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Who is the Karmapa?
Karmapa means the embodiment of all the activities of the buddhas, or the one who carries out buddha-activity. In the Tibetan tradition, great enlightened teachers are said to be able to consciously control their rebirth in order to continue their activity for the benefit of all sentient beings. On this page we will give you an overview of the Karmapa lineage, and a brief introduction to the life and many activities of the present Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
The first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, was born in 1110. He was the first of the great Tibetan masters to establish an incarnating lineage. Since his death in 1193, successive Karmapas have incarnated in this form of manifestation body (Skt. nirmanakaya), for sixteen lifetimes so far, and all have played a most important role in preserving and promulgating the Buddhist teachings of Tibet.
Prior to the birth of the first Karmapa, the arrival of a Buddhist master, who would be known as the Karmapa, had been prophesied by the historical Buddha Shakyamuni and the great tantric master of India, Guru Padmasambhava.
Throughout the centuries, Karmapas have been the central figure in the continuation of the vajrayana lineage in general and the Kagyu lineage in particular, and have played a very important role in the preservation of the study and practice lineages of Buddhism.

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@dhimipipon
@dhimipipon Год назад
There is no doubt that Orgen thrinlay Dorjee is the Karmapa declared and recognised by HH the Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Tibet and also by all eminent lamas.
@jackytang3683
@jackytang3683 Год назад
And also got official recognize from Beijing central government
@karmayoudon9474
@karmayoudon9474 Год назад
True . We believe Ogyen Thinley dorjee because he was recognised by HH 14th Dalai Lama .
@traceler
@traceler Год назад
Recognised by Shamar Rinpoche who is the one with that responsability.
@tibetsonofindia4851
@tibetsonofindia4851 Год назад
@@traceler 😅🤣😂😆 r u joking me who is shemar rinpochey my ligpa😆😆
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big position has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤❤
@phuptsheringlepcha8021
@phuptsheringlepcha8021 9 месяцев назад
For me the two are karmapa.. Because their teaching is about wisdom... Because it's important that what kind of teaching they r giving us who is it's doesn't matter... The way of buddha teaching is important ❤..
@pythonia5522
@pythonia5522 4 месяца назад
my man , gets it,, well done,,, that is 100% correct yes.
@thienhuonghoang5135
@thienhuonghoang5135 Год назад
His Holiness The 16th Karmapa’s hat has a dark blue color. Long live His Holiness the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Thrinley Dorje.
@NgawangLobsang-nm4fx
@NgawangLobsang-nm4fx Год назад
We tibetan are ok with both as both Carrie's dharma.
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
@khenrabpalmo6324
@khenrabpalmo6324 Год назад
Long life HH Gyelwang Karmapa Ugyen Thinley Dorjee
@penpa888
@penpa888 Год назад
Long Live H.H.17th The Gyalwang Karmapa Urgen Thinley Dorjee Rinpo Chey…🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
@passangtshering7121
@passangtshering7121 Год назад
I really missed his holiness samar Rinpochela, I iam one of the greatest devote of his holiness..I miss his holiness smile and there was so much of positivity in his holiness ❤❤❤❤😢
@elenafilippou1821
@elenafilippou1821 10 месяцев назад
me too, he was a great bodhisattva! btw -i hope you've seen the joint statement! Shamar's 15th incarnation will be recognized soon and our lineage will heal!
@doll_choden99
@doll_choden99 Год назад
I believe in both karmpas 🙏✨ lets say mind & speech. It doesn't matter who is real or not as long as they're carrying dharma activities in order to benefit all beings. 🙏✨
@NgawangLobsang-nm4fx
@NgawangLobsang-nm4fx Год назад
I AM TIBETAN .N I AGREE WITH YOU.
@sonamthambo2593
@sonamthambo2593 Год назад
Sure
@jebroe860
@jebroe860 Год назад
The 16th Karmapa is my root Guru. I have always said that the true Karmapa candidate will be determined by their Buddha activities. OTD whose, non dharmic behaviors has spoken like a loud all pervasive, lions roar. You can be trained and pretend to be the 17th Karmapa, even look like a one, but if you behave like a spoiled millionaire,, money drunk, " king" who breaks every samaya vow, that is certainly not the 17th Karmapa. Karmapa would not have to 7 million plus $ and that's just we kniw
@ommanipadmehung4666
@ommanipadmehung4666 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CA6QFN8Lzz0.html
@dianehghzn7670
@dianehghzn7670 Год назад
Thats interesting the money aspect if sharing then thats a good thing isnt it its only if its stacked and not spent on the things that is needed in His community or who ever can benefit from His generous nature ❤😂who knows what the purposes are a small mind is stuck believe me Iam talking from experience so lets all jump outside the box hey ?. ? And widen our perspective HURAY !,! OMMANIPADMEHUM x3 ❤️❤️❤️🌈🌈🌈☔️☔️☔️🙏🙏🙏🌹☸️☮️💟🛐🇳🇿🇮🇩🇺🇦🥰🙏🙏🙏
@mustbeunity5959
@mustbeunity5959 9 месяцев назад
I follow both H. H. Gyalwa Karmapa 💐🙏🏿🌸🙏🌺🙏🏻🌹🙏🎁🙏🏻💐🙏🏽🌸🙏🏻🎁🙏💐🙏🏽💐
@dkjohn8669
@dkjohn8669 Год назад
Of course, no doubt. His Holiness The Gyalwang Ogyen Thinley Dorjee. ❤
@traceler
@traceler Год назад
It is Shamar Rinpoche responsability to identify reincarnation.
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different ❤❤❤❤
@ommanipadmehung4666
@ommanipadmehung4666 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CA6QFN8Lzz0.html
@jebroe860
@jebroe860 Год назад
you think there is a come back from rape. fathering a child from rape and made KTD pay over 10 million $. There s no coming back for OTD. Ges on the for sex abuse and was on the lam from India for tax evasion. He's a fake..
@wesherchedupbhutia17
@wesherchedupbhutia17 Год назад
@@traceler have you watched H.H ogyen thinley dorjee’s documentary.? There Dalai Lama has clearly said that he saw a dream about where Karmapa was born and that happens to be the place where Tibetan karmapa, oygen thinley dorjee was born , and situ rinpoche who was very closed to 16th Karmapa identified the reincarnation but ofc I believe in both. Long live the karmapas
@noodlewhitley
@noodlewhitley 10 месяцев назад
The Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto yourself." That means we each must find our own way by our own practice. Whether someone else is a tulku or not should not change our practice. May all beings find happiness and liberation.
@kaiheine9086
@kaiheine9086 Год назад
Beside my personal appreciation of his Holiness the 14. Dalai Lama from a distance it seemes obvious, that since the 1960s the tibetan government had the plan to unify the 4 main sects of tibetan Buddhism under Gelug leadership, which culminated in the death of Gungthang Tsultrim and didnt succeed mainly because of the resistance of the 16. Karmapa. I think a prerequisite for this plan was the banning of the sectarian wordly spirit dorje shugden. The paranirvana of the 16. Karmapa brought a second chance for expanding the dominance of the gelug sect by recognising and binding Orgyen Trinley Dorje, which also in the end didnt work well. Orgyen Trinley Dorje, who might be an Tulku, is clearly brought in the wrong position by the means of tibetan politics. The rivalry of the Gelug and Karma Kagyü sect has a long tradition, already after the paranirvana of the 15 th Karmapa, the 13 th Dalai Lama propagated a wrong candidate for the rebirth of the 16. Karmapa.
@gyeltshenwangdi5392
@gyeltshenwangdi5392 5 месяцев назад
Long live Karmapa Thinley Thaye Dorji
@phuntsokbhutia60
@phuntsokbhutia60 Год назад
Ugen Thinlay Dorjee is the real KARMAPA who is recognized by His Holiness The 14th DALAI LAMA 🙏 ❤
@mrgops3562
@mrgops3562 Год назад
True
@norkitlepcha7667
@norkitlepcha7667 Год назад
True ugen thinley dorjee is the real 17 th kàrmapa🙏🏻🌹🙏🏻
@norkitlepcha7667
@norkitlepcha7667 Год назад
Thanks you so much good information lord Buddha🙏🏻
@DipeshLama-n9r
@DipeshLama-n9r Год назад
Then why community and disciples doesn't follow the HH trulsikh Rinpoche yangsi who was recognize by hh the dalai lama and they follow another HH trulsikh Rinpoche who was recognize by hh drodrupchen Rinpoche... Stop this kind controversy about karmapa...both are genuine karmapa we have to follow both karmapa...
@chogyalsherpa8145
@chogyalsherpa8145 Год назад
Really? How do you clarify that unknown things.
@cringdenzongpa672
@cringdenzongpa672 Год назад
17 Karmapa Urgen thinley dorjee long live 🙏🙏🙏
@GeorgeKarayannis
@GeorgeKarayannis 5 месяцев назад
if one meets Thaye Trinley Dorje, one has no doubts any more who the Karmapa is. It is that simple. Karmapa chenno
@karmasonam1879
@karmasonam1879 Год назад
Long live His Holiness the 17th karmapa Thinley theye dorjee
@ommanipadmehung4666
@ommanipadmehung4666 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CA6QFN8Lzz0.html
@duanpienaar9755
@duanpienaar9755 Год назад
This is definitely a dual incarnation, Karmapa reincarnated in 2 bodies , this is understandable because of Tibetan and chinese politics , i have had the good fortune to meet with Orgyen Thrinley Dorjee twice, was a good experience. 🙏
@anshul0961
@anshul0961 6 месяцев назад
Soul can't divide
@mjohnson5030
@mjohnson5030 2 месяца назад
There is no soul involved here. 🤔 This comment reflects a lack of understanding of reincarnation in the Karma Kagyud ​tradition. @@anshul0961, Buddha's are not bound by linear passage of time as perceived by our skandas. If you believe in KK, you believe in dual incarnations. Many precedents for them in KK.
@sannsher6386
@sannsher6386 Год назад
Everyone has their own devotion, don't conclude here saying who is real and who is fake... Go through Shamar Rinpoche's interview once. Karmapa's controversy is far more deep which we humen have not that abilities to understand. Karmapa khenno, may the Karmapa lineage live forever🙏🙏🙏
@lobsangsherap2559
@lobsangsherap2559 Год назад
I mean if both of them could guide beings than that is good for us ; and if one of them can prove to be effective then it is good too. But the problem is they fail to lead beings to better place . Now the title karmapa comes with lots of history and responsibility; and I hope they both can upheld that legacy . As a Tibetan, I will always go by the recognition of HH the Dalai Lama and that does not mean other one should be denigrated. I pray both succeed the legacy .
@wesherchedupbhutia17
@wesherchedupbhutia17 Год назад
I think you’re right after all , there must be a reason for 2 karmapa
@kelsangchoedon7128
@kelsangchoedon7128 Год назад
Long live H.H the Ugyen Trinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏Karmapa Khenno 🙏🙏🙏
@johnpow2378
@johnpow2378 Год назад
Whoever the Karmapa is, we should not judge or compare. We must not identify us self with anyone of them. Our nature is to love and spread more love. Even in Buddhism there are fight, ego, anger, ignorance and all the negative emotions. These negative (claiming power and authority) things should not happen if we are practicing Buddhism
@i_love_tibet7001
@i_love_tibet7001 Год назад
Never seen the video on this topic before......nicely done..... only few things need to be corrected. The oldest schools / lineages are Nyingma, Sakya, Kagyu and Gelug. Tai Situpa Rinpoche is 70 years old. People should also watch about Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche's previous life will get to know more about Karmapa Orgyen Thrinle Dorje. He knows everything even in his very young age in Tibet. He helped in the search of Jamgon Kongtrul reincarnation lama. I've heard the 16th Karmapa flying hat story but never heard of rainbow body......Indeed, He is very powerful. 🙏 Please bring more videos related to the 16th Karmapa. Karmapa Chenno 🙏🙏🙏🌷🌷🌷☸️🕉️
@sonamwangyal5218
@sonamwangyal5218 Год назад
Thaye,Dorje, is a good father, and a good husband, but- -, -
@tenzinglhadon-mu8vn
@tenzinglhadon-mu8vn Год назад
we believe Gyalwang Karmapa is Ogyen Trinlay Dorje
@ritherdolma1318
@ritherdolma1318 Год назад
Tashi delek thanks 🙏 story very important I am very longtime thing story and words good tibetan story right ✅ 100 percent right 🙏💟I love indian support
@gohdolly5149
@gohdolly5149 Год назад
Namo Buddhay. There's was a movie...A Rinpoche was incarcerated into 3 persons... Hence, Karmapa Khenno maybe reincarnated into 2 persons. Both are doing great in Buddha's teachings. Compassion, kindness, helpful loving....etc.. I respect Both Karmapa Khenno.🙏🙏🙏
@noostnzn_6668
@noostnzn_6668 Год назад
Well said me also🙌🏻
@joeblack363
@joeblack363 Год назад
Because it happened in a movie it happened in real life?
@gohdolly5149
@gohdolly5149 Год назад
@@joeblack363 who knows. Many Buddhas n Bodhisattvas reform into many forms too🙏🙏🙏
@StanzinJigmet-e8m
@StanzinJigmet-e8m Год назад
You cannot judge the book by it's cover...but I respect your faith in both.🙏🙏
@mustbeunity5959
@mustbeunity5959 9 месяцев назад
Long live His Holiness Gyalwa Kamapa Ogyen Thinlay Dorjey Rinpoche and His Holiness Gyalwa Karmapa Thinle Thayes Dorje Rinpoche for every Buddhist and specially for precious Kagyu lineages.
@freemind3594
@freemind3594 Год назад
You have obviously a tendency in your Posting. Sad. Karmapa is NOT about "power" His activity is about WISDOM and COMPASSION.
@tenzintsephel713
@tenzintsephel713 Год назад
Ya but he got the point bcz there can't be fake guru or lama
@abhisektamang454
@abhisektamang454 Год назад
exactly
@jimilama-vd2bh
@jimilama-vd2bh Год назад
​@@tenzintsephel713❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤3
@nimasherpa4126
@nimasherpa4126 Год назад
His Holiness the 17th karmapa ugen thinley dorje right 🙏🙏🙏🌺
@isvara5325
@isvara5325 2 месяца назад
If you read 10th Karmapa's biography, he met multiple Karmapa's, his own rebecoming (reincarnation is the wrong word), and few of them recognize each other. Therefore both of them are Karmapas. Be informed about Buddhist concept of Nirmanakaya, before you making controversial videos.
@nimdomatamang3131
@nimdomatamang3131 10 месяцев назад
Very powerful ungainly dorjee🙏🏼
@annamajerechova6608
@annamajerechova6608 9 месяцев назад
Why not better go meditate and do your practice instead of discussions. Karmapa lineage and the Kagyu school is too precious for that.
@rosangbantawarai2630
@rosangbantawarai2630 Год назад
Ugen Thinlay always mention Rumtek ... We Sikkimise believe that he is the one who is real Karmapa .... Even crown is in Rumtek.. The pine plant which is planted in Rumtek by H.H Karmapa was still alive it was planted in Cemented floor...
@Hawkeye948
@Hawkeye948 Год назад
Every one should follow that Karmapa he trusts most. In my case this is Karmapa Thaye Dordje. If someone trusts Orgyen Thrinlay more he should follow him. But I think Thaye Dordje is more convincing. He gave back his monk vovs and married. Orgyen thrinlay had a sexulal relationship with a nun and is going on like business as usual. That is no good exampel in a word where sexual relationsships should base on trust an emazipation.
@BFM007-UgyenCena
@BFM007-UgyenCena 6 месяцев назад
H.H Gyelwang Karmapa Kheno@🙏🙏🙏 I believe in both "KU SUNG THUG"
@luckylongshotz
@luckylongshotz Год назад
Traleg Rinpoche points out that the test of a spiritual practice is whether it is beneficial, not which religion it is associated with. Applying this to the Karmapa issue means that as long as both are benefitting human beings the issue of which is the true one is less important- that said Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the true Karmapa and this becomes obvious if you meet him.
@olympic-gradelurker
@olympic-gradelurker Год назад
I'm sure his assault victims would disagree.
@ChristopherFynn001
@ChristopherFynn001 Год назад
@luckylongshotz Have you personally met both?
@tashimaeda1807
@tashimaeda1807 Год назад
There is only one Karmapa and that is Ujyen Thinley Dorjee who was recognized by HH Dalai Lama, Tai Situ Rinpoche and all the High Lama’s of Tibetan Buddhism . Other boy was only recognized by one man shamar and his few followers and few foreigners who really don’t understand the true importance of your master. In Tibetan Buddhism there’s four major schoolsNyingma Gelugpa Kagyu and Sakyapa all the high Lamas from these schools only accept HH Urgyen Thinley Dorjee, even after all these explanations if you have any doubts then may god help you …Love & Peace 🙏🌷🌷🌷🙏
@tashisgyal8789
@tashisgyal8789 Год назад
but if we examine their activities thaye dorjay's activities looks a great buddhisatvas activity.
@sureshlama9029
@sureshlama9029 Год назад
who are you actully to deside who is real HH karmapa. Who are you ????
@jackytang3683
@jackytang3683 Год назад
And also the importance of recognize by central government Beijing
@sureshlama9029
@sureshlama9029 Год назад
@@jackytang3683 we normol people cant jugde who is real HH respect both is good thing
@sureshlama9029
@sureshlama9029 Год назад
tashi maeda where are from?
@myberney
@myberney 3 месяца назад
which one looks like K16? That should clear your politics
@liljmpdorj599
@liljmpdorj599 Год назад
Ogyen Trinley Dorje chenno🙏🙏🙏🌼🍎🍎💐💐💐
@kukubhutia225
@kukubhutia225 Год назад
Kap chu chee gyalwa karmapa kheno. 🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🙏🙏🙏
@751Anth
@751Anth Год назад
Since when does the Dalai Lama determine who is a Karmapa?! There are two Karmapas. One is for the Chinese and those who trust them. The other is for the others.
@birdofprey108
@birdofprey108 2 месяца назад
Very well said.
@tseringdchoephel4453
@tseringdchoephel4453 Год назад
17th Karmapa is Ugen Tenley Dorjee. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
@TJBEATS97
@TJBEATS97 5 месяцев назад
Did you make the video about karmapa’s rainbow body photo?
@karmathinlay6881
@karmathinlay6881 Год назад
Why didn't you mention that prediction letter was proved forgered, fake.. The hand writing on the letter was matching with situ Rinpoche...
@tashitshering703
@tashitshering703 7 месяцев назад
Evidence please.
@karmathinlay6881
@karmathinlay6881 7 месяцев назад
@@tashitshering703 pls send me your adress I'll send you books with full of evidence on this topic.... But pls when you upload on such high level topic which has been deeply connected with people's believes and faith, pls give your time on research.. Pls don't upload whatever comes on your mind or what you think is right... Don't accumulate bad karma🙏
@ijrodmcsonam2972
@ijrodmcsonam2972 4 месяца назад
Narration is so poor man.... Content is great...if you are Indian please make a video in Hindi with fluency we can understand Hindi even though we are not Indian
@བདེནཔ
@བདེནཔ Год назад
For you he is the H.H 17th and for me other one is the 17th H.H. So you can do your way without disturbing me and I will do my way without disturbing anybody. Winner winner but no chicken dinner as we both are follower of karmapa.
@Grogueman
@Grogueman Год назад
🙏
@nasaka81
@nasaka81 Год назад
When a reincarnated lama is confirmed by the Chinese government, its good sign that this is not the true reincarnation. And why do you all forget that Urgen said him self that he is not the real Karmapa, and that he is very happy that he manage to share his thought with before 14th Shamapra's death. And now all the stories about Orgen's lovers and the babies he made with them - one can see he is truly not happy and he wants different life.
@Vivalove8
@Vivalove8 Год назад
Long live both Karmapa 🙏🏻
@dianehghzn7670
@dianehghzn7670 Год назад
HALLELUJAH
@mrgops3562
@mrgops3562 Год назад
Urgen Thinley Dorjee 🙏🙏🙏
@nangsel23
@nangsel23 Год назад
But karma thayea Dorjee married and have child, at the same time wearing monks clothe , This is not allowed. in Buddhism.
@solotravellers2583
@solotravellers2583 9 месяцев назад
The face structure of Ugen Trinley Dorjee and 16th Karmapa young face are very much similar which make us believe the real one
@caveatvenditor2558
@caveatvenditor2558 Год назад
What did it happen at the moment we have both 17th Karmapa? Do they excommunicate each other?
@ChristopherFynn001
@ChristopherFynn001 Год назад
If you read the short biography of the first Karmapa, Dusum Khyenpa, contained in the Blue Annals (དེབ་ཐེར་སྔོན་པོ་, ) - written by Gö Lotsawa Shyönnu Pal (1392-1481), it clearly states that Karmapa is one of the Buddhas of the fortunate aeon (བསྐལ་པ་བཟང་པོ) and that noone, not even a 10th level Bodhisattva, can tell how many emanations he has.
@dolmadukpen4380
@dolmadukpen4380 Год назад
Chabsuchee,,,,, karmapa,,,,,,ugen trinlay dorjee,,,,, 🙏💐🙏 Everywhere there were negetive and positive energy.....world even form by negetive and positive,thats why this is the example for the world,but negetive always lose,,,, right,,,,, ancient buddha was born and devdat was also born,is this the same case right .....no matter,we must prey heartly,worthfully to our real one.....thats the matter.....its my only views.....thank you.....karmapa khennoo from my heart....🙏💐🙏
@taidelek9994
@taidelek9994 Год назад
We respect both karmapa. It's up to you to whom you worship.
@doll_choden99
@doll_choden99 Год назад
I truly appreciate your golden pov!!! I agree with you too .
@tseringdorjee5275
@tseringdorjee5275 9 месяцев назад
UTD real karmapa🙏🙏🙏
@mustbeunity5959
@mustbeunity5959 9 месяцев назад
Both of them are real Karmapas for who like the unity of Kagyudpas but may be one of them are not real Karmapa for who really don’t like the unity of Karma kagyu. if you really like the real karmapa then don’t try to create more problems between the two karmapas. If anyone is real Kagyudpa then don’t care others gossips.
@achimkaiser3418
@achimkaiser3418 Год назад
I don´t know who really brought up that myth, that the dalai lama would be the spiritual leader of all tibetan buddhists. who claimes something like that has zero knoledge about the meaning and order of the 3 teachingcycles of buddha shakyamuni and the 4 main lineages of tibetan buddhism. the dalai lama might be some kind of political leader of a destroyed nation, that is spread around the world, but mainly genozided by china. he´s also the spiritual leader of the gelugpa school, which is by far the youngest of all 4. gelugs focus mainly on the 1st and 2nd teachingcycle of buddha. the main focuspoint of karmapas kagyü lineage is the 3rd cycle. vajrayana. how should the gelug-chief be able to judge about something like that? and such has never ever happened in the history of the 4 schools before. they allways find their top tulkus theirselves. again: there is no leading role or function of the dalai lama!!! and tai situs claims about the letter that could never be investigated because it was to holy and finally lost. the attempt of china to install their bought or frightened candidates to control the minds of the annexed tibetans have to be seen and understood. and yes, tibet was never a part of china. check the history. but a lot of chinese and even westeners believe that because they heard it often enough. last not least... the in the beginning cinese-installed candidate urgyen trinley escaped from the chinese control and tried to go on as karmapa for a couple of years. untill he finally gave up and said that he is not the karmapa. but the dalai lama is still right, right? haha
@leksheyyolmo7195
@leksheyyolmo7195 Год назад
His holiness the 17th karmapa ugen thinley dorjee 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@sanju7328
@sanju7328 Год назад
Karmapa Thenley thaye dorje had recognise by 16 th karmapa last latter.. But urgen renpoche is just tulku and he himself expose his own identity and now tibetan big polititon has stopped him to talk in English.. But karmapa thenley thaye dorje had no thing to prove himself karmapa because his holiness is as same as 16karmapa and no different
@tibetstudio71892
@tibetstudio71892 Год назад
His Holiness the 14th Dalai lama recognise is the real one and Mepham Rinpoche son is the Lingauge Rinpoche
@user-pt2pc5uf1g
@user-pt2pc5uf1g Год назад
There is only 1 Karmapa, before now n forever. Other one is a pariah just like the one who recognised him but died early due to his karma n for misguiding followers
@dianehghzn7670
@dianehghzn7670 Год назад
Hi ❤well iam really nobody to say anything about this situation but one day i was in singapore in a darma shop and i saw a picture of Orgen Trinley Dorge and i got such a surprise because i mustv had some kind of connection with the last karmapa I recognised Him as the 17 th karmapa I dont know how I knew i just did anyway after that people told me about the other karmapa and i allways thought that and the rumours at the time was that this second one was a setup by the chinese but then one of my Lamas suggested that because of the power of the Last karmapa this Lama said it was more than possible that the 16 th karmapa couldv easily have the two incarnations and having different functions to serve humanity and I feel this Lama Is right and I think HHDLL might be in agreance with that although don’t quote me on that because I might be wrong Iam sure HHDLL has his own thoughts and opinions on that ( its just an suggestion and a thought theres nothing to say that the Last Karmapa wasnt capable of that In my opinion and feeling more than Likely there shouldnt be any contreversy about that we shoulld all embrace both these great beings ❤but then who am I to say like I said iam a nobody to take any notice of but its something to think about if your interested in this matter whatever both are recocnized by the highest Lamas in existence so who could actually challenge that I think its a incredible opportunity to see thegreat compassionate nature of this great being ❤with no contreversy or arguments get past the mind games and just watch the wonders of the universal Love for all sentient beings ❤😂☮️☮️☮️💟💟💟🛐🛐🛐🕉️🕉️🕉️☸️☸️☸️💝🌈🌈🌈☔️☔️☔️🇳🇿🇳🇿🇮🇩🇮🇩🇺🇦🇺🇦🌹🍀😍🌺🌼🌸🥰💐🌷🌎🌏🌍😇☸️☸️☸️🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌷🌷🌷😍😍😍💝😇
@fnuphurbuchoezom620
@fnuphurbuchoezom620 4 месяца назад
ugyen trinkey dorjee not the other one
@TsheringWangdi-f9t
@TsheringWangdi-f9t 3 месяца назад
Ugyen thinly dorji is real karma pa
@DawaDrakpa-f6t
@DawaDrakpa-f6t Год назад
Long live urgyen T hinley dorjee karmapa
@ngawanglhendup1947
@ngawanglhendup1947 6 месяцев назад
I think Buddhist should be more happy that there is two Karbala. We have one more guru and one more choice. Long live both Karmapa rinpoche and flourish their teaching.
@kalzangg
@kalzangg Год назад
This is not something for you to make RU-vid content entitled “who is the real karmapa”. Instead of buddha’s footsteps and teachings, people are out here advocating for their own lineage’s 🙏🏼
@devendraratnaparkhi
@devendraratnaparkhi Год назад
You should get knowledge before posting the video. Without evidence and authentication you can't be declared it.
@cshering11
@cshering11 Год назад
100 💯 persent true.. useless reported
@tenzinsonam75
@tenzinsonam75 Год назад
Urgen trinley dorjee 🙏🙏🙏🌺🌺🌺🙏🙏🙏
@konchoksoom1229
@konchoksoom1229 Год назад
Better to judge the real Karmapa is on their action. Buddhist Monk never keep the wife and child with their buddhist Monk dress. Once the monk or lama or rinpoche fall in sexual activity is not so long Rabhjung. So better to wear lay man dress and keep the wife and children and can give the teaching if having a capacity of buddhism knowlegde. 🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏
@nondescripthuman
@nondescripthuman Год назад
Not true 10 and 13th Karmapas had a wife or consort. Read history before commenting. Every Buddhist master who undergoes tantric training has to take up a consort, most of them do it in a secret and Gelugs takes a wisdom consort or yeshe in chag gya, that doesn't mean all other schools follow the same thing. Plus the monk vow says sexual misconduct is not allowed, this is why even Gelongs after taking up tantric consort doesn't fall from the vow as it is not considered a sexual misconduct. As far as my knowledge goes. So stop judging. Respect everyone, I hope you remember the dog tooth story. I sometimes feel weird about Tibetan Lamas they will on one hand stay the dog story but on the other hand leave no stone unturned to vile another and this is DHARMA
@chodadukpa-rm3kg
@chodadukpa-rm3kg Год назад
Go back to some dalai lama incarnation married སྐུ ་ཕྲེང་...when dalai lama female incarnation in future, can you reject
@chodadukpa-rm3kg
@chodadukpa-rm3kg Год назад
We should analyse more about Buddhist not only one part..I think so...without analyse will create misunderstand ...dilgo khentse rinpoche was married and dalai lama get most of empowerment from khentse rinpoche why???? Dalai lama said about khentse rinpoche RU-vid
@chodadukpa-rm3kg
@chodadukpa-rm3kg Год назад
I accept ngyingma gayluk kargue sakya all...
@shyenabhatt6613
@shyenabhatt6613 9 месяцев назад
Orgen trinlay Dorjee is the only Karmapa. He has the great power I myself experienced. Whatever people whispering, I believe in him. My Guruji is Tai Situ Pa and he has the power of knowing the correct Karmapa. I am following Vajrayana Buddhism since 30 years and believe in only Orgen Trinlay Dorjee who resembles so much to previous 16 Karmapa. Don’t confuse people. I don’t think you are Tibetan must be Indian who is trying to sell his little rough reading. Vancouver BC
@tashinorbu2413
@tashinorbu2413 Год назад
Nothings more than, only by God H.H the 14h DALAI Lama recognised thats Karmapa.
@IronOx-nu3bk
@IronOx-nu3bk Год назад
I follow both karmapa🙏🙏🙏
@phutshering1819
@phutshering1819 Год назад
There is only one Karmapa...choose either one with genuine motivation and dedication...Karmapa Ugyen Trinley Dorjee is a genuine one...no doubt about that...Recognised by his root guru Tai Situpa Rinpochey..who has a long bonding Master and Student relationship between them in terms of recognition in every rebirth or reincarnation..
@kalugurung6876
@kalugurung6876 Год назад
Karmapa thinly thaye Dorje is real no doubt 🙏
@jamestan4584
@jamestan4584 Год назад
Wrong
@cactusfullmoon2597
@cactusfullmoon2597 Год назад
Long live H.H 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje...Recognised by the head of Kagyu lineage, 14th Shamar rinpoche, as we all know Karmapas and Shamarpas through centuries considered as one.Urgen trinley is a fake karmapa recognised officialy by chinese goverment.Dalai lama as head of gelugs lineage has no any spiritual authority to confirm who is the real recarnation for the head of kagyu lineage.
@honestreview9168
@honestreview9168 Год назад
Honestly speaking both are karmapa, karmapa meaning is the activities of Buddha, they are serving Buddha dharma pretty well, now they both had met 3 times already and made a statement together about harmony, florish a karma kagyu lineage and recognize a shamar Rinpoche reincarnation, so we as ordinary people, don't know nothing so better respect there decision spread Buddha dharma, 🙏🙏🙏
@sangaydorjeebhutia3277
@sangaydorjeebhutia3277 Год назад
I believe both ❤
@sadhinayak1867
@sadhinayak1867 Месяц назад
Gratitutly most wellcome to your presentation initiative essentially very nice❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Tashi delek
@tsewangpalmo1648
@tsewangpalmo1648 8 месяцев назад
The one recognised by the dalai lama.
@Behappy-ku7rt
@Behappy-ku7rt Год назад
I believe in both Karmapa 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@karmathinlay6881
@karmathinlay6881 Год назад
After the conflict in Rumtek monastery most of the senior monks around 150 monks supported Shamarpa and came along with him just few few monks left behind.... Pls study hard before posting anything wrong information 🙏
@vikasmore9161
@vikasmore9161 3 месяца назад
What happened with other Karmapa?
@angelboy5259
@angelboy5259 Год назад
Both are great lama we accept both as our karmapa lama
@tenzinprishashah3678
@tenzinprishashah3678 Год назад
Both are real human beings .nothing others ..
@pemazangmo8510
@pemazangmo8510 Год назад
Ogyen Thinley dorji is real 😢❤❤
@abhisektamang454
@abhisektamang454 Год назад
brother alot of facts are not mentioned at all what about the letter that was found and Shamar Rinpoche agreeing to it at first and also tsurpu is in tibet but you should mention that it has been the main seat of karmapas since the beginning of karamaps why is such an important high lama like Jamgon kongtrul not mentioned his death and gyaltsap Rinpoche the reagents of 16th karmapa their opinions at first many2 things are not in order it feels almost like a biased representation although your intentions may not be so it almost feels like you already have an opinion and a verdict which for historical studies is not a good thing as you're posting in a public platform it should be as it is not bending and twisting as it can misled people who are not so aware of this controversy, can you please also mention the sources of your information without the sources anyone can say anything as this thing is quite famous and clear you can find everything for this one
@DipakBhujel-me6sr
@DipakBhujel-me6sr Год назад
As a Naepali Buddhist both are H H karmappa do not compare ❤
@nimdomatamang3131
@nimdomatamang3131 10 месяцев назад
Karmapa chenno karmapa chenno karmapa chenno
@ogathingo8885
@ogathingo8885 5 месяцев назад
What a sad thing that happened to these 2 young Karmapa reincarnation. It should never had happened in this way. There are many revered Rinpoches who have many reincarnations like: mind, body etc and such system never caused any schism…. Hopefully the both Karmapas will overcome the schism of their supporters and unite for the benefit of all sentient beings …..
@merlintoetsang3945
@merlintoetsang3945 Год назад
Both the karma are guiding us but ogyen trinley Dorjee is our real karmapa as well as we have huge respected fir him. We donot need married lama like Thaye dorjee.
@jigmetotsal-it5cu
@jigmetotsal-it5cu 6 месяцев назад
There are 10 levels of bodhisattva which is call ma dak sa dun & dakpa sa sum one who complete all these then we can say enlighten one so its very important to choose right master who already enlighten one so to know which is right master in buddha darma said we should analysis for 10 years So its showing choosing master is very important
@DipeshLama-n9r
@DipeshLama-n9r Год назад
This is very sad for the Buddhist community and mainly for karma kagyu lineage 😭😭😭. Both trinley thaye and ogyen trinley are the genuine karmapa... Please Stop this kind of controversy Tibetan exile government. Because both Rinpoche are recognize by very high lama ( Rinpoche) so stop this kind of controversy for the sake of Buddhism, There are two dudjom Rinpoche in nyingmapa lineage and there is no controversy.. both hh shamar Rinpoche and hh situ Rinpoche are the lineage holder of karma kagyu tradition...🙏🙏🙏
@soprotivleniye7620
@soprotivleniye7620 Год назад
Impossible. One soul cannot incarnate in two bodies.
@khandutshewang
@khandutshewang Год назад
I am sorry bro I believe you haven't read the biography of karmapa from first to last if you deed I am sure that you could understand that there is no difference between karmapa and shamarpa . First shamarpa was prophecies by the second karmapa and he also mentioned that there is no difference with him. I mean shamarpa is also reincarnate of himself. How could you say that shamarpa doesn't have any supernatural power like karmapa. I could say that more you know you come to know that more you have to learn. Please keep on research I hope you can understand the truth soon I pray for you 🙏🙏🙏🙏..
@pemayankeylepcha7012
@pemayankeylepcha7012 Год назад
ShamarNag Khyeñño 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@邱仕傑-r6v
@邱仕傑-r6v Год назад
Useless to make comments here…don’t waste your time.. we should not involve in this issue which divides our community and other followers.
@Freedomnomad555
@Freedomnomad555 8 месяцев назад
Karmapa invented the tulku system. The system likes it because they can control the future leader from the very young age. It will always create controversies. I just pray that the leaders can see it and dare to change. For the sake of Buddhadharma.
@dolmakalsang2440
@dolmakalsang2440 Год назад
Thinly dorje🙏🙏🙏🙏
@pasangtsering876
@pasangtsering876 4 месяца назад
Bothe are Urgain Bothe are Dorjee One is Thinley One is Thaye One is promoted by Shamarpa Rinpoche. One is promoted by Situ Rinpoche. Bothe the Situ Rinpoche and Shamar Rinpoche and historically achieved Lama with long history. So Karna Kagyue is enriched with two Karmapa. Both are now Karmapa Like it or not Both will serve humanity!
@nyimagyaltsen8054
@nyimagyaltsen8054 Год назад
Brother, Feel your research bit baise. His Holiness The Dalai Lama has no authority to choose the 17th Karmapa. As you explained in the beginning, His Holiness karmapa's lineage is much older than the His Holiness The Dalai Lama lineage. Right? This is between Red Hat and Black Hat conspiracy cases. Don't make a title that you did full research. I am sure you look like Red hat Karmapa students. Please don't divide and put politics in that. Karmapa lineage is very old, so it might be possible to reincarnate of two bodies with the same Karmapa thrown holder. 16th Karmapa might know the future that they is no unity between red and black hat. So. Don't put His Holiness Dalai Lama name. 1st, he recognised the Shamar ( Red hat ) Karmapa, and then later, he recognised the Shanak ( Black hat ) Karmapa. Why does he do that. ? Do you have an answer? I don't think so. There is no need to make this kind of half research content. If you are a monk, then study the wisdom and practice compassion. Search your own Buddha.
@tenzingdolma1744
@tenzingdolma1744 10 месяцев назад
🙏🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐
@traceler
@traceler Год назад
There was a letter that was not scrutinized or authenticated by experts because Tai Situ did not allowed it, that would have solve the issue once and for all... I think Tai Situ was scare of testing the legitimacy of that letter because bringing experts to use science with respect has nothing bad about that... even HH Dalai Lama was open to use science to authenticated the bones of the Buddha and using fMRI to see the working brains of mediators ( even the Catholic Church allowed science to test the Holy Shroud of Christ) so checking if the letter was actually handwritten by HH the 16 Karmapa or was a counterfeit was the right thing to do but Tai situ say " it is too Holy" so it is Holier than the remains of the Buddha or the Shroud of Christ? Cm on! If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from science that after all is looking for the truth. and the truth does not harm if you are in the right path.
@FlussdesLebens1
@FlussdesLebens1 Год назад
A 'no' is also an answer.
@thehiddenyogi8557
@thehiddenyogi8557 Год назад
Tai Situpa is an expert. There is nothing 'anti science' about it. Scientists can also have an opinion, but no proof. Whose opinion is worth more regarding the rebirth of the Karmapa? His inner circle of Golden Rosary or a scientist who is not Buddhist and doesn't believe in rebirth?
@shyenabhatt6613
@shyenabhatt6613 9 месяцев назад
Don’t try to insult my Guru Tai Situ Pa. Whatever he has declared is correct. I myself had great experience with him and Ogyen Trinlay Dorjee. Remember insulting a high Guru is sin, remember it. Vancouver bc
@abhisektamang454
@abhisektamang454 Год назад
the great master tulku Urgyen Rinpoche whos also the father of Mingyur Rinpoche and also the guru of 16th karmapa told that one should respect both of them or you can venerate both of them equally and also my personal opinion that whatever they teach its the Buddhas teaching wats more relevant is if we follow the teachings without our own bending and twisting it and as for the great black hat ceremony and all i think maybe its because of our karma in this degenerate age that we are not being allowed the golden fortune karmapa khenno
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