@@Mr_Glenn I have two 600’s and an R1M. That litre bike is just a different level though. Still prefer the 600’s though for riding. Greta handling, lower first gear, and corner so well at the race track.
@@ZacharyDimas you definitely don’t own a liter bike 🤣 they have far more low end torque, launch control, and first gear on my R1M will hit 75, shift gears and you’re already passing 100. They are not very slow and it will smoke both of my R6’s stock.
@@ZacharyDimasno they don’t. Know your stuff before you comment stuff like this. They go 0-60 in 2.7 seconds 😂in what world is that slow. They accelerate faster than almost anything else on the street. Only few hypercars can accelerate faster than a 1000cc bike and it’s because those cars are hybrid/electric. Wait until our Superbikes are hybrid or fully electric then it’s all over with due to power:weight ratio.
@@therealdrtydanlol😂😂 don't let that f4i get jealous man.. tell her it's still a nice ride.. I used to have a r1 and they are a bit nicer but those honda f4i are a work of art
A month ago my father hit the wall doing 170 mph on 101 in Phoenix, AZ. A last second hard swerve and sheer absolute luck sent him off the bike, rolling across the highway. He went from dying instantaneously to being able to walk away with not one broken bone. This is absurdly lucky, and i couldnt be thankful enough. Ride safe.
100% truth. I just rented a 150cc on my vacation and I had more fun in that little thing that I ever did in my zx10r. Definitely considering a smaller bike now
@@codyeller7606 you can handle the bike but after a certain point of power it's fucking pointless . My bike is nowhere near the power of this one it has 100 hp and 100 nm of tork and thats more than enough to go triple digits real fast and even do a powerwheelie and all of these while being really comfortable. Tell me whats the point of upgrading to a bike with almost double the power than mine while also being uncomfortable as hell.
Basically anything bigger than 500cc will mop the floor with 90%of the cars on the road. To me naked bikes hit the sweet spot: torque lower in the revs, less back pain and cheaper insurance and all the fun of sport bikes.My duke 690 is basically a tractor a low rpm and you can very easily exceed the speed limit without realising it. No need to go 200mph to pass other cars, you only need to go faster than them;)
I used to daily a cbr1000 through Manila's finest traffic. It could be a pain at times when I get stuck in rush hour traffic, but whenever I park it, I justcan't help but look back and admire my bike.
I like my ninja 400 but compared to my 650 its smoother, comfortable, less vibration iusse normal (had to remove the horn on the 400), slightly heavy which to isnt a bad thing to me, might even be better at stoping with duel rotors. I bought my 650 this year new and already have 2500 miles on it. Just all round a great bike just sharing my opinion.
You don't even need a 600 for the street if the rationale is that most people can't get peak performance out of the liter bike. Most people won't get it out of the 600 either. Hell, most riders couldn't push a Ninja 250 to 100% on the street.
There is a more usual difference between those who ride a 600cc and 1000cc. In that the former are less inclined to make lame justifications as if the power is necessary. Rather they already know it's overkill. People on 1000cc however more typically have a certain ego about why it's required. As if the extra torque and power is necessary. All in all I don't judge what someone rides but when they start capping is when it starts getting ridiculous. Be so much easier if people were just honest about why they buy it and it doesn't have to be for practical reasons.
Yeah some people buy sportbikes just for how they look, but they don't use or need the power, and ride them in ways the machine does not agree with. The torquey R7 is great, it looks pretty, the engine is less aggressive its still competition focused though for when you open it up. More forgiving of a bike, people should get those and the RS660 more often.
Having that extra power can actually save you in an emergency. But it can also kill you. Just like any size bike. What ever bike suits you is the right one.
My old 1100 slabby is a nightmare here in Aus,there's either a cop,speed camera,revenue raiser or arsehole cutting in front of you around every corner might as well be on a CT90
I've have been saying the same thing for years... Over 45 years of riding experience. And, once I got humbled by 600's on my R1 I went down to a 600 to end up buying a sumo 450. Best most fun bike I've ever owned (rode). Wont ever ride anything bigger then that again.... No need too...
I also had a yamaha r1 but I think I'm going with the bmw f900r naked bike next.. it has about the same hp as 600cc super sport bikes like the r6 or the cbr 600rr
@R6trackaddict66 wow that's awesome .. that means you started riding at age 12.. at round the same age I started riding motocross bikes but I don't have close the experience you have ... riding all those years, I bet you are one he'll of a rider... stay safe my brother and many blessings to you and your family!
@@Ninimara952 Yeah, started on a Honda trail 70cc. And, fell in love. But, I started riding BMX stunts first at age 7. Kept on BMX while learning how to ride motos. The transition was very easy for me. It's funny how at my age I still like (and can ride fast) going fast. Lol. You also stay safe and on 2 wheels. Or 1 LMAO. Blessings rider!🤝
1000cc bikes are nice for freeway riding because you got extra power to pass cars quickly or get out of the way of someone. Plus youre not constanly in the higher RPM range.
Lol 1000s are great but thats a bad argument in favor of them.. 600s have plenty to haul ass and get around anything. And theyre happy at high rpm so whats the problem with it
@@pootmahgoots8482 - That is some serious reach there man. Pretty sure the cost in insurance will exponentially offset anything you "save" in fuel economy.
@@eljefe9377 did quotes on bikes and I believe most who own a 1000 don't get full coverage. I have a perfect record at age 29, with USAA (they transferred me over to Progressive), have the "M" on my license and these are the quotes: - R3 and CBR500R - $72/month - CBR650R - $240/month - R1 - $500/month All 2022 models 300cc class it is for me
Ya I agree. Most of the time you are stuck in traffic plus speed limits and radars mean 60 Miles and hour or so. There is a difference between serious riders and show offs. You just want riding pleasure lower power is way to go. Plus most important safety. More you drive safer ride you need.
Agreed. But the power of a 1000 can be a lot of fun to some. That’s the point of motorcycling in the first place. 600’s are often faster through the really twisty bits, though. No motorcycle is safe. Just practice and choose your battles (if any) wisely. Sorry for your loss.
You really dont need a big machine in a city like NYC... _but_ if he is inexperienced or not it should be his decision, and his alone, how to waste his own money (if it's really his own money) and some modell's only exsist as 1000ccm bike's and looking hella smexy. Even a Car in NYC whould be nonsense for be but still, everyone should make his own decision.
@@rodrigovaccari7547 Ah, then it really is bether that way, hehe. Some thing are diferrent and more expensive in amerika, here in europe it's ok to take a little loan to buy a vehicle as long as the expenses in the year are in your budget. I even have one if my motorcycles licence plate's and stuff nor even from my own home country becouse the exoenses in my neighbouring country are for motorcycles more cheaper, that's a great thing when you live in the EU. ☆
I love my S1000RR and even though there are some advantages when picking a 600, I wouldn‘t want anything else than my 1000. Maybe getting a 600 as a second bike though
I rode my dad's 125cc bike when I was a kid (I still do) But now I've rode my friends bikes who have 350, 500, 900cc motorcycles and now I'm planning to get one of mine becuz I learnt to ride every bike possible dirt bikes, sports bikes, Scramblers but I loved the Cruiser. So going for an Indian Scout or BMW R18. Wish me luck and some suggestions if you have 🤞😅
As someone who’s had an R6 and an R1, I promise you the R1 is much funner and cuts through highway wind much cleaner than a 600. To his point, the R1 did almost kill me in 2014 and haven’t rode since.
I’ve got a K-1200 S I ride it all the time. From getting groceries to long-distance high-speed sport touring. If 1000 cc is too much for you, get a smaller bike but keep it to yourself.
I started on a tuned modded zx10r. Its 200hp stock. Just because you have all the power doesnt mean you need to use it all the time. I have a fast car too so i have the chill you need. I do go fast but theres a time and place.
My daily rider is an R1 💀 I gave other bikes... such as YZFR-125 and ZX6R (both for Track use) and a Hyabusa (Non Turbo Project bike). The R1 feels more like a glorified scooter half the time just keep it in 1st gear, only time the R1 is any fun is on the motorway with adjustable numberplate 😅
No one ever? Nope, plenty of people unfortunately Are you wrong about the point you're making, hell no. It's negligible and not a point worth making unless all you do is make U-turns I don't know why so many people perpetuate that. Just a white lie for younger riders
@@ihateeverything3972it’s not negligible AT ALL in the mountains or on the track. There’s a reason u see a lot 1ks getting passed by 600’s and DEFINITELY 750’s at track days. Most 1k riders would be faster on a 750 and maybe even a 600 everywhere besides a straight line on the interstate and the back straight on a track.
Cc isn’t always translating to hp. Sometimes you have like 900-1000cc with just 80hp-95hp. The benefit of it is that you have more torque in low ref and no torque pikes in high ref. Making the bike smoother to ride. It personal preference which one you like more. But other than I absolutely agree, more than 120hp is useless also in Germany
small cc is simply more fun. I have ridden many bikes and without a doubt smaller cc bikes are simply better for making one smile. The entire point of riding is the emotion, with smaller cc you can get so much more emotion out of the bike
The 2 bikes I will never part with. 1) 2008, buell xb12R 2) Honda helix. Both of these bikes fully support my needs and complete each other. One for easy cruising and one for fun activities. Nothing like my favorite bud and a beach helix ride with my girl.
They are discontinuing most, or limiting them to smaller Markets worldwide. Even Moto GP will go down to 850cc in 2027. Tires cant handle too much “Powa”
Had a dude, knew through a motor group in San Antonio, he rode a stretched H2. Dude never lost a street race, but lost his life to a salty loser of his. Speed is fun guys, but having a life sounds better.
Not gonna lie here in Europe, specially Spain, you can get a liter bike for the same price of a 600cc in second hand market. It is sad but r6 are like 13-15k while fireblades or gixxers are 10k
1000cc ain’t hard to ride to its potential if you’ve been riding and learning racing techniques. Riding isn’t magic, it takes time and effort but it’s not hard
In my experience, I’ve had way more fun riding my 2016 FZ-07 than I do my 2014 R1 simply because I could actually push that bike to its limits and it’s easy to throw over in the curves. I’ll never be able to do that with my R1. When it comes to speeding, I will say that I’ve had far more close calls riding the speed limit than when I speed. Your average cager is more likely to kill you on the streets than you are yourself speeding on the streets. I’ve had friends that have died speeding, but I’ve actually known more to die doing the speed limit due to people texting and driving, not checking blind spots, or just pulling out in front of them because “I couldn’t see them”.
I see what he's talking about, but the weight has never been my problem. It's the heat from running the bike in traffic. That thing would make dinner if you could balance the pot on it 😂
I ride an old blackbird, its effortless to ride and comfortable. When I get on my gsxr600 i really notice the difference, the 600 needs to be worked. You dont have to ride a litre bike on the limiter
You’re right! …however I happen to own a CBR 600 AND an s1000r. Granted the s1k is the single “r” and there by geared a little lower than the double r but I can honestly say. The s1k is by far the bike I ride the most! It is a lot more fun than the 600!
U explained it beautifully, looking to get my first bike and generally I like power but this video makes so much sense I'm no longer going to gloat over big bikes anymore
Riding a Trident 660 and completely agree. There is no way I am going to use all that power on the streets. I feel Ninja 650 is best suited for riders like me.
I live in Texas, north Texas. A 600 would be a joke. Speed limit is 85, can get away with 100 easy. Ringing out a 600 in 10k+ rpms, or cruising a liter bike at 6k rpms. It's a longevity of engine life here. I also ride a Grom around town. Dare the cars to hit me. Lol.
THIS IS THE BEST AND MOST ACCURATE COMMENT ON THIS THREAT!!! that’s the best, experience u can ever have on a bike. The most fun you’ll ever have. It’s also the most enlightening experience u can have. 1 or 2 track days will lower your chances of killing yourself on the street. For 1, u learn about how to push the bike, how far u actually can push the bike, more about what “fast” really feels like, what your actual skill level is and what it feels like to feel confident and comfortable pushing it without that fear of the unknown hazard around the corner. That fear being gone makes u learn 10x faster. U learn more in your first 2 track days than u learn your first 2 YEARS on the street. The second thing it does is change your whole thought process. A track day is a life changer. I think it’s a life saver actually because once u experience all the thrill of pushing the bike and yourself harder than u ever have on the street and doing it without the risk of hitting a tree or hydrant or guardrail or CAR, it both makes u faster on the street without even having to push while making u no longer feel the need to push on the street. It just makes riding hard on the street less appealing. U no longer have that voice in your head saying “I wanna see how fast I can take this curve”. That whole though process is just gone because the track has already shown u how fast u can take that curve. EVERY rider should do at least 1 or 2 track days their first or second year of owning a bike. Track days are the best advice any rider could ever give a new rider.
Chicken Strips don't really mean nothing imo. I used to have them on my tires for a good while after I put new ones on and being just a casual rider. Whatever you're riding style is just stay safe!
Still safer than cars imo. According to statistics, if you know what you're doing And respect your ride, you're less likely to crash than other road vehicles
i bought a zx14rr. the only reason I did..i'm 6'2"ish, i spent a saturday hitting all the dealers in town, and it was the only thing i felt comfortable on. i would have went with a 600, but i felt way too scrunched up. coming from a 1980 harley, and not riding for 3 years before i bought it...this has scared me a few times, lol. but i totally love the bike.
A dear friend of mine bought an R1 as a first bike. Despite protests from friends and family, he was adamant. A few weeks later, he lost control and was cut in half by a tree. That was 12 years ago and the sight of that is still vivid in my head. Stupid bastard.
My buddy got an sv1000 and I got an fz6. He and I, beforehand, said that liter bikes were alright on the street. Now, we both officially say a 600cc is more than enough for the road. 1000cc's are beyond unnecessary. Dont get me wrong tho, sometimes that's awesome! 😅😂
My buddy got a 600. Crashed in 5 months. Broken ribs and a collarbone. WAY too fast on an off ramp trying to brag later about the speed he was going... Anyway... 15 years of not riding later, he tells me he wants to get back into riding, but is convinced he needs a 1000, because. (He never got back into riding)
This is 100% true. A 250-300, especially doing track days, will teach you things u just never learn on a 600-1k. There’s a guy who goes to little talladega all the time on a 250 and he passes 600’s and 1k’s constantly. They catch him on the straights at first but after a couple laps, he builds a lead big enough that the straight isn’t long enough for them to catch him. He just keeps pulling away from em. Fact is, u learn effective cornering faster and more thoroughly on a 250 because u don’t have all that power to make up for sub par breaking, entry speed, line selection, throttle management and exit drive/timing. U can also be more relaxed and learn more about feel and bar feedback. U have a better understanding of what the bike and the tires are telling you in a corner. The better u are with the 250 with those things, the better that knowledge transfers to bigger bikes. Ppl who learned by doing track days on a 250, are safer and faster on any bike they decide to hop on. I’d put that guy on a 600 against anyone on a 1k besides pro racers.
U made the best comment on this entire video. If u ever get the chance, PLEASE do a track day. I promise you it’ll be the most fun u ever had on a bike. Nothing else even comes close and this is coming from someone who lives less than an hour from Deals Gap “The Dragon” us-129 (look it up). I wish I could convey how much fun that shit is.
Imagine putting in so much hard work to buy a GSXR, finally fulfilling your dream of motorcycling with the money you earned. Then, a random person mocks your bike because some RU-vidr dislikes it. It's just disheartening.😑👍
I have been saying this since selling powersports since 2009. I dont know a single person that could use a ninja 250 to its full potential on the street.
Most 1000cc bikes have more horsepower than my jeep does.. my 4000lbs jeep had 190hp when brand new in 2003, I’d be lucky if I’m making 150hp now. You really don’t need a 200hp bike but I sure want one
The R1 weighs 9kg/19lbs more than the R6… you don’t notice the weight. I ride a s1000rr, I notice no difference compared to my R6. S1000rr has the power there if you want it, but riding feels the same. He is right though… you’ll never use it to its full ability unless you know what you are doing. BMW was a dream bike for me, so idc. Also putting in rain mode makes it extremely easy to transition.
Sometimes I think that my 660cc bike is too much for regular street riding. Like, I can do 220km/h? That’s cool but I’m riding at 60km/h 70% of the time and maybe 80km/h on country roads. Too many of my friends say “Once you’ve gone to a litre bike you’ll never look back” and that may be true for some, but I really don’t mind the mid to low cc bikes I’ve been riding. I fill up my fuel tank once a week, put 200 or so kms on the odo in that week and have a blast the whole time
Honda cb1000r street naked is my only motorcycle 😂 i use it literally for everything. My daily ride to work. Weekend rides with the motorcycle group. Track days. So much torue i love it. Yes in city its a overkill but i dont even need to rev it a lot to keep going. Under 3000rpm in 4th gear im cruisn in city.
