hates fighting, she was very reluctant to hurt someone or even think about it! How much she 'loathed' it when Grizel literally called her a natural when Sophie was making good progress in combat training with Sandor (that moment killed me!). I mean come on, it's pretty obvious, you know? Sophie thought herself to be a natural killer (adding spice to what Grizel was actually telling her). Knowing Shannon, why in the lost cities would she put something like that into the story and ignore it? Well...we might not know yet but we still have to try theorizing. We gotta compete in this and see who found the correct answer when the secret finally reveals itself! Ugh!!! What was Shannon trying to hint at???? Now we that we do know she was trying to hint at something, since Gethen is part of this scenario he could be Sophie's Dad. Shannon had also 'inflicted'(😲😂) a tremendous fear into Sophie throughout Flashback along with the fear of having an evil parent. Usually when authors write about their character's fears and emphasize it briefly, it becomes a plothole for them to use for the progression of the story, turning into reality to keep the character in check and create a plot twist. Again with the evidence from Flashback I qoute; 'Sophie saw the determination and *concern* in his eyes' when Gethen and his buddies from the Neverseen attacked her and Fitz (although he hadn't made any attempts to stop the attacks he gave her several chances to save herself and her friends) While you're reading this, I know you guys might be thinking... So if Gethen's really Sophie's dad why would he assist the Black Swan in their project since he's a bad guy? Well, here's my answer for ya, people aren't born evil, it sounded like the guy could have joined the Neverseen immediately after and had been with them for over 13years or so. Maybe the Neverseen wasn't even there before (the sole purpose of the Neverseen, as seen by Gisela, was to use the leader's own kid in an attempt at an experiment with a motive similar to the Black Swan but with gruesome methods too, both motives were to change the world for the good....In Gisela's case, she just wants to rule the world obviously🙄😒) in a matter a fact tho, either way he could have easily given up on his family since joining the Neverseen meant having to make huge sacrifices on others to make the world a better place assumes Gisela since her stupidity has gotten the better of her (tho she's still a likeable character😏) SUMMARY Gethen➡️blonde hair and ice blue eyes, a telepath, plus; Sophie's mother➡️blonde hair too and blue eyes, an empath & conjurer, plus; Double Forkles➡️working their magic by tweaking Sophie's genes, equals;↙️ Sophie➡️blonde hair, brown eyes, a telepath, inflictor, polyglot, teleporter & enchancer. Can you now see the obvious here? THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEARING WITH ME HERE. I WAS DYING TO LET THIS OUT MY SYSTEM FOR MONTHS NOW. THANKS AGAIN!!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Enjoyed reading your comment, thanks for providing your case on why Gethen is Sophie’s biological father! I do like your point on Sophie being powerful because Gethen passed down his powerful abilities to Sophie! I personally want Elwin to be Sophie’s biological father, but you’ll definitely have a convincing argument! Thanks for the comment have a good day :)
@apassingcoli
@apassingcoli 2 года назад
GETHEN!!!
@sheeptopiaart1888
@sheeptopiaart1888 2 года назад
at the beginning of legacy i got so worried gisela was sophie’s mom because of her polyglot ability, photographic memory, and her blonde hair but i was so relieved to know it wasn’t her
@taliareads4760
@taliareads4760 2 года назад
Honestly all of your theories are great! I would love for Elwin to be Sophie's biological father because he's just so sweet and has always been there for Sophie ever since she came the the lost cities and he's just one of the best characters. Gethen is also a good one! As always your videos are amazing so please keep posting as much as you can and I would love to hear any theories you have! You song is just perfection and I really enjoy listening to it troy 🖾🖾💙🌊
@SofiesPalace
@SofiesPalace 11 месяцев назад
For the wright family, maybe Ethan can be her uncle, he could be half elf, half human and his half brother is full elf and that’s Sophie’s father Pretty sure it’s not Grady, if a girl who looks a lot like him with unknown biological parents who gave their DNA comes to live with him and later searches for said parents, pretty sure that’s a detail he would mention Brant and Gethen probably won’t help the Black Swan Elwen maybe but I don’t think so My guess is either the deceased Mr. Forkle, Kenric or someone from the Wright family
@ColbieDaCorgiRoblox
@ColbieDaCorgiRoblox 2 года назад
I realized Sophie’s father would be most likely to be someone with blond hair as it is a ressesive gene so her father most likely have blonde hair unless her father has brown or black hair with a blonde gene which we will never know so it will most likely be someone with blonde hair
@afterreading-
@afterreading- 2 года назад
What if the guy in England (Ethan) that Keefe delivered a letter to...really was her dad? That would be interesting...
@roxi392
@roxi392 2 года назад
i actually cried when one of the Forkle's died, so I rlly hope he isn't Sophie's biological father. I'm hoping it's Elwin, he has always cared for Sophie. In Unlocked, on page 54, at the bottom it said something like "it seemed like Fitz and Sophie were a thing. Huh. MY little girl is growing up" Could that mean he is her bio father?
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
Hmm. That theory is actually very possible. *my* moonlark? That theory is really good tho it would be so sad if he was her biological father. I cried too 😅
@FrozenJedi38
@FrozenJedi38 2 года назад
I haven't watched the video yet, but I think it's either Gethen or a whole new character.
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
I talked about Gethen don’t you worry 👀
@FrozenJedi38
@FrozenJedi38 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase 👀
@fidgetworld8406
@fidgetworld8406 2 года назад
I love this channel so much!!!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
WE LOVE YOU!!! ❤️❤️
@oliviavv3706
@oliviavv3706 2 года назад
So there are only two people who I really hope is Sophie's dad, both of which was mentioned in this videos. The other Mr Forkle and Tiergan and my theories for this is some what the same. So of course there's Mr Forkle who is basically said to be her creator and Sophie and him share such a strong bond and when I read about one mr Forkle dying and saying "my moonlark" I immediately put him on my list of possibles. Tiergan is more of a hoping guess and I thought about it since Tiergan took Sophie to Hollywood, LA during one of their telepathy sessions. I noticed that he asked her why she thinks that her parents don't care about her and she responds that they must not care if they let the black swan experiment on their kid and now wants nothing to do with her since she got to the lost cities and Tiergan is described as looking sad and heartbroken when she says that (btw I don't know exactly what they say but this is what I got from it) sooooo ..... Yeah
@jaki645
@jaki645 2 года назад
I love this channel! Thanks guys! ✨❤️
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
You’re welcome!! We love making these types of videos. Have a great day! ❤️
@SofiesPalace
@SofiesPalace 11 месяцев назад
For Brant’s last name I think he might be related to either Kenric (similar last names) or since abilities are often genetic and we don’t know much about Marella’s mom or even her dad…….what if Brant is related to Marella
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
How wonderful it is to be this early! I think its either Elwin or Tiergan.
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
Or Ethan Wright or Gethen!
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
or one of the formless
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
forkles
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
BASICALLY IDK LOL
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
I really hope it’s Elwin!! Fingers crossed! 🤞🤞
@andythewyvern
@andythewyvern 2 года назад
personally Gethen is my fav theory I wrote a short story that is kinda what is said in the video
@heatherbird6145
@heatherbird6145 2 года назад
I totally agree with the mr. forkle one its so sad what if it was the dead one? It just makes so much sense but I also kind of want it to be Elwin...also I listened to legacy! So awesome that that's your song!
@Slugz7
@Slugz7 16 дней назад
I think Elwin is Sophie’s Father for many reasons like: (yes I’m ranting) is Elvin Sophie’s dad? I mean he definitely cares about Sophie so much and helped save her life a million times if not more haha but also Sophie has said that Elvin is kinda like a father figure to her and I know he doesn’t look that much like Sophie but she must have just gotten her looks from Oralie. And honestly it kinda makes sense in book 2 when light had such a huge effect on Sophie if her dad was a flasher! Which Elvin is… and if you read unlock book 8.5 and read Elvin’s medical records and you can see him up and basically trash talking the council on their decisions IN THEIR RECORDS!!! COMMITTED TREASON TO DEFEND SOPHIE!!! and also he has made it clear that he ships SOKEEFE so.. I rly hope it’s him tbh! ALSO!!! Like Oralie and Sophie both sharing the eyelash picking habit Sophie and Elvin both share the habit of sleeping with stuffed animals.. see where I’m going? Shannon messenger has been hinting at this since well forever! The only thing that bothers me that might tell me I’m wrong is how he looks and how he didn’t know much about the black swan before anyone spilled the beans about it.
@emwhoppah
@emwhoppah Год назад
Question... Could Brant's last name possibly be Elysian? At the end of book nine, It said, "I am Elysian," or whatever. So couldn't that be a last name? And also why Gisela knew about Elysian?
@sarahmckenzie9188
@sarahmckenzie9188 10 месяцев назад
My brain! I was sad about kenrics death, even though we barely knew him, and I was thinking Sophie's father was gonna be Bronte, but I'm only around the start of book 8, and had spoiled the reveal of Sophie's mother a while ago, but the Gethen theory seems likely-
@user-lg6vx3xw9b
@user-lg6vx3xw9b 2 года назад
amazing!!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
THANK YOU ❤️❤️
@angieevelie9444
@angieevelie9444 2 года назад
I’m sorry but I think it’s Lord Cassius… my friends thinks the same. Idk why (so don’t ask me), but like as much as I ship Sokeefe, it would be like a great twist in the story
@goldgrasshoppernein9451
@goldgrasshoppernein9451 2 года назад
same i had that revelation while rereading lodestar and if this happens in stellarlune my friends will kill me
@rhondamiller7644
@rhondamiller7644 2 года назад
I really hope it’s Elwin
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
ME TOO!! Please Shannon 🥺🥺❤️
@mintykitty360
@mintykitty360 2 года назад
Same! I just really hope she doesn't blow up at him like she did Oralie
@rhondamiller7644
@rhondamiller7644 2 года назад
@@mintykitty360 I think she be even more hurt tho
@mintykitty360
@mintykitty360 2 года назад
@@rhondamiller7644 Yeah, I agree. I just hope though...
@roxi392
@roxi392 2 года назад
Same!
@Liam19768
@Liam19768 2 года назад
I actually loved your song so much, keep up the great work and love yourself
@TheFoodCat
@TheFoodCat 9 месяцев назад
One: Has Counselor Emery been ruled out as the father? Two: If Bronte was an OG with Fallon, who was the 3rd OG? Could that be her father? Three: What about Quilian? maybe they used his DNA thanks to his wife?
@hannahm782
@hannahm782 4 месяца назад
was fintan the 3rd OG? i know he was on the council at one point
@valeriapadilla8931
@valeriapadilla8931 2 года назад
I JUST realized that Troy has Keefe eyes, all hail king Keefe!!! HE BETTER COME BACK IN BOOK 9!!!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
THATS THE BEST COMPLIMENT HAHA! ALSO YES HE MUST
@Kirito-qc7kb
@Kirito-qc7kb 2 года назад
Here are my top three picks Elwin (Cause he would be such a good dad. Also in his medical writings for Sophie he has some suggestive lines. That could just be bc he's that kind of guy, but...) Gethen (Not related to him being Sophie's father, but he could be a good guy, just say'n. I'd be cool to have an antihero in KotLC who's inside the Neverseen) Fintan (Idk why...it just keeps coming up in my head so I feel like I should put it down. There's no real reason why) Brant could be related to Marella and that's why her parents didn't freak out when she came out as one....
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
I was actually thinking about Fintan as well!!! ahhh that would be crazy 😳
@jbk.k
@jbk.k 2 года назад
it’s not elwin. I used to think that but i reread a book where she is yelling at mr forkle to tell her her parents. Elwin was fighting right along with her. She told Elwin she would prob hate who her biological parents are sooooo
@Kirito-qc7kb
@Kirito-qc7kb 2 года назад
@@jbk.k Eh, maybe, but I honestly believe that she wouldn't hate him as much as Oralie, because he, unlike Oralie, has been there for her when she's needed it the most and fought, in a way, alongside her, where Oralie, who had the power to do something, didn't do barely anything even when she could. She didn't even try. My conclusion is, there might be some tension between Elwin and Sophie for a little bit, but I think she would forgive him much more quickly, bc, as I said before, he is almost always there for her when she needs it the most. Also, it's kinda (very) a loose theory, but Elwin might not even know Sophie is his daughter (if she is). He seems like the kind of person to give away his DNA for science and the Black Swan could have lied to him about why they needed it, bc let's be honest, Elwin also seems like the kind of guy who could not keep quiet about something like Sophie being his daughter. IDK. Idw to start an argument, so please don't take offense 😄
@jbk.k
@jbk.k 2 года назад
@@Kirito-qc7kb you are soo right!! also i wasn’t trying to start an argument i was just saying lol. You may be correct, but i guess we won’t know until later 👀
@Kirito-qc7kb
@Kirito-qc7kb 2 года назад
@@jbk.k Very, very true. Who's your top pick for Sophie's father?
@hannahm782
@hannahm782 4 месяца назад
here are my theories/ hopes- 1. mr forkle said at one point that sophie’s bio dad is an elf, so i don’t believe it can be the human from london. plus i don’t think that would add much to the story. 2. it also can’t be gethen, because in book 1, when gethen tried to kidnap sophie from her human family’s house, didn’t mr forkle later say he did not recognize him? yes, he could have lied, but in this case i believe him. 3. my theory before i starting looking up others’ theories was that it could be wraith, as we still have no clue who this is, but it would be significant. it’s not blur, i’ve seen theories that i think are correct that blur is jensen’s brother. 4. i saw reddit theories supporting it to be fintan, as he hid his involvement with the neverseen. the significance would be huge. 5. it would also be cool if it was tiergan
@D4yDr3am5
@D4yDr3am5 2 года назад
The Mr forkle theory was literally my theory
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Wait did you like actually write that?? 👀👀 that’s so weird if so like what a small world lol
@D4yDr3am5
@D4yDr3am5 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase no I didn't write that but I've been thinking of that theory for months
@emmagoing7053
@emmagoing7053 2 года назад
@@D4yDr3am5 same! That is what I think too, and i was glad too see it in there. Once I thought about the, "Surprise ! There is two of us" this is what I have thought. Also, the forkless definitely look for loopholes to dive through all the time, so i would not be surprised if the other one was her father
@emmagoing7053
@emmagoing7053 2 года назад
Also, they kinda hinted that her father WOULD be a telepath because it mentioned how forkle said that it was interesting that her enhancing was so much stronger on telepaths and empaths, and her mom ended up an empath. Besides, who's brain better to base an impenetrable mind off of, than an already impenetrable mind?
@emmagoing7053
@emmagoing7053 2 года назад
That's what I think at least
@phoebeschaefer3415
@phoebeschaefer3415 2 года назад
*Theory Time With Phoebe 😂* (Bear with me while I rant lol) Sophie's dad is 1000000% GETHEN. Think about it. He's blonde, he's a telepath, and he was the jogger in the beginning of the book. Plus, at the end of lodestar, he tried to kill Oralie with the sword in the stone, so that also adds to it. Plus I feel like Shannon is going to try and make her dad bad, because two good parents just wouldn't make for a very good story honestly 😆 Adding to an earlier video you guys had about alden being evil (which I am confident that he is): Alden's middle name is dedrick, right? That could also mean... Oh I don't want to say it bc it's so awful but I will... Dedrick = *Dead Kenric* 😭 Wowowowow this is the longest comment I ever left in my life lololol 😂 hope u guys made it to the end hahahaha 😆 love y'all! 💜
@ilovetaylorswift27
@ilovetaylorswift27 2 года назад
SPOILER ALERT PLEASE LEAVE IF YOU HAVEN`T READ PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE SERIES THANK-YOU Since Oralie is Sophie`s mother (that was the spoiler) and she is blonde wouldn`t the Black Swan not want to choose two blonde parents that would be too obvious. And since they edited her DNA would any of her parents really be a telepath? I don`t know maybe I am completely off track?
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
I agree with you. WHAT IF GETHEN IS SECRETLY BLUR!! AS A DIFFERENT PERSON!!!! 😱
@H_dude_gamer
@H_dude_gamer 2 года назад
I am basically 100% that it is Elwin because he cares for her so much and i dont think that he would work so hard on keeping her alive of there wasnt something deeper.
@Lotr77
@Lotr77 2 года назад
Love you all! Best Fanbase ever! Everyone is soo kind and peaceful! ☺☺☺
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Love you too!! this fandom is so awesome!!
@itsalex999
@itsalex999 2 года назад
Now this theory is a long shot but I think Quan Song(tam’s dad) sounds kinda like swan song so he could be part of the blacks swan and potentially Sophie’s dad?😱
@ciara7056
@ciara7056 2 года назад
the more i think about it the more grady makes sense, tbh-
@gamingb1226
@gamingb1226 2 года назад
Hi, I have a theory about it! What If Sophie's biological father is Councilor Bronte? I mean, he is the only inflictor listed and after book 2 (Exile) he REALLY love Sophie and trying very hard that she will love him and we can see how it is important to him. It’s just a theory but I think it would make sense
@pineapple._.
@pineapple._. 2 года назад
No. It was stated in the book 8 (?) after Bianca confronted Bronte : why would the black Swan make it so obvious?
@gamingb1226
@gamingb1226 2 года назад
@@pineapple._. I didn’t understand but umm ok
@pineapple._.
@pineapple._. 2 года назад
Sorry if I came off as aggressive. English isn’t my first language. Could you clarify your last statement ?
@gamingb1226
@gamingb1226 2 года назад
@@pineapple._. Councillor Bronte is Sophie Foster’s father
@pineapple._.
@pineapple._. 2 года назад
@@gamingb1226 let me rephrase this. Brontë is the only known inflictor, and the black swan wouldn’t make it so easy.
@sophie_louize
@sophie_louize 2 года назад
for whatever reason, i highly doubt elwin is sophie’s biological father but i don’t know 🤷‍♀️ very late, but the video was good!!
@NogaSvetlitSella-tr8jx
@NogaSvetlitSella-tr8jx Месяц назад
My theory about Grady is that he was asked to be part of project moonlark but he said no but I think he was asked this in the scroll Sophie saw in book 1 because that would make more sense but idk
@bookworm_vortex
@bookworm_vortex 2 года назад
Who dare dislike this video.😑
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Haters 🥰
@bookworm_vortex
@bookworm_vortex 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase HAHA YES.🤣 Also I do support the Elwin-is-Sophie's-father theory because the Black Swan has mentioned medical connections (not including the Healing Center being like Sophie's second house😂) and also the deceased Forkle theory (which I totally threw my stuff across the room for btw don't worry I'm not like Fitz) but they kind of make sense. Not too sure on the Tiergan or human father theory if we look back on elvin history, either, or the someone-we-don't-know theory bc, like you said, Shannon's trope of it being someone we know.
@jamismith1028
@jamismith1028 2 года назад
Mr Forkle because he didn't want us guessing
@ilovetaylorswift27
@ilovetaylorswift27 2 года назад
It would be awesome if Shannon Messenger actually watched the KotLC Fanbase channel. She could like consider the points that they mention here and get ideas for book 9 and 10.
@happymittens92
@happymittens92 2 года назад
She's not allowed to. Authors aren't allowed to read fan fictions or read fan theories because if they were ever to use fans ideas in their books it would technically be considered plagiarism.
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
YAAS
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
Dang it lol
@potatoeswsourcream
@potatoeswsourcream 2 года назад
I havent watched the video yet... But did anyone else immediatly think that kenric was her father???
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Mr. Forkle told Sophie that Kenric is NOT her father, so I doubt it! But maybe he is lying..... 😄❤️
@SarahSainaba
@SarahSainaba 9 месяцев назад
Elwin and Grady can’t be her dad since Mr. Forkle said that they went into incredible measures to make sure that their biological parents never met and they would have to know that Sophie would get into trouble which would make the Council meet with Elwin and then they would NEVER let Grady adopt her if he was her dad since Oralie would OBVIOUSLY meet him. Oh and even Jolie was ruled out and I’m pretty sure that someone said, “The Black Swan would never have someone like that so close to home.” Which mens that it can’t be Grady. HOWEVER! Gethen actually makes a lot of sense! Oralie and Gethen might meet but it takes one look at their jobs and you can easily see why the Black Swan would chose him. COUNCILOR and NEVERSEEN MEMBER. Damn though. If that was real and Shannon does the, “Your… my dad?” I would throw the book at the wall and scream, “WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!” Although I’m pretty sure that because this theory exists Shannon isn’t going to make it a reality because she NEEDS to surprise us
@bhmroza
@bhmroza 2 года назад
I hope it's Elwin!!!!!!
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Me too, Beila! Thanks for watching 😊❤️
@dahliaissigma
@dahliaissigma 2 года назад
I am a little late, but that's okay. Now, time to stan arctic waters. This song is just so good, beautifully written, the music video is just *chefs kiss* and the vocals are just so great. I feel like if you were going to release a more lively song, it would be a BOP!! Anyway, time for the theories. The theories seem very thought out, and I totally agree!
@hinkles73
@hinkles73 Год назад
He said stuff about single elves and normalizing that, but Shannon never mentions blind/deaf/"disabled" elves or adds them as characters. I am not making accusations at all-authors decide the characters to add to books.
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase Год назад
Im pretty sure Shannons answer to that would be that elves have the technology to help with disabilities
@ilovedinosaurs35
@ilovedinosaurs35 Год назад
I am very surprised that the neverseen were mentioned as a plausible option. Like they hate the Black Swan, so why would they help them? Makes no sense. Also if you are going to comment I haven’t read Stellarlune so don’t spoil it. A friend is lending me their copy soon, but I hate spoilers sooooo
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky 2 года назад
Brant is related to marella. That’s the going theory
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Interesting! They are related through pyrokinesis but I’m not sure how that would be relevant yet... 🤔
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky
@Ahuva.Chaitovsky 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase well we’ve seen that some abilities are genetic
@chanmeesong2221
@chanmeesong2221 11 дней назад
I know this is a spoiler but Sophie’s biological mother is Oralie🎉🎉🎉
@mansocarvalhofamily3942
@mansocarvalhofamily3942 2 года назад
So this theory might sound super strange but hear me out. Sophie finds out that Councillor Oralie is her biological mother during a meeting between her and Sophie to help Sophie better understand/control her enhancing towards the end of Legacy (book 8) after Sophie's 2nd ability reset since her inflicting and enhancing were not working the way that Mr. Forkle had designed it. I searched it up to get some ideas about who Sophie's dad could be and it said, Elwin. Still, then I thought "this doesn't make any sense" since Elwin is a Flasher. Flasher isn't any of the abilities that the Black Swan gave Sophie when they genetically modified her genes. However, it could/would be an ability that Sophie might manifest later even if the books say that she will only display 5 abilities, so there could be more abilities that Sophie discovers. Maybe one of them would be Flasher. :)
@justanothermarvelgirl
@justanothermarvelgirl 5 месяцев назад
its been like 3 years lol but identical twins have the same dna so technically she’s related to both forkles if thats true
@lemonesser394
@lemonesser394 2 года назад
I personally do not think that Sophie's dad is Brant because im pretty sure he died when he was in his 30's and Sophie is 15 and he would probably be like 20 or 21 and if it took them a longish time to create/make Sophie he would probably be 19 and who would ask for a kid that young for there DNA and then the kid say yes.
@remykatz4200
@remykatz4200 2 года назад
I personally hope that is NOT elwin, I think he is awesome and I rly hope elwin adopts keefe. I am a sokeefe shipper and I think it might be a bit awkward if they started dating and they shared a father(even tho its not biological). IDK if they makes sense.
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Hey! It’s been a while since we’ve seen you! I see what you’re saying 😊 I don’t think Elwin will adopt keefe, Shannon has started the arc of Cassius and Keefe’s relationship getting better (it was revealed that he loves keefe I think) but maybe! ❤️❤️
@remykatz4200
@remykatz4200 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase Ya... its more a unlikey hope. I hope to watching ur vids again i just moved to a different continent so I have been kinda busy. Also I LOVED the new song!!! hope u do more :)
@camilleclark5524
@camilleclark5524 2 года назад
So cool
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
I hope you enjoy the video, Camille!
@Eviee77
@Eviee77 2 года назад
I think that Sophie’s father is Elwin
@INFP-INTP_2408
@INFP-INTP_2408 Год назад
I think Sophie Father is Gethen or Elwin, But there are a lot of clues for the Theory Sophie’s father is Elwin
@dlphnlvr25
@dlphnlvr25 2 года назад
Am I the only one who is just bow realizing that shannon has only written in sophie and keefes POV?
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
Sorta! Shannon has written in Fitz’s POV, Tam’s POV, and recently announced she’s releasing a short story in the Unlocked paperback of Linh! :)
@lexlovesblondsz
@lexlovesblondsz 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase Wait, a Linh short story? When is it coming out?
@vqxm7
@vqxm7 Год назад
@@lexlovesblondsz its in unlocked
@FoxUlysses
@FoxUlysses Год назад
I personally don't think it's Grady: because, why would he spend his DNA? I mean he already had a daughter. But I really hope, that Sophie's father is Elwin.
@Enloxity
@Enloxity 2 года назад
Ok y’all don’t come for me for this but- I have a theory that Sophie’s dad is Lord Cassius, Keefes dad. The reason why is because if oralie and Cassius mixed it would look like Sophie. Keefe and Sophie are the only two elves that are connected to silveny. Keefe can oddly understand Sophie’s feelings In one book Cassius suddenly wanted to join the good guys (yes bc of Gisela but also maybe keefe and Sophie?) Cassius is oddly friendly to her( his favorite child?) He literally wanted a powerful child Also in one of the books I forget but it said that they got in a arguement around the time Sophie was born (sus?) There’s a lot more but I’m lazy so yea
@Enloxity
@Enloxity 2 года назад
It also can’t be Elwin because Oralie knows him personally and mr forkle or oralie(I forget) said that they personally don’t know them. Maybe they meant in a sense they have no idea who they are or they don’t know them personally
@sophie_louize
@sophie_louize 2 года назад
i hope not, bc that would make keefe and sophie’s relationship weird lol
@hannahm782
@hannahm782 4 месяца назад
now that i’ve had read book 9, i sincerely hope not. i’m team keefe all the way
@faeryeclair
@faeryeclair 2 года назад
I disagree with all of them but for reasons, well not the last one. For the first one, I REALLY doubt the Black Swan would use a human. Mr. Forkle said sometime in the books that she is "100% elf", and if her father was human, she would only be 50% elf. As for brant, just *no*. And for Grady, he hated the Black Swan, like you said, and NO ONE would give their DNA without even knowing what for. Another reason is if he really was, I seriously doubt that he would be able to hide it from Sophie for so long. Oralie didn't, and Grady LIVES with Sophie. And for Genthen, like brant, JUST NO. But, if he was the father, WHY IS HE WITH THE NEVERSEEN?
@ilovetaylorswift27
@ilovetaylorswift27 2 года назад
But what if they somehow got his DNA from Grady`s file...
@faeryeclair
@faeryeclair 2 года назад
@@ilovetaylorswift27 The Black Swan isn't like that. And it is implied in the series that the doners KNOW what their doing. An example is when someone said that they [the doners] don't know the other.
@ilovetaylorswift27
@ilovetaylorswift27 2 года назад
@Sabina Rahman I don’t know it was just a theory, but they could have lied to Sophie.
@faeryeclair
@faeryeclair 2 года назад
@@ilovetaylorswift27 but what's the point? What would they have to gain from hiding the fact from Sophie that the doners DO know each other. And it's ALSO been implied that Oralie doesn't know the other doner.
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
SHANNON PLEASE WHO IS SOPHIE’S BIOLOGICAL FATHER 😂😂😂 Also I agree with the Brant theory, I never thought of it, but if we knew a lot of the Neverseen and Black Swan members’ last name…why not Brant’s?
@swiftie1301
@swiftie1301 Год назад
Or it could be someone completely unimportant 😅
@rachelblack9545
@rachelblack9545 2 года назад
1. I don't think the black swan would have used someone's DNA without their permission. So that probably shoots down the neverseen and Grady. 2. Didn't Forkle say her parrents did not know each other? So no Kenric. 3. We have been explicitly told it is not Bronte, Alden (If I remember), or Forkle (at least one of them). 4. I agree lord Cassius probably could not keep it a secret from Sophie and Keefe. 5. Elwin is a possiblity, but I guess I am assuming Sophie will share at least 1 ability. 6. Maybe Prentice, Tiergan, or the Dead Forkle? 7. Are there any male polyglots?
@goldgrasshoppernein9451
@goldgrasshoppernein9451 2 года назад
I hate it but I think her dad Is Cassius Sencen. I love sokeefe but why can cassius and keefe the only ones that can read her emotions? Cassius is blond, and maybe he focuses on Sophie so much because he is disappointed in Keefe, and wants a successful child. This could also be why he wanted to join the black swan.
@stormcloud3337
@stormcloud3337 2 года назад
I know I've mentioned this under another video, but if elwin actually is blur (still not sure!!) *and* sophie's dad, that would be... uhm, interesting 😂
@lailaandsarahhaja4127
@lailaandsarahhaja4127 2 года назад
Hello, I’m genuinely asking why it would be interesting
@stormcloud3337
@stormcloud3337 2 года назад
@@lailaandsarahhaja4127 well, (SPOILERS) when sophie found out oralie was her mom, she was really really mad, and if elwin was her dad and blur, she would probably get angry at him, because he hid so much and she trusted him so much?
@stormcloud3337
@stormcloud3337 2 года назад
its just a theory 😋
@lailaandsarahhaja4127
@lailaandsarahhaja4127 2 года назад
@@stormcloud3337 that what I’m afraid of happening. I don’t want Sophie to hate Elwin like she hates Oralie
@stormcloud3337
@stormcloud3337 2 года назад
@@lailaandsarahhaja4127 I know, is it bad I sorta want her dad to be someone I don't like? 😅😂
@Chickenface123
@Chickenface123 Месяц назад
Maybe Sophie’s dad is that guy who Keefe’s mom killed (i don’t remember his name lol)
@celeste_628
@celeste_628 2 года назад
Arctic Waters is awesome, thank you so much!
@shannonrose2066
@shannonrose2066 2 года назад
I don’t think Sophie’s dad is human or Elwin. Yes I know people really think it’s Elwin, which the reason I don’t think so is Forkle said that Sophie’s mother(Councilor Oralie) and Sophie’s dad don’t know each other, which is obviously not true if Elwin is Sophie’s dad. I don’t think Sophie’s dad is a human because well, she’s fully elvin (pretty sure this was confirmed somewhere). Don’t think it’s Gethen because why would he be willing to donate his DNA if he’s the enemy of the group he’s donating to. Even if he was not part of Neverseen when he donated it, don’t you think he might’ve of used him being Sophie’s father to taunt Sophie? I mean he wouldn’t have any reason to keep that a secret, unless I’m skipping over something. I have no theories about who Sophie’s father is but I do think some of these theories have some holes. This is just my opinion, please no hate! Though leave a comment correcting me if I missed something
@walnutjewel1085
@walnutjewel1085 2 года назад
I think Sophie’s dad might be Timkin Heks…
@ItzCookiePopz
@ItzCookiePopz 5 месяцев назад
the scar was made by a needle for sophie
@charlottezagari3680
@charlottezagari3680 10 месяцев назад
If it isn’t elwin I will cry
@ChildOf_Apollo
@ChildOf_Apollo 2 года назад
My personal theory for Sophie’s biological father is Elwin be use of you think it makes perfect sense
@jojofrank2010
@jojofrank2010 2 года назад
Hey I think the dada is not tergan bc forkle said no to tergan right????? i think it is elwin!
@Jesusiscoolerthanme
@Jesusiscoolerthanme 2 года назад
Sophie and Gethen's scars are coincidental. His is from a dog bite and hers is from an ability reset.
@veronikacovalesky6990
@veronikacovalesky6990 2 года назад
IT IS SOOOOO ELWIN idk which book said it but the text stated something of Sophie thinking of Elwin as family or somthin
@readerwriterMH
@readerwriterMH 2 года назад
BTW one time I met a girl. She had orange blonde hair. I thought of kotlc. I wondered...could Oralie and Kenric could have a child. Maybe she had her memory washed so she would forget it...
@ghislainetibaudo2070
@ghislainetibaudo2070 Год назад
I think Sophie's father is Elwin or Gethen
@stina.bean.art.
@stina.bean.art. 2 года назад
hmmm…?
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
what are you confused about? im happy to help!
@stina.bean.art.
@stina.bean.art. 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase i’m still not sure who the dad is. i’ll have to wait for the next book 😅
@abbystephenson58
@abbystephenson58 2 года назад
I think it is Blur. Once he said it was a long story and physic said hers was better. She knew? And she is involved with project moonlark? Eh? Coincidence, I think not.
@THEWORLDOFJOSIAH
@THEWORLDOFJOSIAH 2 года назад
i thnk her bio dad is ELWIN i mean i dont know if thats true but i think there is a high chance
@TheFoodCat
@TheFoodCat 9 месяцев назад
btw: Do we know who Wraith and Blur are yet?
@goldenrose303
@goldenrose303 2 года назад
plot twist that doesn't go with this video, what if Mr. Fokle is part of the Neverseen because Neverseen always knew that the Black Swan were planning and that was how the runner knew were Sophie was in the first book? Unlikely but still
@happymittens92
@happymittens92 2 года назад
Sophie's father is Prentice and I am not changing my mind on this! I don't care if she's been told that he isn't by Mr Forkle. I feel like Mr Forkle lies all the time to protect Sophie and I feel like in the case of Prentice he is protecting her from the truth. There has to be a reason why Prentice is so important and why he tried so hard to hide Sophie's existence. He's her father and I will not rest until that obvious truth is revealed!
@roninstack6469
@roninstack6469 2 года назад
I think brant is a redek, because he’s a pyrokinetic and so is marella… idk it’s kind of a rough theory but I think it’s a big possibility.
@sophie_louize
@sophie_louize 2 года назад
OMG I AGREE WITH THIS SO MUCH
@grandmassnickerdoodle8674
@grandmassnickerdoodle8674 2 года назад
I haven't really seen anyone talk about this but, I don't want Sophie's father to be anyone who is like a father figure to Sophie. I want Elwin and Teirgan and anyone else who's been kind to her to just be good people. By making it Elwin it just kinda seems like he's only been kind to her because shes his kid. And it makes more sense for her other parent to be someone evil.
@antrarssxx
@antrarssxx 2 года назад
But it can’t be the dead Mr. Forkle right? Because they said the biological parents didn’t know each other and Mr. Forkle would’ve known about Oralie being the mother.
@ItzCookiePopz
@ItzCookiePopz 5 месяцев назад
I think Dex's father is her biological father.
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 5 месяцев назад
Oh interesting!
@ahicks1115
@ahicks1115 Год назад
The Forkle theory tho
@eleanoruimhurchu6770
@eleanoruimhurchu6770 7 месяцев назад
ITS ELWIN!!!
@cheese808
@cheese808 2 года назад
"OBJECTION" I can't, sorry when you say right.
@chadjohnson9208
@chadjohnson9208 2 года назад
I think Brandt is Marella’s brother
@kinseypuff6474
@kinseypuff6474 2 года назад
What if it's Lord cassius
@delphiniaureliaphoenix8343
@delphiniaureliaphoenix8343 2 года назад
Hopes up for a new character., not a heart attack 🖐😃
@kotlcfanbase
@kotlcfanbase 2 года назад
I’m the opposite I need all the drama 😭😭 haha!
@delphiniaureliaphoenix8343
@delphiniaureliaphoenix8343 2 года назад
@@kotlcfanbase then again same 😭
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