That Bellingham goal will be replayed along side Gazza's goal at Euro 96, Linker crying at Italia 90 and the 1966 pitch invasion, and rightly so. Kid is a legend in the making.
There's a case of "loud minority" going on here. The idiots will come up with criticisms for Bellingham for attention/ragebait, but the vast majority of england fans do venerate him.
The majority are calling out the England team or coach. And then add on top of that, Kane and Bellingham calling out the fans, or as they say it "the haters" when in reality the fans have a reason to be pissed. The England team needed 93 minutes to get ONE SHOT ON TARGET against slovakia, then barely made it out of the group stages because 3 bumbling teams decided to be shit (including England). And now we are here, where there probably gonna bumble and stumble there way too the finals, before they get there egos taking by Spain or germany
Exactly this! People whose lives mean nothing will always look to farm quick ragebait engagement, why give them oxygen by highlighting their stupidity?
@@ronel7836worked for Portugal In 2016. Didn’t win a game of football in 90 mins until they beat Wales in the semis then had to beat France in extra time with a striker from Swansea. I fear if England win the Euros the England fans are just going to say “this is the worst euros of all time, we shouldn’t be celebrating this, Southgate is a clown”.
@@ronel7836 the thing is, Coaches that are pally pally with players don't get criticised by their players even when they're playing dogshit tactics (Berhalter, Southgate) and even if they weren't, you don't expect the players to criticize them. What's happening is that both the players and sports commentaries are amplifying the basement dwellers voices who criticise the team aimlessly and responding to them thus amplifying them in the process instead of focusing on valuable criticism
@@dannyhawkings8469 as an English person, if Southgate actually brings it home, we won't still be hating him. Everytime I hear his name mentioned, it's "we need to sack Southgate", followed by "if he doesn't win the Euros". We're a fickle bunch.
Something you must understand about England, and British Culture in general - is there is very much a "don't grow your hedge too high, or your neighbour will cut it for you" embedded into the core fabric of it's working class roots. You said "it's almost like England fans want their team to lose" and that has been studied for years by all sections of the English Pundit circuit since there is some truth to it - since a team that win's denies you the chance to engage in the national pastime: complaining.
@@ferrousallotrope It's basically saying don't be too prideful or someone will come along to bring you down a peg. It's like buying a shiny new sports car and someone says "compensating for something?"
Hah, and I always thought this was a stereotypical and pretty exclusive German trait! Guess jealousy and resentment of other's successes are a truly unifying characteristic among many European nations after all.
Not an England fan but seeing Bellingham save his team from bowing out against Slovakia with a bicycle kick was clutch as Fuckin' hell. Dude had every right to celebrate doing what he did.
Yeah the reaction from the English is fuckin insane to me. I remember Rojo's goal against Nigeria in the 2018 World Cup. We hated the coach, we hated the way we played, we hated that world cup. But the amount of excitement and love for the flag that Messi cross into a past his prime average defender's weak foot into first time volley goal that sent us to the Ro16 is unparalleled. If anything, it shows arrogance from the fans more than the players, these reactions.
@@gastonzumbo9860you can’t make sweeping generalisations of England fans based on a few people on twitter. Everyone celebrated Bellingham’s goal like crazy across the country, and for many of us it was one of the best moments we’ve ever seen from an England team. The only thing people don’t like is the manager’s and players’ approach to criticism, they’re playing some of the worst football we’ve ever seen and are lucky to still be in the competition, but they act like they’re playing well and any criticism of England’s tactics and setup are personal attacks on them.
@@import_xlsxwriter I'm not making a sweeping generalization? The point is that it's incredible to me that so many people's reaction is to be a prick to the guy instead of being happy you get to watch your team one more time. You understand exactly what I meant, I'm not saying all English people are bad or whatever, but obviously a very big percentage of online fans act this way, you can't deny that. Which is difficult for me to get.
I don't remember his celebration after the goal exactly but I'd assume the problem is celebrating in against the fans rather than with them. Even Ronaldo made an apologetic gesture towards the fans after scoring in the shootout because he knows the fans are on his side whether he gets criticized or not. I'm no England fan but my perception is the majority's anger is directed to the mentality of the squad and Southgate.
No one in England thinks for a second Bellingham is overrated (ok maybe some) nor thinking that goal was nothing short of spectacular. What most English fans think that we were 30 seconds away from being knocked out against a third placed side. Followed by having the audacity of shooting the fans for being critical about an extremely sub-par performance. I find it odd that yesterday you released a video saying the opposite about the US. Complaining about teams you should have beaten X, Y and Z with the resources you have and calling for Berthauler's job. The people crying about a celebration are such a small minority that it's laughable the storm in a teacup that caused. All in all Z, calm yo farm fam.
Taking a huge dump on the newest, shiniest star of the national team is just what happens in England, the whole "build them up then destroy them" thing the press loves to do to. Every since he started to get Ballon d'Or calls I've been waiting for the moment he starts getting abused for no reason whatsoever. Least surprising thing in the universe and I've seen it so often since the mid 90s or so (when I started having access to UK media) it's just background noise at this point.
It’s a minority of people anyway. I was England to lose tbh (even though I’m as patriotic as it gets and love my country) just to get Southgate sacked because I despise his football, but I nearly cried when Jude scored. We’re not all like those couple of Twitter cretins.
He doesn't deserve Ballon D'Or shouts. He's a talented young player who has scored a lot of goals but is miles away from being the best player in the world. He's not even a top3 midfielder at his own club.
The fact that this dude decided to play for Real Madrid and not for a Premier League team and has absolutely destroyed in his first seasons with them, has produced some serious brain rot within a good amount of english fans.
I think it's the contrast between seeing him in those Real Madrid games and in the England shirt that's causing a lot of the criticism. I don't think it's his fault, I blame Southgate more. The whole team played like shit against Slovenia, they were lucky to get away with it in the end. Not selecting a second left back, not subbing players or changing tactics when things aren't going well, immediately switching to defending as soon as you have a lead. He's a coach that likes to play extremely safely with a team whose (relative) weakness mainly lies in it's defense (who are all still Premier League players).
Not saying any of the hate that Bellingham gets is warranted, but in the last couple of months of his Dortmund career, a portion of the fans started to turn on Bellingham. Describing him as arrogant and a person who would consistently put himself before the team. Another one of the complaints against Bellingham at that time was that his roaming playmaking style, clogs up midfield and makes it very difficult to play around him as a teammate. These issues have been present between Foden and Bellingham at the EUROs, although I imagine Southgate has also given them both instructions relating to solving the issues not having a proper LB brings about, so it might just be an unavoidable issue for him at this tournament. The hate that Bellingham got for scoring the winner is just straight up crazy though.
@@alexmiddleton2276 well technically he didn't score the winner, he scored the equalizer to get them to extra time against the national team from the smallest country left at that point. And he celebrated like he won the Champions league... Don't get me wrong, I don't mind players celebrating but at times like that I like it more when a player keeps it modest, grabs the ball and quickly wants to restart the game to try and score a second one. Not saying that would've been possible but Slovenia was very much on the ropes after the goal went in, that's why it was so easy for England to score another. Besides all that I agree with your point about Bellingham and Foden clashing and that causing issues in the midfield. You can really tell that they're struggling to progress the ball that way. The reason why things got better once Toney got on was because Kane got someone running behind the lines to search for and there now was another way of playing (pumping the ball to 3 strikers). Come to think of it, why doesn't Southgate try some sort of funky tactic where you have Toney on the left whose basically a second striker? Can't be worse than Foden...
@@coyootje Each to their own but I think it's things like that which have ruined modern football, I want characters, I want drama, I want rivalries, I want shithousery, I want fights. I want those players to go out there and treat the other team like they're stealing food from their families, modestly taking the ball after a cathartic goal like that and just jogging up back to restart is just robotic and soulless imo, shows no character at all
the man in the arena quote is silly too, it’s a deflection, you don’t have to be a chef to know when a meal is bad and you don’t have to be a footballer to know something is wrong here, which you’ve done consistently with the US team, it’s a great quote but it isn’t applicable in most cases, Rick Rubin can’t play any musical instrument or work any equipment competently and is one of the best music producers ever, Arrigo Sacchi never played football above youth level and is one of the best coaches ever, these aren’t a fair comparison to some drunkard in a bar but to say that the observers have no right to criticise is fundamentally flawed in my opinion
That goal in 90min+5 was their first shot on target in the game. It's the 4th game that they've played terribly in. They have deserved the criticism they've been getting but Bellingham & Kane have been trying to throw it back at the fans and the pundits when the performance doesn't merit it. It was a wonder goal and he deserved to celebrate it but doing the yapping hand sign like the team don't deserve the criticism they've been getting is ridiculous.
It’s because our cultures are different. US culture is largely built around consumerism and consumption. Everything in the US is big. The country, the houses, the pageantry, the portion sizes, and the egos. In the UK it’s less so, and more about collective spirit and (somewhat) more humble and ascetic lives. What you call Tall poppy syndrome is really just us reminding each other to stay humble. Humility is essential in developing trust and respect, which are the foundations of English culture. It’s hard to trust and respect somebody who’s acting like they’re above you. When we see these working class lads make a few quid kicking a ball around then walk around like their shit doesn’t stink, we teach them some humility and remind them that they’re one of us.
As an American idk what you're talking about, I haven't heard it called that but the sentiment is certainly very present in American culture. Maybe not so much in sports but it's super common to hate on financially successful people and especially in video game culture it's very popular to criticize people for being good/better than yourself at video games.
I feel like this England team just have an unbelievable level of disonnect and downright delusion when facing the England fans and media. People flying to Germany and spending a fortune to watch the total dogshit that England have put out, I feel like fans have a right to boo. Obviously abuse is unacceptable, but all the players, not just Jude, seem upset that fans and pundits aren't praising them when they haven't done anything remotely praise worthy. You have seen Kane and Foden and Walker complaining every interview that the media didn't call them gods because they won the group.
@@j.s3300 yeah, humility. We hate people who think they’re above others, it’s why we’ve spent the last thousand years putting the French on their arse.
We have a toxic culture here in England of treating any externally-based country or entity, that is in any way unknown, as inferior. Case in point: the Slovakian team, despite them getting to the knockout stages, with their players being largely unfamiliar to many due to not watching anything beyond the English top four leagues. Hell, many only watch the Premier League. It's woefully ignorant
One key factor no-one has mentioned is this: Whatever criticism the fans say about the players is because we care. We want the team to succeed. Bellingham using the "hate" to motivate himself is fine but never forget that we are on the same side.
It's a very 'British journalist' thing to do ... build someone up and revere them in order to strike them down as harshly as possible (the reason I changed career path is because I recognised this among the top journalists). I hate it and I wish we celebrated this outrageous talent!
It's a cultural difference. You are looking at it from an American point of view and that kind of hyper confidence plays over there. In Britain though it is seen as arrogance. We value modesty in our athletes and it is for others to recognise greatness. Boasting about how great you are is really frowned upon. To be clear in this case I have no problem with him but that is where it comes from.
Even modest players get hate in England. Look at Saka, a kid who barely says a word, and if he does, it's media trained answers. So there's no deserved hate, but he still gets it. The England media have bled into English people's way of thinking about their own players. It's entitlement and poor sportsmanship.
Typical English attitude of looking down on Americans as if we're somehow better. shrug as said above, entitlement - mask it as culture or whatever you want
England simply has a shit fan culture. Even players that barely say anything at all get hate. Extremely odd that the hate is almost never directed towards Foden.
LIES you all love Ibrahimovic, Keane and Balloteli (while in City) You all hate him because Jude clearly is doing well and has self confidence alot of people lack 😂 Simple
@@Randomaccount9470 I dont think people hate Jude and that from the video is just a minority. People are hating the way all players are playing as a team and hating on the coach who is n1 responsible for that
When Bellingham scored his first goal for England, I saw someone in the comments calling him a primadona. England fans are just strange creatures. They'll find a way to make a big deal out of the smallest things.
@@lost1head of course it's relevant to the subject. Bellingham was on the field during that 90 minute too. The goal was world class, but the team as a whole is criminally underperforming the tournament so far, you'd expect he would at least acknowledge that when he's making a statement representing the whole squad, not act like he just won the world cup single handedly.
@@plcdfaExcept he's not acting like that all. And the team has already spoken about their issues. I love to see England fail but this is just cringe at this point
This is a bs controversy, but to be honest, that goal isn't going to shut anyone up. One moment of brilliance isn't enough to make up for the stinker that has been England's run thus far.
My issue with Bellingham isn't all the celebrating with arrogance or the diving. It's the disdain he and a lot of the England squad have showed towards the fans, who are rightly critical of the teams performances.
I’m in 2 minds on this one. On one hand the media & part of fan culture in this country builds players up to destroy them the minute things go bad. That doesn’t happen to the same degree in other countries. But this squad has woefully underperformed so far & we want the same goal as the players. There has to be some level of accountability.
@@kxyoto8541 I agree. The issue is in previous tournaments it felt like we were past that mentality under Southgate but now he and a lot of the players seemed to have adopted a siege mentality and a hatred of the fans from seemingly no where.
Exactly, anytime England a game now, there all gonna be like " where the haters at now" when in reality those fans have a right too be dissapointed. These mfkers almost lost too SLOVAKIA, HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU ALMOST MANAGE THAT.
... Bro I'm American, but have you not been seeing how Southgate and the team get covered? Every couple months people are calling for his job. I think more people in England want Southgate out than Americans that follow the sport want Berhalter out. When people are constantly calling for your job and by extension saying the players are playing poorly or being arrogant, no crap they develop a seige mentality. Professional athletes play with swagger, they should. Frankly the English fans seem like a bunch of whiny pricks that want to criticize players and not get called out for it. I just don't get that mentality. If you talk shit to professional athletes, they're going to take it personal. And if they choose to shove it back in your face that's on you. The entitled ones are the fans that think they can sit there online and talk shit about them and the athletes should just be good little boys and sit there and take it.
You can celebrate and show you care without being a dick, the fans have been asking the team to show up for months and they haven’t, if you take what’s said without the context sure it’s all fine but a under performing team wanting more from fans who have travelled to a different country but the players and manager aren’t prepared to give more themselves is entitlement
I think I might understand the root of these complaints. I think it's two-fold: 1) Brits like to celebrate relatively modest people. We hold modesty in high regard and showiness and arrogance, not so much. So there may be a general distain toward Jude for his rightful ego because some find it unattractive in a character they look up to. 2) This wonder-goal by Jude is what has grabbed the headlines and has scapegoated another lacklustre England performance, Jude included. The goal is a great moment, and it got England out of a hole. But a lot of people are keen to remind people that the hole was there because we dug it ourselves, and nobody will talk about that now. Bellingham is a media magnet. Had the goal been scored by someone less media-adored and hyped and self-assured, and had it been less fantastic then I imagine the complaining wouldn't be as widespread as there wouldn't have been as much distraction from the terrible performance for the preceding 94 mins (and the 28 mins of ET after 2-1).
English people don't like it if you're not 'stiff upper lip' personified, and im guilty of it too, but last minute bicycle kick goal in a knockout game should probably be an exception
A tangent to the video, I find it refreshing to hear Zea actually swear (rather than being bleeped). Regarding England and Jude. Ever since the end of the Terry Venables/Glenn Hoddle eras (regardless of what you think/thought of the men), England's men's NT have struggled with the concept of Best Players vs Best Team. You saw this with Sven effectively forcing Scholes to retire by always shunting him out on the left wing because the other three players HAD to be Beckham-Gerrard-Lampard, regardless of how well the trio actually performed together. And of course all four players got lambasted at one point because they weren't doing the magic they did for their clubs, ignoring the fact the team structure was set up to screw three out of the four. Here's the big problem. Whether it's right or wrong, England's fans were forced to realise the importance of tactical frameworks and using the right players in the right systems. There's an old football comic strip called "Roy of the Rovers" and it's legacy continues on with the concept of a team's single star pulling the team over the line, doing the impossible time and time again. Fans have always loved and respected players who did that. Gerrard for Liverpool (CL final), Roy Keane for United (Juventus CL Semi final), Beckham's FK vs Greece, and Bellingham's goal...BUT the fans are fed up with having to rely on these moments. Fans have got to the point where they don't want to have to rely on these moments to win or draw. Jude's goal was a great thing to celebrate, but in the back of fans' minds, they knew it meant something bad. They knew it would be used by Southgate to continue doing the same terrible thing that meant England needed Jude to perform that feat of magic in the first place. Fans want Jude to have the freedom to do those pieces of magic whenever he wants for as long as he wants, but they're sick and tired of having to rely on people like him because the team is playing so terrible. Sir Alex's United was famous for last gasp winners and equalisers. But the point wasn't that they played for those, it was that they tried to win (nearly) every match and continued fighting for that win right until the end. 2 shots on target and the first non injury substitution by Soutgate was in the 84' minute. The second was in the 94. No matter how great it felt to have Jude score and England stay in the game, THOSE stats were in the back of fans' minds. And no manager should look at Jude's magic, look at how late those subs were, look at the fact the only shots on target were the goals, and think "see, everything worked out for the best. No need to worry."
It's not about him celebrating. It's about him stinking out the tournament, along with the rest if the team and acting like he's just dropped a GOAT performance when the reality is that goal saved them from, at least on paper, the worst tournament result in the last 30 years for the country. To go 92 mins without a shot on target against the 45th ranked nation in the world and then criticise people for saying they've not played well and the result was a bit lucky is a bit much to take. On his character too, there was that incident in the Slovenia game where he was giving it large to the Slovenia player that wasn't doing anything when he's probably on 20x more money just seems incredibly arrogant and fragile
The entirety of the England squad has done nothing but be poor with *tiny* glimpses of luck and hope. We criticise them, and the vast majority of England players and Southgate have come out to complain at the criticism poured towards them. Harry Kane, Gareth Southgate and (much less so, but also) Jude Bellingham have been the worst offenders. If England win this tournament, I will be delighted. However, I think the first think these players will do is almost celebrate AT us rather than with us. They are poor. We criticise them. They cry NOW, I cheered like a loon when Jude scored. But the day after, we have to assess 93 minutes of the game, and not focus on the one moment that should’ve made it 4-1, not 1-1.
Totally understand why Bellingham celebrated like that especially with the way English media are. As a slovak though, DAMN did it ever make the most depressing day I've had in ages that much worse. After watching him throw elbows to the head any time he challenged for an aerial ball while on a yellow card and not receive even common fouls, it really sucked seeing him get to be the hero at the end. Usually I just dislike England's NT due to the way english media and fans act (and Southgate playing like that with the team he has) and have nothing against the players individually. His goal was more depressing because of the reaction I knew would follow from England, would love to see a single England fan just say it as it is: they got lucky, they have Jude's moment of brilliance to thank for it, and they were wrong to assume that it would be an easy win against Slovakia
Very American view, everything ok as long as it's successful. Making fun of your opponent and rubbing it in his face is not very sportsmanlike, and UEFA has rules against that. Yeah, the pressure... I'm almost crying. The poor b... he gets a shitload of money for that. Part of that money is for being a role model for kids. What have those kids learned there?
@@jacksonconstantine5740 I'm not from the UK. I have no problem with ego/arrogance. I loved Zlatan, Messi and CR7. My problem is that Jude talks the talk but when it comes to consequences he always behave like he did nothing. Did that with Kostic and now with the goal celebrations in front of the bench
Exactly, they tear at every other player and glaze Bellingham, abuse of all other players is normalised but you can’t dare slightly criticise Bellingham.
@@tinypardus yopu both must have been watching uk media from an alternative dimension because i have seen literally every pundit demand he get played out of position to accommodate foden
@@lordpelagius5078 they might’ve changed their mind after the Slovakia game like they do every 5 seconds, I’m not in the UK right now but when I was a week ago they were glazing Bellingham a lot. Also the media also constantly talk about moving Saka out of position to left back and he does play on the premier league. But no, Bellingham is the only one they don’t like.
Completely different scenario. Beckham got given a bullshit red card, then got fucking death threats after a tournament which England had a genuine chance of winning. Compare that to the most talented English team in a generation putting in four extremely subpar performances, with a useless dross of a manager who is afraid to rotate players, and the worst these lads have gotten is some slightly unpleasant chat on Twitter and a couple of tabloid rags. Beckham had a effigy of him burned in the street ffs over something that wasn’t even his fault.
I don't really care about it either way, but I think a lot of the criticism comes from the perceived disconnect of him saying "who else" like he hasn't been really bad so far this tournament. Also, if you swap the order of the goals I don't think this even comes up as a point of discussion. "Who else" can score an equaliser isn't quite as impressive as scoring a winner.
OK, so first disclosure - I'm english and I support the national team. So I can't claim to be strictly neutral in this, however I don't feel like I have a dog in this particular fight. I don't think Bellingham has been the figure we hoped for in this tournament yet, although there is at least one game left to turn it around. Nor do I want to criticise him for his celebrations. However, if other fans do, and want to call him out for whatever perceived trangressions they see, then have at it. Football is just entertainment, and we are all entitled to be critics. Not everyone likes the same movies I like, and some people enjoy some real dogshit films that I can't fathom why. But they are the audience that it was created for, and it's their right to discuss it. Why is football any different? Someone wants to idolise Bellingham, fine. Someone wants to hate him, fine. Yes the players are real people with real feelings. But it should be the duty of the clubs to prepare them to thicken their skin as soon as they pull on a club shirt for any vitriol that comes at them, for it will come. Whoever they are. There is no magic armour stemming from swapping club shirt for national shirt. Any of the team or management is liable to be in the eye of the storm for fan frustration whether it's deserved or not. Yes, it's toxic, and destructive and doesn't help England's cause when fans turn on a player or manager, but it's an inevitable overspill of the passion and nothing new or unique to Bellingham. Show me a country that doesn't engage in this behaviour, and I'll show you a country that's not emotionally invested. Look all across Europe and South America and you will see the same outpourings happen.
Less fans less praise it's not rocket science What aboutism is dumb let me prove it: The Rock and John Cena earn more money, but Batista is a better actor less fans
@@Randomaccount9470 I mean the rock and John Cena are better actors than Batista they’ve been in far more movies and contributed way more into the world of wrestling so idk what u smoking, second of all Bellingham and Arda are Botha at Madrid and both playing at the Euros so what I’m trying to say is Bellingham is simply just a PR merchant because players such as Arda, Masiala and many more who are way better get no praise at all because English media are obsessed and brainwashed for this guy
I have to say, as an Englishmen who LOVES football and I absolutely enjoy his swagger, his ego and his attitude!! He is, in my opinion, our greatest son!! Ignore the haters Jude!
well.... does he mean throwing it back to people saying england are shit? or is he throwing back to nobheads who have started saying bellingham are shit? if he is talking about nobheads who try saying hes shit and overated then im all for it. if he is talking about lads like me that say england are shit because the manager sucks then ye hes a nobhead himself.
For the first time *ever* , I have to disagree with you. I guess you have to be British to relate to it, but quite honestly we are embarrassed at the unappealing football that these players are putting out there. We want the rest of Europe to admire the England team, but they are saying how awful we are and we agree! I watched the match in a London pub with a load of lads and everyone was admiring the plucky gritty underdog that was Slovakia. Their manager had got them to overperform in a beautiful way. Imagine if the England team had someone who knew how to coach them like that. So for 93 minutes there was respectful admiration for the underdogs, and a feeling that we deserved to lose. When the goal went in, yes of course there were wild cheers and lager flying everywhere. But as soon as everyone saw Jude's reaction, the atmosphere in the pub turned sour. Someone shouted "f*** off!". Another shouted "W*nker!", and then others joined in. I thought it was embarrassing. Yes, it's an amazing goal. But he spoilt it. To have no thought or feeling for the Slovakian fans and players, who had exceeded every expectation and overperformed miraculously,, the ultimate underdogs, and to rub their faces in it and grab his crotch in their direction... Huh? Celebrate a good goal, for sure, but there are limits. This was shoving it in the Slovaks' faces and they did not deserve it, everyone could see it. It was very un-British and very brash and insulting. Slovakia were the better team, that was England's first shot on target. Don't celebrate *like that*! Have some respect for your opposition. England should have been doing what Spain has been doing, yet they've played abysmally. They got through thanks to a flukey moment of magic. We don't like show offs over here, and that's a trait I'm quite fond of, if you don't mind me saying. 🙂 But other than that, I agree with pretty much all your other videos.
They have played shit all tournament. Anykne qho sticks their head up will get flack becauae theirs been no real acknowledgement of their problems. Im scottiah and acrually like alot of the players despite my bias but southgate is a scotsmans dream
Bellingham is a gem. Potentially Englands best player ever, and most influencial since Beckham. He doesn't seem to feel pressure and has the kind of attitude a winner has.
The Shankly “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.” - Consider how we discuss politics on the web and then how much more important Football is to the common man (in our minds..)
He's nothing like Zidane. He is a crash the box 8 that turns up when you need him. It is perfectly fine for English fans to question why supposedly World Class players take over 90mins to get ONE shot against a team like Slovakia. Bellingham, himself, played incredibly poor as did Kane. When did it get like this? When Messi fans decided that everything Ronaldo did was selfish and criticized every single thing that he did. Bellingham, a handsome player at one of the two most hated clubs(Real or United) is now getting the same. It wasn't a wonder goal either. English fans are tired of everything turning Hollywood. It was a solid connection off a STOKE like long throw and flick-on. They expect their team to comfortably dispatch a team of Slovakia's quality and they're entirely correct.
It's two things. Firstly England has been poor this tournament and was moments away from losing to a perceived underdog so celebrating the bare minimum expectation left a sour taste to be sure. The second thing is, of course, the crotch grab which was out of line regardless of anything else.
I watched the BBC’s video of the goal from all angles the day after the game, didn’t realise at the time that Bellingham had Kane behind him, the lad turned 21 the day before and decided to whip out a bicey seconds before being knocked out of the euros with Englands top goal scorer behind him, HE IS HIM!
If u watch the games Bellingham has genuinely not been good. He looks very tired most of the time. Not saying he’s not good. He clearly is, he just seems much slower
it's the opposite. We hate him because he stunk it out all game just as he does most games for england and real madrid now, then got all the complements. If he wasn't crap every game, we wouldn't need last minute goals. He has a poor touch, isn't a natural dribbler and is more of just a strong carrier, demands the ball but can't progress it (which is why he stays high and out of build up at madrid), etc etc. He is stinking it out and scoring yet everyone thinks he's good just because the echo chamber of fans that don't actually watch football say he is good. He's not better than Rodrygo or Vini, or Modric, or Camavinga, or Brahim Diaz, or Guler, or Mainoo or Cole Palmer or Foden etc
He was shit for the whole game. I’d like for him to be as good for us as he is for Madrid but he has not been. We wouldn’t need a last second flashy goal if he bothered for the first 95 minutes.
@@tinypardus I don't know why you're expecting him to shoot 12 shots every match for you to not think he's "ghosting" He's a box to box midfielder, he's a last resort to join the attack and surprise the defenders that's why he scores in the last minute and doesn't shoot often, next time you watch try to see where he's standing
Being an Englishman -- i freaking love Jude, he has something freaking special, he wasnt particularly good in that match, but turned up when we needed the most. I hate people ripping on him, the guy is gonna be on another planet in a couple of years.
Bellingham is unbelievably arrogant. Playing for England that is. Extremely likeable player at club level but what a absolute melt. Imagine celebrating like that against Slovakia of all teams
well the man is rewarded with a salary similar to that of a local town council budget (possibly more) so excuse me if I don't cry because Bellingham's feelings get a little bit hurt. Clutch goal tho, great player. But he's still just a guy, not a God.
Haha, Z you should try following an English club on England football twitter one season, any division won't make a difference (prem obviously best example) it's full of kids, incl. adults who are still kids mouthing off about things they know nothing about. When they mouthed off about NFFC buying so many players, they had no idea about our situation, they don't want to or care they just want to stick the boot in. And thats just who and how they are. Jude will know this. It's not as big a deal as you're making it here. Best examples are Liverpool fans & Man Utd fans, but every club has them. Including mine.
If Jude wants to come to Wales or Canada, I am good with either, we will welcome him with open arms. I will never understand the mentality of fans or media. One reason I will never buy an English national top again is because how mental people are about them. They are like watching a car crash.
As an England hate-watcher (because the USMNT wants me to die a sad death) I was watching previews to this Eng v Slov game and the RU-vid channel “The Club” (I know they have minimal ball-knowledge) kept saying or insinuating that Bellingham is an incredibly arrogant person who told Southgate that he has to play as a 10 and won’t play if Southgate drops him deeper. It was baffling to see diehard fans assuming Bellingham is arrogant and not a team player like he’s never shown a non-team player attitude. I believe England fans put anger on Jude because they want their Premier League starboy Foden to play the 10 role but Bellingham is a better player so they shit on him for that reason.
That’s nonsense. Bellingham is the better ten and everyone knows it. The issue isn’t the selection of Bellingham over Foden. It’s the half-assed performances, and the inept manager who refused to pick and play a left-footed left back, plays foden out of position rather than picking an actual left winger, and coached a team that had one shot on target in 90 mins against Slovakia.
This video really just seems like a cultural difference between Americans liking the successful, brash and loud "main character" and the English liking the modest, lovable "loser". Bellingham's a big boy, he'll get over some twitter warriors saying his celebration made him look like a prick. Also anyone claiming people aren't allowed to be disappointed with the team's performances (Bellingham's included) are a bit out of touch because we have been dirt.
@@jacksonconstantine5740 I'd argue that, expecially with sports, the nation does love a "glorious failure". As long as they run around enough and give it their all. I think it's why English comedies so rarely successfully translate to American adaptations, we want different thinks from our protagonists.
@@bobmayson4172 that’s comedy, it’s not the same as sport. we’ll take anything glorious, but if you offer an English sports fan a glorious loss or a glorious victory they’ll take a victory. The greatest English military drama of all time is Shakespeare’s Henry V, which is about a glorious victory in the face of overwhelming odds. Same with #2 (Zulu) and #3 (Great Escape)
@@jacksonconstantine5740 plays about war also aren't the same as sport but, like comedy, it's all part of and inspired by the culture in which it's created. Of course we'd all love the boys to go out there, play great football and win the whole thing but there is also definitely a weird thing of 'don't do to well for yourself' that just feels part of being English. Clearly you don't feel that (which is great!) but for me it's hard to deny that it exists.
@@bobmayson4172 well plenty of anthropologists agree that sport is an allegory for war. Before football was a thing we had pankration and gladiators, after all. I don’t think it’s a case of ‘don’t do to well for yourself’, it’s more a case of ‘be humble when you do well for yourself’.
I've never had to disagree more with Zealand. Bellingham is not being critized for celebrating, but for his general demeanor. Fame, money, success, popularity do not exemt you from being a decent person. And Bellingham is lacking severely in humility and gratefulness. Instead, he celebrates in a Christ-like fashion. I am fed up by the over-accentuation of the individual. Without a team, you are nothing. Without a support cast you are nothing. Without a public that values what you do, you are nothing.
"Who Else" - its personally not how i see football, or any team sport... its not a "yeah its me" thing that gives me goosebumps or makes me fall in love with the game. We love the game because it is 11 v 11. Not because its about you
The problem is not that he is so self-assured but that he literally stunk up the pitch every minute of this European Championship and he's acting like he's the shit without having backed it up. And one fluke wondergoal doesn't change that.
I dont take any opinion shared on twitter seriously. A lot of it is just engagement bait so some 15 year old can score some beer money. I doubt any actual matchgoing fans share this opinion.
Its twitter, did you expect to find reasonable and rational opinions on twitter? You're correct about Bellingham but you're very wrong about public transport timings. Like couldn't be more wrong about it. Youre a Jude Bellingham overhead kick amount of wrong.
As an England fan, I despise the Vocal Minority of England fans, these same fans who criticise Southgate constantly seem to forget just how shit we were before Southgate took over. Since Sven was manager and we had some solid but unremarkable performances, lets have a look at our tournament record prior to Southgate; Euro 2008 - Didn't Qualify WC 2010 - Dicked by Germany in Round 2 Euro 2012 - Quarter Finals WC 2014 - Group Stage Euro 2016 - Embarrassed by Iceland Since Southgate; WC 2018 - Semi Final Euro 2020 - Final WC 2022 - Quarter Final Euro 2024 - Minimum of Quarter Final Some England 'fans' are a disgrace to the country and the National Team. I think the majority of our fans are great, we can laugh when we're shit and celebrate when we win. The fact is the miserable bastards hate success for some reason, I feel the reason is they're almost scared of us winning it because it will make the Southgate outers look a bit daft.
Not glazing Southgate 😂 we’ve got the best side in a generation and still haven’t won anything. Southgate is not a good tactician or pressure manager, he’s a company man good at arranging pros into circles and leading a chorus of kumbaya.
I’m also a cricket fan and I can say I’ve got no love lost towards Virat Kohli and his absolute arrogance in everything he does. He’s a great player don’t get me wrong but he’s entire persona and ego rubs so many people the wrong way so to see him struggle for a few years was fun to just bring him back down to earth.
