Who is the Most Inbred Habsburg? 

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Poor Margarita. To be married so young to your uncle-cousin, and lose five of your six children before dying at 21. Truly a tragic life story.

"Fancied his step-mother" For a Habsburg, that's an improvement. Although knowing the Habsburgs, his step mother was also still probably his distant cousin. And grandmother. And neice.

Thats not a family tree. Thats a family shrub.

The crazy thing is that it was obvious to any random peasant how bad inbreeding could be since they could observe its effects in animals, and thus they themselves tried hard to avoid it even in the most remote villages.

And to think that the artisans commissioned to paint all these portraits were likely ordered to make each person look better than they actually did.

gave myself a headache trying to read the family trees and figure out the multiple relationship dynamics between everyone 😟

I'm soooo glad someone finally said this! There are so many videos on RU-vid framing Charles II as the 'final result' of Hapsburg inbreeding. But he wasn't - the family kept on inbreeding! And some of them were (relatively) healthy too! It's fascinating, and people do history a disservice by glossing over this all.

I sometimes wonder . . . if what we're seeing are the court portraits painted by artists who probably would have been punished if the subject didn't like how they turned out . . . what must the Hapsburgs have looked like in real life?

At this point it's not even a family tree, it's more like a family bowl of spaghetti

what would you do if you found out youre inbred to any degree? ill start: never mention that to anyone ever again

Attempting to understand such a genetic mess is pretty difficult. The Japanese game of Sudoku or Newton's Calculus would be easier.

Yeah Charles is so famous because despite not being the most inbred, his being male made the inbreeding way more apparent and resulted it in him affecting his life way more. The reason that there’s a lot of genetic diseases where men are the vast majority of the cases is because the genes for those are usually on the X chromosome, and women with defective genes on the X chromosome have a chance of having a good gene on one of theirs to make up for the faulty one on the other. So that’s one full chromosome that women have way less of a chance of having issues with than men. Probably also why Cleopatra VII was not only one of the smartest women (if not the smartest woman) in the ancient world who spoke 10+ languages and was able to carry four children to term (granted, with fathers not related to her) when by some estimates she’s twice as inbred as Charles there, who was thought to be infertile, had numerous other health issues, and if I recall was considered not very bright.

While WE are certainly aware of some of the ramifications of their inbreeding and how dangerously inbred they truly were, the question I have is, were THEY even remotely close to being as aware? Did they even correlate the numerous early deaths and genetic deformities with their inbreeding, or were they simply choosing to ignore it? Were they underestimating the role duplicate DNA played within their abnormalities? I’m aware that they weren’t familiar with what actual DNA was. I’m just curious as to the extent of their knowledge concerning inbreeding and if it had any bearing on their decisions.

It would've been hilarious if you found out you were the most inbred person ever in the sponsorship.

My be is that the most inbred was not a Habsburg, but a Bourbon. Louis XIV of France and his wife Maria Theresa of Austria were first cousins twice over, and their children had a grand total of 4 great grandparents each. Given the amount of Habsburg in the mix, I present said children as the most inbred.

This was a fascinating video. I can't blame someone for being inbred -- you don't get to choose your parents. You can, however, think about your own children and wonder how healthy they might be if you marry a cousin or other close relative. All of this makes me wonder to what extent the people knew about the dangers of inbreeding at the time?

What happens at 10:55? It feels like something was cut because I don't see how "couldn't eat due to his jaw" connect to "the first war over two continents".

These videos are so fascinating; I breezed through the genetics unit in 11th grade bio.

One of the pictures you have for Don Carlos is not Don Carlos, but rather his mother’s brother Joao Manuel of Portugal. The woman you cite when you mention his stepmother is also from the Portuguese house, and not Elisabeth de Valois. And one could be fairer to Don Carlos by mentioning that he was not as bad before the major head injury. Philip II and Anna of Austria’s children, technically speaking, died of epidemic diseases. Whether they would have survived if their parents were less closely related is speculative. Also, Sissi was a Wittlesbach by birth and her children were inbred more because her husband was related to her than because she was related to her husband. You’re improving, though.

Get so excited when this channel uploads a new video

You’re such an amazing channel!!! Please please please cover the deaths of all monarchs in the Netherlands - I’m a Dutch Canadian but I know so little about our history!

So interesting! Keep it up❤

What a thorough and well-researched video!!

You can tell they were depressed with all the long faces.

The queen shown at 5:38 at Napoleon's coronation was his first wife, Josephine, not his second Habsberg wife.

When your family tree looks like a cypress. Funny that Don Carlos's viciousness and unbalanced behavior were either ignored or blamed on the actions of his father towards him, being whitewashed for centuries in The Netherlands, England, France, Italy and any other place that loathed the Habsburgs. Whatever nasty things Don Carlos might have done, these places hated Philip II even more. Philip III, Don Carlos's half-brother, was the same level of dolt but without the homicidal tendencies.

Fascinating information. Shocking, perverse of course. Knowing that most of their children would not survive, they all accepted that the woman would require to have multiple pregnancies to have one or two children survive to adulthood. Awful way for any woman to be treated. The heartache and risk of death.

Wow just wow! Thank you so much for going in-depth with this amazing video!! ❤

Thanks for the educational and fascinating content. A little bit of advice to make your videos more viewer-friendly: When you show the horizontally oriented family tree, it's not clear that there is consanguinity. Maybe you should just stick to the vertical genealogy graphs. When you talk about events in someone's life, maybe it would help to have the approx year appear in the lower right corner. I know we're talking, like, 1700s maybe? It would just clarify things for the viewers.

“Bug eyes” 😂😂😂😂😂 and the Kylie Jenner references 😂😂😂

Love your videos

Maria Anna of Bavaria. It's deeper. Look at the chart where you see double Philip and Joanna. There is a third person who folds into this. Kunigunde of Austria at the top is Maximilian's sister, aunt of Philip. Both Maximilian and Mary of Burgundy were cousins and descendants of Edward III through John of Gaunt and his wife Blanche of Lancaster. Their daughter was Philippa who married King John of Portugal. Their descendants split out to become parents of Charles the Bold (son of Isabella of Portugal, father of Mary of Burgundy). Son Edward became father to Eleanor who became father to Maximilian. Another son John "Constable" married his half niece and they had the mother of Queen Isabella of Castile who had Joanna the Mad. Also mother to Catherine of Aragon who married another descendant of John of Gaunt and Blanche, Henry VIII. Henry VIII was also a multi generational mixture of cousins marrying cousins that were all descendants of the above mentioned Henry of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth.

Somehow Antonia was able to avoid marrying her uncle as well and actually married outside of the Habsburg family.

Love your channel

The most on-point sponsor for a video.

It's bad when you're family line is a circle. It's so much worse when your family line has THREE circles. I can't help but wonder if the Ptolomys or the Hapsburgs were worse. I suppose I'll have to watch your video on Cleopatra to find out.

Philip II: I’m marrying my niece Pope: *wtf no gross* Philip II: I will literally let Austria burn if you don’t let me

Looking at Mariana of Austria’s hair is like the most confusing thing in the world and it breaks my brain

WHY DOESN'T THIS CHANNEL HAVE MORE SUBS?!?

It’s so interesting to see the Habsburg family stick.

"Our Liege Lord Hapsburg ruled over his realm with the help of his mother and sister." "Both of them?" "They're the same person."

You really get a feeling of it when you are on a vacation in Austria these days.

that family is just trifling disgusting

Bad genetics make for great opera. Verdi composed an opera about Don Carlos. It has some of the most beautiful music of all time.

don carlos sounds like joffrey from game of thrones

"The Habsburgs are marrying into so many royal families they might have to start marrying each other." - Bill Wurtz

I had to pause in dismay around 7:11 when The Shy Historian stated "His complications began..." EEK!

For those who don't know, Cleopatra had a consanguinity coefficient of 0.45

Charles II got the raw deal. He had so many things wrong with him. The only positive thing about him was that he couldn’t have any children.

Hapsburg Family Wreath? I'm in. Fascinating! 🤔🤓

And here I was thinking that they were ugly because the portrait painters were using a certain art style or something. Nah, they actually looked that way. Yikes. Fascinating stuff!

If they wouldve kept going someone wouldve ended up being their own grandfather. Also poor Mariana and Margarita. Considering how terribly shallow their gene pool was they are actually gorgeous. Or rather the paintings of them are.

Why did they care about bloodlines back then its not like they have the power to control dragons

Kylie Jenner 😂😂

They really are grotesque. I don’t believe that they were ignorant of how much damage they were doing to each other.

And this is keeping in mind what Baldrick in Blackadder said about portraits being made to be flattering, not accurate.

@shyhistorian So interesting! I believe there was a plan to marry Maria Antonia to her uncle Charles II - two products of uncle-niece marriages, and within the same section of the family (even worse than Philip III and Margaret). Just imagine the poor offspring that would have resulted from that union, had it happened (and had Charles II been physically able to breed). Ferdinand III may not have been directly related to his third wife, Eleanora Gonzaga, but she was still part of the Habsburgs, albeit distantly, via Philip II's daughter, Catalina Micaela, and - also via HRE Ferdinand I's daughter, Joanna of Tuscany. Thank you for including Wittelsbach/Habsburg princess, Maria Anna of Bavaria - there's so little information about her, but her appearance is fascinating. Finally, have you looked into the Boubon-Two Sicilies continuation of the Habsburg dynasty - specifically the massive inbreeding that eventually resulted in Isabella II of Spain? That would make a fascinating video.

i think it's so nice when they check back in on the Whittaker family

Given that artists turned out very flattering depictions of royals, reality was probably much worse.

You may want to check the consistency of which you mention when the king learned to talk. I've seen many videos now and the year is different in many. Just a thought. Not saying it to be rude or cause a rise but knowing which year it was truly would be appreciated, thank you.

Unrelated, but you have an easy voice to listen to. You sound similar to the coffeehouse crime guy and that is not a bad thing

Wait what about Cleopatra?!? Now I'm going to have to see if you made a video about her too

There is a slight annoying echo in your audio that makes it hard to understand what you're saying. It's like you're talking into a toilet bowl.

Some of what you're describing as "deformities" don't seem like deformities at all. The jaws and bulging lips of these people, yes. But lots of people have high foreheads and prominent eyes without being inbred.

Less a family tree, more a plate of spagetti

How much difference do you think there was in the paintings we see and how they really looked in person?

10:54 is something missing? Is that when he died?

I love the video popping up after this: “Was Cleopatra inbred?” Bucking Betteridge’s law there. She was the child of multiple generations of sibling and avuncular marriage. OF COURSE she’s inbred!

Another fascinating video, how backward were people in those days that they couldn't see what their inbreeding was doing to their children?

When I was in high school, I wrote a shitpost story that involved a ridiculously convoluted family tree which was the entire joke of the story. That family tree looked normal compared to the Habsburg family tree. That's like a circuit board not a tree

I swear to god, I met a dude a few days ago with a Habsburg Jaw. It was just so giant, and deformed looking, lips miles apart, slurred speech as well

So the first 3 1/2 minutes is nothing but schilling for ‘MyHeritage’.

10:54 What happened here? It feels like a segment was cut accidentally

10:02 That painting is in Animal Crossing.

Video needs some banjo music. ..

Question about the First World War comment…you mentioned it as you wrapped up charles ii…is there a missing line or something? I don’t get why that was mentioned

Same music that Sims lore channel uses omg

Everyone complaining about the ad is ridiculous, just skip through it my god 😂 that being said, great video! The sound quality is not great (im deaf in my left ear). Maybe try to get the echo down a bit! Regardless, good info!

Schiller definitely was not writing from real life in his play about Don Carlos, which was turned into an opera by Verdi.

So, I am actually confused, since there is an article «The role of inbreeding in the extinction of a European royal dynasty» at NIH that states the inbreeding coefficient of Charles II was actually a bit higher than that of Don Carlos (0.254 versus 0.211). It is interesting to notice how the inbreeding coefficient in these royal members is higher than expected (compared to the expected coefficient between double first cousins/uncle-niece in one isolated generation) due to the effect of cumulative inbreeding (which can´t be ignored). It is often not stated that, before the marriage of Juana of Castille and Philip the Handsome (Habsburg) ( not closely related to one another), there was inbreeding between the iberian dynasties through cousin marriages for a long time. This also needs to be stated in order to understand the higher than expected coefficients later found.

Bro did you record this from across the room

10:55 what is that all about? I think you've missed some chunk of a video while editing

Wow VERY WELL DONE!!

I'm speechless... 😮

Leopold didn't marry Eleanore of Neuburg because she wasn't related to him, there were several women considered for him (including Hapsburgs) and a Swedish lady I think, but he chose Eleanore because the family was known for being incredibly fertile. They had no understanding of genetic inbreeding and its effects on the health of children etc. Marriage then was all politics and keeping the money and power in the family.

The background music should have been dueling banjos.

Why'd you randomly bring up the 7 years war at the end of Charles II

when your family tree is a vine

not going to lie: A top 10 most inbred people video is...somewhat hilarious.

The sound quality is so bad I can't watch this through to the end

This needs rewatches in order to get the grasp of it all 🤯

What is Karolina Zebrowska doing in the thumnail?

Looking at those pictures, they all were 😂

That ain’t not family tree that’s a family branch

Kinda ironic it all basically started with a guy called Philip "The Handsome"

I believe it was the Habsburgs who inspired the song "I am my own grandpa".

the bicycle greatly improved the gene pool in europe as it enabled young men to go courting much further and spread their seed in less familiar fields.

I thought the number one will be Ferdinand I of Austria because he was born with their parents who are 1st cousins TWICE OVER like Carlos of Spain but not very rude but more in sickly one I think but I realized he was the member of the Habsburg-Lorraine but yea

Joana of Castile is my 17th grandmother