Why 17 Million Telegrams Are Still Sent Every Year 

Thats interesting

Also in most Balkan countries

Interesting

At least it must be better than the phone ringing every few minutes, that's emotionally draining but people do it anyway.

@Hernando Malinche we still do it, I don't know how it started though

When you sent the telegram was it addressed to a specific person or address? How would you know where to send it?

@@thisisAB He either had been to the friend’s house before, or the friend told him where their house was.

@@thisisAB It’s a long story, but here goes: My great uncle went to Japan in 1945 as an attorney on General MacArthur’s staff and never came back. BTW, he helped write the Japanese constitution and is considered a hero of free speech in Japan by the National Broadcasting Service (NHK). Since he never married, he adopted his Japanese assistant, who was married with four children and several grandchildren. By the time I got to visit my Japanese family, my great uncle had passed away. I was living in Korea at the time and had interpreter friends throughout Asia, including Japan. They helped me make the arrangements.

I guess it is in line with the idea that written letters are more honorable than media as disposable as text messages, faxes or email.

@@schlachthaus5 interesting! do you have any NHK articles about him?

Wow. I've seen the word dateline before (as a TV current affairs show title), but despite having a big interest in journalism and having worked at a newspaper for a short time, I've never thought about what a dateline actually was, i.e. the date that the report was filed. I know the word byline of course, but again I've never thought of it in the literal sense of the writer's name being on one line and the filing date being on another line, both appearing after the headline. I've never had reason to think of a report being out of date even before it goes to print.

Thank you for your hard work! My mom uses it often in her work, and she occasionally does it, and it's necessary and difficult, and truly important. Thank you

@@donaloflynn byline is also used in publishing, if a writer wishes to have the work published under anything but their legal name. The legal name should be also on correspondence with the publisher, but in e.g., a short story, the byline is on the title page (and the short form of the legal name on the running headers of the whole work).

Microfilm & fiche -- there's a technology that hung on well beyond its expiration date. I worked for about 8 years total in COM (computer output microfilm) service bureaus. That was in the 80s and 90s and the belief among my peers was that much of the business was due to the IRS only accepting silver halide film as archival quality. Once they OK'd data on compact disc the industry was truly dead. I still miss Bell & Howell 3800 series recorders; they were built like tanks and simple enough for operators to make some minor temporary repairs... just like working on your own car is now much harder, I disliked Datagraphix XFP hardware when I was forced to work on it after First Image bought out Anacomp's fiche business. The culture at work also took a turn for the worse, as is often the case with mergers.

1860s? You must be really really old lol.

I mean, you can't turn off notifications in a pager

~2 years ago I was in the Westfield shopping centre in Shepard's Bush, London and the food court were still using pagers which were given to customers to tell them when to pick up the food they ordered from the counter since people can't be expected to download a stupid phone app or hear someone loudly shout "ORDER #420 IS READY"

Because radiowaves used in pagers better penetrate lots of walls and floors, than phone signal. You can have no cell service somwhere in the basement, but still have pager connection

EMTs use them in my country.

(Volunteer) Firefighters also carry pagers to receive alarms

Have a look on here for The Transatlantic Telegraph Cable: A Tale of Extraordinary Perseverance

There are many videos on this. The first few lines, even after great effort and resources, DIDN'T work. It was quite a leap of faith to even try again and again.

It was a pretty wild ride, too. It took multiple attempts to work, some of the tries failed because the wire snapped and one even failed because it was attacked by sharks, if I recall correctly.

Vertasium touched a bit on his latest videos about laying the cables across the atlantic

someone made it recently and its really good, it talks of history of ocean cables

I couldn't find anything on that, if you can find a source for me i know some people that would happily do that for their amusement. Unfortunately there's a digital component as of over a decade ago so i think the reply would be "have you filed online yet"

Seems like a really cool guy.

@@joshuacheung6518 real reply would be "S1 already lost your DA31"

@@Zzzlaldkfjrowpq couple of my friends are fairly close with their CC, so maybe not

Telegram use in military began phase out after Vietnam. They were discontinued in 2006.

As a software engineer, I have to be on-call if our services is break, and we receive pagers for this purpose.

There's also the shocking interference thing... There are important medical devices (those I know specifically called out some suspect ventilators) that change their settings when a cell phone is being used nearby. Somehow, loop removal and RF shielding are not that functional in the highly regulated medical space

Up until about 2008 I was still using pagers to get notifications out to on call telecommunications techs as well- primarily for the same reasons in that the signal would have enough range and potential to still work in pretty much anything short of a complete meltdown of the electrical grid + mobile phone and landline services. Given it was our job to make sure the right guy gets to the right spot for all the potentially wrong reasons. Eventually it was phased out by SMS services due to multi-carrier support and an overall increase in the overlapping density of signals What never went away however, was fax machines, they might look like a scanner and be just software for the most part daisy chained into the IP phone network, but its still a fax and like in most places its legal documentation- its got when, from where and a signature on it. That might not seem like much, but its pretty hard to spoof that kind of info into emails to the level of being 'without doubt' and in the business at the time of doing a lot of legal things ranging from dealing with banks to police and security services it covered everything from 'go stock my cash machine' to 'secret government search actions' requiring a judge to sign off on it.

Huh, that's kinda wild

It's *not* that "the radio frequencies pass the walls far easier than the frequencies used by cell phones". It's the fact a paging transmitter can put out 250, 500, or 650 watts vs. the 35 watts from a cellular transmitter. Depending on the paging operator, they transmit on around 150 MHz, 450 MHz and/or 935-ish MHz. So it's more than just the specific absorption rate of brick and concrete.

They sound like a couple of tight wads!

should i skip school for youtube video making? i making good stuff but i need much time to making. maybe replace school with making videos. i have two girlfriends. thanks for your opinion dear san

@@AxxLAfriku stay in school bro

@@AxxLAfriku If you can do the work, do both. If you can't, stay in school, and then do youtube later in life.

“Here’s my two weeks notice” “Alright, see you in court you piece of shit.”

@@AxxLAfriku if you can have two girlfriends you can do school and yt you poser

I believe most are using pagers

The specific details depend on the country In Germany you write them online and they get delivered by the mail man as a special way of delivering wishes and congratulations In some third world places there is still no reliable or affordable phone or internet connection and there are really actual telegraph connections but they die of quickly There is also in some places a structure like telegrams established as a backup for catastrophic takedowns of the communication network although this is typically not over wie by real connection and messengers delivering the messages

In Brazil you can request a telegram online but they will arrive at the destination in printed form just like a letter. (Our IRS still likes to send telegrams probably because it leaves the printing job to the mail)

@@gjvnq nem sabia que a gente tinha isso kkkk

Oi, telegram guv’nor!

As a ham operator, CW can be immediate two-way if you've got someone on the same frequency. But I never considered transmitting a message via a third-party before! Makes me want to learn morse code.

@@jr637-1 hams used to do phone patches fairly regularly for overseas troops or scientists in Antarctica. I think that's no longer as common; other than some local repeaters I don't know of anyone who does phone patches anymore.

Don't you love the return of bot replies, man youtube is really trying when a link with the word nude in it is clear to post.

@@texasyojimbo I think they still do it for the ARISS (Amateur radio on International Space Station) events where astronauts talk to kids at schools. NASA can stream the event online but they use radios as an educational opportunity and i've seen them set up at 1 school or at a NASA facility then phone patch to others to get more kids involved .

@@flazzorb I mean TBF your reply has that word in it too🤪

Faxes are still heavily used on countries where the writing system is not fully conducive for keyboard use, especially in Japan.

For boomers, faxes are in practice faster and more secure. No computer user error, the paper just comes right out of the fax machine. Plus in healthcare, faxes are always HIPAA-compliant, so it's a no-brainer until more places go paperless and the old staff retire.

Lawyers, banks, and hospitals still live and die by the fax. I can't sign an iPad. :-) ('tho my lawyers have been accepting digital signatures for a while now. DocuSign makes their life so much better. But there are still things that require my hand written signature.)

@@thermitekitty9070 Note: Faxes are not encrypted! What's going on the phone line is very easily intercepted TIFF image data. (what many people see as "a fax" today are actually scan-to-email, or scan-to-print systems over internal IP networks.)

Somehow a fax machine feels more outdated to me than a telegram.

It really be like that in the 19th and early 20th centuries though. 💀💀💀 Some men married several times before they themselves died.

Ikr lol

Same with the so after you’re done proving you didn’t kill your husband in court

Condolences

In Germany the health authorities Had used fax which is basically the same. To the Beginn of Covid 19

It's the common way to send condolences in Italy

Yeah I SMH whenever I hear someone say $3.99 instead of $4. Or even worse they ignore the entire .99 and say $3.

nice.

@@ThePrufessa I think you missed the joke sir

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@@ThePrufessa r/whoosh

Actually, you are.

The reason? You have 0 likes

same

@@talkalexis well , actually he is not cuz he has more than 0 likes

Me too 😂

thought the same while watching the video... that´s 100 times harder to pull off than the rest of the network/ sending/receiving-stations

Therefore it had to be tried several times - but I'm not sure anymore how often

And they had to use another technological marvel of the day, the SS Great Eastern to pull it off too.

FING OCEAN

Built be the man with the coolest/most powerful sounding name ever.@@StuffandThings_

How About iPhone 12 ?

If you've ever had one of those hockey puck your-table-is-ready things, you've had a modern "pager".

"Telegrams have no practical value. They cannot be sent to locations near you, because virtually all of them have closed, so telegrams are just sent wherever and then brought by the USPS like normal mail. The only advantages then are weird legal trivia and a sort of faux historic romanticism." Me - Congratulations on regurgitating what we just watched. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@BatCaveOz that what the video says

@@jfbeam Those are actually older than pagers.

The nerd force is strong with this one! (And I love it)

Awesome find!

there is zero purpose in knowing this except to create this comment

Knowing this is a byproduct of thoroughly studying grammar

@@mateuszbugaj799 The dude speaks bible

He should probably go ahead and deliver that telegram already. It may be important!

My grandfather grew up in a post office and (presumably because he already knew morse code) was a signaller in WW1

We still use pagers in (higher end) restaurants for when customers on table wait list … they are alerted by the pager & return it as escorted to available table

Military instillations and companies that handle confidential information use them as well. Buildings block most forms of communication without landlines or pagers since they work differently than other forms.

I prefer to use a slide rule for approximate calculations because it essentially allows you to see the whole times table (or sine, log, etc) at a glance giving you a better intuition for the proportionality of what you're doing. I consider it a major disadvantage of electronic calculators that numbers easily become meaningless to the user.

Oh yeah, this is why trains and bicycles will never die: they’re incredibly efficient in one specific niche

Medical records are also faxed more than other things. Also most of the pay phones in the Vancouver area seem to be at St Paul's Hospital.

I haven't seen a hospital without universal Wifi everywhere. With "voice over wifi" on just about everything these days, your cellphone will work everywhere as well. The problem is speed, security, and reliability. Pagers use very little power -- the one I had in the 90's would last a month or more on a single AA. Since the entire system is on-site, it doesn't rely on a great deal of outside services (towers, routers, messaging gateways, etc.) -- you have 100% control over all of it. Today you could get the same results with skype or any number of VoIP/IM apps. But the low power of pagers, and the fact the user can do anything else to them...

Yes, for things like medical records you don't really want everything e-mailed since that leaves a permanent copy of records in the system. Imagine someone getting into an email of a doctor with hundreds of people's records in their email.

@@jfbeam The 100% control over all of it doesn't really apply though, as a typical hospital would have support contracts on most of such equipment, meaning if anything broke they call the manufacturer. Much like when taking any other system actually. Security is not a typical feature of pagers, they can easily be spoofed and listened to by third parties, it's just that they're so simple there's not much to break. Skype, Lync, Teams, Skype for Business or whatever Microsoft decides to call Skype tomorrow is not something that would ever replace pagers, while it works pretty good it is intended as an entirely different thing. A VoIP solution seems nice, but is expensive to setup, complex and thus expensive to maintain.

Large buildings usually have cellphone antennas inside

As your words probably were if you sent a message over the internet. Intercontinental internet cable are underwater as well

this is true with the internet. the internet is connected via underwater fiberoptic cables

Nicely done sir!

I think the Japanese invented fax machines (because it was a good way to send messages in their character-based script), so I'm not surprised they're still popular there.

@@maddyg3208 I mean, I live in Canada and they're still around. On the decline, sure, but still essential for navigating the courts and bureaucracy yet to or unwilling to switch to email systems.

Japan is also an interesting place in that a huge percentage of managers and supervisors are over 70 so that's about as advanced as they can get.

I remember that in the bbc show sherlock (the one that is a reimagination of sherlock in the new times) in the wedding episode they called the letters that also were from the people that couldn't be there telegrams too (atleast in the german version), they are read out by the groom. Like in that case I doubt it was actual telegrams but more so that they were called that way. That leads me to believe that it could be a wedding tradition in general (or atleast in the UK or in a weirder case in germany because it was the german dub) althought I can't find anything right now that would prove me right. If you want to know in more detail just write me up and I can look up if its refered to as telegrams in the english orginal dub too.

I mean, fax still exists for the same reason as telegrams: it’s instant and in writing

Also flag & signal flash.

Now that is an interesting fact I wasn't previously aware of, although I did know about semaphore signalling in a maritime context. I'd never really thought about the significance of names like "Telegraph Hill" or Telegraph Point" in reference to land-based semaphore telegraph. I presume that names like "Telegraph Road" (common to many cities/towns) came about after the introduction of the electrical telegraph, referring to long strips of land that were clear-felled and/or graded to allow for the installation/maintenance of telegraph wires, and so became main routes of fast and easy travel between major locations.

nOt gOiNg tO sAy nAmE

How else could they be delivered? I think telegrams have been delivered that way for a long time.

@@EebstertheGreat Can only tell you how they were delivered in the US, not sure it is the same for all other countries.

@@fcalba I looked it up, and I guess before widespread telephones, telegram companies would pay couriers on bikes to deliver telegrams in cities. So I guess that's one other way.

@@bniisantos your keyboard seems broken

I was thinking the exact same Thing. I pay 10€ for 13GB

Lmao I pay 16€ for unlimited data, sms and calls

ting is pretty expensive in the us actually. You can get unlimited data for about 30 dollars using which ever towers you want.

£20 gets me 100gb a month in the UK. The US and Canada are getting hella ripped off.

@@nonnodacciaio704 mine is unlimited too but the speed is limited after 35 gig

No worry about battery life? Well, not with the new fusion pager.

Unlimited everything 5G speeds 20€/mo with vodafone

Oh dear. My provider still charges $28.95 per message in addition to 88¢ per word. At least I'm not locked into a contract!

I have fond memories of wearing a Motorola Minitor III on my hip.

Every person in the medical industry: .-.

Are you on a shared cell phone plan?

@@MegaLokopo yes, my entire family uses the same mobile company and they offered us free unlimited data because we have other promotions and we're long-time customers. (We use TIM which is the biggest one in Italy)

@@marcosettembre That is impressive, but it sounds like you are still paying them money, so technically not free if that's the case, but still that is impressive.

@@marcosettembre free unlimited but they probably throttle speeds after 1GB

Normie

Same. Makes me want to send some to random people thinking that i was sending messages to the future 😂😂

I thought they stopped existing more than a hundred years ago. I mean, phones have been at least somewhat common for around a hundred years.

who is this

Searched by recent for this one

...do a video on why newspapers still exists? WHO and WHY?

Also buy a film camera

Newspapers are still cool ngl, better than to check the phone in the morning imo

VHS is pretty awesome. It allows you to watch your favorite movies whenever you want without the distraction by the possibility of watching other movies.

A CD player is too modern, use cassetes or those huge tapes

So . . . not really telegrams, then?

@@nelsonricardo3729 e-telegrams

@@nelsonricardo3729 The post prints it in the closest office to the destination and then sends it by motorcycle. It's same day delivery up until some 2 p.m.

That's brilliant!

Same

We do not say "it's" when we mean "its". We do not say "cache" (kash) when we mean "caché" (ka-shay). Credit to you for learning Morse code as a youth. Here's to better times.

The price of everything in the states is extortionate. 3-400 percent markups on everything compared to pre-pandemic. Fucking greedflation...

Wherever "here" is. And sms is dead, due to the internet. We are just a 2 person household, but with netflix and other streaming services, we use about 800gb per month. It's about 4GB per hour.

@@holger_p wifi?

@@priel4355 How you connect inside your house with cable or Wifi does not make any difference. It's not mobile phone, LTE, 5G or things like that. There 150GB would be around $50 for me. But I'm not streaming videos on my mobile.

I suppose you could read it as the first wife died and he remarried and should she also be at deaths door he would be better able to arrive before she died

At least they have fallback unlike third world countries

Isn't this is because Noah Webster made spelling reforms in the USA?

Yep a quick Google search confirmed my claim. Noah Webster published his dictionary containing the reforms in 1828, Morse got support for laying telegraph cables across the US in the 1830s. So, the telegram is maybe not the *reason* for the American spelling, but one of the propagators of it.

its a mix of the spellign reform, not wanting to be british, and that NEWSPAPERS charged by the letter for advertisements..

where the fuck do you live m8?

do you mean 15 GB per month? If yes, then mint mobile and visible offer better plans.

In India Airtel has a plan of 1.5 GB data per day for 28 days with unlimited calls and texts for Rs. 219 ($2.95)

Astroturfing moment

wow rumi seems to be #sponsored LOL

So you mean these words I'm typing were once on the very bottom of the atlantic?

Normie

No. They have to be transcribed on paper and hand delivered to the recipient. That's why it's called a teleGRAM. Telegraph was the mode of transmission and can include other modes besides CW. Facsimile and teletype are also forms of radio telegraphy.

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Nice

Could you pls explain this phenomenon.

The public doesn't have a problem with companies keeping records stored. They have a problem with corporations harvesting their personal information and selling it to other companies or entities. Or worse, like Facebook does.

There are many records that must be kept seven years due to many regulations. Often for tax purposes. The size of your company doesn't matter, but its service does.

@@Crazdor Also there's kinda two things being conflated here. People want some things stored but not others, specifically we all want to store data that could be relevant in a future legal case, like if there's a case about spousal abuse you obviously want to be able to use the messages sent between the two people as evidence in the court case. But what we don't want to be stored is information that is not relevant here, or not relevant in any society that respects privacy, so stuff like location data, posting habits, pictures and so on. Not to mention the point about legal use kinda also makes it clear why this shouldn't be used for profit. It should be pretty obvious that no one other than a court should ever have access to stuff that could be evidence and that in no way what so ever should companies be allowed to profit off that kinda information. I mean in a way that's basically a form of insider trading. Y'know if you set up a service handles private information then you should obviously take on these responsibilities. Saying modern tech companies shouldn't is a bit like saying if you start a railroad but do it in a slightly different way then it's ridiculous for the public to expect that you'd conform to the principles of the regulations that apply to railways.

@@frequentlycynical642 that is a good point. thanks. Some stuff we're only allowed to keep up to 30 days (or delete it early if requested by the user). as far as stuff I work with, we're not allowed to keep for 7 years lol. but then again stuff like email stays around so its clearly allowed in some cases

@@hedgehog3180 i 100% agree that modern tech companies should handle private info properly