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Why 3D Printing Struggles with Curved Surfaces  

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Curved surface finishes on 3D printed parts can often be challenging, especially with the appearance of layer lines as the part moves up the curve. In this video, we explain why these layer lines appear more distinct and guide you through some solutions that will help you improve the appearance of your parts.
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@slant3d
@slant3d 26 дней назад
Full Video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ujAwxSx63FE.htmlsi=HF2mAYt7LmsiZhWc
@heavyweather
@heavyweather 19 дней назад
Do you also print multi material? Would you say it is more expensive to print a small part completely in PA-CF compared to the main body in PA and only ~1/7 in PA-CF? It's also preferable in 2 materials as I don't need the strength and abrasiveness in the lower part. At the moment I am handfeeding the filament at a certain point. Got an IDEX printer but the cooling time between nozzle change is not great, I'd rather print the nylon in a continuous way. It's a valve adapter. Just wondering how you would solve that in production. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XK95hkC95I0.html
@jonslg240
@jonslg240 11 дней назад
I feel like you missed way #2: sanding
@t.n.k-willy6684
@t.n.k-willy6684 10 дней назад
Sand it
@stellataniaaa
@stellataniaaa 9 дней назад
😊p6
@aquadarkskull3248
@aquadarkskull3248 19 дней назад
Special technique: Sandpaper
@yoavbenclaudia3073
@yoavbenclaudia3073 17 дней назад
Honestly though, because that would remove any ugly layering. Even printing on the side still has the rigid wall, so sanding it down just seems the most logical.
@Muslim16572
@Muslim16572 17 дней назад
That's what I'm saying😆
@bappo218
@bappo218 15 дней назад
Bondo and sandpaper on top bro☝️
@Dimomult
@Dimomult 14 дней назад
While we both seem to be equally ingenious, i must concede that you are faster. Well done sir.
@bFOURdwZEROlf
@bFOURdwZEROlf 14 дней назад
I've done this on fingerboards (Yes Tech Decks) and it works!
@beez1717
@beez1717 26 дней назад
You can also sand it down to get that curve if you have thick enough layers to support doing that.
@slant3d
@slant3d 26 дней назад
Our videos deal with specifically mass production 3d printing. Sanding is fine for one-off parts, but sanding 10,000 parts is a lot of sanding.
@Donnerwamp
@Donnerwamp 23 дня назад
​@@slant3dDepending on how the part is made. If you can strap them together and get a decend finish with an orbital sander, it's rather quick.
@Ninjaeule97
@Ninjaeule97 21 день назад
@slant3d I'm pretty sure you could come up with an automated way to sand a lot of parts if you mass-produced 3d printed parts. The reason that no one does this is because 3d printing isn't designed for mass production but for prototyping. If you mass produce something you have the money to invest in injection molds.
@geraldsherwood6174
@geraldsherwood6174 19 дней назад
​@@slant3dThere's still layer lines though. At that point, wouldn't you want to just sand a fdm prototype then do injection molding?
@PeeperSnail
@PeeperSnail 19 дней назад
That’s a lot of microplastics
@jessicaholden3019
@jessicaholden3019 26 дней назад
Orca Slicer (and by extension Bambu Studio) has a dynamic layer height option for this! No need to do teeny layers the whole way.
@extragoode
@extragoode 25 дней назад
Cura has had dynamic layers for years too. Just in case that's your preferred slicer you don't have to switch.
@Wassermelonenbaum
@Wassermelonenbaum 25 дней назад
​@@extragoodetho you still should check Orca out and maybe switch anyways😅
@AckzaTV
@AckzaTV 25 дней назад
Ya but I always just hold it down and sand down my mouse, cuz I want that shit smooth ...is that the same tool? The little lines?
@AckzaTV
@AckzaTV 25 дней назад
Isn't orca slicer and banbu slicer all based on prusa slicer?
@Wassermelonenbaum
@Wassermelonenbaum 25 дней назад
@@AckzaTV Orca is based on Bambu Studio which is based on prusaSlicer and slic3r. The people working on Orca seem to be quite fast at implementing new features and picking the best from other slicers.
@goswinvonbrederlow6602
@goswinvonbrederlow6602 26 дней назад
There is also non planar printing. The top of the curve can be printed as a curved surface giving the same quality as printing it in its side.
@AustinDungan
@AustinDungan 20 дней назад
Just waiting for the slicing software to make this easy!
@Darenz-cg9zg
@Darenz-cg9zg 19 дней назад
@@AustinDungan not just software, also hardware. Ideally, the nozzle can rotate around to do perfect non-planar moves.
@tongpoo8985
@tongpoo8985 17 дней назад
Sounds extremely expensive for not a lot of benefit
@oliverlacika4994
@oliverlacika4994 12 дней назад
​@@tongpoo8985 you dont need to pay anything if you have a 3d printer
@2010ngojo
@2010ngojo 12 дней назад
​@@Darenz-cg9zgnot just the the nozzle. Part should be able to move too.
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 25 дней назад
Another option that avoids most of the ugliness, which is the inconsistency of having exposed diagonal fill, is to increase the number of outlines around solid fill so that the exposed part just looks like more perimeters.
@riba2233
@riba2233 24 дня назад
Or use concentric top layers :)
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 24 дня назад
@@riba2233 That's an option too but I find it's ugly on actually flat tops, accentuates accidental geometry.
@riba2233
@riba2233 24 дня назад
@@daliasprints9798 ah ok, makes sense :)
@willynilly18films
@willynilly18films 18 дней назад
Sandpaper: Am I joke to you?
@YAWN....
@YAWN.... 11 дней назад
@@willynilly18films zzz
@brandonfarmer4323
@brandonfarmer4323 26 дней назад
Printing it on its side is a great solution for this issue, but also has the side effect of showing the seam for fully cylindrical parts. I’m looking forward to the new developments that further help to eliminate seam issues for cylindrical parts
@riba2233
@riba2233 24 дня назад
Scarf seam solves that
@fbombtehgr3at
@fbombtehgr3at 23 дня назад
Also random seam positioning and fuzzy skin give a more uniform appearance.
@carlosrobles9148
@carlosrobles9148 9 дней назад
@@fbombtehgr3at I haven't tried the fuzzy skin option yet, looking forward to it and thanks for reminding me!
@szymon0900
@szymon0900 6 дней назад
@@brandonfarmer4323 well, we are already there, seams are not really an issue since many years now (with correct settings). :)
@TheFrantic5
@TheFrantic5 20 дней назад
Reminds me of the "vector vs raster scan" arcade monitor wars of the 80's.
@pythondrink
@pythondrink 2 дня назад
I'm not sure wym but you reminded me of the raster v. vector dilemma in web design
@TheFrantic5
@TheFrantic5 2 дня назад
@@pythondrink You aren't far off, actually. Back in the day, virtually all monitors and TVs worked by shooting a beam of electrons line by line down the screen, producing a colorful image, but limited by big blocky images and low resolution. Someone had an idea to just use the electron beam to draw the graphics themselves on the monitor, giving you an image with smooth lines on every side, but was limited by draw time, with virtually every game limited to only drawing the outlines of graphics and characters. The most famous games that used the technique are Astroids and Tempest. Sadly the trend didn't last long as resolutions for games scaled up quickly, but some games still emulate the style for nostalgia, Vid-ribbon coming to mind.
@Someone-dv7hw
@Someone-dv7hw 18 дней назад
Ty for actually pointing out that you don't have to force the device to do what it isn't good at
@pacotaco1246
@pacotaco1246 18 дней назад
Integral Calculus IRL
@ReclaimerStudios
@ReclaimerStudios 26 дней назад
Something to invent: GCODE controlled heat plate to smooth out those edges
@linkeroniw
@linkeroniw 26 дней назад
non-planar 3d printing is something people are working on to accomplish that, though there are still problems with it, particularly with clearances of the nozzle and the speed of the z-axis
@AckzaTV
@AckzaTV 25 дней назад
They already have that it's a plugin called "electric blanket" it's on github, but only works in an old version of cura. I made that all up
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 24 дня назад
​@@linkeroniwThat's why you want a hexa (6 axis variant delta with each arm independent).
@keenheat3335
@keenheat3335 21 день назад
probably easier and more precise just use a regular mill attachment to smooth out the surface. With heat plate you got lot less precise heat projection, and might lead to key dimension sway. But g code wise, it's the same
@gtjack9
@gtjack9 20 дней назад
@@keenheat3335That only allows for exterior surfaces to be corrected, the main benefits of additive manufacturing are that you can control the parameters of every surface of the part.
@VeraTepes
@VeraTepes 18 дней назад
Or just sand it to smoothness. Catefully, of course. Don't want to damage your beautiful creations.
@shadydaemon4178
@shadydaemon4178 18 дней назад
At my old school, in a computer lab, there was a 3D printer and I was intrigued. They were trying to 3D print a perched Eagle with its wings spread out, but they’ve been only making spaghetti results for some reason, I figured that something was wrong but through years of occasional seeing 3D print videos, I realized that they could’ve built it in separate pieces if it was that tedious.
@catrinabrundage6052
@catrinabrundage6052 13 дней назад
Watching this without even having a 3D printer
@gamerparadise6704
@gamerparadise6704 23 дня назад
you could also use variable layer height
@Muslim16572
@Muslim16572 17 дней назад
My go to solution: sand paper.
@User_idgftypyc3225
@User_idgftypyc3225 11 дней назад
Can't believe Pat Cummins is 3D printing 😂😂
@TheQwuilleran
@TheQwuilleran 17 дней назад
Flatland: a circle has angled edges that are too small to perceive
@deisisase
@deisisase 15 дней назад
I recognized 'print it on its side' right away.
@ksquallfangirl
@ksquallfangirl 15 дней назад
Came here to say this!!! 😂
@thenamestails7152
@thenamestails7152 16 дней назад
Me trying to print a sphere: 👍
@Broeckchen
@Broeckchen 16 дней назад
*cackles in resin printing*
@saphirestorm7952
@saphirestorm7952 12 дней назад
This actually seems really helpful as someone who wants to make figures of my favorite video game characters when I get a 3D printer (Seriously I can't believe that Reject won't give us Dialovers figures, they're really going to force me to make a figure of Kino instead of letting me give them my money)
@drubradley8821
@drubradley8821 18 дней назад
I think that math is called "Inverse square law"... The curvature by radius by rise or drop by distance by distance.. it is complicated math, at first, but once it clicks in the mind, is is actually then really simple to dictate and predict in designing a part or drawing .
@Yves_Breeze
@Yves_Breeze 11 дней назад
No. Just no.
@alifarzaneh2726
@alifarzaneh2726 26 дней назад
Great videos man. Appreciate it Helped me a lot Keep it up
@Al-aabir
@Al-aabir 16 часов назад
The teleportation intro is new to me.
@eldermillennial8330
@eldermillennial8330 17 дней назад
Stairway to waterbear heaven.
@pincone7889
@pincone7889 12 дней назад
I love layer lines the feel nice to touch when my mom prints things nice texture
@Aplejam-808
@Aplejam-808 8 дней назад
This music is makin my sleeper agent wake up
@priyabrata6152
@priyabrata6152 10 дней назад
I cannot tell you how useful this could be in a classroom to teach Calculus.
@beanallene
@beanallene 15 дней назад
That's a pretty ingenious solution. My thoughts were to sand it smooth, but that's pretty awesome.
@Lovin_NY93
@Lovin_NY93 11 дней назад
Your printer is tuned well. I need to learn how to print that good of quality
@reggie8370
@reggie8370 День назад
Besterer solution is to make it 1/8th thicker and have a master craftsman shave the 1/8th down so it's perfectly smooth. Trust me, someone out there is really that skilled
@lvjypanic
@lvjypanic 10 дней назад
the Fusin clip at the end gave me nightmares lmao
@Shteuf
@Shteuf 12 дней назад
Thanks I really needed someone to explain this to me.
@Thearnyy
@Thearnyy 15 дней назад
I havent heard this song in YEARS omg this took me back
@diptovai0
@diptovai0 7 дней назад
as a not owner of 3d printer, i found this useful
@Ruby3P
@Ruby3P 10 дней назад
Dude, my dad is a 3D print guy, and he is insane about it.
@rudyrocks0187
@rudyrocks0187 13 дней назад
Actually did an analysis of this 3DP artifact effects on early drag crisis onset for bluff cylinders in college. Depending on operating speeds, layer height and angle at which the cylinder is printed could be optimized to decrease overall air resistance.
@alexanderleoccruz1840
@alexanderleoccruz1840 10 дней назад
The thumbnail looks like a premium slice of raw salmon
@s13rr4buf3
@s13rr4buf3 18 дней назад
I can't believe he made this video about this issue and didn't even mention adaptive layers.
@Cebbat_Games
@Cebbat_Games 12 дней назад
I just used sandpaper. I forgot the grain, but I make a VR gunstock to aim, and the grips where rough and rigid so I just sandpapered them and now I can hold them alright
@noeditbookreviews
@noeditbookreviews 14 дней назад
When I was a kid playing Nintendo and super Nintendo, I always wondered how it would look if the pixels were arranged diagonally, rather than straight horizontal and vertical.
@liptontea8578
@liptontea8578 12 дней назад
If u print with Bambulab P1S, u can reduce the layer hight to a minimum of 0,08mm if u want smth in a really good shape.
@Jaegerssen
@Jaegerssen 11 дней назад
I thought this was tuna in the thumbnail
@ScrotN
@ScrotN 10 дней назад
I was originally thinking about making the parts a little bit thicker then we sand it down but I never actually thought about printing it on it’s side. I’ll try it out(once I get a 3D printer)
@Daves-not-here
@Daves-not-here 14 дней назад
Something that I heard helping with masking layer lines is to reheat the plastic after printing with a heat gun to partially melt the plastic and then smooth the lines over. Doing this can also increase the durability of the structure as well making it less likely to separate.
@PalpatinesPlumber
@PalpatinesPlumber 8 дней назад
People before sandpaper was invented:
@obsidian9998
@obsidian9998 21 день назад
What about rotating the printing plate, so it never creates a shallow print surface? Is there an continuous hot plate attachment for dynamic printing surface?
@MmntoMorrisson
@MmntoMorrisson 14 дней назад
OMG GENIUS THANK YOU ❤
@Kayokoka
@Kayokoka 10 дней назад
that beginning reminds me of library of ruina's snap (angela teleporting)
@ktburger659
@ktburger659 9 дней назад
Josh just lying on the ground at the end
@HLM.12
@HLM.12 9 дней назад
Definitely subscribing! Im taking engineering electives in highschool and we use Fusion 360 and this channel seems good!!
@slant3d
@slant3d 9 дней назад
Welcome. Thank you
@TheLonelyGamer_17
@TheLonelyGamer_17 12 дней назад
Bro just spawned in 💀
@JakeyBro69
@JakeyBro69 20 дней назад
You could also just sand the curved surface with sandpaper too
@11111653
@11111653 11 дней назад
bro comes out of nowhere
@paulmanoha
@paulmanoha 10 дней назад
That's due to interpolation in cartesian system, you could try cylindrical coordinate system to get a more aesthetic finish.
@HorseLoveUnites
@HorseLoveUnites 26 дней назад
For larger scale commercial smoothing of layer lines, you can use vacuum chambers or otherwise sealed chambers where a chemical solvent is introduced as an aerosol or gas to gently dissolve (smooth) the outer layer(s). Can be done in small home applications or larger commercial runs but there are always multiple solutions to a problem, just depends on how you or your business is already structured or equipped.
@linkeroniw
@linkeroniw 26 дней назад
But that doesn't work on every type of filament, the only ones I have heard of that do it well are abs and polysmooth pla
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 24 дня назад
​@@linkeroniwPolysmooth is NOT PLA, it's PVB. You can also get it (much cheaper) from various Chinese filament companies like YOUSU.
@linkeroniw
@linkeroniw 24 дня назад
@@daliasprints9798 my bad, but it has been a while since I heard anything on it and the name is pretty close to pla
@TylerRaber
@TylerRaber 11 дней назад
Adaptive layer height helps too
@goopersoop2003
@goopersoop2003 10 дней назад
sandpaper: why hello there
@mitchellreece3711
@mitchellreece3711 10 дней назад
Adaptive layer heights is certainly worth mentioning here
@GigaDavy91
@GigaDavy91 13 дней назад
There is also the option of dynamic layer thickness, so you get the best of both worlds
@johnballard3403
@johnballard3403 18 дней назад
I've seen people even out layers with sandpaper too.
@iSaac-kp5lk
@iSaac-kp5lk 15 дней назад
A great way to visualize calculus
@IWontBuy-RP
@IWontBuy-RP 12 дней назад
You can put weathered copper above and under copper and itll go faster, you can fill a whole chunk and even automate it. Xisuma showed a farm in his latest upload :)
@user-ve5fe9zv6w
@user-ve5fe9zv6w 13 дней назад
you could use a heat gun to slightly melt the layer lines too
@Dolimoe-vh9kq
@Dolimoe-vh9kq 25 дней назад
How to print a smooth dome upwards: just dont! Wow thanks thats great. You could have at least suggested adaptive layer height. Its great to workaround but you didnt answer your own question
@RelaxCreatorMary
@RelaxCreatorMary 17 дней назад
Best solution is to light it afterwards to melt the outer layer smooth
@stibiumowl
@stibiumowl 11 дней назад
There is a way of putty-modelling that works very similar like 3D printing, but by hand and manual labor. Much more work, but no problems with layer lines.
@fengmainbigbrain2291
@fengmainbigbrain2291 10 дней назад
that's like tryna make a circle in minecraft
@requiem6465
@requiem6465 17 дней назад
Reminds me of calculus.
@La_sagne
@La_sagne 6 дней назад
sanding.. just a little. works great
@ryanlopez3945
@ryanlopez3945 15 дней назад
Bro just summed up Riemman sums
@kakier4418
@kakier4418 12 дней назад
Trying to make a circular build in Minecraft be like:
@thecoolestdaniel4554
@thecoolestdaniel4554 14 дней назад
"curves make my 3d printer act up"
@manilatoaster6731
@manilatoaster6731 17 дней назад
I’ve got a smooth dome.
@msjkramey
@msjkramey 12 дней назад
Some sneaky calculus got into this 3d printing lesson
@jacobmendoza985
@jacobmendoza985 12 дней назад
They invented this magical new tool called sandpaper.
@the_navyguy
@the_navyguy 12 дней назад
Is this how soda bottle caps are made
@KobiHameed
@KobiHameed 2 дня назад
**laughs in sandpaper**
@bFOURdwZEROlf
@bFOURdwZEROlf 14 дней назад
Also finishing the surface helps! plan it slightly bigger than you need it then take away for a smooth finish if you have 100% infill on the outside surfaces
@codewithzi-5817
@codewithzi-5817 11 дней назад
Why does it look satisfyingly scratchable 😩
@abbasturd
@abbasturd 10 дней назад
I was not expecting the video to be about 3D printing. The thumbnail looked like sushi 🍣 😂😂😂
@ReggieTheCaracal
@ReggieTheCaracal 12 дней назад
Remember. Circle is made out of infinite amount of points stacked together. Its pretty much perfectly visible here. Those spaces can be bigger or smaller
@Braindoner101
@Braindoner101 10 дней назад
My immediate thought: sand that sucker with sand paper or a sanding belt.
@LeoClark-us5rz
@LeoClark-us5rz 2 дня назад
Bro appeared
@nicktech540
@nicktech540 12 дней назад
Printer: My π aint πing
@paintrane1179
@paintrane1179 8 дней назад
Resin printing has entered the chat
@daliasprints9798
@daliasprints9798 25 дней назад
I love the poor layer stacking right as you say "more consistent surface finish". 😂 If your printers have Z wobble or extruder hob eccentricity like that, you need to print diagonal to hide it.
@Bogart745
@Bogart745 11 дней назад
Good old derivation. It’s looks exactly like the models used to teach the concept of a derivative in calc I classes
@TokkelProductions
@TokkelProductions 10 дней назад
Print it at 45 degree angle with the with the sharp edge above
@baloonga6524
@baloonga6524 11 дней назад
bro spawned in
@HChalloweenCat
@HChalloweenCat 6 дней назад
So that's why bottle caps look cursed
@_rabbit_hole4911
@_rabbit_hole4911 5 дней назад
I saw some people use heat to melt the plastic a bit so it smooths out, dunno if that's something that works better or looks better than sanding but food for thought ig
@muhammedgokcan22
@muhammedgokcan22 9 дней назад
It’s the same with most CNC parts. The coding isn’t for creating a radius, it’s for creating microns of edges that form a curve.
@3ckstermus
@3ckstermus 17 дней назад
on Flash Forge 3d printer theres a "ironing" setting to make the suface smooth.
@lygoozman125
@lygoozman125 15 дней назад
Did anyone else get thrown off by that intro, dude just popped into existence so fast and randomly that was funny
@soumyadipbiswas6835
@soumyadipbiswas6835 10 дней назад
One day we're gonna look at this and feel how backwards we were
@oliverlacika4994
@oliverlacika4994 12 дней назад
Some slicers have an option for non planar 3d printing, which can be used in this scenario
@pasanaator9874
@pasanaator9874 6 дней назад
Just increase the resolution to 1/infinity mm to get a perfectly smooth circle
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