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The Beatles and the Rolling Stones are the undisputed giants of the British Invasion, but who’s third? Is it the Animals, Yardbirds, or the Dave Clark Five? Not quite. And bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd came later. The real contenders are The Who and The Kinks.
In this episode of Robert’s Record Corner, we dive deep into both legendary bands, comparing their hits, styles, and influence during the British Invasion (1964-1966). We also look at their landmark albums from 1969: The Who’s Tommy and The Kinks’ Arthur.
The Who gave us the anthems that defined classic rock radio, while The Kinks captured the essence of everyday life with a uniquely English touch. Which band had the greater impact?
And the answer ultimately for me is clear.
Tune in to explore their contributions, their rivalry, and their lasting legacy in rock music history!
(Note: I am aware that if I pick the Kinks, Who fans will be particularly upset. And if I pick the Who, Kinks' fans will shrug it off. They're used to snubs. Which I find endearing.)
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@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 7 дней назад
Thanks everyone for the comments! For this video, I've defined "British Invasion" as bands that reached the USA in 1964 to 1966, so bands like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin etc were post-(First) Invasion. Seems fair enough? If you want to listen to some of the Kinks/Who songs DURING that 1964-66 timeframe, I made this Spotify playlist that is sequenced chronologically open.spotify.com/playlist/2HP9vjOIR1SuGaoSbDxA3E?si=f0851fcd55b44a48
@paulgoldstein2569
@paulgoldstein2569 7 дней назад
Later Psychedelic bands like Pink Floyd were unfortunately classed British Invasion, when they came out too late for that, and were part of the Psychedelic boom that exploded later in the sixties, and out-fashioned most of the British Invasion.
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 5 дней назад
@@RobertsRecordCorner okay that makes sense. However u went through there whole carrier so found that a little confusing. But probably me not listening 😁. And that being the case ,yeh the kinks makes sense. Consider the kinks beat the Who to the punch by best part of a year. And the Who didn't have hits in the USA unti. l 67 . So I think the Hollies are contenders there in that mid 60s period. Maybe not for song writing. But hits ,vocals, musicianship they are there abouts.
@theglavine
@theglavine 5 дней назад
@@matthewashman1406 Hollies were awesome; I think they had the best vocals of the Brit Invasion. They also did really well in the UK. I wonder myself why The Moody Blues are not mentioned? They did not have many hits in the UK but many in the US and sold a boatload of albums in both countries.
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 5 дней назад
@@theglavine sure yeh moodies were Great 👍. But I guess they didn't sell big till later on
@markstiggs4471
@markstiggs4471 4 дня назад
You are right to do so, and thanks for mentioning the Animals and THEM, a personal favorite of mine
@colingeddes2172
@colingeddes2172 6 дней назад
The Who every day of the week in every year and every decade.
@tonydalton459
@tonydalton459 8 дней назад
If Ray Davies had done nothing else other than Waterloo Sunset he would go down as a legendary songwriter. And of course he did do so much more.😊
@markallen2984
@markallen2984 6 дней назад
Quadrophenia puts an end to any questions
@jonbasinger8778
@jonbasinger8778 8 дней назад
Lyrically, Ray Davies is incredible. I prefer The Kinks over the Stones, the Beatles, and The Who. Ray has penned a huge catalog of amazing music.
@buddyvilla7393
@buddyvilla7393 8 дней назад
And Peter Townshend hasn’t been prolific the last 60 years?
@paulgoldstein2569
@paulgoldstein2569 7 дней назад
I sometimes prefer The Who, The Kinks and The Yardbirds over The Beatles and The Stones, although both of those bands made great material.
@jessalexander3243
@jessalexander3243 4 дня назад
Hot take: Paul McCartney's best lyrics are equal to Ray's average lyrics I think the Beatles are the #1 British Invasion band just by virtue of being the trailblazers, and the Rolling Stones are #2 just because they were seen as the rivals to the Beatles, but imo the Kinks are the best overall
@lnaregerhard
@lnaregerhard 3 дня назад
Dave Dee& Co and the Kinks!! 😃😃😃
@davidskidmore4189
@davidskidmore4189 8 дней назад
God Save the Kinks!!!! The Who are great, by God, no doubt about that. "Live at Leeds" is my favorite live album of all time. But you hit the nail on the head. The Who were singing about a pinball playing messiah. The Kinks were singing about a working class girl who buys a hat like Princess Marina. She'll never wear it Ascot, but she wears it while she's cleaning the stairs. And she is so proud of it. That is real life my friend, and making art of it, which is the greatest thing art can do. Both bands are great, but the Kinks....they are truly great.
@philt1771
@philt1771 10 дней назад
The Kinks, denied from touring the U.S. for four long years, but you can't keep a good band down!
@stevelofts8135
@stevelofts8135 День назад
FYI The Who were banned in Australia from 1968 - 2000!!!!
@murilohumbertocmcb
@murilohumbertocmcb 4 дня назад
1 Beatles 2 Kinks 3 The Who 4 Rolling Stones 5 Zombies
@stevejohnston8254
@stevejohnston8254 8 дней назад
Love The Kinks, but The Who (particularly from 1970 on ) were up on another level both live and on record via classics like Who’s Next & Quadrophenia.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 8 дней назад
@@stevejohnston8254 The '70s made the Who. The '60s made the Kinks. Maybe?
@georgecapote6374
@georgecapote6374 8 дней назад
Love The Who, Love The Kinks but don’t forget The Small Faces, The kings of Cockney Rock!
@meistertynemouth
@meistertynemouth 8 дней назад
Agree. The Small Faces were terrific but unfortunately down to dodgy management were not part of the USA invasion.
@georgecapote6374
@georgecapote6374 8 дней назад
But the question was, “Who’s the best British band besides the Beatles and the Stones?” It didn’t mention the British Invasion of America.
@meistertynemouth
@meistertynemouth 8 дней назад
@@georgecapote6374 He mentioned the British invasion in the opening sentence.
@Rochfordessex2
@Rochfordessex2 8 дней назад
Yep!
@jonathanromano8428
@jonathanromano8428 3 дня назад
Steve Marriott was a really good pal of this guy named Keith Richards. Keith asked Marriott to join The Stones, but apparently Mick Jagger threw a full-out fit, and told Keith Richards if that'd would happen, he would straight up quit The Rolling Stones! The otherworldly voice and electric stage presence of Marriot, as Jagger expressed, would make it impossible for Marriott to take the backseat to even Micky-boy! I mean, Mick Jagger was right, but I always just like to think, "What if...!..."
@davidwatts67
@davidwatts67 9 дней назад
kinks...I am a fan since 64...your facts are wrong ....KINKS had the first concept album in 1968...Village Green Preservation Society! 700 songs in the kinks catalog with 20 new ones coming!
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 9 дней назад
I see VG as more thematic than conceptual. There is no set story here. But, hey, if it gets another point for the Kinks, I'll take it! Thanks for watching.
@procol14
@procol14 8 дней назад
Don't be rude, it's a very good video montage and a beautiful tribute to our favorites !
@CommonGroundser
@CommonGroundser 7 дней назад
There were concept albums before either of those; I don't think it's so important who got what out the door. And yes, _Arthur_ very much tells a story, it was commissioned to do just that, after all.
@SeataltBelten
@SeataltBelten 8 дней назад
The Who are the Who. But the Kinks? Man, they’re the KINKS.
@franzmajcyn3836
@franzmajcyn3836 6 дней назад
Anyone who saw Kieth Moon knows it’s The Who
@tomrobinson5776
@tomrobinson5776 9 дней назад
The Kinks hands down. Ray Davies is on another level. Dig your channel.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 9 дней назад
@@tomrobinson5776 Thank you!
@trott
@trott 10 дней назад
More Kinks videos? More Kinks videos!
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 10 дней назад
@@trott Yes! Thanks for watching senor.
@soldmeout
@soldmeout 9 дней назад
The Kinks in the studio and the Who live.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 8 дней назад
@@soldmeout Hard to argue
@goodbababadbaba6370
@goodbababadbaba6370 8 дней назад
💯
@theglavine
@theglavine 7 дней назад
Interesting in light of my recent discovery that the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks & Who were the British Invasion bands who made it into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame on the 1st Ballot. Led Zeppelin was the other 60s UK band to accomplish that feat. Fine bands like the Animals & Dave Clark Five performed great songs but were not generally known for great albums or songwriting and did not last; although the Animals had a psychedelic rebirth as Eric Burdon and the Animals! I'm a massive Kinks fans who thinks the Kinks songwriting craft speaks much more to everyday people than the Who; or even the Beatles. Would any famous rock star write a song like 'Only A Dream' about being a nerd afraid to approach a woman?
@rsdemarco
@rsdemarco 9 дней назад
I gotta give the edge to The Kinks. That run of albums from Face to Face through Muswell Hillbillies is unmatched. The Who stepped it up with Tommy and their live performances, but Ray Davies songwriting muscle is second only to Lennon/McCartney in my opinion.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 9 дней назад
@@rsdemarco Agree about the run. Not sure any albums after Muswell quite reconnects with Ray's best. Though I enjoy it all. Thanks for watching
@painless465
@painless465 8 дней назад
Third. Dylan is first
@procol14
@procol14 8 дней назад
Ray is first in my opinion !
@wayneelliott7011
@wayneelliott7011 6 дней назад
Ray Davies is a far superior Songwriter.
@StanA-m4j
@StanA-m4j 9 дней назад
The Kinks … I’ve seen them in London, England & Toronto … I saw Ray Davies do his solo theatrical show and several small shows with Ray fronting a new band playing Kinks music
@josemiguelcarrizo7373
@josemiguelcarrizo7373 8 дней назад
I think I prefer the Kinks but it's hard to choose. I also love The Zombies.
@mortenjohansen4120
@mortenjohansen4120 8 дней назад
Just don’t forget that The Who had one of the worlds best drummer and bassist. And Pete did a pretty good job combining song writing, guitar work and stage performance. Adding revord sales and longivity, I vote for The Who.
@procol14
@procol14 8 дней назад
Ok about the musical technique and live performances but Ray Davies songwriting is unrivaled.
@MrKelleyzinho
@MrKelleyzinho 6 дней назад
The Pretty Things, another band that didn’t do America, were definitely in the top tier of English bands. Plus, their S.F. Sorrow was the first concept album and it is better than Tommy or Arthur IMHO. Also, don’t forget about the Move.
@theglavine
@theglavine 6 дней назад
Nice mentions. My favorite underrated UK band is the Creation. 40 songs that sound like freakbeat Who!
@wayneelliott7011
@wayneelliott7011 6 дней назад
@@theglavine Love The Creation.
@robm9999
@robm9999 6 дней назад
The Who every day of the week! Love the Kinks as well, but The Who are legends!
@Scotttyist
@Scotttyist 8 дней назад
I think even Pete Townshend would concede that The Kinks should go before them.
@televinv8062
@televinv8062 7 дней назад
You're probably right....but I'd disagree with him. The Who was on a different level for me.
@Scotttyist
@Scotttyist 7 дней назад
@@televinv8062 The two bands had their different strengths and weaknesses and it depends on what you value more, I'd say. Live the Who were untouchable but I like the Kinks' songs more.
@televinv8062
@televinv8062 7 дней назад
@Scotttyist yes and it really comes down to personal preferences.
@PFNel
@PFNel 9 дней назад
I'm a fan of both. I have all the albums of both bands (except the very latest one by the Who). And I think you nailed it. Over the decades, the Kinks have given us far more timeless songs-and there's more emotion and introspection in those songs: Oddly enough, I've never really liked "Waterloo Sunset" all that much, but there's so much more: "Days", "Shangri-La", "Animal Farm", "This Time Tomorrow", and on and on. Pete Townshend is a great, great songwriter, but even he didn't come up with "I miss the morning dew/Fresh air, and Sunday School".
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 8 дней назад
@@PFNel Well said. I have also struggled to love Waterloo as much as everyone else. "Autumn Almanac" slays me. "Shangri-La" is probably my fav. Thank you for watching!
@PFNel
@PFNel 8 дней назад
@@RobertsRecordCorner I was in the car with a friend, and "Autumn Almanac" came on (my iPod was set to play random songs). She hated it and said it should never even have been issued! Subjectivity - what are you gonna do? For me, the Kinks are third, and perhaps not even third ... but that depends very much on your definition of greatness. Which, of course, is a whole other discussion.
@tonydalton459
@tonydalton459 8 дней назад
@@RobertsRecordCornerOh wow. Really disagree there. Waterloo Sunset is one of the greatest songs ever written in my view. Best single song of the 60’s, even allowing for all the Beatles magnificent songs.
@paulgoldstein2569
@paulgoldstein2569 7 дней назад
I used to like Waterloo Sunset. But it has been played too often. So I stick to the rest of their catalog.
@maurizioantonnicola8724
@maurizioantonnicola8724 2 дня назад
@@PFNel Funny, my girlfriend at the time threatened to break up with me if I didn't stop playing THE KINK KRONICLES album. I showed her the door. Never saw her since.
@clevebaker8399
@clevebaker8399 9 дней назад
My two favorite bands!! Tied for first!! Gotta have everything by these bands!!! Killer music 🎵
@martinramsdale99
@martinramsdale99 7 дней назад
SEPTEMBER 2024 Both of them for me, just love their music. 🇬🇧Ⓜ️🇬🇧🎼🎶🎵🎵🎵🎶🎤🎸🥁🎸🎹🎬📽️🎞️🎥🎧🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
@kjeldpedersen666
@kjeldpedersen666 8 дней назад
I like both bands, but hard pressed I would choose The Who. They were a bit more mad and outrageous - and artsy. Right at the beginning, when both bands mainly were singles bands, The Kinks might have the upper hand
@DennisBrown-g3x
@DennisBrown-g3x 8 дней назад
The Who is the greatest band of all time. They may not have sold as many albums as some of their contemporaries, but if you saw them in their prime or even today, you will know. They have made movies. They have been on Broadway. The have put out albums as early as 1965 and as late as 2020 and they all are great. If John Lennon had lived, maybe there would be competition for The Who.
@23theseeker50
@23theseeker50 9 дней назад
BOTH BRILLIANT.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 9 дней назад
@@23theseeker50 Undeniable!
@krotart
@krotart 9 дней назад
The Who
@rolfaalto
@rolfaalto 8 дней назад
I rate The Who above The Stones -- far more creative across a huge range of styles. The Kinks were amazing for creativity, but never had the same level of impact in the USA. The Stones are amazing at what they do, but sort of a one-trick pony ... what a great trick though, none better! :-) So I'd put The Stone in #4, so Kinks at #3.
@theglavine
@theglavine 6 дней назад
The Kinks had WAY more impact in the US than the WHO originally; 8 Top 40s in 1964-1966 to zero for the Who. It was the ban from America that torched the Kink's momentum. Kinks are the great 'what if'; just this side of the Hendrix's etc who passed away young.
@stevelofts8135
@stevelofts8135 День назад
Yeah, THE WHO!!!
@michaelratcliff8634
@michaelratcliff8634 7 часов назад
Growing up The Who hit my sweet spot. Attitude. Energy. Everything. Loved them. Still do. In fact I listened to Who's Next start to finish the other day for the first time in years. Sounded so good -- better than anything out today. Still fresh, vibrant and original, even after the umpteenth thousandth listening. I knew The Kinks and liked a few of their songs. You'd hear them on the radio butcher that great Van Halen song (HA!). But over the past few years I've gotten to know their music. What a fool I've been to be without the Kinks for so long. Their records speak to me the way the Beatles and the Stones do. Still. I'm going for a total BS list: 1. The Beatles. Without the Beatles there is no Brisitish invasion. 2. It's a tie. Rolling Stones, the Kinks and the Who. The reason I give them a tie is because they've all had such lengthy careers. The Beatles rule the 60's with the Stones close 2nd. But throughout the 70's and into the 80's, at any given time either of these bands could be considered the greatest. Depended on what year or album.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 41 минуту назад
It's always fun when you find a whole back catalog to explore. I'm an obsessive. So when I figure I need to get into someone -- Beach Boys for example -- I'm suddenly getting everything and piecing together their whole career narrative. Thanks for watching.
@antkneecampy
@antkneecampy 2 дня назад
I love The Rolling Stones. But for me as a kid growing up in the 70’s and 80’s with older brothers with huge record collections, my favorites were in this order: The Beatles The Who The Kinks The Rolling Stones But I also really dug The Monkees
@davescurry69
@davescurry69 5 дней назад
Bronze medal? Speak for yourself. I have these two bands at #1 and #2. That's just a personal opinion. I love The Stones and a really like the Beatles, but I listen to The Kinks and The Who a lot more. By the way there is very little true music hall in The Kinks music. And The Who's debut album was 1965. They started smashing their gear in '64 in the UK. It didn't start at Monterey. Anyway, I'll take The Who over everyone, then The Kinks.
@scottcreedon7405
@scottcreedon7405 4 дня назад
The Who Gets a lot of attention because of their rhythm section of Entwistle and Moon, both of which who are on most people's top ten bass player/drummer lists. You don't really see that with the Kinks, but if you ever hear Peter Quaife's Bass on Wicked Anabella on the "The Kinks are the Village Green Preservation Society", he should be on everyone's favorite bass player list.
@AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp
@AndrewLoukidis-jr2bp 3 дня назад
As much as I love the Kinks, and they were a huge inspiration for Pete, the raw power of the Who's live gigs were legendary and their influence is still prevalent and relevant
@mrheem44
@mrheem44 7 дней назад
I love the Who and the Kinks. I'd give the nod to the Kinks there but think it was Pink Floyd
@timburns5967
@timburns5967 3 дня назад
Did PF even tour the US during the Barrett years?
@mrheem44
@mrheem44 3 дня назад
@@timburns5967 yes
@normatible9795
@normatible9795 3 дня назад
The Kinks, the Moody Blues, The who, pink floyd,
@michaelmertens813
@michaelmertens813 9 дней назад
Kinks or The Who? Impossible to decide.
@scottsnyder2726
@scottsnyder2726 6 дней назад
The Who may be my favorite band ever. Largely because I was turning 13 when Who’s Next was released and it perfectly captured my male pre-teen/teen angst and energy. Yet I agree that defined as “British Invasion” band definitely The Kinks. And The Kinks are one of the most underrated bands ever
@1979cl1
@1979cl1 4 дня назад
Both bands are incredible and each have their own style.
@paulgordon6949
@paulgordon6949 12 часов назад
I love them both so much. They are different kind of bands. The who are louder and more bombastic, rock n roll. The kinks have beautiful lyrics about real life. Theres a lot more to both of them too, of course. But i couldn't possibly choose, you simply need both of them and we are so lucky we have!
@procol14
@procol14 8 дней назад
The KINKS of course ! But can I be objective as I am a Kinks fan since 1966 and I knew them personally ? I used to run the Kinks French Konnektion in the years 1977-84 ! Thanks for this story, very fair analysis of the British invasion. Great video montage. Keep up the good job !
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 8 дней назад
@@procol14 Thank you'd
@TheGeosto
@TheGeosto 7 дней назад
I love both bands, but there’s something about the Kinks that is just way more essential and iconic. Beatles, Stones, Kinks, Who.
@piershemmingsen3937
@piershemmingsen3937 3 дня назад
Nicely worked out and makes perfect sense. Sure I liked a few Who songs when they were Top 40 radio singles - My Generation, I Can See For Miles, Call Me Lightning and Magic Bus - but those were anger-driven songs I liked on the radio. I related far more to the Kinks records at home on my record player. In Canada you really had to hunt for their Pye Lp and single releases. Allied Records out of Montreal would release their discs but never in large enough quantities. Phonodisc out of Toronto nabbed Pye in 1968 and were not much better. So there was a real and proper reward in discovering their obscure B-sides and lesser known Lp tracks in the late Sixties and very early 1970s. In mid 1968, you could pick up 3 great deleted Kinks Pye singles for about 39 cents (Dead End Street, Waterloo Sunset, Mister Pleasant). Those 6 singles tracks amounted to half an LP. Face To Face remains my favourite Kinks LP bar none. They enjoyed a dedicated underground following in Canada, wearing their unpopularity relative to The Stones and The Beatles almost as a badge of honour. Had the good fortune to meet both Peter Quaife and Ray Davies in Toronto around the time that Peter played a reunion gig with The Kinks at Maple Leaf Gardens (1981). The Kinks of course soldiered on without Peter and became more of a stadium band after Arthur, Lola and Percy when the Pye years ended.
@lysanderofsparta3708
@lysanderofsparta3708 6 дней назад
The Kinks all the way! At their absolute best, they were certainly equal to, if not better than, the Beatles or the Stones. The Who had a lot of musical firepower, but I never found them particularly relatable beyond their first three albums. They lost me when they put out "Tommy" -- and the later Who just sounded turgid and bombastic to my ears. However, the Kinks' "Arthur" (released at the same time as "Tommy") was sheer brilliance -- a pinnacle of great British songwriting and muscianship.
@lor-px8wo
@lor-px8wo 9 дней назад
Love them both but I'm going for the Who and they are still going
@pezi873
@pezi873 8 дней назад
Born 1955, I love both as I do with Beatles & Stones. It started with the Fab 4, followed by The Stones. Loved the Kinks until The Who released „Live at Leeds“ Couldn’t stop listening to it until „Who‘s Next“. Many prefer The Kinks - anyone is allowed to have his personal preferences. Abbey Road & The White Album, above mentioned Who LP‘s and Dark Side of The Moon are my all time favourites. Cheers and stay tuned
@MLM717171
@MLM717171 2 дня назад
No one better then The Kinks!!! Pure art, from Face to Face to Muswell Hillbillies! Amazing music and lyrics!!
@helendi7000
@helendi7000 9 дней назад
As far as the Kinks 70's concept records, Schoolboys in Disgrace is the best, some great rocking tunes and Ray's whimsical look back on Schooldays. Also the gem of The Great Lost Kinks Album of outtakes released in 1973 are beautiful songs like Lavender Hill, Till Death Do Us Part, Rosemary Rose, Misty Water, etc. songs most bands would die for. For me its 1. Kinks 2. The Who 3. Stones 4. Beatles, 5. Zombies, 6. Animals
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 9 дней назад
Huge fan of the Lost Album. Must admit my favorite '70s concept album is a hybrid of Pres Act 1&2. Too much there, but my fav of the period is scattered on both. Thanks for your list!
@fortunatomartino8549
@fortunatomartino8549 4 дня назад
The kinks are intellectual, sarcastic, and witty/clever. The Who were are hard rock, hard R and B. Can't be compared
@theshivers1967
@theshivers1967 4 дня назад
Actually, I’d personally put the stones at No. 4, and slot The Who at 2 and The Kinks at 3.
@Flongowild
@Flongowild 6 дней назад
The Tremeloes had many top hits like The Kinks.... I was born in 1953, I love both Kinks and Who but my #3 and #4 are Moody Blues and Led Zeppelin, The Who is #5 and then Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, The Sweet...
@randsimon1313
@randsimon1313 3 дня назад
I"m 71, and was 12 in 1965 when we all had transistor radios to listen to the top 40. No cell phones, no walkmans, just RADIO, and you didn't get to choose your songs like today's XM. No doubt the Beatles and Rolling Stones dominated early, with the Dave Clark Five right in there, too. The DC5 had a few really catchy hits, but they really didn't progress much. The Kinks blew us all away with "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the NIght:", and they were definitely the third most popular group once those songs hit the U.S. in '65 and '66. The Who came later, and they did eventually pass the Kinks in popularity in the U.S., partly due to the Kinks ban, but also due to their wild live performances. I think Robert sells the Who a bit short on their music and songwriting, but I will agree that overall, the Kinks songs are more intimate and their lyrics more meaningful. With Tommy and Quadrophenia and Who's Next, the Who reached higher heights, but I can't put either group ahead of the other. They were both extremely influential, and AWESOME in different ways! The Kinks were a bit more offbeat and hip, while the Who were brash showmen. Kind of apples and oranges.
@bjrneilertmork7504
@bjrneilertmork7504 7 дней назад
This is one of the best videos I've seen about this topic. I will forward this to many people very close to The Kinks. Dave Davies and Mick Avory will get the link within the afternoon. Thanks Robert! I'm a subscriber to your channel now.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 7 дней назад
@@bjrneilertmork7504 Wow, thank you!!
@bjrneilertmork7504
@bjrneilertmork7504 7 дней назад
@@RobertsRecordCorner Already got a thumb up from Dave Davies’ partner, and people from the inner circle of fans (family and friends of the band).
@davidcarson7168
@davidcarson7168 5 дней назад
IMHO…., Every British band owes a huge debt to The Beatles, but the only band to meet them on their level was The Kinks. GOD SAVE THE KINKS!
@dhpbear2
@dhpbear2 3 дня назад
Ray Davies always sang SHARP! The Who are the winners.
@martenkarlsson4485
@martenkarlsson4485 3 дня назад
Kinks. Their influence on later British bands like Madness, Blir, Pulp and the entire Britpop movement in the 90:s is undisputable.
@chrismcgovern1647
@chrismcgovern1647 4 дня назад
The Who. The Kinks have killer records as do The Who--Maybe The Kinks cornered them as far as the quality of the records during the 60's, but The Who surpassed them by the 70's, and they were already a killer live act that almost couldn't be beaten save for a few performers.
@Glicksman1
@Glicksman1 7 дней назад
The best live rock band I ever heard was The Who at the Village Theatre (later the Fillmore East) in NYC. This includes The Beatles who I saw on August 23, 1966, at Shea Stadium (terrible P.A., screams and all), The Stones a few times at Madison Square Garden, and the Byrds (not generally considered to be a great live band) who I saw at a local beach club in 1967 I’ve also seen Cream, Zep, Deep Purple, The Rascals, Badfinger, Procul Harem, Mountain, Queen, CSN&Y, The Moody Blues, Janis, Jimi, James Brown, and many more. All were great and I enjoyed their shows, but the energy and sound that The Who delivered eclipsed them all
@theglavine
@theglavine 6 дней назад
The biggest charting single in the US between the Who and Kinks was actually Herman's Hermits cover of The Kink's 'Dandy' which hit #5 and was their 9th straight Top 10 hit. Well, unless you count the Doors 'Hello I Love You' which went #1 and was ruled by a UK court to be a copy of All Day and All of the Night. The Kink's have their own 5 Top 10 hits and can lay some claim to 2 'covers'. The Who has their single Top 10, 'I Can See For Miles' which charted at #9. Makes you wonder what the Kinks might have done if they had not been banned at the height of their creativity; heck, Sunny Afternoon was the #1 song in the UK in the summer of 1966 and I think would have charted higher than #14 in the US if the band could have actually made appearances in the US. Instead the Who finally caught on in America. If the Who had been banned similarly, they would have been a minor figure in the US like The Small Faces. As you can guess, I am a resounding The Kinks in this debate LOL!
@buddyvilla7393
@buddyvilla7393 8 дней назад
The Who Sell Out-1967,Tommy 1969, Who’s Next- 1971, Quadrophenia -1973. Any British band have a artistically productive 6 years like The Who had1967-73. All the time they were constantly touring. Do you want to compare the musicianship of The Who to The Beatles and Stobes. John Entwhistle VS Paul McCartney and Bill Wyman. Keith Moon VS Ringo and Charlie Watts. Peter Dennis Townshend VS John,George and Keith Richards.Did The LSO London Symphony Orchestra ever record a version of an album by The Beatles and The Stones like they recorded Tommy. Did The Beatles or The Rolling Stones play thei Rock Opera at The Metropolitan Opera House??!!
@acooper8910
@acooper8910 6 дней назад
I love both but, hmmm. put a gun to my head & it's The Kinks. The Who were a better live band, but Ray's songs have a timeless social resonance that will outlive the slightly neurotic navelgazing of Townshend's work. Besides, I'm from Muswell Hill... you gotta go the local team.
@fabiogobbato9146
@fabiogobbato9146 8 дней назад
But there were also the Small Faces...?!
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 8 дней назад
Yes but not British invasion. But then again neither are the who😮
@theglavine
@theglavine 6 дней назад
@@matthewashman1406 The Who invaded; just charted low until 1966.
@markstiggs4471
@markstiggs4471 4 дня назад
To all of those who enjoy this excellent analysis, you should also understand that your host it the legendary Robbo!!!!!
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 4 дня назад
@@markstiggs4471 Legendary? Not so sure but thank you!!!
@markcorcoran482
@markcorcoran482 8 дней назад
The Kinks! Though Village Green is not thought of as a concept album, there is a unified vibe about it, much like Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper, or Kate Bush’s The Dreaming, for example, where it seems like more than *just* a collection of great songs. I saw them in1974 at the Felt Forum which was adjacent to Madison Square Garden, and was a relatively more intimate venue. My friend and l managed to get right up to the front of the stage ( from which, after the show, l was able to snatch one Ray’s empty Coors cans). They previewed the wonderful Mirror of Love, with Ray using a framed mirror to reflect a purple spotlight back at the audience. Such a great show. My friend and l used our ticket stubs to get into the second show, and back down again to the front! I saw them again about 6 months late, performing Preservation Act Two, which I loved … and it was, sadly, awful. Awful because Ray had all these other folks singing the parts of the various characters! But those prior shows (along with Jethro Tull in ‘73 at MSG) are the magical standouts of my concert-going history. God save The Kink Kronikles!
@Theactivepsychos
@Theactivepsychos 8 дней назад
My top five is The Beatles The stones The animals The kinks The small faces The who The yardbirds The Spencer Davis group
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 8 дней назад
Great list. I would add 9. The Hollies 10. The Troggs
@celebrationcelebration6476
@celebrationcelebration6476 6 дней назад
The Pretty Things anyone? Emotions was a great underated album. Don't bring me down, Rossalyn, Midnight to six man, should have been bigger but too much competition!
@barbaragottlock230
@barbaragottlock230 8 дней назад
God Save the Kinks! Well presented.
@qqw743
@qqw743 13 часов назад
How. Is. This. A. Question????? The Who, especially Tommy = greatest music in rock 'n' roll history. The Kinks = a band.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 38 минут назад
I guess it's a question because so many have the opposite view about it! Thanks for watching
@frankperry1111
@frankperry1111 8 дней назад
I had The Kinks in mind from the beginning and I totally agree. I am a big fan of both and at 78 am still doing cover versions at open mics and community suppers. The Kinks. I think someone dealt them a dirty pool maneuver when they were banned. They Bersted back through with Lola. I listen to and play songs from The Kinks and The Who way more than Led Zep and the rest. Beatles, Early Stones and The Kinks. Yeah! Yeah! Let's Do It Again!
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 7 дней назад
@@frankperry1111 What cover versions do you do!? Thanks for watching
@jonathanromano8428
@jonathanromano8428 3 дня назад
I can see for miles what you did at the end of your comment...viva la Kinks! The music video for "Do it Again" is one of the best, EVER!
@jdlrockford
@jdlrockford 4 дня назад
I am still listening t Muswell Hillbillies. Might be a subjective choice,but I love that album.
@Nukumatti
@Nukumatti 9 дней назад
I'm sorry, but your introduction is wrong. The correct order is: 1. The Kinks 2. The Who 3. The Rolling Stones 4. The Beatles
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 8 дней назад
No
@Rochfordessex2
@Rochfordessex2 8 дней назад
Great analysis! This raises the great conundrum. Both were superb. Both were very British in lyrics and outlook/ sound whereas the Beatles and the Stones were universal. I'd go for the Who, although Mod bias influences me!
@fabfab4090
@fabfab4090 6 дней назад
The Who.
@timothymooney4466
@timothymooney4466 6 дней назад
I agree with you. What kid at the time didn't sing along with "Ape Man"?
@markmacdonald3260
@markmacdonald3260 8 дней назад
Like them both. The Kinks are very underrated. I've never actually heard the album Aurthur. Maybe compare it more with Quadrophenia. A lot was changing in the UK people got toilets of their own not shared with others on the landing. The new council houses had a, cludgie with a sitting toilet and bath, bedrooms, hot water. I like the way Davies in a politically non partisan way highlights for him the good and bad in the break down of the old uk and empire. For me it's akin to asking who's better The Beatles or Bob Dylan?
@chrisbotelho7212
@chrisbotelho7212 7 дней назад
You should give Arthur a listen. Great l.p.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 7 дней назад
Arthur is my fav Kinks album (and I do prefer Quadrophenia to Tommy fwiw).Thanks for commenting!
@tsbehr
@tsbehr 7 дней назад
Ray Davies has the definite edge in the songwriting department, no question. He will be immortalized for his songs. But each member of The Who is top of the class in regards to their instruments. Moon & Entwistle in particular are master Jedi level. And at their peak, no one could touch The Who for live performance. Look what they did to The Stones on the 1968 Rock N Roll Circus, devastating.
@ramilopez6921
@ramilopez6921 8 дней назад
To me, it's a tied. However, it depends on the mood I'm in. I love both bands for different reasons.
@stephenstone8480
@stephenstone8480 7 дней назад
The Stones are great, but the 2 greatest Rock 'n' Roll bands are The Beatles and The Who!
@tinearmusic-xh2kh
@tinearmusic-xh2kh 5 дней назад
Ok, my friend, you're basing this on your personal view of who's better. I sensed your bias throughout the video by underplaying the who's achievements. If you want to play that card, The who are better than the stones... (just look what the Who did to the stones at the rock n roll circus. If the 'who's next' in line debate is based on popularity, Then the who takes it over the Kinks retrospectively. And about the album, Who's next, you talk about a milestone in achievement, I would be embarrass to even mention "come Dancing' if you're trying to compare decades. Especially since Keith Moon died in the eighties along with the band until later. Also, it's pronounced Shel Talmy. And also you failed to mention the concept album Quadrophenia. Much more relatable than the Her Majesty the Queen.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 5 дней назад
Well it is my opinion after all! I did say the Who dominated the '70s though! Thanks for watching
@danielolson4286
@danielolson4286 8 дней назад
Brilliant analysis, and as much as I love the Who and appreciate their greatness (and still listen to them regularly), I think you're right. Pete longed to speak for his whole generation, and for rock (and succeeded to an amazing degree). but Ray speaks for foolish little me.
@jakeoncall
@jakeoncall 7 дней назад
The Who!
@WELLRESPECTEDAPE
@WELLRESPECTEDAPE 8 дней назад
IMHO The Kinks best album was 'Something Else' from 1967, Included besides Waterloo Sunset was Dave's Death of a Clown, I'm Not Like Everybody Else, David Watts, Two Sisters and Dave's Love Me Till the Sun Shines. The Kinks hit their stride on this album.
@thomasprete-w5i
@thomasprete-w5i 3 дня назад
The older I get the more appreciation I have for The Kinks. Ray Davies lyrics are above and beyond anything Lennon/McCartney, and The Stones wrote. At least to me and other Kinks fans. Yes, Townsend wrote great songs also ,but The Kinks still resonate today. Thanks for mentioning "Arthur". That record made me listen to music more attentively. Ironically, I've watched some movies over the last few months, and lo and behold there's a Kinks Tune I will hear that I've forgotten about, and it makes me want to rediscover their catalog. I'm glad someone else was listening so that they would include them into their movie. Their words and music are timeless! Thanks for this.
@HEWHOTAWNS
@HEWHOTAWNS 13 часов назад
Kinks are unmatched
@みはいる-n5b
@みはいる-n5b 6 дней назад
Kinks is best. Do you remember Walter? Johnny Thunder. Masterpieces.❤
@jdcapshew
@jdcapshew 8 дней назад
Love both, agree, it’s The Kinks.
@andreadaleyutronebel5894
@andreadaleyutronebel5894 8 дней назад
Pink Floyd - Led Zeppelin
@M_Lev___
@M_Lev___ 8 дней назад
Dave Clark deserves immense credit for propelling his band to the forefront leadership of the British Invasion of America! The Dave Clark Five and The Beatles were the 2 giant bands the led the British Invasion. The Rolling Stones, Herman's Hermit's, The Who, The Animals, Searchers, and so forth, all trailed the Beatles & The DC5. Also, there's a certain Mr Ryan who had legally relinquished his writing credits via a deal with Dave Clark. Ryan made the deal with Mr Clark. However it seems in the last few years that Ryan has endlessly complained, whined and cried to anyone and everyone that he is not credited with songs he purportedly wrote but are credited to Dave Clark. Mr Clark has the legal right to claim writing credits to the songs. Fans of the many Dave Clark Five fan groups throughout the internet are quite sick and tired of hearing Mr Ryan's constant whining, b*tching and crying over any deal he made with Mr Clark.
@peterblood50
@peterblood50 7 дней назад
Thank you, well said.
@RobertsRecordCorner
@RobertsRecordCorner 7 дней назад
Thanks for this DC5 insight!
@izzykhach
@izzykhach 6 дней назад
The Kinks are definitely more British in the themes they explore in their songwriting.
@ronniechilds2002
@ronniechilds2002 7 дней назад
Who man here. If it weren't for the Beatles and Stones they would have been Number One. Of course, if it weren't for these two, we would never have heard of the Who, at least not in the US.
@remixandkaraoke
@remixandkaraoke 12 часов назад
The Beatles, Pink Floyd and The Who for me... then Led Zeppelin.
@jmuslix
@jmuslix 9 дней назад
Donovan
@1rwjwith
@1rwjwith 8 дней назад
THE WHO….absolutely….
@DavidLee-bf2pe
@DavidLee-bf2pe 3 дня назад
"killing his mom's new boyfriend"? That didn't happen. It was the boyfriend who killed the father. Thumbs up. Kinks rule.
@YnotNomis
@YnotNomis 7 дней назад
Love the Kinks but c'mon...THE WHO! The Have The Best drummer in Rock! the Best Bassist! arguably the Best Front man and lead guitarist!
@wayneelliott7011
@wayneelliott7011 6 дней назад
Best: 1. The Kinks. 2. The Who. 3. The Stones. 4. Small Faces. 5. Pretty Things.
@peterblood50
@peterblood50 7 дней назад
At the time, I think the choice for rock bands would have been between 'The Who' and 'The Dave Clark 5' IMHO. The Kinks were a great band but more 'Mod' than Rocker. Although at the time the DC5 was second only to the Beatles.
@joemasse4568
@joemasse4568 7 дней назад
I would say The Who are 3, and kinks 4, I pick The Who because they were more sophisticated musically,some of the best playing on Who’s Next, but I love the kinks my first concert 1978 providence R,I,
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