Maybe the "bad kid" statement could be because of all of Mike's friends, he was the one that helped to put the crying child in fredbear's mouth, like, they are the 2 that have he's blood on their hands (in a more direct way)
Yeah, Sun and Moon don't really strike me as the kind to change their speech patterns when they talk to adults vs children. If you're in the daycare doing daycare activities I figure they'd just assume you ARE a kid, regardless of your actual age or size.
Also think a big hint at being an adult is what Baby DOESN'T do, she doesnt scoop the player. Because baby only scoops children. Kind of gives a big point to the baby ice cream scene. The only scooping from an adult is from Mike in a scooping room.
But the green eyes would suggest Elizabeth is in control. Maybe she doesn’t want to harm anyone unless necessary? Or,more likely,she doesn’t want to risk another soul disrupting her control over Baby
@@birdmcturd1626i dont think elizabeth would have control over what was programmed into the suit itself, mainly because of fnaf 3, despite WA being in the springbonnie suit the suit will still move on its own towards sounds of kids playing
@@maelstrom_n That’s a fair point. I will say Elizabeth changing the eye colour is one of the most impressive things we’ve seen a ghost do in this franchise which might mean Elizabeth is more powerful than most but that’s pure speculation
I like the Cassie Dad theory, it feels so narratively completing. Cassie's Dad becoming the animatronic that helps bring Cassie to her demise, not being able to stop it or tell her it's him. I really hope this theory is true!
No it's not, we know almost nothing about Cassie's dad as a CHARACTER, thus it could be any character, like a regular security guard "a person who supposed to protect people led one of them into a trap, how completion!". Also we don't know if Cassie truly dead and lastly she were led into a trap by nonsense plot. How Mimic got a walkie-talkie? How it send a message to her? Why Gregory couldn't connect to her until the end? Start ask questions and you'll see how fast all plot of SB and Ruin will become garbage
@@Mekap_Oblethat’s kinda a lie,personality wise? Eh maybe. But we do know a bunch like his interest in collecting vintage stuff and that bonnie was his favorite
@@Mekap_Obleyea we don’t know a lot about him, that’s why the theory makes sense because if it is true it reveals a lot about his character and who he is. Also it would be really boring if it is just some random dude we’ve never heard of, and to add to that, there is a lot of holes in the story but that’s the point, if we just knew everything then there wouldn’t be a point to continue the story, that’s kinda how story telling works.
From the bite inflictor to a bite victim, than as an old man, he's forced to pass along something dangerous to his daughter sending her off toward on her own cycle. That seems to be a theme in the Steel Wool Era, the cycle of trauma.
Yeah, your right. Chica bro and Freddy bro just seem to be standing watching Mike and CasDad hold CC in the bite, so this means two things: CasDad was prob Mikes best friend, He must feel nearly as much guilt as Michael, knowing that he just helped to kill his best friend's little brother.
Cassie's dad being Jeremy Fitzgerald also makes sense because every single time the name Jeremy is brought up in this franchise, it's always to do with Bonnie. The missing child who possessed Bonnie is theorised to be named "Jeremy" and if our Jeremy is not the Jeremy who cut off his face in HW 1, we can also say he is loosely connected to Bonnie due to Glitchtraps existence.
most likely his brother was one of the og mci victim? maybe jeremy the 3rd? or 4th?? a line of cursed jeremys 😢 willy probably targeted him because of the incident
that also gives more context to cassie's friendship with roxy, cause of the theory that tangle is the storyteller and is enforcing its data of the animatronic mask (their characters) onto the glamrock animatronics, which in that case would lead to mangle being connected to roxy
I love the Fitzgerald theory being mentioned more because it came to mind the moment I saw the "Remember Jeremy" trophy being linked to the Bonnie plush. I'm so happy that people who understand the franchise also came to that same conclusion.
Remember Jeremy is not exclusive to Bonnie plush though. I just finished watching matpat's playthrough, he got the achievement by collecting the first memory (for him it was the puppet). Either playstation handles achievements differently, or its meant to represent the first memory you obtain
@@DeVoidLijAnd that actually backs this theory up more, cause if "remember Jeremy" is for ANY plush, its not just "remember this one dead kid" but remember, Jeremy
I like the idea that Michael Afton and his friends put the crying child in Freddy's mouth to try and prove they were harmless. I never thought about it that way
Food for thought: With the Bonnie model we get from the minigames, Bonnie is looking upwards in his "final moments", and with Monty not having his claws at the time of Bonnie getting gibbed, I am pretty sold on Bonnie being offed by Moon. Monty would NOT be the bass player if Bonnie was still functional, so Monty wouldn't have the "bass playing claws" installed, so Monty wouldn't have the hardware to rip open Bonnie. Freddy in Ruin also seems to have the same scratch marks as Bonnie on his chest, so pretty sure it is the same thing. Not to mention Moon being prominent in the Bonnie bowl game. Just some food for thought.
Either way, Monty would have claws. Maybe not as strong, but he would have claws. I mean, Freddy and Roxy both have claws, and Roxy uses them to cause damage despite not being the bass player. Freddy may need an upgrade to have the sharper bass player claws, but even beforehand, if you look at his model, he has claws, even if they’re not the more powerful bass player claws. Assuming claws were always part of Monty’s design, Monty still could destroy Bonnie.
@@DarkShadic9632ok but the emails in short say that monty was given claws so he could replace bonny, which would only be needed if he didn't already have claws
Its not like Monty would need claws to tear apart Bonnie anyhow if he did do it. Staff bots can inflict severe harm on an animatronic as seen in Security Breach, along with the fact that sufficient force can damage them as well, such as getting crushed by a trash compactor, being hit by a go kart or falling from a high area and hitting various things on the way down. When this is taken into account the animatronic don't seem to be all that durable so them being taken apart by another animatronic without any upgrades isn't farfetched.
@@derrickdaniels3955 yeah actually, that makes a lot of sense. we see glam freddy get sliced and diced by staff bots, so why not monty bake w/ me. vanny used staff bots to kill bonnie, and sent monty to bowling to cover it up
Here are a few thoughts I had while watching the video: 1)The Bonnie bully did help carry the crying child towards Fredbear along with Michael in 1983. Maybe he feels as responsible as Michael for being the one to help Michael cause the bite of 83 while the other two bullies were just laughing and watching. 2)It's not impossible for the Bonnie bully to be Jeremy Fitzgerald as based on Phone Guy's call in FNaF 1, he implies the bite of 87 victim did survive. 3)Maybe if Bonnie bully as Jeremy told Mike about his nights, Mike could have seen the opportunity to investigate as Fritz Smith since he would know Jeremy is going to the Dayshift.
Not implied,it’s straight up stated. “The bite of ‘87. It’s amazing the human body can live without the frontal lobe,you know?” That’s as explicit as you can get.
I think Bonnie Bro being Jeremy poses an interesting question: what if William only killed a child named Jeremy because the Bonnie Bro was also named Jeremy. Out of all of the bullies, only two had a part in picking up the BV: Michael and the Bonnie Bro. I could see William holding a grudge against Jeremy more than any of the other bullies (excluding Michael, because William got his revenge against him in a different way). For whatever reason, maybe William was unable to kill him, so instead he decided to kill a child with the same name and stuffed him in Bonnie to match Jeremy’s Bonnie mask as a form of sick retribution. As a result, Bonnie Bro/adult Jeremy might feel some sort of responsibility for the MCI Jeremy’s death and the MCI as a whole, which gives his character even more of a motivation.
This is even funnier with the (obviously not cannon) theory that bonnie bought back. Like William picked this younger kid with the same name cause he would be easier and still got his ass beat 😂
As soon as I heard “What makes you so special” in game for a second time, I immediately envisioned a RU-vid theory thumbnail with those words plastered across it. Thx for beating Matpat to the chase!
"What makes you so special" is an interesting line because if the player is in fact Bonnie Bro, then the animatronics don't know his connection with the dead of the crying child. This also open the possibility to two other "special" people, after all, Michael had more than one friend.
I was thinking if the games main character connects to all the animatronics but I don’t think it works. 1 could be the freddy mask guy or chica mask guy. 2 is bonnie bro 3 doesn’t fit here. 4 is the crying child SL is Mike (foxy mask) PS is the Emily’s UCN is Cassidy It doesn’t fit perfectly but it seems close. Maybe 3 is william, and the bite of 87 is one of the other friends. But it seems a little clunky and forced in.
I think carnie probably has the most accurate description of the protagonist becuase he's the least likely using pre-recorded lines. During the section of fnaf 2 fazerblast he screams about the fire, which would be an odd choice for a pre-recorded line.
I _really_ like this theory. It feels narratively satisfying. I hope this the direction Steel Wool is headed. ID's Fantasy suggested it could be the Jeremy that sliced his own face off in the Help Wanted tapes but either the Bite of 87 Jeremy or game tester Jeremy (assuming they're separate people) works for Candy Cadet's story where a girl encountered a witch, escaped with a scar, and came back for revenge as an adult only to be tricked and consumed. Either way he was injured and eventually destroyed by William Afton's legacy of evil. Though poor Michael if he lost ANOTHER loved one to his father's madness. Poor guy needs a break.
@@dead_necromancer bro got his face cut off with a paper slicer and has no access to remnant, he is DEAD, plain simple, his family wouldn't be the ones filling a lawsuit against fazbear entertainment if he was alive
@@grenouillesupreme there are multiple people named Jeremy in the series, confusing yes, possibly parallels of each other but the Jeremy that she's talking about is the bite of 87 one who didn't die, yk the fnaf 2 speech, I think, about being able to survive without a frontal lobe?
@@lc3670 yeah be at the cost of being terribly disabled, you can't just lose your frontal lobe and live a normal life and get a normal job as a faz technician that needs to be wearing a mask at all times
I think this is a fantastic take on what might have happened. It's hilarious how one of Game Theory's most controversial theory looped around to being one of the more widely excepted theory's out there.
I've looked at the two endings differently. The Mask Bot ending is probably the "Bad" but more than likely the canonical ending (since it directly ties into other events). The character falls into the traps and Glitchtrap succeeds. The character is turned into a bot and cannot escape. The Claw Game seems like a good ending. The character collected all the clues, beat all the games, and found what was being hidden. They turn over the mask that allows them to see the AR world and get the manifestation of Glitch Trap, the doll that was seen in HW1. Then they turn over that doll to Vanny and it turns into the true form of Glitch Trap, who she crushes. I don't see that as Vanny stopping the character from becoming an underling of Glitchtrap, I see it as Vanny ending his control and power. Glitchtrap was collected into a single entity in HW1 and corrupted Vanessa/Vanny. InSecurity Breach, he controlled the Pizzaplex and Vanny to certain degrees. Depending on the ending, Vanny was released, through Princess Quest, and left Glitch Trap behind. After time passed, she knew something had to be done. So she went back and took him down.
@@milesheizers Yes, with a twist that the bot ending was Jeremy's "Night Terrors," and the Princess Quest Ending is what actually happened; sealed in the game by Vanny.
I'm starting to think the repeated use of Princess Quest is very important, and that the purpose changes. My current working theory is that the first time it appears it infects the user and creates Vanny, the second time it appears (SB) we have a mutation added to the virus (perhaps Cassidy working her way in to help push out the Glitchtrap influence?), and then the third time we push out the influence of GT fully or destroy it. It would be truly heroic on The Player's part here!
Freddy not being able to see us has to be important. He must have been able to recognize us if he had seen us, or steelwool wouldn't have made him blind for that game.
also, the Bonnie-bot Ending seconds the theory. Cassie says: "Weird... it's not a Bonnie-mask." obviously, she felt remembered of her dad and his Bonnie fetish. that's why she expected a Bonnie-mask
One thing I’d like to bring up is some people think the character you play as is actually dead because of the line “look at your hands” because even when you take off the mask your hands are still in AR. So even if Jeremy did you know then we could still be Jeremy
Your hands are still in AR because you're one of those endos with the VR headset on, being trained to work at the pizzaplex. Even if you take off the VANNI mask, you're still wearing the headset. This also explains how glitchtrap seemingly appears in the "real world" in the maskbot ending.
@@AveryHyena the first part is a pretty good idea but with glitch-trap you only see him during the ar pizzeria you can tell because the curtains are new not old even the recharge station is new it’s not until after that you boot up inside of Bonnie bot (mask/map bot) Edit: going back and looking it’s definitely the run down pizzeria but you don’t see a shutdown animation like Freddy only the boot up screen so it’s impossible to tell
@@redwiltshire1816 "you only see him during the ar pizzeria" Nope. During the maskbot ending, your VANNI mask is forcefully taken off and you can see the ruined pizzaria around you. Play it again and look around. You will see that it is a fact you are in the ruined "real life" version. There's even the broken animatronic parts right in front of you on the stage. I'm going to say it again just in case - the VANNI mask is taken off in the ending. This is a fact.
Vanny: What do you mean, you've never seen "Inception"? Like, never? Vanny five minutes later, directing you to the broken pizzeria: Go ahead I promise the top will stop spinning
Another tiny point in favour of Cassie's Dad being Bonnie Bro: the sprite has tan skin, brown hair, a red shirt, and blue pants -- exactly how Cassie looks and dresses in Ruin 🤔
My personal theory is that Cassie's Dad was picked to be the replacement for Afton's human body. That's why the animatronics in this game say "What makes you so special?", they're wondering why Cassie's Dad gets the "honour" of replacing him/housing his spirit. That might also explain the ending where you see the charging pod with the human hand coming out of it, foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body (Meanwhile, Cassie's Dad's spirit gets housed in the body of the "Take a mask" bot). EDIT: People have pointed out that if you look in the game files that it's Glitchtrap's hand, It's just the super bright lighting in the scene that makes it look different. I still think the theory might work, with Glitchtrap/Afton still trying to take over Cassie's Dad's body
That makes no logical sense. The same thing that is infecting the animatronics is what is also choosing the body. So why wouldn't they know why he was apparently chosen? They're all the same entity. "foreshadowing Afton's return in a human body" That's not what foreshadowing means. Burntrap never happened and never will happen because Gregory freed Vanessa before it got to that stage. Also, it's not Afton. Never has been. It's the Mimic mimicking Afton.
That is just wrong. It's just under bright lighting, it's definitely Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap's hand shows up all over, why would there be a different hand.
This also explains why there’s other Bonnie-centric stuff in the game, such as Bonnie Bowling and you can even win Ruined Glamrock Bonnie as a prize. It also explains the complete lack of Montgomery Gator, Cassie’s Dad still can’t find it in himself to look at the robot reptile after what happened to Bonnie
That idea of Cassie's dad being the Bonnie bully actually makes so much sense. I also want to point out that when we see CC being lifted up to Fredbear, it's Mike and the Bonnie bully doing it specifically. The Chica and Foxy bullies are just standing back watching them so it makes sense that if one of them was gonna be brought back, it would be the Bonnie one who actually put him in Fredbear's mouth. Also going back to Matpat's video on the bite of 87 victim, it's possible that losing your frontal lobe causes you to be fearless so what if this is also what makes him special, the fact that he's not scared to go and investigate.
Slight error in the text. It was the Freddy bully along with the Chica bully who stood by. The Foxy bully is Michael. Speaking of which, I wonder what happened to those two or if they'll be important later.
@@mill2712 Not an error, re-read my original comment and I said it was Mike (Who I know is Foxy Bro) and the Bonnie Bully who did it. Also I wonder if they'll be important too, like I said the Bonnie Bully was the one helping Mike shove him in so it's no surprise he plays a bigger role as he was directly responsible
I love this theory so much! Bringing back an old unremarkable character, giving them a whole arc and making them the star of the show is genuinely so cool and the kid of thing fnaf has various ways to do and should be doing. I'll be so glad if this theory ends up being true
Combining your Theory and ID Fantasys theory on Jeremy Fritzgerald makes me happy that because of this, we may be able to say there are only 2 Jeremys in the series, MCI Jeremy and Jeremy Fitzgerald (Fnaf 2 security guard, 87 bite victim, Help Wanted 1 Game Tester). :D
Honestly, you and ID are on a similar path after watching both of your videos. I think us playing as a previous Jeremy tracks with one of Freddy's lines if you go back to his mini-game enough, "How many birthdays does little Jimmy have? Or are there more than one Jimmy?" (not exact wording) which stood out to me as a clue. So I wonder if HW2 is telling us that at least 2 of the Jeremys are one character, not a recurring name. You and IDs theories have me seriously considering that Cassie's Dad is possibly both Bonnie Bro and the original VR tester we learn about in HW.
You and NotReal really need to collab on FNAF fanfiction because you both have a knack for coming up with excellent backstories and alternate realities aka canon correctors. I absolutely love what you've come up with! Like 95% of the fandom, I fully believe that not only is HW2's protagonist is Cassie's dad but he's also the Bonnie Bully from The Bite of 83. On the off chance that William didn't kill the trio after dealing with Michael, they'd all have to live with the guilt and fallout of what they did to Evan. Even if they never faced legal consequences, they'd be known as murderers and treated as such. Cassie's dad could've found comfort in his love of all things Fazbear and deepened his attachment to Bonnie. After growing up and with The Bite of 83 now dismissed as an urban legend or just a bullying incident gone way too far, he'd be comfortable coming back to town and taking a gig at the Pizzaplex. He quickly became an upper tier technician so he'd be the go-to for when things go South. He'd see that things are going awry due to Glitchtrap/Vanny/Mimic's influence and he'd start investigating. The All Staff Meeting happened BUT (I got this detail and idea from Hyper Droid's video) he had just worked yet another 14 hour shift and he wanted to see Cassie before going to sleep, pink slip threat be damned. Realizing that they had missed him when they wiped out the staff, the 3 villains would come up with a Plan B to get him, leading to him being put into the simulator that's HW2 and why Cassie ends up being by herself for so long. He was lured and after removing his VANNI mask and beating PQ4, one or both traps were sprung. He either ended up imprisoned within a claw machine prize or the Mask Bot. Knowing how much FNAF loves tragedy, I'm saying that Cassie's dad has become one with the Mask Bot and he eventually handed Cassie the Mask that would lead to her death or her own imprisonment. As for him being Jeremy Fitzgerald, I think it's plausible. Enough time has passed for medical advancements to be made so he could thrive without a full frontal lobe and the settlement/hush money he'd have gotten from his Bite of 87 (a nice bit of Karma for the Bite of 83 he helped cause...) would've been more than enough for him to move away, go to school, and then become a master engineer. He'd also want to have a child and have that child enjoy Fazbear things like he did, especially after moving back for the Pizzaplex job, but safely. He'd make sure that what happened to all of the kids wouldn't happen to Cassie but...well, you know the rest. It makes me even more interested in what Steel Wool is going to do next with the games. They listen to fan feedback so if this idea gets spread around enough and keeps the positive attention, they may act accordingly or someone on the Dev team may have been testing the waters with the idea and struck gold. We'll see. Merry Christmas Eve Eve and have a great rest of your holidays. Stay Toasty. ❤️
This narrative scratches my brain in the best way, I know there are holes to be filled by writing a fan fiction basically but Ive spent a lot of time on AO3 so bring it 😂😂 In all seriousness, The bite of 87 and 83 both being in somewhat relation to Micheal works so well and I think if canon adds a lot more to Michaels motivation showing us that not just his brother dying but also one of if not his best friend getting a lobotomy at his hands in a way for both just gives Micheal all the more reason to fix his mistakes (Again it also does makes very good fanfic 😂😂)
Bonnie bro -> Jeremy -> Cassies dad -> MXES. Its all one person/soul. Theres some proof my theory is here. The "Remember Jeremy" notes are not asking us to remember someone named Jeremy. The notes are us, Jeremy, to remember something. Proof is the "Do you remember?" line. Obviously its FNAF, so its just one stretchy idea. You can interpret these lines and notes in a dozen ways. Edit: OOOOHHH!!! Toast has the same theory!! #validated lmao
Dude idc if this is all completely false, THIS right here is now canon in my head. Your videos are amazing and all your theory videos help me try to understand the lore of this franchise which makes me love it even more! Also I love your cats. #CatParents
More lines that was barely mentioned here by Mrs. Hippo regarding "your hands", she put more meaning to that phrase than everything else she covered. Making it all the more meaningful when he (as a robot now) takes a double glace at his hand before giving the mask away.
I think the theory is really really good and I believe in it as well. But I doubt that it's Jeremy, losing your frontal lobe leaves insane injuries that don't just lead to memory loss but a lot of physical and mental stuff too. Great theory, love your videos
Tbh I think it's really funny that Circus Baby/Elizabeth recognized one of Michael's friends (who she hasn't seen in decades) but she wasn't able to recognize her own brother like wow 😭
Freddy bro could be the bite of ‘87 victim since,you know,the gameplay of FNAF 2 is about wearing a Freddy mask. That’s a fun headcanon until we get something more concrete. Also,by the way,Jeremy Fitzgerald is likely phone guy since the messages in FNAF 2 are recorded in summer but the gameplay is in winter and he says the place will be closed and when it reopens he’ll be the new security guard. He’s not Fritz Smith because it says it’s his first day. The implication of the phone calls is whoever was the security guard before Jeremy was likely the bite of ‘87 victim as they’re probably the person these phone calls were recorded for
@@birdmcturd1626 why would Jeremy Fitzgerald be listening to calls recorded by Jeremy Fitzgerald on his first week of the job? Too many logical leaps being taken, Jeremy Fitzgerald is the bite victim and Freddy Mask Bully is currently irrelevant.
@@Lordoftheskies15 Here’s the thing,you’re right that I’m wrong but you’re wrong about why I’m not right. For one,you can literally mute the call in fnaf 2 so maybe he just didn’t listen to them. Or he listened to them to remember what he has to do. However,there is a book about phone guy coming out which has his name as Ralph.
the mystic hippo lines that are lore relevant just happen when you arent playing the game. when u interact with her its just the showcase. astralspiff went ham trying to get stuff to happen lol
I'm watching this a few minutes after ID's Fantasy's video, and I'm starting to like the theory it's Jeremy from Help Wanted 1, and this is the second part of the witch story playing out.
I wholeheartedly agree with this theory! As someone who was watching along as Rye played Live, he even read out my comment about the ambiguity of the "remember Jeremy" line, so it's super validating to see him include it in his theory!
I really hope that this theory is true, it would all make sense. and the way you told the story was so compelling and satisfying. I swear I was about to cry when the player (jeremy?) was handing Cassie the mask, opening the path to her demise with no say in the matter. Amazing video! 10/10!
I was thinking the same thing the other day, what if Jeremy Fitzgerald is Cassie's Dad! Also that made me think "What if he named her daughter Cassie because he remembered vaguely a child named Cassidy in his past?" (Ironically if Cassidy is really the Princess, like i believe, he was trying to help her without knowing it)
The backside of the fazwrench has the same code used to acess the Stage 01/Fredbear minigame in FNaF 3, i think this connects the protagonist to Fredbear and the Crying Child, since the FNaf 3 minigames are his memories.
I really love this theory, everything slots together so well! Also, i was thinking about the seeming contradiction where the order of the graves in PQ4 implies the MCI kids were killed before Charlotte, but Henry's line "a wound first inflicted on me" implies Charlotte was killed first. I think its because Charlotte is the first confirmed death. The MCI is the 'Missing' Childrens incident, their bodies weren't found. Their parents still had hope they'd see their kids again. Charlotte's body was left outside, she was definitely dead. Henry was the first to experience that true loss and grief, thats the 'wound' he is talking about.
I think it's obvious that the games with mask are employee training and the maskless tasks really happen bc the employee is ready to work there. And that employee is Cassie's father who is Bonnie bro from FNAF4. That's why Elizabeth recognizes him and there is a lot of bunny references. He is probably also Jeremy.
Congratulations on 200k!! You're probably my favorite theorist on RU-vidr! I'm inclined to believe alot of things that you talk about in whatever theories you may do. They just make sense in the over-arching story that is FNAF.
Keep in mind that Elizabeth doesn't recognise Michael in SL, so Cassie's dad being a firend of michael doesn't check out as evidence. What DOES make sense however is that he could have potentially been a faz technician for a short while at the SL facility, not one of the two engineers that died, but perhaps he worked there for a short time, which would explain why the SL minigames are there in the first place.
The whole wet floor bots in ruin are tied into his mind still being in the system, maybe. However, if Jeremy is a reference to Help Wanted 1, then there's a whole other meaning. That Jeremy cut his own face off. Now, that can be interpreted in a few ways, but I've seen a lot of the idea that he did it to get the VR off and escape Glitchtrap. It could mean that this second ending is doing something terrible to yourself (trapping yourself in the game as opposed to being able to interact through Maskbot) in order to get rid of or otherwise avoid Glitchtrap. That would mean that the secret ending is about getting rid of Glitchtrap. If you are giving the mask away at the end, there's something to be said about the parallels of giving up the mask and cutting off your face. It could follow that the second ending puts him in the wetfloor bots and whatever is up with Bonnie versus him living through the Maskbot instead, but that's pure speculation. It could also tie him to Mxes being a good rabbit in the machine who is trying to oppose the Mimic/Glitchtrap.
We know people were still working at the sister location during that game, given that two of them died. Perhaps our character worked with them at the time Also, the idea that the second game's protagonist NOT being a false name is awesome The amount of things this theory brings together is truly incredible
This is a great theory!!!! If this isn’t canon, it should be! You explained this so well and the story is very cool and makes a lot of sense! I love the idea of connecting Jeremy of FNAF 2 (and Jeremy in general since it’s a very important but unexplained name in the lord), the bite of ‘87, and the Bonny bro. I wasn’t too sure how I felt about Bonny Bro being Cassie’s dad but I love how you explain this
26:25 sorry, Rye, but I HAVE to stop you here: Cassie wasn't a Bonnie-bro. She was a Roxy-sister. and if we remember the cut-outs from RUIN, her father constantly left Cassie alone in the Pizzaplex (that's why we see her bitterly crying).
Counter argument: First off, yeah I didn't mean obsessed with Bonnie, just Fazbear. Roxy included. But to the other point, wouldn't it be more likely that those crying cutouts are after her father disappeared? Since in the item descriptions she seems to like him perfectly fine
@@RyeToast counter-counter-argument. 😉 Cassie is definitively obsessed with Roxy, as the cut-outs in RUIN prove. heck, she's even dolled up like Roxy. and Roxy alone remembers her birthday and explicitly states: "I'm sure your friends will show up next time." which implicates that Cassie was alone in the Pizzaplex. there's even a hand-written note from her dad, stating he was sorry to leave her alone and she shall take food from the fridge.
Nope, you're both wrong. Cassie is crying in the cutouts in ruin because that was when she had her birthday and no one showed up. Gregory found her and comforted her which is how they became friends. We also know Roxy was there because when she's crying, she still has the makeup on from her makeover. Roxy also tells us to our face when she's being crushed that she was present for Cassie's birthday.
@@remingtonfiore9721 Wrong. The cutouts show her crying, and then Gregory appears to comfort her and give her a tissue. THEN AFTER that, the missing posters appear. Gregory is there when she's crying, so how can you say she's crying because Gregory has gone missing?
Could Cassie's dad be the phone dude? They are both conected by being collectors, having a history with Freddy's and directly with Mike A., since phone dude talked to Mike like if they already know each other, other than the fact that the code from one of the follow me minigames is in the back of the of the fazwrench, and by the way, he could ultimately become the m.x.e.s program if he's consign was kept in the vr world after he's supposed death and or digital possessions
Maybe, but Phone Dude sounds in his early twenties, and Michael's like fifty/sixty years-old, since he was a teenager in the 1980s He would be too young
Thought you guys were talking about Phone Guy for a second and was gonna be like “he’s..he’s dead,guys” but I realise what you mean now. Honestly,not a terrible idea
This is a solid story, for sure. Personally though, I think it's saying that the crying child is named Jeremy. That's what the animatronics are asking if he remembers and why the achievement says Remember Jeremy. The paycheck was a fake name given in memory of Michael's brother.
@@Katosepe Yes but I don’t think he is. The FNAF 2 phone calls (this is the cliff notes version) being recorded in summer when the gameplay is in winter tells us the events aren’t happening in real time. They’re recorded for the person before us,not us. At the end of those phone calls we’re told the place is going to be shut down for a bit and when it reopens phone guy will be the new nighttime security guard. Jeremy Fitzgerald is phone guy’s name.
@@birdmcturd1626 Makes sense. Wouldn't it be great if Scott/Steel Wool discovered there were more than like 10 names total in the world?? Would make things so much easier for us!
I think the most obvious connection to make here is that "what makes you so special" is being asked because we're the only human employee left. Reading the question like that changes how we try to answer it -- the first question is "why has Fazbear kept us here?" followed by "why would we stay?" It seems like we, personally, are important to either Vanny/Glitchtrap or Fazbear Entertainment, which is an interesting jumping off point for figuring out who we are. The fact that we stay there despite the conditions gives a hint, as well.
I’ve enjoyed your videos a lot especially your theories. You provide some of the best in my opinion with very good evidence. Please keep it up and I hope you have a lot of future success aside from just FNAF
This actually makes sense, one thing also notice is the choice of Fnaf 2 in Fazer Blast. They could've chosen any other fnaf game for it but they chose fnaf 2 specifically which indicate the connection between who we're playing as and fnaf 2 protag.
One thing that I would really like to be explored more is the second MCI. We've gotten so much info about the 6 original victims (plus the crying child and elizabeth) but willaims later victims remain overlooked.
What made me sure that we play as an adult is Baby's Ice cream, we dont get clawed, heavily Implying we're not a child since shes designed to automatically capture a child when theyre alone. Also connexts the fact that her most known victim is a daughter so it helps tie to MC being a dad Stay Frosty😊
I really liked this theory a lot! It would make a lot of sense imo that they want to connect some characters to some older games. It would make a great narrative. I also really enjoyed Help Wanted 2! Help Wanted was already great, but they really made an even better game!
Some things to think about: MCI happened in 1985 and FNAF 4 most likely in 1983, so MCI couldn't happen before FNAF 4 If Michael and his friends are about 14 at a minimum in FNAF 4 (1983), they would be 54 during FNAF 3 (2023) and even older during Security Breach. Meaning a 54 year old would have a very young daughter Bonnie bro being Jeremy Fitzgerald would have been a much better if FNAF 2 had a Bonnie mask instead of a Freddy mask
I’ll never understand why people try to put Crying Child’s death first since his story’s about him and Mike, not William. But I’m also not sure why people keep bringing up the bullies’ ages. Men don’t have a time limit on that kinda stuff like women do. My own stepdad’s well into his 60s now and his two bio-kids are 20 and 21, and he’s lived a totally normal animatronic-trauma-free life.
I have a feeling that the player has a deep connection with the franchise and is looking for something, awnsers its likely its cassys dad but if its not it has to be someone whos connected to the past of fnaf especially w the baby lines..
There is no lore for mystic hippo, it’s just to promote the eye tracking feature in the psvr2, it said so for the mystic hippo post and I have the psvr2 and did it for over an hour. She says those lines in both version randomly
oh... damn... this makes so much sense, i love this theory! it feels like it's connecting a lot of loose ends, and even the new ones we got! i mean, it basically explains everything about HW2, about early FNAF2/FNAF1 era AND i believe that this Jeremy (Cassie's dad, being the one from FNAF2) can EVEN be the one from HW1 - like ID's theory, regarding Candy Cadet, where she said that the "woman that almost got caught from a witch but managed to run - though she came back", the "almost got caught" part could be referring how Jeremy almost got caught by Glitchtrap in HW1, that's when he took his face of with the guillotine! then he came back, now in late Pizzaplex/HW2 era to get revenge? though he might end up dying (MaskBot ending from HW2) It feels like everything's coming together, and I love this so much. Also, now I wonder... will the other 2 kids from FNAF 4 minigames (the ones wearing Freddy and Chica masks) come back? I mean, there would almost be no reason, but I believe that it would be a cool excuse for Steel Wool to keep producing FNAF. Like they did with the Bonnie masked kid, where they made 2 "games" (Ruin + HW2) regarding this character's backstory (and also noting that Mike/Foxy masked kid already had his "part" on the story)... they could do the same to the other 2! Cool random idea: Maybe the goal for all of this would be for the 4 of them somehow reunite together, in the very future, and try to save the crying child somehow? This ofc noting that the CC could be saved somehow, maybe they could become a group to end the FNAF story once and for all x) sry my mind went way ahead now ahahaha
If he is Jeremy and he is the vite of 87 vitctim then it could explain how in the first VR game, the technician named Jeremy was able to slice hos face off, his face was mainly made of prosthetics after the bite.
This is a super fun and compelling theory, with all the evidence you've brought up its hard not to look at your narrative as being pretty sound and a good possibility. Great video Rye!
Close, but no cigar. As you already know, it's obvious by the main ending and the constant "what makes you so special?" that we are the Staffbot that is turned into Maskbot. But questions remain, like what were we actually doing during the game? What was the purpose of the minigames? And how did Glitchtrap appear in the "real" world in the main ending? (You take the VANNI mask off when he appears). Endo Warehouse is the answer. That endo wearing the VR headset is basically what we look like. DreadUnit also makes it clear that these endos are also used in Staffbots, not just the main cast of animatronics. We are completing the minigames because they are for teaching our AI how to work as a functioning Staffbot in the Pizzaplex. How to serve customers, help backstage, do maintenence etc. It's all there. Unfortunately, the system has been infected with the Mimic1 virus (Glitchtrap). This also explains why glitchtrap is appearing to us and how he can appear in the "real" world in the main ending - it's because it isn't the real world, we're still inside the VR headset. This is where we get fully infected with Mimic1 and turned into Maskbot so we can free the Mimic. Vanny crushing Glitchtrap is not Vanessa becoming free of its control. That already happened in the past, in security breach. It is also not Vanny "eliminating another glitchtrap apprentice", that makes absolutely no sense. The mimic just wants to be broken out, that's what the mimic virus - glitchtrap - is working towards, why would it self sabotage? What this scene is meant to represent is Vanessa coming back, going into the VANNI network to purge the virus from the system. Just as the candy cadet story says, she comes back for revenge after growing older and wiser. This is also why the achievement for this ending says "System threats found. Repair complete." The threat was glitchtrap. This also logically means that this ending takes place sometime AFTER the main ending of giving the mask to Cassie, since obviously, if the Vanny ending came first, we couldn't have been reprogrammed by the virus to give the mask to Cassie in the first place since the virus was already destroyed. Vanny graffiti appears around the hub with hints to collect the memory plushies because this represents Vanessa accessing the network, trying to use us to help destroy glitchtrap.
This is a really good theory. I def think that Cassie's dad fits as the player, especially if the ending where the player becomes part of the system is the canon ending. However one thing I'm curious about is what Carnie is supposed to be. He has the same voice as Monty. It makes me wonder if he's some kind of replacement? Or a character made after Monty, to fill the gap he left.
The only thing that I don't agree with is the missing children incident happening before the bite of 83 since it's pretty obvious it took place in 1985. I don't think the order of the graves means anything, or maybe Charlie is the last one there because she's unrelated to the missing children incident, after all the code you need to put to get her plushie is 1983, the year we always thought she died in The missing children dying before Charlie would also contradict the Give Gifts minigame and Henry saying "a wound first inflicted on me"
I think the Cassie Ending gives the answer: Cassie's dad was murdered by the Nightmarionne-Bots because he unknowingly got in Glitchtrap's way with his work. On Glitchtrap's behest, the soul of Cassie's dad was stuffed into the Bonnie-bot.
I hate this. I don't like them hyping up a character for "being speical" and then just killing them off anyway. He seems really important and it would seriously suck for him to just not be a thing going forward.
@@mrplayfulshade1038 This is a series where every single plot relevant character except Henry is killed off, stuffed in a robot, and goes on to possess said robot (or in Michael’s case, possessing himself), Cassie’s dad being stuffed in the suit doesn’t mean he’s out of the plot lol
I think how circus baby reconizes us is if cassies dad is the bonnie masked bully from fnaf 4, if we are that bully we would know michael since they would most likely be friends, and therfore he would have most likely met/seen Elizebeth and therfore circus baby reconizes you.
Cassie's dad was x-ed by the Nightmarionne-Bots, because he got into Glitchtrap's way with his work. after that, his soul was transferred into the Bonnie-bot.
I love the Cassie's dad theory with the Bonnie mask on princess Quest and more the only thing that is wierd is that if he was Bonny bro that mean he is like like 70 years old
I mean he being Bonnie bro makes sense, especially with Mystic Hippo’s line about ‘looking at his hands, like really looking at them.’ After all, he and Mike were the two who put the Crying Child up there while the other bullies watched. His pair of hands were one of the two that lead to the Crying Child’s end.
5:40 no universe that mystic hippo actually does anything 😭 AstralSpiff tried everything for like an hour on it, the voice lines are important but im pretty sure the minigame isnt
So the Sun phrase can just be a programmed for his work, but this argument can also work for Carnie. It can be just programmed to provoke parents in the carnival to make them play the game and probably lose money trying to get a plushie.
"It needs you" could maybe be talking about Moon? the Daycare Attendant is referred to as "It" in both Security Breach and Help Wanted 2 But it could also be Glitchtrap. Idk lol
Although I like the idea of FNAF 2 Jeremy being HW Jeremy, who is also possibly Cassie's father and Bonnie Bro, and that he's the protagonist of HW2, there's one problem: FNAF 2 Jeremy lost his frontal lobe. When a human loses or damages their frontal lobe, they will lost control of one side of their body, have poor organizational skills, and have poor problem-solving skills; all things that technicians need to do their job. I do believe that Bonnie Bro is Cassie's dad and also HW Jeremy, but I don't think he was FNAF 2 because he would probably still be in a hospital bed or dead by the time Help Wanted came out. If you are thinking "But didn't HW Jeremy die", he didn't (Probably). Why do I say this? I think the Witch story is about HW Jeremy escaping Glitchtrap's control and trying to kill Glitchtrap in HW2 but ended up getting controlled by Glitchtrap again. Also, we don't really hear if Jeremy is dead or not, we just hear about him having some sort of mask on the floor covered in a liquidity substance. The mask could've been a V.A.N.N.I mask and the substance could've been oil from the mask getting taken off by Jeremy using that paper cutter thing (Sorry, I forgot what it was called). He probably got injured mentally (Glitchtrap trying to control him) and physically (The paper cutter thing, well, cutting him), which probably made him work at the PizzaPlex to get revenge of Glitchtrap. And, as the story says, "The Witch could finally eat her meal". Thank you for reading my TedTalk.
Maybe, only a hypothesis here, Cassidy (the vengeful spirit) was Jeremy's sister, and he named his daughter after her. It must have been a traumatic experience for him when she died and he needed to find out if William Afton was responsible, since there are rumors going around. That's why he applied for the job. Unfortunately, the frontal lobe accident erased some of his crucial memories. However, there's still this itch in his brain about Freddie’s. He thought well probably because I love the Franchise so much! No knowing subconsciously he was trying to collect memories all this time. And the reason why he's important and special to Glitch Trap and Old-Man Consequences is because he can subdue the vengeful spirit. Idk could be worth commenting this...
There’s technically more evidence that Crying Child is the grey speaker in the survival logbook and therefore called Cassidy than the vengeful spirit. Although,that bolsters this theory much more. Naming his daughter after the kid he killed as a constant reminder of both what he did and that he needs to keep Cassie safe
I feel like everything except the Montgomery part feels plausible. For Montgomery, he got his claws afterwards, and therefore is very likely not the one responsible, but he still replaces Bonnie, which would likely still upset “Jeremy”. Whether it’s only him not liking him for replacing Bonnie, or blaming him, can be argued, though.
Great video. Solid analysis of everything we know- even stuff i had no idea on like Mystic Hippo's lines and pointing out the on record signature. Loved it!
