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Who's Afraid of Karl Marx?
Karl Marx has become something of a philosophical boogeyman these days. His work, we’re told, calls for violent revolution, totalitarian states, and so on. But what if we’re getting Marx all wrong? What if his theories were far less prescriptive than we’ve been led to believe? We’ll explain in this Wisecrack Edition: Everyone’s Wrong About Marx.
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@blackshard641
@blackshard641 Год назад
"We are living in a material world, and I am a material girl" - Marx, probably
@babyatemydingo574
@babyatemydingo574 Год назад
Now that's in my head. Thanks.
@babyatemydingo574
@babyatemydingo574 Год назад
@@SamBeck6090 "can't get a job cuz I ain't got a car." Proles everywhere, definitely
@babyatemydingo574
@babyatemydingo574 Год назад
@@Charles37400 song lyrics viewed jokingly (but not actually jokingly) viewed through a Marxist lense.
@bherrin67
@bherrin67 Год назад
😂😝🤣💀💀💀
@mayconlcruz
@mayconlcruz Год назад
@@Charles37400 This is a line you hear a lot from NPCs who work as prostitutes in Novigrad in The Witcher 3.
@ShinigamiInuyasha777
@ShinigamiInuyasha777 Год назад
DeSantis a lawyer of Guantánamo wanting a law to teach "atrocities of communism" mandatory is the most US thing ever
@Orrphoiz
@Orrphoiz Год назад
DeSantis, a certified future looking at bricks enjoyer 😌
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 Год назад
I like how the right will accuse everyone else of "virtue signaling" when they do it all the time as seen with Desantis and this tepid law. Especially given the fact that the American public school system already at its core is biased against the left and communist atrocities are already discussed routinely when they get to that point in the lessons. Do they think schools dont mention Stalin 😂?
@michaelgj23
@michaelgj23 Год назад
Dude literally said torture was ok when he was in JAG at Guantanamo Bay and he’s going to talk about the “atrocities of communism?”
@alexpkeaton4471
@alexpkeaton4471 Год назад
@@michaelgj23 DeSantis: "You won't believe the atrocities I saw going on in Cuba. Checkmate libs."
@TheDizzieC
@TheDizzieC Год назад
​@@michaelgj23His thinking is probably. "Wow, I am doing some pretty nasty stuff in the name of American Democracy, I can only imagine what communism was like, since I have been told it is 1000x worse than The US.
@joshsmyth130
@joshsmyth130 Год назад
As someone with adhd, the goal of being able to not just do one thing forever would be amazing.
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
ADHD solidarity.
@anandasouthard7760
@anandasouthard7760 10 месяцев назад
💯 team adhd
@desmondnyaho3061
@desmondnyaho3061 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, and under capitalism you are free to quit your job and get another if you wanted.
@eges72
@eges72 5 месяцев назад
As another being with ADHD, people are getting increasingly aware of the horror of solidification into one category(i.e. Jobs) like a cog in a machine, and organizing, which is a good sign.
@AydenDonley
@AydenDonley 4 месяца назад
@@eges72bro get off the internet and get a job that you can be proud of
@saintgabriel3634
@saintgabriel3634 Год назад
The moment you said “it’s like you saying your boss needs you more than you” I began to think “Am I a communist?” because I’ve been saying that to all my coworkers for months. “They can’t fire us all” is what I tend to strengthen my argument but maybe I should lean more on the “Fuck it let’s be communist” 😂😂
@IAmNumber4000
@IAmNumber4000 Год назад
If your job is treating you shitty you may want to consider forming a union, because true, they can’t fire you all
@Dsonsee
@Dsonsee Год назад
Even if you don't think you're a communist you're supporting the cause by agitating for the labour struggle
@gabrielespana319
@gabrielespana319 Год назад
Really it’s a symbiotic thing. Obviously employers need employees in order to run the business. But likewise employees often need the employer to provide the location and equipment for the work to be done since they may not be able to afford that equipment themselves, and those that do can form co ops instead. And being pro union isn’t really communist either since it’s just free negotiation between the two parties but on a larger scale.
@IAmNumber4000
@IAmNumber4000 Год назад
@@gabrielespana319 Perhaps workers wouldn't require funding from capitalists if capitalists weren't hoarding all the capital in the first place.
@gabrielespana319
@gabrielespana319 Год назад
Most wealth isn’t even hoarded cash so that makes no sense. It’s all assets.
@devinmcmanus
@devinmcmanus Год назад
It shouldn't come as a surprise that Marx is misunderstood; really getting his ideas requires reading books.
@anteeko
@anteeko Год назад
"really getting his ideas requires reading books" does it really when is economic ideas are so badly flawed?
@JarrodBaniqued
@JarrodBaniqued Год назад
I don’t think his bit about ownership of machines determining necessary vs. surplus labor time is flawed in any way (although admittedly, the Grundrisse that I learned this from is available online for free)
@idnyftw
@idnyftw Год назад
"but it's haaaaaard!"
@breakingboundaries3950
@breakingboundaries3950 Год назад
@@anteeko - someone who has never tried to read theory bc they’re afraid they’ll agree with it
@GamingPandaCat
@GamingPandaCat Год назад
@@anteeko If you'd read capital you'd be flying in the lolita express right now instead of whatever this is.
@kevinroscom
@kevinroscom Год назад
The most ironic thing about politicians spouting off about the dangers of communism is that within the first few pages of the communist manifesto, Marx and Engels talk about politicians who spout off about the dangers of communism. It truly is prophetic
@damianbylightning6823
@damianbylightning6823 Год назад
Marx wasn't a very good prophet though. The workers became richer - immiseration in the developed world never led to revolution.The workers never revolted - not even in backward Russia - that was a military coup. His two big claims were falsified by history. His one remaining claim is that there could be no civil order prior to the development of agriculture. For at least 30 years now, we have known this has been proven to be wrong. Marx was a mystic dipshit. He got every call 100% wrong.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
"talk about politicians" Wrong, the Communist Manifesto is just propaganda, basically rebel. You are doing nothing to help with historical revisionism.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
Give me the actual quote or phrase from the communist manifesto, because chapter 1 doesn't talk about politicians, they never are mentioned even once, so, the Communist Manifesto indirectly DOES supports those politicians.
@christopheringram3597
@christopheringram3597 Год назад
​@@saricubra2867it's the preamble.
@Antifadiva
@Antifadiva Год назад
I'd like to know more
@Jandrix_bb
@Jandrix_bb Год назад
I was watching this while thinking about the Reddit Blackout death cycle. It really puts into perspective how the value isn't the site itself, but created by passionate volunteers who make a community and site worth visiting. Trying to extract money from the people who create capital in a misguided effort to make it more profitable is the literal death knell of every social platform.
@darbodrake89
@darbodrake89 Год назад
And instead of coming together and making real change they went right back to the website.
@Large_Gigungus
@Large_Gigungus Год назад
​​@@darbodrake89hooosh! The point is that Reddit is killing itself, not that the blackout would kill / fix it.
@darbodrake89
@darbodrake89 Год назад
@@Large_Gigungus But it isn't, the point still stands that the people that make content for reddit, are going to continue going there. If there was not some other value to the site itself then they would migrate elsewhere.
@johndotcue
@johndotcue Год назад
@@Large_Gigungus they didn’t make a point by blacking out subreddits. The way you make a point is by leaving the website forever. You guys did nothing and it’s lazy internet activism that will do nothing You do something by not buying into their products.
@blazefactor6849
@blazefactor6849 Год назад
@@johndotcue The issue wasn't that a massive amount of people were being lazy, it's that the subreddit admins literally couldn't keep the blackout going due to site admins threatening to replace them with people who would open the subs back up. There were plenty of people who left entirely, but there aren't enough to cause a sizeable dent, and since the subreddits were forced to re-open, it's hard to do anything about it.
@chessenthusiast
@chessenthusiast Год назад
95% of those who criticize Marx have read about 0-5% of what he wrote. I have yet to come across a good faith, thorough, and accurate repudiation of Marx, likely because when you actually read and absorb what he says, you realize, “Oh, wait, he’s right about that, and that, and that, and that…”
@darkprince56
@darkprince56 Год назад
I guess he's just been misunderstood all those times his ideas have been used to justify oppression, starvation, state sponsored murder & all around misery.
@anteaterzhell
@anteaterzhell Год назад
Including 95% of leftist
@hailgiratinathetruegod7564
@hailgiratinathetruegod7564 Год назад
I read Marx, and he is wrong about almost everything, every prediction he made, both about the future, aswell looking retrospectivly at the past don't follow Marxist theory.
@stephendaley266
@stephendaley266 Год назад
Nobody ever does the reading. Listening to right-wingers talk about Marxism is like watching Bart Simpson try to fake his way through a book report. 😂😂😂
@fugazi32
@fugazi32 Год назад
Marx was a Freemason, enough said. 🙄
@mortalitydoesstuff8965
@mortalitydoesstuff8965 Год назад
"Marxism" and "Woke" are the two words in the US that have completely lost all meaning
@jph4889
@jph4889 Год назад
Marxism hasn't lost its meaning. Americans are just stupid and don't know what Marxism is.
@bort6459
@bort6459 Год назад
By design. It's not just about making a boogieman, it's about nihilating a message. If Marxism because a meaningless word, than the actual meaning is harder to teach.
@Lilliathi
@Lilliathi Год назад
Same for "fascism" and "white supremacy".
@50733Blabla1337
@50733Blabla1337 Год назад
@@Lilliathi Not at all but its not like youre here in good faith
@jph4889
@jph4889 Год назад
@@Lilliathi Both fascism and white supremacy have very specific meanings -- you just don't want to read about them.
@_oe_o_e_
@_oe_o_e_ Год назад
Imagine being afraid of a guy who slept on his friends couch cause he was reading a bunch of Economic books and going "Yoooo that's messed up!"
@Knedlajz2
@Knedlajz2 Год назад
It's almost as if some level of leisure is needed to put together a thorough criticism of just about anything in the world. It's no coincidence that most philosophers in history were living a life of relative leisure. That sort of analysis and thinking isn't really achievable if you're stuck at work most of the day...
@DRKTROOPER15
@DRKTROOPER15 Год назад
Or maybe, just maybe. The people are afraid of it because the apocalyptic amount of death people using his ideas has caused
@mickschilder3633
@mickschilder3633 Год назад
@@DRKTROOPER15i mean sure but why then not treat Niche in the same way?
@DRKTROOPER15
@DRKTROOPER15 Год назад
@@mickschilder3633 pretty sure a lot of ppl do already. Although the Germans had a ton of other influences besides him. Pagan nonsense, Gnosticism and Marxism to name a few
@marceline3771
@marceline3771 Год назад
@@DRKTROOPER15 ...World war 2 era Germans & the way of general acting of the Nazi party was not influenced by Marxism.
@Turnet47
@Turnet47 Год назад
The biggest misconception about Marx is that he was anticapitalist. He could be better describe as a post capitalist. He recognized the benefits capitalism over feudalism and that it catapulted the industrial revolution. He thought that after capitalism sufficient development it would not be necessary and the surplus of production could be socialized once the productive forces were developed enough.
@arandomhamster233
@arandomhamster233 6 месяцев назад
IMO, I think people should understand dialectical and historical materialism first, before understanding socialism and communism
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 5 месяцев назад
@@arandomhamster233 The problem is the capitalist class and their privileged lackeys have no reason to change until their system becomes the opposite of what it started as. Then what the working class does becomes important.
@jvctr5977
@jvctr5977 4 месяца назад
"The problem" is that many people don't realize that Marxists have a linear idea of time, in the same way that Christians and many other religions have.
@arandomhamster233
@arandomhamster233 4 месяца назад
@@kimobrien. The revolution is necessary to change the relations of production
@a224kkk
@a224kkk Месяц назад
Monopoly companies are afraid. Tech, oil, car
@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179
@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179 Год назад
Old man Karl has been dead for 142 years and he's still seen as a mortal enemy of the Capitalist class. I think he would be pleased. Marx critique of Capitalism is deep and inescapable and he will be relevant for as long as this system exist.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
"I think he would be pleased." He would see the modern world as a marvel.
@soul1d
@soul1d Год назад
Piles of corpses ignored to say it wasnt tried to give them another go at adding to the corpse pile.
@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179
@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179 Год назад
And had you given it even a thought why people will try again and again to topple Capitalism? The question is rhetorical since the answer is very simple: is because this system is simply intolerable and people will always aspire to something better. Thinking that Capitalism is the final economic and social system for humanity is absurd. That's why people will fight to change it... until they'll do. As for Marx thinking this world is a marvel? Sure he would find admirable the advances in Science and Technology, he never denied the wonders of industrialism. But he certainly would not be surprised that such marvels were used to build inequality greater than under the pharaohs, that instead of liberating man from work it brought instead greater exploitation and Alienation and put entire continents under the boot. That the marvels of Science where use to merely make money and exploit workers instead of liberating Mankind is an incredible tragedy that'll keep on happening until Capitalism is finally defeated.
@gabrielespana319
@gabrielespana319 Год назад
He’s the enemy of free people everywhere.
@LegoSwordViedos
@LegoSwordViedos Год назад
Yeah because whipping up murderous mobs for centuries after you're dead is such an achievement. I'd love to be remembered 140 from now for spawning hateful mobs who linch people steal and put millions to death and starvation. While also trampling on the rights of hundreds of millions, to billions, creating despotic regimes often worse then whatever semi capitalist ones they overthrew. While also witnessing the useful idiots flock to my teachings time after time after time again. Often for lefty pseudo-intellectual types who don't actually know any of the real struggle of actual working class people to larpe as the "proletariat"
@DavidHernandez-eq6lw
@DavidHernandez-eq6lw Год назад
I got so blown away the first time I read “philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it”.
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
It's a hell of a line.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
@@WisecrackEDU So is this: 10:20 - You are lying. You left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@Noah_Giddens
@Noah_Giddens Год назад
​​@@arkology_city Also you're conflating our current state system with a marxist state. A marxist state would be "A dictatorship of the proletariat" or in other words, ran by the working masses. Effectively what this break down to is that the workers own the factories and control the financial system rather then a minority of an unelected ownership class (the bourgeois)
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
@@arkology_city leave this comment 100 more times and you'll be happy.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
@arkology_city "...in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class." Did you not actually read the next paragraph? I presume you didn't. Or, if you did, I presume you have limited reading comprehension. Supposing you have sufficient reading comprehension to grok what is being said there, I can only assume that your arguments are in terrible faith, and are innately subversive, or are engrained in your psyche after years of indoctrinal teachings. But all right... let's presume that you just have a primary-school level of reading comprehension. Allow me: the state would be a temporary apparatus, meant to transition, by granting power to humans, rather than corporate conglomerates and the rich people who get more rich by virtue of already being rich... generally, by birthright. Once the apparatus has served the purpose of giving the power to the people, the apparatus of the state becomes largely redundant, as the people have the power. This, in effect, means that to transition, the final act would be to disband the state, or at least, the parts of the state that concern themselves with the needs of the owner class and the working class, as the classes no longer exist, and there are just people. There, I did the hard work of interpreting it for you, because you couldn't actually read more than just the one word, and got stuck on it.
@Evelyn_Okay
@Evelyn_Okay Год назад
Marxism: you're worth more than what your boss is paying you Society: NO we're not Socialist: this is why we can't have nice things 🤦🏼‍♀️
@mmartinisgreat
@mmartinisgreat Год назад
Sadly I've heard people say this :/
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
@@mmartinisgreat Idiotic people.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
Is not a socialist. A socialist would tell that boss and that company: "I expropriate you and now it belongs to the government". Now the average worker would be basically worthless since the government is bankrupt, there's equality at least, equally poor.
@DjMaxi005
@DjMaxi005 Год назад
Lol, then find another boss, in another company, or negotiate a better contract, or start your own business and stop whining
@Danimal4321
@Danimal4321 Год назад
​@@DjMaxi005based
@rileyxsko
@rileyxsko Год назад
I was working as a machine operator making cooling systems for like airplanes, trucks, etc and just one piece of the 75-100 I made in a workday ranged anywhere from $500 - $2k dollars in value. I made $17/hr. For a 12 hour workday even before taxes I couldn't afford to buy just one of those pieces. Can't even afford a 1/1 bedroom anywhere near where I work. This is a good system and I see no flaws with it. 🥴
@dandeaton6511
@dandeaton6511 5 месяцев назад
I doubt you bring that in value. Try blaming yourself for your lack of value and not everyone else. People making hamburgers make more than you.
@rileyxsko
@rileyxsko 5 месяцев назад
@@dandeaton6511 60 million working Americans make between $7.25 and $20/hr. Most Americans live in urban centers. Average rent in urban centers for a 1 bedroom Apt is $1500/mo. This isn't about individual value - clearly my labor generates value since my company makes billions in revenue and profit every year. This is about wage stagnation and rising costs of living. Bootstraps rhetoric is nonsense, you're justifying wage slavery and that's never ended well for any society.
@dandeaton6511
@dandeaton6511 5 месяцев назад
@@rileyxsko Your logic is what nonsense, you blame society for your problems. This are difficult right now, thank the Democrats for that. But should improve your yourself to become a valuable employee, then you will make more, or start you own business. But simply blaming society for your lack of ability or enthusiasm is a bunch of BS. There are many people doing well and its not do to any type of privilege. They just didn’t listen to jackasses like this guy.
@rileyxsko
@rileyxsko 5 месяцев назад
@@dandeaton6511 Nah. Regurgitating Heritage Foundation talking points disseminated by the wealthy that literally get wealth by exploiting and under-paying workers doesn't actually address the very real problem of economic equality. It's easier to lay the blame on the workers with no power instead of recognizing that this system is reliant upon the expropriation of wealth to the top from the bottom. That Boomer cliche "pUlL yOurSelF uP bY yOuR bOoTstRaPs" nonsense might have worked on you but I ain't buying it. All labor demands a living -- nay, thriving wage. But yeah bro keep talking trash on the people that keep you fed, that people that manufacture the products and technology that literally keep you alive, keep infantilizing the tens of millions of workers that are fed up with not being able to take care of themselves despite working overtime and not having the time to spend with their families. And when they stand you up facing the wall you let me know if it was worth it d---riding the 1% so you could feel superior to blue collar workers tryna make ends meet. Stay on that psycho apathetic sh-- and see where that takes you old man.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 5 месяцев назад
@@dandeaton6511 Actually it a rigged system and even the bourgeois economist like Milton Friedman will admit it if you listen closely that banks create capital by lending it back and forth to each other such that it gets counted on the books of more than one bank and that they only keep a faction on deposit despite the total of the currency in circulation.
@88Studio
@88Studio Год назад
In Vietnam, we learn about both Karl Marx and Adam Smith's economic philosophies to gain a better understanding from different perspectives. While it's important to acknowledge the negative consequences of communism, it often prevents people from recognizing the flaws in capitalism.
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
They are both flawed because they view people primarily as economic units and are materialist.
@dimitriwillems8735
@dimitriwillems8735 11 месяцев назад
Communism did more damage, killed more people in Vietnam then the war did. the flaws of capitalism aren't that bad
@stephendaley266
@stephendaley266 11 месяцев назад
@@dimitriwillems8735 That's an obvious lie. Capitalism murdered 2 million Vietnamese in the war of American aggression. Capitalism murdered a similar number of people in Korea. Capitalism overthrew dozens of democratically elected governments around the world and enabled right-wing dictators to murder millions. Read an actual history book before you spout nonsense like this. Later, loser!
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 11 месяцев назад
@@dimitriwillems8735 Which war though? Vietnam went through at least three. Never forget that. A war against the French and a war against the Chinese that was vicious as well. It was still recovering from WW2 in the sixties. I once saw a doc where they interviewed old VietCong and funnily enough, all of them gave nationalistic justifications for fighting America.
@Faus4us_Official
@Faus4us_Official Месяц назад
I apologize for our blatant disrespect of and utter disregard for human life. No one wins in war. - an American veteran
@lentoperoavanzo4007
@lentoperoavanzo4007 Год назад
I saw a Wisecrack video about Marx not being a scary monster and I got worried that it would be a socdem/libsoc -esque repudiation of 90% of real-world Marxist revolutionary projects (somehow Cuba manages to avoid a lot of that energy), but I had enough faith in Michael to remain cautiously optimistic. I was not disappointed. This is getting saved to show to folks who flinch at words like “Marxist” and “communism” but are still willing to engage in good-faith dialogue. Excellent breakdown.
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
thank you so much.
@jacksonrocks4259
@jacksonrocks4259 Год назад
As a full blown commie, I always get nervous when creators I really like discuss these topics. But wisecrack doesn’t disappoint!
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
"somehow Cuba manages to avoid" Cuba is such a well known mess at this point that socialists can't hide it. There's literal 1984 on Earth (Kim Jong Un's North Korea dystopia)
@ivanabreu4383
@ivanabreu4383 Год назад
I get you. As a communist, when i see videos about communism that are not made by other communists, i always expect the "stalin killed a trillion people a year and stabed my grandma at dinner" type of shit, or trying to say that lenin or mao are not real marxists, and that the USSR was not socialist.
@darkprince56
@darkprince56 Год назад
@@ivanabreu4383 how can you be in favor of tyranny that has produced (& still does) so much misery?
@alphacause
@alphacause Год назад
Marxism is probably the most amorphous term in our political landscape. It can be used as a means to vilify anything and everything.
@germalganis
@germalganis Год назад
So does capitalism and here we are
@joshuacampbell1625
@joshuacampbell1625 Год назад
​@@germalganis I'm yet to hear of "cultural capitalism".
@cudelsx
@cudelsx Год назад
@@joshuacampbell1625 bro read the comments on this video lmao wtf?
@jph4889
@jph4889 Год назад
@@germalganis Nah, people have pretty valid criticisms of capitalism.
@joshuacampbell1625
@joshuacampbell1625 Год назад
@@cudelsx why not? It's entertainment
@kdandsheela
@kdandsheela Год назад
Marx really helped me in fundamentally shifting my understanding of labor and recreation. Humans actually enjoy doing things, even under capitalism we do volunteer work, domestic work, and hobbies. In a world where all activities are done voluntarily and not under the threat of losing food and shelter the divides between work and play become more blurry. Labor often feels so draining because we are not doing it fully consensually, and this has been normalized for so much of our recent history.
@stuckinthemud4352
@stuckinthemud4352 Год назад
But what if you are a guy like me? I don’t really want to work what incentive is there for someone like me to work in your system?
@kdandsheela
@kdandsheela Год назад
@@stuckinthemud4352 what do you mean?
@stuckinthemud4352
@stuckinthemud4352 Год назад
@@kdandsheela seems like you were implying that people will work for the good of the community rather than personal gain and I was just curious what incentive you think there is for me to work in a Marxist system. What if I don’t want to help my fellow man and I just want to get paid
@stephendaley266
@stephendaley266 Год назад
@stuckinthemud4352 Then your community can come together to shame you into pulling your weight. We can also just give you the worst available jobs until you shape up! Try again, loser. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kdandsheela
@kdandsheela Год назад
@@stuckinthemud4352 that's not really what I was going for, I can't speak for what a marxist system would look like, I haven't read enough of him to really say. My main belief is that forcing people to work is cringe. If I were to make an ideal world, I'm a lot more concerned with the fact that almost everyone is being forced to work than some people might not want to work. And like, even if I saw people not wanting to work as a problem I wouldn't suggest the solution be to force them to work under threat of losing food and shelter, that's lowkey psychotic
@itsdantaylor
@itsdantaylor Год назад
One thing I recall hearing is that, a terrifying 'boogeyman' of capitalism that Marx feared was those with money, trying to use money to assign value to something, thus completely undermining the very value of 'work' and a prime example of that is something we are seeing them trying to do now! NFT's.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 5 месяцев назад
Few people understand money including how banks are able to create more on their books than actually is in circulation. The bank began as a safe place to store a heavy metal called gold. Today the banks play a major role along with insurance companies because so much money goes to them and investment comes from them.
@BrianMarshall1
@BrianMarshall1 Год назад
I read Kapital a few years ago after reading The Wealth of Nations. Huge parts of it felt like the same book. I realized how propagandized I'd been against his work afterward. It didn't line up with what I'd been taught at all. I wouldn't call myself a Marxist, but it definitely influenced the way I look at the world, government, institutions, etc
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
I'm glad that Labor Theory was debunked later, because the abusurdity of "explotation" at work makes me think that the whole world is a gulag when isn't the case.
@stugeh
@stugeh Год назад
​@@saricubra2867 a) it wasnt B) definitionally you can absolutely not make an argument that extracting profit from the labour of workers is not exploitation. exploitation [ ek-sploi-tey-shuhn ] noun use or utilization, especially for profit: the exploitation of newly discovered oil fields. selfish utilization: He got ahead through the exploitation of his friends.
@thomashenry4798
@thomashenry4798 Год назад
@@saricubra2867 It wasn't debunked so much as it was ridiculed and economists in college basically go out of their way to pretend it doesnt exist under the guise of being 'apolitical'. The Chicago School of economics for example, literally tells you to ignore reality if your models dont match up.
@kylewilliams8114
@kylewilliams8114 Год назад
Adam Smith himself is largely misrepresented since he was mostly just trying to describe the system he saw, not proscribe how things should work. People read, "Invisible Hand" and ascribe moral value to it. He hated landlords and believed that markets could not properly provide many things, one example being education which he argued states should provide. Tldr; Adam Smith was not a laizze faire capitalist, both have had their writings distorted to serve power.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
@@kylewilliams8114 They didn't have their writings distorted to serve power because they were flawed in the first place If every socialist country in the world is a mess is because the theory is wrong.
@joaovmlsilva3509
@joaovmlsilva3509 Год назад
To understand marx you need first to understand capitalism. So far no one(in the USA) seems to do any of that.
@BifronsCandle
@BifronsCandle Год назад
Capitalism switches between "when people work and trade" and "this ideal society which never existed and thus can't be blamed" depending on whatever is convenient.
@user-gu7lv9gk8m
@user-gu7lv9gk8m Год назад
Marx was a nobody. His failed ideology is based on zoroastrianism, abrahamic religions, and jacobin mystical freemasonry. In order words it's conservatism disguised as equality.
@vassilyvodka2638
@vassilyvodka2638 Год назад
Adam Smith is a requirement to understand Marx. Even he had a few biases towards the industrialized system. Somewhere in page 368 he mentioned how he was against it, because doing one or two task in your job makes you more stupid.
@philv2529
@philv2529 Год назад
Including you
@retep2244
@retep2244 Год назад
I just finished reading “Why Marx was Right” by Terry Eagleton and it’s actually an amazing book for anyone who wants a fun quick read that’s well researched and does well at debunking some of the most common falsehoods, myths and misconceptions about Marxism and communism.
@DoggyHateFire
@DoggyHateFire Год назад
I recently read it as well and I thought it was pretty informative for even a guy on the left such as myself.
@adarkimpurity
@adarkimpurity Год назад
Do you think it's fair workers should be on the line for executive decision-making, risk, and debt if Marxists got their way? Do you think the proletariat dictatorship would 'dissolve itself' after violently snatching power?
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
Eagleton was a fanboy. Let's discuss the pseudo-scientific aspects of his doctrine, KM's well documented racism and how inflexible absolutist thought inevitably leads to tyranny.
@retep2244
@retep2244 Год назад
@@thursoberwick1948 Eagalton speaks at length in this book about how Marx wasn’t an absolutist
@jeff__w
@jeff__w 11 месяцев назад
I bought it and read it and found it disappointing-I thought it took lots of bad, strawman arguments and addressed _them_ (correctly, but still), which is sort of low-hanging fruit. I wouldn’t say the book was about “Why Marx Was Right” but more “A Lot of Critiques You Hear About Marx Are Wrong.”
@bails161
@bails161 Год назад
I love the simple and straightforward way this was explained! It completely shuts down all those silly arguments about how "cultural marxism" is coming for the children lmfao. My university classes in which Marx was taught were some of the best I've had. When it 'clicks' for people, they see the world completely different, and it's amazing to watch happen.
@michaelwilliamson4759
@michaelwilliamson4759 10 месяцев назад
Oh look, another “I watched a video about Marx and Marxism. It debunks everything about Cultural Marxism going after for the children. My university class that taught Marx most certainly didn’t force a bias about Marxism.” This video and your university class does not debunk anything. It simply shows the brainwashing and gaslighting Marxists push on the fragile minds of people in universities.
@Rocketman1292
@Rocketman1292 Год назад
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ― George Orwell
@feelipeson
@feelipeson Год назад
Not that this quote is wrong, since europe/US does it like for centuries, but Orwell was anticommunist, 1984 and Animal Farm was even printed as part of anticommunist propaganda in some countries
@RealFemale69
@RealFemale69 Год назад
Orwell had some bangers
@charles___
@charles___ Год назад
Say this to the White Folks
@throwfascistsintopits3062
@throwfascistsintopits3062 Год назад
Ironic. He said that, while writing the most shitty allegory on Stalin's USSR, and being a British secret Service bootlicker.
@feelipeson
@feelipeson Год назад
@@RealFemale69 yeah, I like some of his writings
@nathanfrentzel7197
@nathanfrentzel7197 Год назад
I agree with Marx that the ideal we should strive for is to give people more freedom to just be... people. How close we can get to that ideal, and how we get there, is what I'm unsure of.
@GamingPandaCat
@GamingPandaCat Год назад
It starts small, unfortunately the bare minimum is something we can't have because we're lazy or whatever, which is why we even have a minimum wage in the first place, the bosses would have you working for free (slavery) if they could.
@DawryMike
@DawryMike Год назад
Actually, Marx never argued for an ideal anything. In fact Marx's ideology, dialectical materialism, is intensely critical of idealistic philosophy. When you read Marx's work, it doesn't have a utopian vision of the world. At its base, it is a study of capitalist political economy, the contradictions within it, and the class antagonisms that precipitate from those contradictions. His conclusion is that, similar to previous class societies like feudal Europe, the stratification and exploitation of a disenfranchised class leads to the eventual destruction of that mode of production leading to a new form. For Marx, that next form would logically lead from the workers as a developing class as the capitalists took over from an aristocracy unwilling to truly recognize them.
@CaptPeon
@CaptPeon Год назад
It'll have to be put to a vote. I've never understood the West's insistence that the question is "Communism" or "Democracy" when Marx insisted that the workers themselves would determine socio-economic systems WITHOUT dictators.
@waltonsmith7210
@waltonsmith7210 Год назад
At least you agree with the ideal and don't idolize and defend the indefensible. That's the first step. Admitting we have a problem.
@brayanechevarria7700
@brayanechevarria7700 Год назад
​@@DawryMike eh, certain things were very much idealized by Marx in his writings, in order for him to have such conclussions. Such as nationalization and the state owning banks being better than the alternative. Here's my critic on that: He talked as if corruption would cease to exist, or as if people suddenly stopped being human beings, due to there being a revolution of the proletariat or because they have certain ideas he advocated for... I can't help but think abolition of private property is utterly wrong. Any system of economic distribution can only work on the basis of private property. Also, any proposal that doesn't take into account the very fundamental "Human Nature" is meant to fall or to cause degradation. For example, the value of things is subjective, for the most part it can't be objective. People are vastly different not only culturally, but also on an individual level. The value different types of people place on stuff varies significantly, therefore the subjective value is more important. Thus, the price of things has to be determined at a subjective level. In this sense, people can at a certain point demand for certain Standards to be placed upon goods. These Standards can only be improved in countries where people achieve a greater capacity of acquisition of private property and goods. Because this capacity is a kind of "redistributed power". While not perfect, it's miles better than what people without this capacity have in poorer countries. But you can't have this if you follow Marxist ideas only. Because you wouldn't be taking into account that you'll be unavoidably giving the power to take decisions on people who don't care for any Standards that particular persons have, as long as "things generally work fine". This means that you can't have Standards, or that corruption will end up degrading them, in a system where private property and money isn't in the hands of people. Since you can't have absolutely everyone being their own bosses or owning everything at the same time, whoever gets to do so will be the bosses, the leaders, the "bourgeoisie", the government. By mere laws of physics and of nature it just isn't possible. You can't even force everyone to think the same way or be almost literal members of a same party. What Marx thought of is only possible (for a hypothetical more just and fair world), when written on a paper, making it sound logic and fair, without having strong grounds to base them on. This is why these ideas tend to degrade to authoritarism, because from the beginning, you can see there will be certain impositions that are almost impossible to apply to plenty of humanity. You can even become a tyrant yourself, maybe even the worst in all of history, while telling tales and beautiful stories to people, even if you based them on your own feelings of kindness and good. Of course, I'm not advocating for a completely Capitalism society. It's also only an ideal, it can't exist in a similar manner that a fully Communist or a fully Socialist system can't. The world is so complex and has so many nuances that only mixed systems have existed, can exist and will exist in practice in the future.
@RomanianStrongMan
@RomanianStrongMan 11 месяцев назад
Worth pointing out that so many works remained incomplete in Marx’s life because of how active he was as a journalist and political organiser. Opponents will say he never worked a day in his life, but work was a huge part of why his literature was largely published and completed posthumously
@Domionico
@Domionico 6 месяцев назад
Marx's opponents could not conceptualize work if it's not for profit. Creating the international, political activity, thinking and writing to them is not work.
@TheMightyShell
@TheMightyShell Год назад
It is so challenging to learn anything about Marxism. Not what others say about Marxism. -- I highly suggest people read Marx, Engels, and at least Lenin directly.
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
I have, and I'm still not buying it. The chief problems for most people are quite simple: a) the sheer volume of material, and b) the style of it. Marx was a German and German speakers can produce quite turgid prose even in translation. It's not something one would ever read for enjoyment, and it's certainly not infallible.
@TheMightyShell
@TheMightyShell Год назад
@@thursoberwick1948 a) No real way around that. Get into any critical field of work and you will find an overwhelming amount of content to digest. b) Marx, sure. but Lenin? Lenin's writing is downright hilarious at times, and almost continually engaging
@rosecity_chris
@rosecity_chris Год назад
Always frustrated at getting called a sheep by people who have completely bought in to the capitalist grift
@ogkush09
@ogkush09 Год назад
…and mindlessly follow orders of their superiors 👍
@beltonite2243
@beltonite2243 Год назад
So actually you're frustrated by the sheep.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Год назад
@@beltonite2243 Casual reminder that sheep are herded by threatening to kill them. To call people who fall for propaganda "sheep" is disrespectful to actual sheep.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Год назад
@@arkology_city Because you won't read the context, or you can't comprehend it. That just makes you ignorant, probably willfully so. "We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy. "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible." In that context, "owned by the state" and the rest literally means that the proletariat organized as the ruling class will control those things. The proletariat, which must "win the battle of democracy" and do things to move away from the capitalist (i.e. top-down) AND FEUDAL systems (because fuedalism was a common thing in his time). If you can't comprehend the difference between a traditional state and what is being described there, then you're not even trying to understand, but are instead trying to find anything you can to support your narrative, especially by decontextualizing it. This is not the only place Marx explained that the movement was not a statist one, but required that the whole of the working class (not just a tiny "vanguard" part of it) take over the administration of the state as the ruling class. Read "Conspectus on Bakunin's Statism and Anarchy" if you don't accept that notion. Marx was very clear that he was advocating for common worker control as in a workers' cooperative factory, not state control as you confidently proclaim. Or don't read anything but what you want to see, and continue spouting BS. Up to you.
@eduardoserpa1682
@eduardoserpa1682 Год назад
I'm happy I managed to scroll down the comments for a while without finding people having a complete meltdown over an honest portrayal of Marx's ideas. Great job, as usually!
@partydean17
@partydean17 Год назад
I mean how does Michael get away with saying Marx didn't call for violence when he says taking by force is the only way? Or how does Michael say Marx doesn't describe the utopia but then a minute later explains what will be abolished. Idk he just says things and then contradicts it but the optimistic energy just carries through the big scary changes we should criticize
@Independent97
@Independent97 Год назад
​@@partydean17 Let me guess, when you pay taxes, do you consider that to be "violence" against you because it's "by force"?
@partydean17
@partydean17 Год назад
@@Independent97 kinda since the government is so corrupt and large. But I see good uses of the taxes as well that I appreciate. I'm fine with pooling our money together for police, rules being upheld and the poorly managed but still present infrastructure.
@eduardoserpa1682
@eduardoserpa1682 Год назад
@@partydean17 Idk what to say if you think that very simple definition of communism is enough of a description to structure a society around. It's way too broad, and every country did it with very different means and goals that made more sense to their material situation (even contradicting some of those broad ideas in the short/medium run). Another fun fact: a lot of the communist revolutions actually had very little bloodshed until after the national bourgeoisie got international support to fight back after people had already seized power. They had the option to peacefully become workers themselves (many did!), so violence isn't inherent to the process.
@partydean17
@partydean17 Год назад
@@eduardoserpa1682 aight well we love watching South Americans try it every so often I'll have my popcorn ready to watch the utopia
@robv.8676
@robv.8676 Год назад
Some theory reading suggestions to get started: 1. The Principles of Communism - Friederich Engels 2. Socialism: Utopian and Scientific - Friederich Engels 3. Wage Labour and Capital - Karl Marx 4. Value, Price and Profit - Karl Marx 5. Critique of the Gotha Program - Karl Marx Bonus material: 6. State and Revolution - Vladimir Lenin 7. Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Vladimir Lenin
@felix4596
@felix4596 Год назад
The moment you mentioned turning flax into Linen into coats, I started to get Kapital PTSD.
@slavic_bog_warlock
@slavic_bog_warlock Год назад
I feel like most of the people today who use "Marxism" as a scare word have never bothered to even open one of Marx's books
@raven-sf3di
@raven-sf3di Год назад
Do they need to read the book , when they can look at the creepy things that Marxists do ... Isn't that right comrade And that word summarises why the system is bad ,it basically dehumanises the worker and basically turns them into exchangeable objects , You see this in politics, one of the first things left wing parties do is have new censorship laws to control who can speak. It also doesn't take into account humans forming cliques or bulling
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
I've read plenty of his writings. The man was an absolutist, pseudo-scientist and a racist. He was not some infallible prophet.
@stephendaley266
@stephendaley266 Год назад
@thursoberwick1948 Exactly what someone who has never read anything would say... Coincidence? I think the lady doth protest too much!
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
@@stephendaley266 If you wish to pursue ad hominems, let me ask you another question. Are you treating Marx as infallible? As a Marxist, you do not believe in the supernatural, and more in the history of the mass than the individual. Therefore he cannot be the equivalent of a prophet in a religion and he will be the product of his times and the processes around him. (The latter notion is very much central to Marx's own ideas by the way.) So is Marx 100% correct and infallible? Or is he not 100% correct and infallible? If the latter, which parts do you think are incorrect and why? Why would you criticise anyone for pointing out his faults if you do not believe in him having some kind of divine infallibility?
@stephendaley266
@stephendaley266 Год назад
@thursoberwick1948 Are you at all familiar with Isaac Newton and Newtonian physics? Newtonian physics explains a lot about the physical world around us, but has serious limitations because of how long ago it was developed. It has been superceded by particle physics and quantum physics. Even so, Newtonian physics is still taught in school because it explains so much about basic physics. The same is true for Marxian economics. It explains the economics of 19th century industrial Capitalism very well. It doesn't explain global supply chains and financialization because those concepts hadn't been invented when Marx was writing Das Capital. Marxism is still incredibly useful in understanding basic economics and the underlying power imbalance implied in most financial transactions. You would understand this if you weren't so stupid. Good luck, kid!
@alphacause
@alphacause Год назад
LOL! While watching this video, at little over the halfway point, I was shown an advertisement for a book by the economist Thomas Sowell - one of the most strident opponents of Marxism, and someone who demonizes nearly all aspects of modern culture as stemming from Marxism. You got to love the RU-vid algorithm.
@Biscuitsdefortune
@Biscuitsdefortune Год назад
I got a crypto ad at the begginning, also funny.
@TheLavachild
@TheLavachild Год назад
Sowell was a former Marxist as well.
@stop.juststop
@stop.juststop Год назад
Sowell is so much better than Marx.
@DRKTROOPER15
@DRKTROOPER15 Год назад
Sowell is based
@flyingphoenix113
@flyingphoenix113 Год назад
Sowell is an infinitely better read than Marx.
@SeamusCameron
@SeamusCameron Год назад
I like how you worked the most notorious meme from Das Kapital into the video without triggering the mandatory eye glaze phenomenon when reading about quantities of bolts of fabric and the transformative properties of labor.
@AceFromGorillaz
@AceFromGorillaz Год назад
Marx's biggest haters are those who haven't read a single line
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
This is usually the case.
@darkprince56
@darkprince56 Год назад
I guess he's just been misunderstood all those times his ideas have been used to justify oppression, starvation, state sponsored murder & all around misery.
@michaelwilliamson4759
@michaelwilliamson4759 Год назад
@@WisecrackEDU Marx's biggest idolizers are those who haven't actually read his works and attempt to digest anything he is actually saying... But will only listen to other Pro-Marx idolizers that will intentionally leave out his calls for the annihilation of the " bourgeoisie" and pure terror in order for his "great ideas" to be established.. Which almost always leads to mass murder of classes and races that are deemed a threat to the dictatorship of the proletariat.. Regardless if they are "working class." Annihilation of the "bourgeoisie" and pure terror ---> What Marx called "Revolutionary Holocaust."
@BidenAKAP3D0Peter
@BidenAKAP3D0Peter Год назад
Most of Marx's fanboys haven't read his material either. If Karl's book "On the Jewish Question" was more well read, there would be far fewer Marxists in this world.
@AceFromGorillaz
@AceFromGorillaz Год назад
@@BidenAKAP3D0Peter have you read it? Because what you're implying about it makes it clear you haven't
@felipescalisegaspar6801
@felipescalisegaspar6801 Год назад
Somewhere Marx defines his method, dialetics, as inherently critical and revolutionary. I love to think of a theory that dictates its own limits and transcendence, a continuous movement that captures the real world in its reflection and is never complete but always completing. ps. would love a video on dialetics, recommend immensely the Brazilian author Alvaro Vieira Pinto!
@donatopirrod
@donatopirrod Год назад
It's not an idea, it's a reasonable possibility that has not arrived in a reasonable form yet.
@vassilyvodka2638
@vassilyvodka2638 Год назад
If you want to go further into dialectics I recommend you to read Hegel where he got the idea from.
@sandrocosta479
@sandrocosta479 Год назад
​@@vassilyvodka2638he didn't "got the idea from Hegel" he inverted Hegel. You're welcome
@apoema42
@apoema42 Год назад
Marx wouldn't want for the Wisecrack Team to own the Channel, he would want the team to own RU-vid.
@WisecrackEDU
@WisecrackEDU Год назад
we'll take it.
@paulmfennelly1047
@paulmfennelly1047 Год назад
Shouldn't that be everyone to own RU-vid? It would be a shame to take it from Google, give it to Michael and turn him into a soulless, bourgeois, internet mogul. This would be regrettably ironic given the content of this great video.
@edumazieri
@edumazieri Год назад
@@paulmfennelly1047 I'm not sure workers owning of the means production should mean ALL workers own ALL the means of production.
@rowanwilliams1548
@rowanwilliams1548 Год назад
@Wisecrack can you please do a video "on the jewish question" by karl marx and then ask again who is afraid of marx?? Like kinda big deal to just gloss over
@apoema42
@apoema42 Год назад
@@edumazieri In practice it meant the government own the means of production and you don't get to vote. Which is less than ideal.
@kongkunin
@kongkunin Год назад
Great video, love the break downs of the various philosophy topics you all cover
@haydenvanmeeteren5127
@haydenvanmeeteren5127 Год назад
Forget the profit. Most businesses take years to break even. It costs money and takes risk to start a business.
@MegaCoolDrool
@MegaCoolDrool Год назад
The goal of every business is to either extract profit, or reinvest that profit back into itself in order to attract investors, who inflate the value of the owner/shareholder class. Just because not every business can do it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. And the only real risk to starting a business is that you will fail and become a worker again. That is why it's called limited liability; the owner's liability for debt or risks is literally limited.
@thursoberwick1948
@thursoberwick1948 Год назад
​@@MegaCoolDroolBusinesses also exist to lose money in some cases, or act as shell companies.
@ZaoStrength
@ZaoStrength Год назад
Could Marx help us understand the world we are living in? Yes.
@barbiquearea
@barbiquearea Год назад
It can help us understand how his philosophy has failed time and again with disastrous results.
@iotaayushshrivastava114
@iotaayushshrivastava114 Год назад
@@barbiquearea oh for that we gotta learn about sweet CIA
@ZaoStrength
@ZaoStrength Год назад
@@barbiquearea no. Lol.
@ishangupta2380
@ishangupta2380 Год назад
Yes, he can help make you understand the world, if you are a massive idiot who can't grasp complex subjects. It is because of idiots like you that so many people still suffer in this world.
@Aelvir114
@Aelvir114 Год назад
@@barbiqueareaalmost like he has no qualification on this dead about economy when all he did was freeload of his parents and never actually worked a day in his life. Truly a man that understand’s a workers’ struggles.
@shortourt14
@shortourt14 Год назад
Marx recognized that capitalist labor was making people less free. His goal was greater equality, not less. Keep in mind he's writing in the middle of England's Industrial Revolution, just after England abolished slavery. As such, the awareness of exploited labor was pretty poignant (hence: the Revolutions of 1848) . Everyone agreed wage labor looked pretty similar to slavery (their own comparison, not mine) but they thought the creation of labor-saving machines and new technology would make people MORE equal, spoiler...it did the opposite.
@thomashenry4798
@thomashenry4798 Год назад
The disciples of Ludd (Luddites) werent afraid of technology. They smashed the machines because they correctly recognized that their implementation would mean their impoverishment, enslavement, and the destruction of their way of life. They smashed them because they were expensive and meant a lot to the factory bosses. Looms were welcomed, so long as their introduction benefited them and did not result in them being thrown away like trash. But the only thing they heralded were greater profits. Ultimately, the disciples of Ned Ludd were thrown away like trash, and they are mocked in common society to this day. Synonymous with being afraid of advancing technology. When in truth the only thing they feared was their impending death if they were unable to adapt to the looms.
@puddleglum9179
@puddleglum9179 Год назад
@@thomashenry4798 to be fair, stoping technological progress is impossible. They should have focused their attention on the factors that would made the adoption of the new technologies harmful, not the technologies themselves.
@Flux_40
@Flux_40 Год назад
@@puddleglum9179 how could they have done that ? your comment sounds like a loaded question.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Год назад
@@thomashenry4798 So you're saying they weren't afraid of technological advancement, they were just too stupid to understand their own concerns in order to formulate an actual reasonable course of action.
@dontmisunderstand6041
@dontmisunderstand6041 Год назад
@@Flux_40 If the problem at hand is "bad people will hurt me if these machines exist", destroying the machines doesn't solve the problem at all. Destroying those bad people might.
@artistradio
@artistradio Год назад
One thing I must hard disagree on Marx is the end of specialization. I don't want someone who spends most of their time at a rabbit shelter to operate on me nor do I want someone to be on an airplane with a jack-of-all trades.
@com.grenate
@com.grenate Год назад
The end of specialization that Marx was talking about was nothing but how factories make people not work on creating the whole product start to finish, but instead have people do one specific task over and over and over again. Like in a car factory, one guy just installs the windows all day every day. This person will feel alienated from the work as he does not get to see the end result of his labor, and will also get extremely bored and therefor unhappy. The other thing this will result in is that people won’t have actual skills they build. Being able to assemble an entire car is a skill, but being able to screw on the bolts of the wheels just isn’t.
@neeniesims9980
@neeniesims9980 Год назад
Great video as always!! Given the recent events I’d love to see you make a video about the titanic submersible accident and the public’s response to it. Like how the lens of class frames our moral response to such a tragedy
@robsalem685
@robsalem685 Год назад
In the mid 2010’s The School of Life introduced a lot of people to Marxism. Unintentionally inspiring a lot of people to actually read Marxist theory like Das Kapital, putting a good number of people on a path to become class conscious today especially after events that came after 2016. Now today in 2023 people have this (far superior) Wisecrack video to introduce them to Marxism. Here’s hope this will lead many young people to be inspired to actually read Marx’s work.
@drakedargon9681
@drakedargon9681 Год назад
I like both videos, but I find the “far superior” descriptor to be very strange. School of Life videos are very well researched and put together.
@ManOnCouch
@ManOnCouch Год назад
​@@drakedargon9681I disagree, I think Big Joel's video on School of Life made me reconsider my view on the channel
@JaseekaRawr
@JaseekaRawr Год назад
@@ManOnCouch yeah that was a great video, but little joel makes better content
@ManOnCouch
@ManOnCouch Год назад
@@JaseekaRawr That's fair but personally I think medium Joel is better than the other two
@donatopirrod
@donatopirrod Год назад
I was one of those n*ggas
@shybard
@shybard Год назад
"Bougie bitches gonna bouge."-Marx To clarify, this is from his sophomore album, known most commonly as Das No Cap. But a true fan like me knows that it was originally titled The Grundrisse, a Critique of Dat Ass. It was his last good album. After DNC, he started getting really commercial. Dude sold out hard.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
That's when he made Marxy Marx and the Commie Bunch, right?
@abelabel3664
@abelabel3664 Год назад
Great video! Could you consider making a video on the criticism Marx suffered (from both Marxists and non-Marxists) about his industrialism and alleged lack of perspective on environmentalism? This notion has been revisited nowadays with the (relatively) recent publishing of some of his texts, with authors like Kohei Saito showing that Marx actually did have consideration for (some proto) environmentalism and that part of the issue was that Engels did not understand/share his viewpoints, and he was the one responsible for editing and publishing Das Kapital. Anyway, just a suggestion.
@NawiComposer
@NawiComposer 9 месяцев назад
the "metabolic rift" is a really important concept in vol 3. And Engels's "the condition of the english working class in england" talked about the enviromental pollution and bad quality air reducing the life of workers. Many modern analysis from Ecosocialists say that the enviromental question was fundamental for the development of their dialectical materialist thought, and you can see the seeds of ecosocialism in their writings. History is complex, and their work is often recovered and analized (or even understood) way way later in time by other people, with their own contributions and analysis, just like us. The external and internal crisis during Stalinism shot down many internal debates that would have enriched even more the marxist ecological though. The "Biosphere" is a term coined by soviet scientists, Lenin created massive natural reserves (Zapovédnik) during the expropiation of lands. "Soviet Ecology" is a full area of study.
@DenisRicardo
@DenisRicardo Год назад
The editor’s graphics this episode were particularly funny. Also, lots of Trotsky… that’s cool.
@soratoyuki
@soratoyuki Год назад
I'm really digging all the comments already calling the video wrong when it hasn't even been uploaded long enough to be watched.
@GeorgeCowsert
@GeorgeCowsert Год назад
Because WhatifaltHist's video on Communism as a whole is a far more clear and concise dissection of the Communist, Socialist, and Marxist religions.
@hollandscottthomas
@hollandscottthomas Год назад
@@GeorgeCowsert All three of these are economic models, not religions.
@chargyisonline7790
@chargyisonline7790 Год назад
@@GeorgeCowsert WhatIfAlthist is unironically a nazi fanboy
@soratoyuki
@soratoyuki Год назад
@@GeorgeCowsert "religions" lol.
@lostboy8084
@lostboy8084 Год назад
Actually you can comment on a few things
@JachymorDota
@JachymorDota Год назад
Remember, when in the Disney cartoon series "Recess" basecall cards became a currency and T.J. became a Tycoon by letting others do his work, but gave them less cards than he got in return? Yeah, if you can understand that episode, you understand the Capital.
@xXRickTrolledXx
@xXRickTrolledXx Год назад
That episode of recess is definitely informed my personal beliefs. That and the Strike episode of SpongeBob.
@Lambda_Ovine
@Lambda_Ovine Год назад
this is, no joke, one of the best introductory videos to Marxism (and even communism as it explicitly not being "state owns everything") I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few by people with multiple political motives
@sasho_b.
@sasho_b. Год назад
Wow, a good introduction to Marx is... introducing Marx, wow, you telling me portraying him as a lazy baby-eating redskined jew is intellectually dishonest? Damn, fr? On God? On God, fr fr? Do you feel the sarcasm or should i add another "on god"?
@sasho_b.
@sasho_b. Год назад
(RU-vid notifications bad, im spamming so you read this)
@mateoescobar9968
@mateoescobar9968 Год назад
Really solid intro video, you should do more stuff like this… if you’re able to of course lol
@danilovuksanovic4912
@danilovuksanovic4912 Год назад
I have to commend you Wisecrack, Its a noble thing to use your platform to inform people about this subject. The youtube algorithm is merciless and a big channel like yours clearing propaganda is worthy of praise. Keep it up comrades
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
Marxism is a red fascist failure that murders millions of its own people in order to put control of all of society into the hands of THE CONGRESS. A well-known noble and omnipotent organization! /s
@timmy-wj2hc
@timmy-wj2hc Год назад
Workers of the World, Unite!!!
@oak_a
@oak_a Год назад
word
@EuCoruja
@EuCoruja Год назад
Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains.
@frentz7
@frentz7 Год назад
That was really well done. Thank you.
@solidt9626
@solidt9626 9 месяцев назад
this was an awesome video essay. i needed this.
@Comradedax1988
@Comradedax1988 Год назад
I'm happy with the direction this channel is taking.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@joex8au04
@joex8au04 Год назад
Left?
@kohga1374
@kohga1374 Год назад
⁠​⁠@@arkology_city I think you’re entirely missing the point. He explained that Marx was describing a way to look at the world, and some potential solutions for the world during his time. We can recognize the criticisms of the capitalist employee-employer power dynamic and analyze our current material conditions using hindsight as well, and try to come up with ways to make the world a better place. People act like capitalism is the end of history, that it’s just going to be capitalist forever. They said that about feudalism too. I’m optimistic that building a better world is possible, and there’s all kinds of new and interesting ideas for how that might be done.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
@@arkology_city @arkology_city "...in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class." Did you not actually read the next paragraph? I presume you didn't. Or, if you did, I presume you have limited reading comprehension. Supposing you have sufficient reading comprehension to grok what is being said there, I can only assume that your arguments are in terrible faith, and are innately subversive, or are engrained in your psyche after years of indoctrinal teachings. But all right... let's presume that you just have a primary-school level of reading comprehension. Allow me: the state would be a temporary apparatus, meant to transition, by granting power to humans, rather than corporate conglomerates and the rich people who get more rich by virtue of already being rich... generally, by birthright. Once the apparatus has served the purpose of giving the power to the people, the apparatus of the state becomes largely redundant, as the people have the power. This, in effect, means that to transition, the final act would be to disband the state, or at least, the parts of the state that concern themselves with the needs of the owner class and the working class, as the classes no longer exist, and there are just people. There, I did the hard work of interpreting it for you, because you couldn't actually read more than just the one word, and got stuck on it.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
@@arkology_city Is my copy-paste response getting annoying yet? I clearly put more thought into it than yours, at least.
@johncullen5129
@johncullen5129 Год назад
“The hellish vapours rise and fill the brain Till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me For me he beats the time and gives the signs. Ever more boldly, I play the dance of death.” -Marx Guy also knew how to write poetry.
@justinjacobs1501
@justinjacobs1501 Год назад
Dude would have loved metal...
@OmbreDunDouble
@OmbreDunDouble Год назад
When an engels meet the devil, the red sky is not too far 🌟
@RuneDrageon
@RuneDrageon Год назад
@@OmbreDunDouble Ok, thats funny.
@TAP7a
@TAP7a Год назад
​@@justinjacobs1501it very much reads like a Manowar or Gloryhammer lyric, something from the goofier end
@rikusauske
@rikusauske Год назад
But could he have written 9-5?
@elle_joe
@elle_joe Год назад
Thanks wisecrack for that valueable content. One question, could you include a literature reference list in the description ?
@tayabazat2687
@tayabazat2687 10 месяцев назад
1.Capital 2. Capital in 21c 3.comunist manifesto 4.karl Marx by Isaya Berlin
@Nemesisnxt
@Nemesisnxt Год назад
The premise that capitalism is a zero sum game is wrong.
@Cienfuegos.
@Cienfuegos. Год назад
Nobody thinks that capitalism is a zero sum game. It is an inherently exploitative system which perpetuates class conflict and is predicated upon a requisite amount of suffering in order to function properly.
@jacksonrocks4259
@jacksonrocks4259 Год назад
“Editors note: wait a minute…” absolutely killed me
@BigHomieGayAss1917
@BigHomieGayAss1917 Год назад
There’s a spectre haunting Europe…who you gonna call?
@JohnSmith-ef2rn
@JohnSmith-ef2rn Год назад
I think Marx is worth studying, and even if I disagree with some of his conclusions I respect the insight he had into how he analysed the economic structures of his time. Much of what he said back then still does apply to today. My issue isn't necessarily with Marx, it's with the people who came after. And although modern day communists and socialists will swear up and down that they are NOT like the Soviets, or the Khmer Rouge or Maoist China.... they tend to use the same language, flags and symbols, which sort of generates suspicion. You'd think if their real goal was to convince people to become communist or socialist, they'd do away with the symbols that were often used by some very bad societies, but curiously, they don't. They also refuse to update their jargon and their language - instead insisting that everyone else learn new definitions. I often get the feeling that the communists and the hard-core socialists almost don't want to win. They're so invested in being the "misunderstood, downtrodden outsiders struggling against the ignorant masses and their evil masters" that genuine understanding and better PR would actually damage their moral. If they made their concepts more accessible and easily understood, they'd probably be mortified because then they couldn't pretend they were intellectually superior to "the sheep". It's hard to take a communist seriously when they say "We're NOTHING like the USSR" when they're waving around a sickle and hammer flag and shouting "COMRADE". If you don't want people to think that.... maybe stop doing those things? But if the actual goal is to wrap yourselves in the aesthetics of the movement and gain "outsider cred", then by all means, keep on using terms and symbols that many don't understand, or detest. Because I have the sneaking suspicion that for many communists, being effective isn't really the goal. Feeling good about being a "revolutionary" is the actual goal.
@Cienfuegos.
@Cienfuegos. Год назад
I don’t take those people seriously either. The ussr and mao’s china were good, although the Khmer Rouge objectively weren’t socialist. “Socialists” who disagree are not really socialists. It seems you are only familiar with western, unserious marxists, stereotypical upper-middle class college students who think that they’re a socialist just because they like bernie sanders (not a socialist). Most marxist movements around the globe are deeply serious, populist groups who actively fight for the liberation of the working class.
@OblivionOdditiesProjectStudios
I'm a UX Researcher, UX & Game designer, & creative content writer. I'm a High Functioning Autistic Savant! I've been studying game & UX design for almost 20 years! I have a lot of knowledge & understanding about how a lot of things work because my whole job is to essentially use meta data to manipulate & control how you're feeling to give you the experience you want. I have been listening to what EVERYONE in EVERY field of art has been saying, complaining about, & hoping for. Not only that but listening to ALL OF YOU!!! Then I decided to build a company around what was needed! Based on what EVERYONE was LITERALLY asking & hoping for. It's not your average entertainment company! It's an entertainment production company designed as a UNION with a PUNK theme! But everyone is caught in this negative feedback loop that's forcing EVERYONE TO EXPERIENCE BURNOUT! I'm going to try to explain this simply. So, we all know that corporations use the money WE give them to bend the laws into their favour. When we protest these things they normally don't last long & are done in short bursts. They know that they'll win no matter what cause at the end of the day, your only option is to give the lesser of evils your money. There isn't a "Good Corporation" to be an option. They know this is a negative feedback loop to make people feel burned out & demotivation. Here are the steps in how they did this. Okay, so, get this: A.) They trigger burnout. It's a Demotivational feeling that you get when you're feeling overwhelmed as a survival mechanism to get you to not take on too much for you to handle & force you to recharge your batteries. B.) The compounding consistent psychology that's used on you every day is destroying your decision-making energies. Your brain uses mushrooms & sugar as fuel for your mental processing & growth. That's why kids love sugar SO MUCH & why you slowly lose your sweet-tooth over the years cause your brain fully matures just before 30 years old. C.) A part of you knows that your money is going to help the creators that produce your favourite entertainment. The other part knows that you're giving money to your oppressors. These are subconsciously battling cause you want to be a good person naturally & you're being forced to choose the lesser of evils. It's been proven that morally difficult choices drain us the most. D.) Everyone uses game theory subconsciously to try & better their outcomes. We have to survive cause of how much harder things are getting because of big corporations making things harder for us. This means our brains have to work harder to survive & stay alive. E.) Because money is required for survival, you feel bad subconsciously about getting something & then not using it. It takes a while for that to build enough to get to the surface. 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Republicans are trying to remove child labor laws. They are trying to bring back segregation which will tear my family apart. tRump is planning on running for office again & has a legitimate chance of winning. What company is going to go out of its way to stop this from happening? You can find more information about all the content & company under the name Oblivion Oddities Project Studios.
@barkobama7385
@barkobama7385 Год назад
"I never said that" - Karl Marx
@xXRickTrolledXx
@xXRickTrolledXx Год назад
Far funnier than it has any right to be.
@AFoxForThought
@AFoxForThought Год назад
Marx was a scientist, economics, and philosopher. I feel that he's one of the most misunderstood people in history.
@Ray-mj5mj
@Ray-mj5mj Год назад
I'm trying to remember the last country that definitively benefited from his ideas, but I got nothing.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
Did he actually paid for his studies or he just was a fraud homeless that got popular because of rich friends?
@RuneDrageon
@RuneDrageon Год назад
@@Ray-mj5mj Have you ever met an economist? Marxes theory of value is one of the most foundational things to modern economics, the booms and busts of your country are due to his work.
@breakingboundaries3950
@breakingboundaries3950 Год назад
@@Ray-mj5mj both China and Russia benefitted *massively* from Marx’s ideas ? The first 20 years within implementing communism brought them onto the world stage.
@joshuahall1581
@joshuahall1581 Год назад
@@Ray-mj5mj His ideas span larger than just an opaque definition given by some novice philosopher druggie riddled on benzos such as Jordan Peterson.
@star3catcherSEQUEL
@star3catcherSEQUEL Год назад
"Who's afraid of Marx?" Engels' wallet.
@czar6203
@czar6203 Год назад
Try read “the Jewish question” by Marx. Everything will start to unravel.
@ilovemesomme
@ilovemesomme Год назад
Strange that all of these GOP politicians don’t believe in the 2nd amendment like Karl Marx did.
@throwfascistsintopits3062
@throwfascistsintopits3062 Год назад
And are GOP Marxist?
@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield
@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield Год назад
Amen
@matthewkopp2391
@matthewkopp2391 Год назад
@@throwfascistsintopits3062 The GOP are not Marxist, but GOP pundits often employ Marxist arguments while calling Marx and Marxism evil. The Marxist arguments are often then steered towards an irrational conclusion. The most obvious example is immigration. Some arguments made are nearly word for word similar to Engels and Lenin to such a degree I don’t think it’s an accident. In fact, when GOP pundits go overboard even CATO and Mises foundation has enough intellectual integrity to call such pundits idiots.
@zsedc4
@zsedc4 Год назад
The more I learn about Marx, the more I want a world that might resemble his vague ideas about the world.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@fan9775
@fan9775 Год назад
I suggest reading some Lenin. State and Revolution is a good read.
@dialectixemcee2428
@dialectixemcee2428 Год назад
@@arkology_city wut, where
@BenjaminWalburn
@BenjaminWalburn Год назад
​@@arkology_citylie better. Marxism is about collective ownership of the means of production, and a state made up of the working class for the sake of the working class. The Marxist state is fundamentally different than the capitalist state, and trying to simplify it to "state-owned" only reveals you as a fool.
@dinglesworld
@dinglesworld Год назад
@@arkology_cityI mean all you have to do is point to his written words. Where can we find evidence that disproves his bold lie?
@puraneshi
@puraneshi Год назад
We value democracy so much. But more than half of our waking hours are spent in a regime where voting and democracy is just not a thing.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
Democracy is the worst system ever and the path to tyranny by the power of the majority. We live in a constitutional representative republic.
@NinthSettler
@NinthSettler Год назад
the US proletariat almost did band together to overthrow the bourgeoisie during the great depression
@connorhillen
@connorhillen Год назад
Sounds like every RU-vid channel should reform as a worker's co-operative loudly and in a way that inspires future creators and entrepreneurs to follow suit.
@shockmethodx
@shockmethodx Год назад
Thanks, Burns. Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Editor; you're the real star of the channel.
@cre8erz
@cre8erz Год назад
Fantastic video !!
@wladimir.Quiroz
@wladimir.Quiroz Год назад
The biggest problme with Marx is that the value of the product is given by the same people, not by the burgueses. By knowing that, the whole Marx theory falls apart.
@BoomKing72
@BoomKing72 Год назад
Wisecrack getting more and more based with every upload
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state. Dictatorship of the Proletariat? Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss, as was the case with the Bolsheviks and every other Marxist "revolution". By design. It is why the power-hungry are always Marxists. They lure you in with false promises of prosperity, when really it is an ideology of fascist power.
@chazlewis8114
@chazlewis8114 Год назад
biased*
@BoomKing72
@BoomKing72 Год назад
@@chazlewis8114 did you watch the video dumb fuck or is this your knee-jerk reaction to anything that portrays socialism in a neutral or positive light?
@Large_Gigungus
@Large_Gigungus Год назад
​@@chazlewis8114no u
@seoulstories753
@seoulstories753 Год назад
Thank you, Wisecrack! And I like that you included Malta in the stock footage
@HigherMammal
@HigherMammal 11 месяцев назад
Marx and Lenin. Flax and Linen. There's a joke here somewhere but I'm not quite clever enough...
@whybegin1285
@whybegin1285 11 месяцев назад
radicalize the youth wisecrack please someones gotta do it
@winterburden
@winterburden Год назад
Marx is the monster we need, comrades.
@spencer1980
@spencer1980 Год назад
No, I need put that part of me away. It's been a very long couple of years though.
@azurblau4144
@azurblau4144 Год назад
a dude who planned to write 4 books and only came around to write 1?
@Dis_Dis
@Dis_Dis Год назад
​@@azurblau4144Bad writing schedule was his downfall
@GamingPandaCat
@GamingPandaCat Год назад
If abolishing showers gets us closer to better living conditions then showers be damned.
@ziptink1710
@ziptink1710 Год назад
@@Dis_Dis apparently the German police (of the day) who were assigned to surveil him saw him drinking a lotta red wine with Engels and writing the manifesto in a fit of drunken confidence. Much like myself at university. Relatable guy. He really hits the nail on the head though, yeah? Das Capital is the one with the meaty economic theory behind it.
@colonelweird
@colonelweird Год назад
Definitely one of my favorite Wisecrack videos and one of the best basic discussions of Marx I've seen on youtube. I think one implication of these ideas (at least as I understand them) could have been made explicit in the video: using Marx as a tool for understanding the current situation, with the goal of making things better for everyone, will necessarily lead to a politics of revolution. That does not necessarily mean a Leninist or Maoist style revolution. But it certainly means radically altering society so that the powerful are stripped of power. And they won't be too likely to go along with the change happily. So they will do everything they can to co-opt and distract us (which I think is a major reason so much of modern pop culture, journalism, and politics work the way they do). But if that fails, crushing violence by the capitalist state will be directed against anyone who advocates for change -- as history from the German revolution to the Black Panthers shows so clearly. We need to be figuring out ways to deal with that.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
@arkology_city "...in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class." Did you not actually read the next paragraph? I presume you didn't. Or, if you did, I presume you have limited reading comprehension. Supposing you have sufficient reading comprehension to grok what is being said there, I can only assume that your arguments are in terrible faith, and are innately subversive, or are engrained in your psyche after years of indoctrinal teachings. But all right... let's presume that you just have a primary-school level of reading comprehension. Allow me: the state would be a temporary apparatus, meant to transition, by granting power to humans, rather than corporate conglomerates and the rich people who get more rich by virtue of already being rich... generally, by birthright. Once the apparatus has served the purpose of giving the power to the people, the apparatus of the state becomes largely redundant, as the people have the power. This, in effect, means that to transition, the final act would be to disband the state, or at least, the parts of the state that concern themselves with the needs of the owner class and the working class, as the classes no longer exist, and there are just people. There, I did the hard work of interpreting it for you, because you couldn't actually read more than just the one word, and got stuck on it.
@juanbrocca7020
@juanbrocca7020 Год назад
Cold War and the Red Scare sure worked wonders in the US, and also here in Operation Condor lands. We don't want another one, please guys
@seanharrison3504
@seanharrison3504 Год назад
I. Love. Work. It’s really all I want. No need for this “human time.” Sounds like a terrible waste of time, and it could increase the terrifying idea of “feeling feelings.” Egads. What a nightmare. Hard pass.
@DefnitelyNotFred
@DefnitelyNotFred Год назад
Love these in-depth raw philosophy, keep them coming!!!
@thundertress6273
@thundertress6273 Год назад
Amazing video! Hasta la vitoria sempre!
@pontefit4447
@pontefit4447 2 месяца назад
Most people I seen critiquing Marx including myself, don’t know what he actually proposes
@TheDavelogan
@TheDavelogan Год назад
Thanks Wisecrack, this is a great video. I come from a family that is usually receptive to new ideas. It has been interesting compared to my partner's family, who are very successful business people. Her father recently explained to her brother that unions are a good thing, because they can help the individual increase their own capital. Initially her brother was anti-union because he interpreted it as being "communist". Hopefully more people can see this video and become aware of how Marx's ideas can benefit society and not just be used to create a totalitarian hell.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@SeanJMay
@SeanJMay Год назад
@arkology_city "...in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class." Did you not actually read the next paragraph? I presume you didn't. Or, if you did, I presume you have limited reading comprehension. Supposing you have sufficient reading comprehension to grok what is being said there, I can only assume that your arguments are in terrible faith, and are innately subversive, or are engrained in your psyche after years of indoctrinal teachings. But all right... let's presume that you just have a primary-school level of reading comprehension. Allow me: the state would be a temporary apparatus, meant to transition, by granting power to humans, rather than corporate conglomerates and the rich people who get more rich by virtue of already being rich... generally, by birthright. Once the apparatus has served the purpose of giving the power to the people, the apparatus of the state becomes largely redundant, as the people have the power. This, in effect, means that to transition, the final act would be to disband the state, or at least, the parts of the state that concern themselves with the needs of the owner class and the working class, as the classes no longer exist, and there are just people. There, I did the hard work of interpreting it for you, because you couldn't actually read more than just the one word, and got stuck on it.
@username5127
@username5127 11 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@SeanJMayThe ruling class just sweeps away all concept of class ?Sounds like a really big hand wave. I think history has told us that the ruling class will stay in power because of how they justify it to themselves as having the eternal need to suppress the rebels by force and propaganda.
@NE-BO
@NE-BO Год назад
"my hermise got the whole mine running so efficiently, all the labor was done by one Australian man" One of my fave lines from that episode
@xXRickTrolledXx
@xXRickTrolledXx Год назад
One of my favorite lines in that season.
@tovjuca-nr5yu
@tovjuca-nr5yu Год назад
7:48 For me, one of the best practical demonstrations of this is when I ask people if the government has the purpose to serve the ones who elect it. We all know that, in practice, this is definitively not a priority.
@felipecagorago
@felipecagorago Год назад
You guys should do something about the work of Frantz Fanon, I think it would be a good sequence to this video :)
@Orrphoiz
@Orrphoiz Год назад
Thank you for providing an actual explanation of the term "Marxism" to an audience that has been spoonfed anticommunist propaganda for decades. The reason Marxism is currently being vilified much more is that the bourgeoisie is afraid. And for good reason. We're still here. And we outnumber them a million to one.
@jph4889
@jph4889 Год назад
The ruling class of the United States spent an entire century and trillions of dollars desperately trying to make Marxism as taboo as possible and people just fall for and don't question why -- and then they ALSO think they're meaningfully opposing the ruling class. lol
@kotovnikthegreat
@kotovnikthegreat Год назад
Currently in ukraine I assume, outnumbering the capitalist wetern pigs?
@GeorgeCowsert
@GeorgeCowsert Год назад
I'm not afraid of a man who mooched off of his family, never bothered to get a job, and cheated on his wife. I pity him and those who think he is wise. The rich and elite will always have to obey a simple fact about life: you can not rule if you are dead. That is the incentive for a ruling class to at least keep in touch with the plights of the commoners. Those who find ways to get commoners to calm down live, whilst the rest die. Marx was just in a time of economic turmoil, and didn't have the grit to do anything except complain like a child.
@chrishughes3405
@chrishughes3405 Год назад
Wtf George. Ad hominem attacks and then some weird unprovable rambling.
@jph4889
@jph4889 Год назад
@@chrishughes3405 Literally just making shit up. And like who gives a shit about Marx. I'm a Marxist and I literally don't care about Marx WHATSOEVER. These idiots just think Marxism is like -- the worship of Marx -- or something. lol
@AzraNoxx
@AzraNoxx Год назад
Well, it's pretty important to see that Communist states are different from what Marx envisioned in the same way that an officially Christian nation is different from what Christ preached.
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir Год назад
Actual results may vary. Also, the nation's that embraced Marxism (Russia, China) weren't the ones he predicted would (America, Britain).
@throwfascistsintopits3062
@throwfascistsintopits3062 Год назад
Number one mistake: "Communist STATE". Shows you are uneducated on the topic of both marxism AND soviet history.
@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield
@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield Год назад
@@Lonovavirthey also only got as far as state capitalism and welfare state down the barrel of a gun. China is literally regressing from that to social democracy now after Deng.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
They are socialist states, not communist. The burgeoise are the politicians and the totalitarian state, the proletariat is the rest of the population. Now THAT is exploitation. I was watching North Korean youtubers explaining how life is in North Korea and how they left their country, scary AF. Woman aren't even allowed for having unique hair style, pretty bizarre stuff...
@andreishujokin
@andreishujokin Год назад
It's not, Cuba, Korea, China (debatable), the USSR, Lao, Vietnam, Burkina Faso, Albania and others are/were all valid and real socialist experiencies following the Marxism-Leninism ideas
@CtrlAltJon
@CtrlAltJon Год назад
Really good video!
@rosengrenj9
@rosengrenj9 9 месяцев назад
The moment I became a communist was the moment I learned what it actually was
@Crazael
@Crazael Год назад
I've occasionally used "everything is a co-op" to describe Marxism and how it's different from the totalitarian communism we've seen various countries implement.
@Riskofdisconnect
@Riskofdisconnect Год назад
That's a great way to put it. Sadly we're so far removed from the idea of co-ops my dad who got a graduate degree in business and economics had literally never heard of the idea of a co-op until I told him about it. The average person doesn't even know that corporations could exist in any other way.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Год назад
Marx did made Labor Theory of value, which has been debunked by Subjective Theory of value years latter. It's funny how absurd labor theory is. If i like a musical artist, somehow there's exploitation there therefore i shouldn't like it. If i have a dog that i care for him, i'm doing explotation too...
@extremosaur
@extremosaur Год назад
That's because your description doesn't work as a system. At least not in diverse societies. National Socialism had a similar objective and was sustemically more popular, because there was little to no diversity.
@heychrisfox
@heychrisfox Год назад
@@extremosaur Sure it does. It worked for thousands of years before capitalism even existed. To quote the notorious line, “It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.” Also, the nazis did not try to form co-ops of everything; their ruthless methods of consolidation of all economic and industrial assets throughout the country is not forming a co-op, regardless of what terminology they used to describe it. What they were doing was what we know of as a very basic centrally planned economy.
@arkology_city
@arkology_city Год назад
10:20 - Is a bold lie. He left out policy #7, factories are owned by the state. How about #5? Which literally says "monopoly state capitalism"? Even policy #1 is all property is owned by the state and you pay rent to the state.
@arasgarib8525
@arasgarib8525 Год назад
When can we embrace Marxism and finally live in the startrek time line.
@Zahaqiel
@Zahaqiel Год назад
When an academic breaks capitalism by inventing the replicator (but let's be real, private owners of the means of production are going to try to kill that guy).
@charles___
@charles___ Год назад
Lets Be real That startrek timeline via Marxism is impossible its Just another Utopia
@eoin8450
@eoin8450 Год назад
​@@Zahaqiel you're just in luck! Group of Internationalist Communists (GIK) wrote a whole ass book going through a decentralised form of economic planning in the 1930s(?) which also had criticisms of the short comings of economic planning in the USSR (sorry I forgot what the book is called but it should come up if you search for GIK)
@BrutalSnuggles
@BrutalSnuggles Год назад
Never. The capitalists won. Time to usher in the end of the world for the working class, only room left is for the rich
@CH47Flyingtwinkie
@CH47Flyingtwinkie Год назад
Ypu are either a wealthy elitist or a poor dreamer; either way you are dangerous. This is not a personal attack, just understand who elses wants what you want and they arnt your friend.
@blindiris22
@blindiris22 Год назад
this is all well and good, and all i wanna know now is where that shirt came from. it's cool
@dissonanceparadiddle
@dissonanceparadiddle Год назад
I've heard a lot of bullies turn out to be kids that are very well off and have too much self esteem rather than poor self esteem and a broken home... That does still happen for sure though
@KTSamurai1
@KTSamurai1 Год назад
the editor having a "wait a second" moment is both funny and kinda dark lol
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