Who is the BEST DPS?? Navia vs Raiden ! [ Genshin Impact ] 

raiden is a shit support bro??? she doesnt even buff what teams does she support anyways? stop spreading misinfo u raiden simp

Justo comentaria esto y es verdad, como dps a c0 navia es mejor, la c2 de raiden es muy fuerte. Navia c6 no es suport, pero es tremendo sup dps.

@@thundercross3108 Wow you are planning to C6 both? That's crazy. I'm even waiting for the event later to get primos just to get Navia.

​@@thundercross3108 C6 Navia > C6 Raiden in terms of dps

thx 4 the vid imma save for raiden to use withe neuvi and snipe navia on her next rerun.

The power of GUN is not to be underestimated

Who is eula?

Yeah I have Eula... The powercreep is a shame, hope someday we have physical meta

@@Gheniel_ tbh eula was born weak, she didn't need to get powercrept. she gets stronk at c6 but come on at c0 she's easily worse than diluc. they did her dirty hiding 80% of her power behind cons.

@@GenshinYuppe i'm not too sure about that diluc comparison, her nuke dmg can still put up high dmg with the stacks given without her constellations. the only downside is the high amount of physical resistant/tolerant enemies, she has nothing that favors her as of now.

Lucky

as far as i know you dont want to play navia with kazuha. especially with navia you need elemential reactions to get the high dmg value. beside that raiden is still better for aoe

@@ZyklonFX yeah, i did NOT say at any moment that you should play kazuha with navia. I talked purely about raiden potential being also good for AOE

​@@ZyklonFXhe meant Shogun not Navia bro

Kazuha better then

@@ZyklonFX tbf raiden isn't the best at AOE either.

C6 Raiden > C6 Navia as dps. Simply because her rotations are much easier and she can damage more consistently

Not really , navia is better unit since she can be used as both DPS and sub DPS in the game

Archon is archon after all. Except venti.

@@kingdoom5022 Raiden can literally be used for the same. On top of being a battery unit for other units. What you said makes no sense.

Raiden does give buff on burst doesn't she ?

Actually every scenario is pretty much the same with navia. You buff and then you do E>CA>E>CA. I get over 400k per shot like that. Her CA gets you the most crystals because CA has no ICD in genshin.

​@blazn0 so I'm NOT the only one who uses CA in most cases over just tapping the NA! I noticed with my yae, zhongli c2, benny team I can get crystalize easily but when I would use CA it made MORE crystals and fetches me instant 6 shots on her after using her burst > E > Infused CA > E > infused CA

@nobody-xh6ii yea. CA will always generate more crystals. Navia is new so people still have to figure this out.

@@blazn0what’s CA

@@emeri.i charge attack.

Yeah, Raiden, Furina, Nahida and Kazuha all have fairly cracked C2s. Honestly I can't decide who takes the crown. Raiden gets the biggest personal DPS bump, but Furnia just ends up super buffing everyone on your team.

​@@alexlyster3459the fact that all of them are archons except kazuha.. venti should've been the one with that role as an archon.. 💀

@@alexlyster3459 i can. furina does. nahida's c2 requires an aggravate party for the best effect and that sucks. furina buffs just anyone. plus her c3 is just as good as her c1. raiden isn't even on the running since she only makes her copium c0 personal damage turn into something usable and doesn't buff anyone else.

@@GenshinYupperaiden c0 isnt even that bad for damage, me personally i have c2 so idk the difference

@@hishamahmed5639 *sigh* i'm not doing this again in a different thread.

So you have guaranteed raiden good luck 🤞

@@mythicalgaming7341 no guaranteed because I got furina, but good luck to you too

@@kvendy umm you said you lost your 50/50 but after that you got furina i think?

@@kvendy and i am a new player too reached sumeru archon quest but still doesn't reached AR 45 😢need about 8-9k more xp and i won all my two 50-50s first on furina and second on ayaka and i think this time game won't give me raiden after this much blessing 😅💀

@@mythicalgaming7341 I prayed for you wishes to be blessed

Take both

raiden is best at everything as she is the archon and no electro character is better than her

​@@yashchandel2092bro since when "archon" count as benefit? I dont really care

Congrats bro .... I lost Navia to Qiqi .... Now I'm waiting for her rerun 😭😭, probably on 4.8

fucking traitor, betraying the almighty raiden shogun

I agree

You’re forgetting Yelan, Hu Tao, Ayaka

​@@tusharsrivastava370All three of them have been powercrept though.

@@erwinbedia9606 how tho? Yelan is the best sub-dps, Hu Tao is the best pyro dps & Ayaka is still the best cryo dps. I’d love to know your reasoning

She's actually the most flexible geo unit there is. She doesn't need gorou. Just a 2nd geo if that. In coop I've been in teams where I'm solo geo as navia and have been fine. As long as you have a benny or a furina to buff you're golden. It's just easier to gain crystals through a 2nd unit like zhongli, albedo, geo traveler, ninnguang [I use c2 zhongli with benny + noblesse and yae to gaurintee crystals]

​@nobody-xh6ii geo unit what they meant was you can't put her in a hyperbloom team you can't put her in national

yeah at least you didn't get c4 qiqi like i did. i'm still trying to farm wishes to get navia though. i might be able to reach soft pity by the end of the banner depending on my luck (if i get a lot of repeated c6 4 stars, it'll push me into the range)

@@GenshinYuppegood luck!!

Eh, have a lil fun why dont cha? 👁👄👁💅

That’s a cheat code apparently Don’t do that to not lose all ur fun in Genshin 😅

Como personaje, raiden es mejor en general. Como dps c0 navia gana. Todo depende de lo que busques. Yo prefiero a navia, me gusta raiden( la tengo c2) pero navia me enamoro, aun asi considero a raiden must pull y no a navia.

big number = must pull character

Shogun is more universal you got your point,that is clear as water. But Navia isnt tied at all,maybe fewer optimal comps,but thats all. I have raiden c2 and farming for her to be at least good takes me almost a year,Navia in the other hand is more easy to build and watch her proc everyone favorite BIG NUMBERS.

@@yoa5119 yep, navia can be used with any other elemental character (that can make crystalize reaction). Every fontaine 5 star DPS is Great, different from most of the Sumeru and Inazuma ones.

Raiden é bucha 👍

Me

at c0 raiden is just bad so no, she doesn't provide more value. and electro isn't necessarily better than geo. there are a billion mobs immune to electro and dendro, and almost none immune to geo. plus for hyperbloom i personally think kuki is better than raiden 90% of the time but that's just me.

@@GenshinYuppe it's definitely just you, lmfao

@GenshinYuppe and yes, she does provide more value. She provides infinite uptime teamwide buffs. That automatically makes her a better unit than Navia who's exclusively Geo Damage

@@ravenr0cks not really, it isnt just me. kuki at least heals. raiden doesnt do shit other than proc hyperbloom (unless you think her copium 4 digit procs count as damage, or if you have a character that's super dependent on burst damage, which isn't very likely on a hyperbloom team). biggest upside is her e lasts longer but who cares. maybe she's better with neuvillette too but that's like a super edge case. c0 raiden is just bad. her only good team is rational, but that team has a billion replacements, a lot of which are better than her, so her value is meh

​@@GenshinYuppecalling raiden c0 bad is such an exaggeration bro 😂 Ofc navia c0 is better than Raiden c0 at DPS, because she is meant to be only dps and nothing more, Raiden shogun is a support + DPS, It's just a thing called "balance" (exception: Neuvilette)

Navia, raiden, furina, bennet? Si, creo que funcionaria.

Raiden is much better as a unit, because she is a top tier support

Raiden good for support..but for damage at c0 .. Navia is better .but she's a geo so you cannot use her in more variant teams like you can with Raiden... (Electro charged, hyperbloom ,aggravate ,spread ,etc)

Also dps gets powercrept ..by another .but supports are eternal ...

Navia better, her kit as a geo is made to have different elements in the team and not just geo. Also If you are thinking about using Electro for dendro reactions, then Kuki Shinobu is better than raiden and lower investment.

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If you need a Dps, then Navia is probably better.

If u dont have a good DPS and need one then yes, if not u can always get one good 5 star support, buffer or sustain unit like kazuha, zhongli, nahida, yelan, kokomi etc.

I see.. Which is better between navia and shogun?

@@kliverjohn Raw dps = Navia Support = Shogun Generally speaking: Support > DPS But if you wsnt to get Navia go for it, she is very strong DPS and she is also very beautiful character, so u can probably like her. She is probably never be out of meta unless a lot of enemies with elemental shield comes out in the next abyss and regions, but that's very unlikely to happen. Decide for yourself which character you like most and be happy 👍

@@Gheniel_ i check shogun in some web that tell her rating. She have SS evaluation main dps, supp, sup dps. Navia also look appealing if her RAW dps is high. But she only work good as Main dps? I not understand much about the game mechanics...

Well shenhe can buff cryo characters, Furina can buff basically everyone. So you should pull Ayaka, Wriothesley or any character that you personally like !

Why ?

@@yellowflash4482 to reach the shoguns max potential as DPS you would need her C2. Navia doesnt require any C at all. Also Navia has some more weapons aside from her signature that go well with her. The Shogun has some as well but not quite as many I'd say

​@@The.Sketchyskyward spine death match the catch

​@The.Sketchy and btw raiden is f2p friendlier than navia bcoz she provides energy in any team her best team is c0 national c2 just makes it better its more like c2 is her c6 that's why people seem to think she needs cons

@@Raidenmommy89 Talking about the C2 which is important for the Shogun. Navia does more DMG at C0 than C0 Raiden. Also Navia has a lot more weapons besides her signature that work well on her. I mean the shogun has some too but I think there are more options for Navia

because you have no *skill* 🥰

well, okay whale@@PCs454

@PCs454 how tf is this connected to skill 🤡

@@real_rutmen it's connected through sarcasm

its a joke because i see many idiots who think genshin is a skill based game and say *"skill issue 🤡"* whenever theres any comment about primogems or spiral abyss

Likely*

furina, obviously. I'd use Furina Bennet Itto Navia in a navia-itto team. for shields you can survive off crystalize.

​@@GenshinYuppe especially with how much crystalize you get in general

Go for navia xd, c0 navia is way better than c2 raiden

@@lambadelta1.5millionviews15 you sure bro. In my experience it is the opposite

@@swapannandi8217 nah not really, but tbh I'd still suggest to get a new character instead of investing on the same char

If you have navia you don't need raiden. navia energy is recharged almost instantly anyway

@@dontaskmeforusername that doesn’t mean your other teammates will get theirs back. That’s the whole point of Raiden. She’s a sub dps/battery for the whole team.

Better farm for energy recharge artifact and use more useful character rather than Raiden lol

In terms of dps yes she's obviously better but raiden is the better character here that's a fact

@@Raidenmommy89 what character?

@parabina navia is the better dps raiden is the better character

@@Raidenmommy89 meh. Don't what you mean. I dont relate on what characters do. Just enjoying exploring and fighting monster

If you consider C2 cheap, I don't know what to say.

@@Paradoxicallibilityit is comparatively a lot cheaper than others. Especially cuz her utility peaks at c3 she’s the most cost effective character in the game so far

​@@tusharsrivastava370effective for what😂 ? Completed de abyss that almost every team can do it, this game dont have challenge

@@FAQxHUTAO why u here then. Go use your other teams to complete the challenges or start playing actually competitive games then🤷🏻‍♂️

@@tusharsrivastava370 i am here because i like navia shotgun

Both.

Both.

Probably both, but depends on what ur needing on ur account bro.

Raiden if you dont have enough primos

Agree but"DPS" would be more fitting since nahida, kazuha, Zongli etc. Are also meta

Wanderer> Lyney> wriothesley>

Rest seems fine but Xiao is a little powercrept now. Wanderer is better rn and still competitive in AOE situations

@@tusharsrivastava370 it all depends on players comfortablility , they both are same depend upon the team , so for me I think it's xiao then wanderer , don't get me wrong wanderer is also solid dps equal to xiao , but then it comes to player playstyle

@@yamsbeans sorry friend but I couldn't agree with ur statement at all , wriosley is kinda close but lyney is not is not nearly as hutao

Yeah i have slotted my navia into all my comps

Not my problem if her shards have 5min duration

Except you could've easily avoided getting any in the first place ​@@DYSPROGENSHIN

@@DYSPROGENSHIN would it have been nitpicking if the 2 shards actually mattered?

Bro, it not that deep 😭

Eh I don’t think it’s that big of a deal I mean they used her hold skill which takes longer

That really isn't a problem you just want cristallizes as long as you have enough you're good to go. You seem to hate Navia particularly that's fine but that won't make her any less good

the fact she is geo in this case is an advantage: she pulls huge numbers without having to rely on reactions, so she's free to mix and match elements, and there are almost no enemies that are immune to her damage. the only disadvantage is that kazuha doesn't buff her. but since furina came out, that became a non-issue.

You obviously don't have navia. Plus she is new. Hoyo is going to make more team mates for her in the future. Yes Raiden fits in more teams but navia doesn't work like the other Geo's. She needs to be in teams with other elements.

​@@GenshinYuppethis! Someone who gets it! Plus benny and other buffing units can use her. She's not restricted at all tbh. Her E infused CA's batteries crystalize and if you have someone like charlotte, yae, furina, ayato, etc it gaurintees the enemies will have an element. Then with a geo + her there's so much crystalize on the field you wouldn't know what to do. [Funny enough my zhongli's on Petra so it's buffing the dmg output even more of whoever's element got picked up.]

@@GenshinYuppe kazuha doesnt buff geo and Navia doesnt have a dedícated support (c6 kujo sara).These two reasons make Navia super good,because she can still rocks !!!

Are you from some alternate universe? 😅😅 Noelle c0 can do big damage like navia😅. Also raiden is c2 here and navia c0

lol navia comes preety close to her they both land as t2 dps

Raiden teams: - Raiden national - Raiden Hyperbloom DPS / Sub dps (xingqiu, yaoyao, etc...) - Raiden aggravatte DPS (dendro traveller, fischl, etc...) - Raiden electro charged (Raiden, xingqiu, fishcl, kokomi, etc...) - Raiden overload (sucrose, bennett, other pyro or electro units...) - Eula teams (Raiden can buff Eula burst and recharge her energy) - Teams with teamates that have high cost burst (any class of character) - Swap teams who use a lot of elemental burst, so they will benefit a lot from her burst dmg buff - Raiden Hypercarry What are the Navia teams? Oh... They are all focused only on her personal DPS?? 😱 Guess what? Navia is made only to be a DPS, while Raiden is not!! 😮😮 What a great discovery! Genshin Players don't know how to read character skills... How new! 😂

@@Gheniel_ mentally ill Raiden simps confound me. She's boring. Kuki is better than her in hyperbloom and fischl/beidou do tazer team better. She's arguably decent in aggravate and good for Eula but Eula is also the worst 5 star character in the game. Raiden is also aesthetically generic, her character is comically BAD with how it's written. I do not own Raiden and easily 36 star abyss, she is at best a luxury pull for noobs. Navia is fun to play, makes Geo feel decent, braindead easy yet more mechanically complex than Raiden at the same time so she's not outright BORING and she actually fills subDPS with petra quite easily for some fast dirty damage. Stay mad raiden simp, Raiden was always strong but unnecessary and electro's best role (dendro) Raiden isn't even the best option there is, electro sucks.

@@escapetherace1943 trying to extract the max potential of a characters is different from simping, if this is the definition of simping to you then I simp for almost every character in the game (atleast the ones I have). Also, u dont need to bring lore and gameplay together, but since you did I will say one thing: What about u try to understand the characters before judging it? The written is alwful sometimes for most of genshin characters, lately then have been improving they pacing and storytelling. But Raiden is still and archon, she is the archon who had most failures until the current main story, but she has one of the most great development in the game, if u don't want to understand her, fine! The choice is yours, but the lore and the motives behind the characters actions are all in the game, u just need to search up for them and Instead of looking for ways to reject the character, look for reasons to understand what motivated they to do what they did, and whether their intentions were good or not. If it was to judge a character by first impression I would call raiden a villain, would call xiao an annoying emo that doesn't want to be around people bc he is edgy, or I would also for example tell that scaramouche is just another edgy with mommy issues and mental problems because he is fragile emotional emo boy. That's the difference... between trying to connect the dots of the lore to understand the character, rather than looking for reasons to dislike a character and pointing out narrative flaws. Understanding and patience has always been the key.

@@escapetherace1943 you don't have to be a simp to state facts my guy, that's like calling you a kuki simp for saying she's better than raiden because she could fit in 1/3 of raiden teams, and a navia simp because she can be a better dps than raiden, whilst not giving anything to the team unlike her(dps are always bound to be powercreeped, supports aren't on the other hand). it's not subjective to say raiden's one of the best characters in the game, you can hate a character but you don't have to downplay them lmao.

@@user-cn7oj3ws8q that's a false dichotomy and a fallacy, you have no idea what you're talking about. I never said Raiden was bad either, I said she's redundant but strong and a luxury pick. Imagine pulling her just because you're a slave to the meta, lol

Ur blind my bro

@@Kobi805 thnkss but in terms of dps Navia is just something else but as for other roles raiden is winner so u need to get ur eyes checked.

@@anujmourya4118 Bro even the uploader said Raiden did more damage and you can check the numbers. C0 Navia > C0 Raiden C0 Navia < C2 Raiden C2 Navia < C2 Raiden

@@kerem061 navia just 2 shot him raiden took more time thn her 🤣🤣

​@@anujmourya4118could be wrong but I think op found raiden to be stronger based on net damage from a rotation since raidens normals do more dmg

She is at c2

Yep...like Navia damage and fun playstyle is tempting but she cannot contribute to the team like Raiden can... But having one good geo unit is not bad..but for people who are looking to improve their account..Raiden is better choice

Dont be mad Bro. Raiden needs a high investment on her comp. Navia only needs characters that everyone has, and this Navia is C0. The Navia C6 with food can cause 1,5 - 1M per shot without considering ult damage. Raiden is only a S± Tier which is the same Tier to Navia, Nahida is the real SSS+ Tier.

@@filosofocomfotodeanimenope4347Oh yeah Raiden needs High Investment characters. Its not like anyone has Bennett. He is a secret 6 Star. And no one has Xiangling too. You need to clear Floor 69 of Abyss. And Xingqiu is secret Hydro Archon, but didnt get a Banner so no one has him.

you guys know who is truly a low invest character Nahida end of debate just pull who you like to pull

Its true that raiden is sss tier but it think navia is really fun to play :D

​@@kerem061lol

???

Raiden simp overload

@@sashimi3406 no, just reality.

@@morrismonet3554 everyone has their own opinions on characters and raiden for me is not the best and most useful character in the game. It depends on your account and preferred playstyle. I tried c2 raiden, c6 scara, kazuha and national raiden teams on another acc. Doesn't fit my preferred playstyle. So yeah, there is no best and most useful character. Even if it is another worldwide meta character, if it is boring for you, it will be a waste of primos for ur acc.

@@sashimi3406 OK, that's your opinion. But, she is still the most used character, and the biggest money maker in the game.

raiden was not planned to be dps at c0 unlike navia, I don't understand your point, are you going to compare a support with a dps in terms of damage? Wtf

@@Kobi805 Yeah these guys keep on comparing Raiden C0 DPS to other when in fact she's truly a support/sub-dps at C0. Truly they don't understand the game.

​@@Kobi805c0 raiden is better than most dps She gives energy to whole team making it ez to rotate

C0 raiden is meant as a driver to funnel energy for the team.

The thing is ..good c0 characters would not change much with constellation but raiden does have a big upgrade with constellation ...

Natlan easy to skip when celestia

Celestia easy skip when Unknown God

@@kadabo Celestia easy skip when Childish Jiang

​@@kadabocelestia easy skip when abyss sibling

​@@bobbycat05Abyss sibling ez skip, paimon when

Damage isnt everything

@@shaine9968 like her only good team is probably hyperbloom but kuki can do the same and she can heal lol

Depend on u how u build characters

​@hamzie4779 raiden can run hypercarry, aggravate, hyberbloom, and rational, with some teams allowing for variants in team comps, navia at c0 is stronger but has furina hyper, double Pyro, and Mona nuke as her best teams but less flexibility in team compositions. Nonetheless both are still really good but I would definitely not say raiden fell off.

@@dsighed7111 Dps? Naviac0> Raidenc0 Soporte? Raidenc0>Naviac0 Valor en tu cuenta? Raiden>Navia Me gusta mas navia que raiden, pero raiden te aporta mas a tu cuenta.