Who Would Be Monarchs of Germany? Part 2: Grand Dukes & Dukes 

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Gott mit uns!

7:08 Aha, I see where this branch comes from: Holstein-Gottorp.

*Who Would Be Monarchs of Germany? Part 3: Princes* Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen Waldeck and Pyrmont Reuss-Greiz (pronounced Royce-Grites), the senior branch Reuss-Gera (pronounced Royce-Guerra), the junior branch Schaumburg-Lippe Lippe

Interesting video idea, a video on the Ethiopian Coptic church telling of the Bible and how it differs from most other denominations

Also they like to marry each other and relatives

Considering how short lived humans are gives a long view of power.

Thems that has, gets.

They are still. Just think about the British royal family, where the monarch is still the regnant of the Commonwealth and britain. And they are also basically german

European monarchies are a one big family tree after all

And Niklot's still watching us from a top the doorway of Schloss Schwerin.

And the House of Welf is actually Italian lmao.

Yep and the name "Borwin" was actually the name of Niklots grandson and is a slavic name. 700 years later, the descendant, Borwin of Mecklenburg, still carries a Slavic name.

@@tylerbozinovski427 nah they are franks, the first of Welf was bundled with the carolingians.

I’m curious as to where The House of Gans zu Putlitz fit into the line of The house of Welf & The House of Este. Everything I find is written in German. Where would you find the “Uradel ”? Ancient nobility family tree.

A video on the legendary houses of Minamoto, Fujiwara, Taira, Tokugawa annd Toyotomi would be great too

Interesting! Do you pop over to the Schloss for Holidays?

Interesting my husbands mother was a Brandenburg from Settin. Might be a common name over there.

The surname Brandenburg does not make you a member of the particular Brandenburg family that is nobility. That particular family may be traced back to 1006 but not all Brandenburg's can make that claim.

@@user-ru3bg1ub6s It is, and many people who have a family name like that were farmers or other peasants who lived on the lands of the family with that name.

@@rapier1954 This - always very cringey when Americans think they are aristocracy in this way

there's nothing to add about the city states and alsace-lorraine. they weren't inheritable titles.

city states didn't have hereditary rulers

@@valentinbezdan570 alright, at least we could get to see the leaders.

@@EmpireProductions1 ok then, maybe we can see all of the leaders.

City-states? just look at their current mayors.

King Christian the IX of Denmark here we go!

Sebastian Arcelus played Diego's daddy.

The swedish ones aren't that interesting. They are just the children and grandchildren of the current King. France had a lot of dukes too and on the level of Spain. I think why they focused on these is because there were mediatized. Pretty sure they have covered the Austrian dukes and the only interesting ones in Italy are the royal ones which we already know. Maybe Portugal and the UK are interesting here but honestly that would have to be the premier ones if that.

Thanks!

Hesse seems a translation error. In German it is called Hessen. Check in a German wiki for proving

It would’ve been quite distant. The Saxe-Meiningens, except for Regina’s immediate family, were Protestant. Only Regina and her siblings were Catholic because her mother was a Catholic noblewoman

She was also related to Queen Victoria, being a great great granddaughter of Princess Feodora of Leiningen, Queen Victoria’s older half sister

Habsburgs died out in 1780.

@@kolomaznik333 That's not true. They just merged with another house, that's not nearly the same thing as dying out.

@@lightgreen3479 No you are wrong. They did not merged with other house (that is not how it works: two men cannot have children together). It went like this: House of Habsburg last male, emperor Charles VI. died in 1740. As last legitimate male-line Habsburg, so house of Habsburg died out in male-line. His possessions were inherited by his eldest living child (daughter) Maria Theresa. After 1744 she was only living child of her father. After 1757 she was last living female Habsburg. After she died in 1780, the House of habsburg died out in the female-line too. Her possessions were inherited by her eldest son Joseph. All her children from her marriage to Francis Stephen of Lorraine, belonged to remaining line of house of Lorraine which is known as house of Habsburg-Lorraine.

Wasn't there only one Palatinate?

​@@_levi07: German word is Pfalzgraf, there had been in early years of HRE many ( for example the Pfalzgrafen of Tübingen), but as longer as Middle Ages lasted, nearly all dynasties ended, and their territories came under rule of other Houses. Now, what was a Pfalz? From start of HRE until the end, there was no official capital! So medieval german emperors and kings travelled through the Empire, with a large Gefolge ( don't know english word), snd at places, where the Emperor and his Gefolge did a longer stop, local nobles, officials, clerics, judges etc. came to speak with the Emperor ( and officials travelling with him) and all kind of things had been done , nowadays being done in capital. Those Pfalzen had been mostly only lightly fortified groups of houses on crown land. In those houses , surrouded by the fortifications, food, firewood, eqipment etc. produced on crownland was stored. The Emperor and his Gefolge travelled from one Pfalz to the next, there they could resupply and doing some necessary repairs and spend a few days of recovery (?) / Erholung. In socalled Interregnum, ehen between 1254 and 1274 HRE had no real Emperor, most nobles and knights ( up to 1496 no part of german nobility) grabbed the part of crownland they had to administrate , as their own territory, but this is annother long (!) story.

That is comical, the larp is real

⁠@@sebe2255I mean… not really, it’s just the law as it’s written.

@@Edmonton-of2ec No the law abolished titles, they just let them keep the larp

@@sebe2255 … you literally missed the entire point of the comment. Yes, the titles were abolished but they were INCORPORATED INTO THE LAST NAME of individuals. It’s not larp, it’s the legal last names people have held for a 100 years. Like, they would have to formally request as name change, like anyone altering their last name would

@@Edmonton-of2ec Sure it is their last name, but it is still larp. Larping as nobles they aren’t anymore. Because it isn’t just a last name they held for 100s of years. Their last name was never Prinz von Preussen lmao

Licht und lachen sind bei mir gleich.

@@thomashamann7035 Lassen Sie mich raten: Sie sind Schweizer? In der schweizerischen Variante des deutschen werden, glaube ich, einige Worte anders betont bzw. ausgesprochen als auf Hochdeutsch.

@@dorderre Nein. Ich bin deutscher und Hochdeutsch ist meine Muttersprache. Und sie?

In fact, the words for light and laugh in Middle English would have sounded more like the German words because the gh in light and laughen (which means laugh in Middle English) was actually pronounced around the same way as the ch in licht and lachen. As Middle English transitioned to Modern English, the gh in light became silent while the gh in laugh came to be pronounced like an f.

@@thomashamann7035 Dito, auch deutsch. Genauer: sächsisch, mit Einflüssen aus dem hamburgischen, berlinerischen, kölschen, hessischen, badischen und fränkischen (ich bin viel rumgekommen xD). Der erste Gedanke war halt Schweiz, weil das "ch" auf hochdeutsch klar unterscheidet zwischen der Aussprache in zB, siehe oben, Licht und Lachen. Falls ich daneben lag, tut mir das leid. Aus welcher Gegend kommen Sie bzw welchen Dialekt sprechen Sie hauptsächlich?

That family had married well

It didn't 😂😂 that's why it slowly rotted away.

@@lightyagami3492It didn’t really slowly rot away. It was ended because of Napoleon’s humiliation of the Empire and Austria. Not as a result of the divided nature of the Empire. On top of that they replaced it with a slightly less confusing but equally divided confederation anyway

@@lightyagami3492 almost 800 Years and you call it "slowly", you should work on your sense of time.

The German Empire was a federal state, just like modern Germany or the USA. That's how it worked. The German Emperor wasn't really the overlord of the other princes but sort of a "crowned president", first among equals. (In reality he was of course the monarch of the most powerful german state, Prussia, and thus the de facto hegemon). But the other states still had a fair amount of internal autonomy. Also, despite the fact that this state was an Empire, three of its member states (Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck) were city republics. This was the reason why the former bavarian crown prince Rupprecht proposed to reestablish the Kingdom of Bavaria after WW2 within a new german republic, arguing that if a republic had been part of a monarchy, a monarchy could as well be part of a republic. But of course this didn't happen.

Jesus Christus

That family is a legitimate nightmare. Their choice of naming conventions is just… *why*

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The senior branch, that held the Electorate of Saxony, died out, but the junior Lauenburg and Anhalt branches still existed. The Dukes of Saxe-Lauenburg (which lies nowhere near todays Saxony, it was located southeast of Hamburg) claimed to be the rightful heirs to the title and territory, but the Emperor gave the Electorate of Saxony to the House of Wettin instead, because they were more powerful and his allies. The Lauenburg branch died out later.

I mean… Catherine the Great belonged to this family so I’m kind of surprised it’s unknown

There are more, though

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​@@UsefulChartsthanks

most of these are Protestant, so I guess there is less of inter-marriage with the Spaniards then with the British

@@deutschermichel5807 I remember from a past video that he *is* a cousin of Prince Philip, and hence Charles III, as Former Queen Sofia was a Princess of Greece and Denmark. But given she’s barred from inheriting any German titles by Salic law, she’s likely not relevant to this particular question of succession.

@@cakt1991Sophia renounced any claims thru her Greek family when she married her husband then King Juan Carlos, aka royalty prenups

@@omargonzales9344 I had a feeling that was the case, especially since I remember Prince Philip did as well. She’s not relevant either way, but it’s still a fun blood connection, since King Felipe is so well-connected in most other regards.

​@@cakt1991Prince Philip was first cousin twice removed of King Felipe VI

Fun fact: The house of Bernadotte (the Swedish royal family) owns one of the 3 largest islands in Lake Constance (South of Germany - the island is called "Mainau island") along with a chunk of land next to it through one of their junior branches. The Swedish Queen apparently visits the place every year to relax (it's a tourist region) and meet with the Bernadotte relatives living there.

Nope. Charles is only a distant paternal relative of the rulers of the Grand Duchy of Oldenburg, and there are infinitely many more people before him who are in line to claim that throne

@@Edmonton-of2ec Maybe he meant that in sense that repeatedly on this channel succession rules were "twisted" so it magicaly ended with Elisabeth II. And her eldest son and heir is Charles III.

@@kolomaznik333 This comment had literally nothing to do with the late Queen’s half of the family

Sorry, great-great grandfather!!

"Restore" the Japanese monarchy? It's still reigning :) But I did make a video about that here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bL-65NHzyJE.html

@@UsefulCharts he means the cadet branches of the imperial family that lost their imperial status after wwii

Ah, I think someone on the subreddit made a chart about that.

Hmm. Off the top of my head, I only remember Otto von Habsburg (the last crown prince of Austria-Hungary, active in the EU parliament; at the time of his death, he was a citizen of Germany, Austria, Hungary, and Croatia) and the two Grafen (counts) Lambsdorff (father and son), both prominent members of the German FDP party. The father rose up to minister for the economy; the son had a rather varied career (including both German federal and EU parliaments), but since 16 August 2023 (so four days ago) he is the German ambassador to Russia. But I'm sure there are more, especially of the lower-ranking nobility, as those don't tend to stick in the mind as much.

@@KaiHenningsen The new German ambassador to Russia, Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, is not the son of Otto Graf Lambsdorff. His father is Hagen Graf Lambsdorff, brother of Otto and himself a former ambassador/diplomat.

Wied had already been mediatized (got its sovereignty cancelled, that is) up to the point when Napoleon swiped across Europe; maybe you should expect to see them in the episode of Monarchs of Albania. however, there were additionally the Duchy of Aremberg (held by the House of Ligne), the Principalities of Isenburg (held by native lords, the Isenburgs), Salm (held by the Wild- and Rhinegravial House of Stein) and Leyen (held by the House of the Leyen (unrelated to Ursula von der Leyen; the two families just coincides in names)) spreading across the German lands when Napoleon initially set up the Rhine Confederation, as well as the Napoleonic creations of the Grand Duchy of Berg (for Joachim Murat) and the Kingdom of Westphalia (for his brother Hieronymus Bonaparte). making an extra episode about them might be good as well. @UsefulCharts

@@ignatiusqi9736 Well, but the King of Westphalia was Joseh Bonaparte, King "Lustick", not this Hieronymus.

¡José Bonaparte, 1º Nápoles, 2º Rey de España !@@davidcomtedeherstal

@@y4747t Sorry. Ich meinte Jerome.

That's because it's not always a hard rule. Seniority - in the case of salic law - means the line that comes from the oldest son's oldest son's... So when sons have sons things are dandy and fine. But when those sons don't have sons of their own, or that they disqualified themselves and their descandants , or when their marry below their rank (left to the appreciation of the house's head) figuring who is supposed to be the next head and who is the most senior can be tricky (and it's not liek politics and affinity don't play a role into it).

It’s basically who’s descended from the eldest descendants of the founder of a family.

These are not real titles though, they may use them privately but with the same legal right as I may call myself Emperor of the Antarctic. Perhaps they are part of their surnames, but nothing more.