Why an ICON Bronco is Worth $300,000 - The Smoking Tire

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The problem with most Bronco builds is that they are, put simply, not good. Taking apart an old Bronco and putting it back together with a collection of new aftermarket parts may seem like a fairly straightforward task, but the result is often a vehicle that drives unpredictably, isn't reliable or dependable, and won't be put together any better than the original was. Then there's ICON. By re-engineering the entire vehicle cohesively from the ground up, the resulting Bronco drives and feels like one would want a vehicle to drive for three hundred large.
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Why an ICON Bronco is Worth $300,000 - The Smoking Tire
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@McNasty43 10 месяцев назад

To paraphrase Matt himself, it takes a lot of money to un-shitbox something.

@agmk135 10 месяцев назад

His love of design, engineering, and art is inspirational. Fantastic video.

@fraserwright9482 10 месяцев назад

Drive a Roadster chassis

@angelmoreno9339 10 месяцев назад

This kind of videos with the builders are awesome, they are a rare treat and always great to watch

@TheGavio93 10 месяцев назад

Ever heard of /Tuned?

@fprawkins 10 месяцев назад

Yes

@AlexGarcia-kg9pw 10 месяцев назад

Really cool getting to hear so much from the brains behind Icon. Great video as always!

@RealBearFace 10 месяцев назад

Most of the people complaining about the price can't even afford the wheels on these things. Is it alot? Yes. But its also a frame off, bolt by bolt, panel by panel reengineered machine that captures the love of the old vehicles but with moderness in mind. If i won the lotto today I'd be calling ICON tomorrow

@nyalsewell 10 месяцев назад

I freakin LOVE J-Ward and ICON. Stoked for this

@grovepeate3316 10 месяцев назад

I have been wanting one of these Bronco's for over 40 yrs.But they are out of my league price wise.Velocity,Gateway,Icon,and others make my head spin.Which one is best for the 225 thousand to 650 thousand build.They have all skyrocketed in price.That would be a good video to make .

@TheSmokingTire 10 месяцев назад

Icon is the best, bar none.

@kralcliam 10 месяцев назад

Anyone who thinks these are overpriced doesn't know what they are talking about. I work in custom autobody, we repair lots of restored/customized vehicles at my shop, including old Broncos, XJs, Blazers etc. Most of them are hacked together shit piles that go for well into the six figures for a "complete" build. Trust me $300k for an Icon is a bargain.

@Redrash12 5 месяцев назад

How so?

@twoeyedbob 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful truck But 300k Jeezus 😮

@drtydsh 10 месяцев назад

Yeah it's a load of bs

@zTimmyz0244 4 месяца назад

yeah maybe worth 95k

@bendover-bz4bc 3 месяца назад

Search the price p1800 volvo. It's barely 400 bhp car restored by cyan cars. Building a car from scratch is not joke. Why do you think henry ford invented whole factory to make cars ? Because human labour is expensive. Building a car is lot harder than you think and specially building a classic cars. Because there are no components and spare parts available. They have to build everything from scratch. They have to basically redesign everything in order to add smallest of features which are very common in Todays cars because todays cars are built by machines.

@GrannySmith1313 10 месяцев назад

7:00 I've been wondering for years why we don't have airplane style see-through visors in cars

@TheSmokingTire 10 месяцев назад

They are like $500 a side. Probably why OEM's don't want to use them.

@GrannySmith1313 10 месяцев назад

@@TheSmokingTire Fair enough. Then again, seems like an optional extra Mercedes/BMW/etc. customers are happy to pay 3K for

@TranceFur 10 месяцев назад

Probably because they don’t actually block the sun. Imagine driving while the sun is low and in your eyes, but instead of putting your visor down you just put your sunglasses on. Sure it’ll be *slightly* better, but you’d rather have the massive 10000°F ball of fusing hydrogen behind an opaque object.

@venom5809 10 месяцев назад

@@GrannySmith1313I’ve owned S classes and Range Rovers etc and have never had a desire for these and never will much less pay a premium for them 😂 I don’t know anyone else that would either plus they are less functional and have no mirrors.

@brianrainey2739 10 месяцев назад

Look….a Cars & Coffee custom that looks like an old Bronco! 😆 Take it offroad? Did you look at the colour of the interior and steering wheel? LOL. A show pony for rich guys…..

@TheVaultIsMine 10 месяцев назад

Gosh, these Bronco's aren't made, they're CRAFTED! Such impeccable quality from what seems like a sound gentleman, great vid!

@AndrewDRoyappa 10 месяцев назад

Loved the insight from the builder! Glad that was included in this video, added a lot to it

@troys75 10 месяцев назад

Awesome video!! Always enjoy seeing the details on a icon build

@impslap7620 10 месяцев назад

As much as I love seeing Jonathan geek out in his own vids, it's great to see one of his builds from a different perspective. For folks saying it's too much money, you're forgetting the engineering, materials and labor that goes behind it. It's not cheap to build things at this level in California (regulations, labor cost, rent, etc.) and, from experience being in manufacturing, I would bet there's not as much margin in these as folks think. These are not alternatives to expensive SUV's, they're their own thing. The idea of rolling art comes to mind. If/when I find myself in the market for a vintage Bronco or a similar build at this level, this is the only guy I will be calling.

@SmokingMan26 10 месяцев назад

God i love the ICON cars but the prices make me cry, though i know a good amount about them and how they are built so its understandable. Just sad a normal guy like me will never get to try one.

@deancostello14 10 месяцев назад

I don't really have any interest in a Bronco, even an ICON one, as much as I love their Land Cruisers. But I can just listen to Jonathan Ward talk about his projects all day. I love it.

@chriswagner9573 10 месяцев назад

TST - thanks for always making the best videos

@MikeKraft1975 10 месяцев назад

I’ve followed icon on RU-vid for a long time. Love everything he does.

@Lou-f 10 месяцев назад

Always suspected John was involved in the new bronco, ber his cars were ford inspiration too. Would love to see a lower one with a few inches less of travel. 👌🏻

@777jones 10 месяцев назад

And if there were a guy like this doing Lincoln Continentals properly, Ford would have built those again too.

@dbeckMSP 10 месяцев назад

as an owner of a first gen 4runner, i love these videos about old off roaders that are made retro-modern. i wish i could make my 4runner like this, such a cool build

@HoratioHoodoo 10 месяцев назад

Check out the rest of his work!

@nathandavis5003 10 месяцев назад

I like how this video was edited. Well done

@jjpg2000 10 месяцев назад

Great job guys, love the video!

@LiqdPT 10 месяцев назад

10:00 that's a Keyport! I've been using them for years and they just came out with a titanium version that I got. I belive they're based out of Las Vegas.

@murdoch9106 10 месяцев назад

Johnathan Ward might be my favorite person in automotive, could listen to that man talk about his company and the things they produce till the end of time! If I somehow fell in to filthy amounts of money I'd be on his doorstep so fast, the building might collapse! 😏 I got a million ideas, but I'd probably have them do a Land Cruiser of some sort. The idea of a big American land barge with a electric drive train and fully focused on woftability, comfort to the max but kept simple enough to not become a total headache. Very retro in every way, classy.

@wcmontana 10 месяцев назад

Awesome video. Love the level of attention to detail that John and his team employ. Who does this for C3 Corvettes? Now that's a video many of us would love to see. Detroit Speed did that Autocross version, but not to the level that Icon does. Is there anyone who is at Johns level for C3's?

@mendovato 10 месяцев назад

How much you guys want to bet that Jonathan hand stitched everything he's wearing in this video?

@brianrainey2739 10 месяцев назад

Nah, its all from the J. Peterman catalogue….

@jasonr9916 8 месяцев назад

Great video! Thanks.

@motoscro951 10 месяцев назад

I have an FJ60 with an LS3 swap, new high end interior , paint, body, new suspension. About 110k in it, wouldn’t trade for that prissy thing straight up. Yes I wheel it. 🤠

@BigTreeLander 10 месяцев назад

Post videos of it!

@stevexjet 10 месяцев назад

Rosen sunshades check out as OEM Bombardier/Learjet parts. I was a pilot for them for 15 years and have used, and broken, more than my fare share. Not enough shade in my opinion for super bright sun right in your eyes. But, combined with sunglasses, work just fine. Too bad we don’t see this type of product in other cars and trucks.

@nnwumeh1 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful rig!

@nycLPplayer 10 месяцев назад

I understood Singer's perfected Porsches but part of the reason people love these off road vehicles is all the imperfect character. Same thing with Harleys....the newer the bike the smoother and more "appliance like" they get. To each his own.

@Dirtbiker4life 10 месяцев назад

Crazy markup even with all the modifications to make it modern. Coming from someone who used to be a mechanic in the industry. Badass build but can definitely come down on cost a bit.

@robertsestito6821 10 месяцев назад

I disagree. Labor rates in California first off. Secondly most builds at this level are far over 500k if it was a singer or roaster shop.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

@Dirtbiker4life if you can produce something like that for less money, why aren't you?

@Lou-f 10 месяцев назад

Well there’s not much og bronco in there, which would explain it.

@BrainFuck10 10 месяцев назад

@@robertsestito6821nope! Roadster shop will build you a similar truck for less money, their builds start at $150k

@DaDaDo661 10 месяцев назад

No disrespect but a mechanic wouldn't necessarily be an expert or appreciate the refinements that exist in these things.

@CS-iv6hp 10 месяцев назад

Pure creative genius.

@AcesNtheEND 10 месяцев назад

He makes cool vehicles, but to call everyone else's builds squirrelly death traps is hilarious. He's building straight axle 4x4's in this instance, and they don't handle for shit compared to their independent front counter parts. A Roadster Shop 4x4 chassis with IFS would shit all over any of his builds. I can't remember what other show I watched with one of Icon's 4x4 based SUV's, and it had death wobble from hell when they got to the handling portion of the video. He builds vehicles for people with more money that spare time to do it themselves. Wonderful. Take the boutique hipster skinny jean attitude on down the road.

@fraserwright9482 10 месяцев назад

I would also note the idea of billet aluminium machined is a great idea by because it's cheaper, or in many ways like the man in the Shed making everything from MDF when others weld or the guys who make everything out of metal and others 3D print. A cast brass knob or switch that is Nickel plated then Chromed feels different. You can feel that with an old Rolls or car from that era. Much like Bakelite feels different to ABS plastic. This is why the ICON is an LA brand for Texans not a worldwide one

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

@@fraserwright9482I'm fairly certain Johnathan had said many of his customers are overseas.

@fraserwright9482 10 месяцев назад

Which by overseas you mean Australia 😂 I have only seen a few of the ICON 4x4s in Australia and one in a Thai collection, but these were all FJs. Broncos were never exported so this is a North American thing. It's like the new Broncos it's a vehicle you import yourself. This would be like guys who import a Daihatsu Move to the US.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

@@fraserwright9482 mainly the middle easy. Though I believe it's Land Cruisers more than anything.

@brandonprater6934 9 месяцев назад

I WOT clean jeeps on the reg in my $1000 78 at 90mph and a new MSD box and Edlebrock double pumper. but you do you.. This video illustrates why I wont even buy a new bronco much less an icon. I would be too afraid of scratches and thus it would be a street queen...

@etmccaus 10 месяцев назад

No squeaks, rattles, and little wind noise? Hell, that's better than the current Bronco.

@eghty8fox780 9 месяцев назад

For $300, 000 there better be no wind noise

@RumblestripDotNet 10 месяцев назад

@TheSmokingTire what's the watch in today's video?

@MicheleFerrariAX 10 месяцев назад

matt what's the watch you wearing?

@verdict1163 10 месяцев назад

The tactile quality thing is how old Mercedes are too. Except they're $10k.

@tiggi3010 10 месяцев назад

"what you don't want is to make a truck with components made by different guys from different companies because it will be squirrelly" What does he do? He made a truck with components made by different guys from different companies 😂

@deadbolt9019 10 месяцев назад

Strangely he's even using the stock Advanced Adapters t-case shifters. You'd think for a 300k+ build he'd at least machine his own.

@RetrocarStyle 10 месяцев назад

Really nice custom Bronco. Its true that without mods, these are horrible. You turn slight left....and it turns right....😂

@dlrmon1 10 месяцев назад

Lol...I remember buying Bronco’s in the $5-800. range. The. Fixing them up with new paint, w&t’s, etc. etc...then selling them for $2-2500. All for the purpose of funding my own personal build. The off-road vehicle I kept from the 80’s era is a ‘70 GMC Jimmy that now has seen rebuilds from the late 80’s, 1998 and now 2012. Next rebuild will be back to near original.

@antonarcane93 10 месяцев назад

As good as it gets! DREAM TRUCK!!

@bc6806 10 месяцев назад

You gotta try out a Legacy Power Wagon 👌🏻

@GreyCrowe 10 месяцев назад

I dunno. I'm seeing quite a few professionally built coyote swap Broncos pop up for around $120-150k all over Texas. Considering the affinity people down here have for broncos, that makes me call into question their cost vs liveability.

@aggiewoodie 10 месяцев назад

Icon’s are light years ahead of anyone else. No detail overlooked. Not just new old stock or reproduction parts- literally every piece, screw, nut is remade out of better materials to tighter tolerances.

@shagnasty6391 10 месяцев назад

@@aggiewoodiego drop $300k on one then..

@bendover-bz4bc 3 месяца назад

@@aggiewoodiehonestly who needs that much details? Just make a daily driveavle classic car which doesn't cost arm and leg and then we talking. Who needs all screws and fabric aligned so perfectly? Only a gay man would care for something like that.

@jjonesx86 10 месяцев назад

Love it! I almost bought a Jeep Grand Wagoneer with a fully modernized setup but couldn't justify the cost. I love that there are people out there with the skills and the passion to bring these to life!

@blakslee720 10 месяцев назад

Mat: it’s only needs 200hp Zack: haha, coyote go brrrrr

@chaseteter 10 месяцев назад

I have only driven one Bronco. It was owned by a wealthy guy, one of his many cars. A ‘90. It felt like a rolling death trap as well. I didn’t know that is an actual thing.

@bikebudha01 10 месяцев назад

a fool and his money are soon parted...

@evoguy23 10 месяцев назад

10:41 Great feature, a stereo under the armrest that you have to look directly down to use, taking your eyes completely off the road 😂

@TheSmokingTire 10 месяцев назад

Best case scenario the stereo is on the dash where you have to take your eyes off the road AND lean way away from the steering wheel.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

@evoguy23 like that is any worse than everything being integrated into a screen.

@thenameiwantedwastaken 10 месяцев назад

I love Icons builds and design philosophy. Would really enjoy seeing you guys try one of hus Thriftmaster Builds

@cyaman24 10 месяцев назад

What watch are you wearing Matt?

@theotherbrad5650 10 месяцев назад

I love Jonathan Ward and have been following him for years. But it's a $300,000 Bronco, so we shouldn't be all that surprised that it's really something.

@douglevyphoto 10 месяцев назад

Is the steering wheel huge? It looks huge.

@kevinkadrmas3260 10 месяцев назад

I didn’t know Adam Savage had a twin brother!

@Br1anuk 10 месяцев назад

I bet Johnathan made those boots he's wearing.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

He might have.

@Metalution 10 месяцев назад

It’s a shame that someone took the time and energy to make something for off-road and nobody is going to use it for that purpose. Kind of useless in that sense. I am surprised Matt and Zach didn’t say anything about that. Maybe I am missing the point or a checkbook that can support this.

@eghty8fox780 9 месяцев назад

They are probably getting paid for this advertisement trying to help this guy sell these

@carsonfiero4209 10 месяцев назад

Can you get Mr Ward on the pod cast again please!

@wch7251 10 месяцев назад

ultimate ACK whip

@mcutternin 10 месяцев назад

Great video as always fellas. Still. I couldn't help but notice at 11:22 the door armrest/grab handle. The theme of the vehicle seems to be quality. You spend megabucks on an ancient bronco, but you get the painstaking quality. I'm sorry, but that handle/armrest looks like something hastily glued on. Did anyone look at that thing? Looks like a wobbly piece of clay that a child threw there. Not impressive at all for the absolutely silly price. Luckily I am in no position to consider such an absurdity, so I'll let the folks with the dough complain about it. Again, great video.

@aggiewoodie 10 месяцев назад

It’s probably the original piece, remade in better materials, and wrapped in luxury leather. And I promise it won’t wobble or rattle. You could probably wrap a tow strap around it and pull the Bronco out of the mud.

@mcutternin 10 месяцев назад

@@aggiewoodie I'm sure you are correct. However, if I was paying $300k, that piece would not do at all. Based on appearance alone.

@TheBucketOfTruth 10 месяцев назад

Yeah I didn't notice that but you're right it looks crooked.

@miha_ity 10 месяцев назад

Am I the only one who see's something sitting wrong at 3:49 down and right from the Currie plaque?

@bman828 10 месяцев назад

Let’s go!

@pgerber07 10 месяцев назад

Damn that's a lot of money, but I bet it's worth every penny.

@infidel900rr 10 месяцев назад

Being the poor peasant that I am, even if I hit the lotto, I could never imagine driving this off-road after spending 300k on it. Heck Id be scared just to take it our of the garage for a spin, and not because it doesn’t have airbags.

@venom5809 10 месяцев назад

I remember years ago one of my colleagues and his brother both bought ICON vehicles, paid an ungodly amount of money for them. They went back to Range Rovers and the even the new Defender. I could see maybe $150,000 to $200,000 but $300,000 is ridiculous.

@TranceFur 10 месяцев назад

@venom5809 I have a feeling they had unrealistic expectations. If they went back to driving brand new Land Rovers, it would seem that they didn’t appreciate the charm of driving an antique truck with very few (by modern standards) amenities. It’s like claiming that Singer 911s are overpriced because your friends tried them and then decided they would rather have brand new 911 GT3 Tourings instead.

@venom5809 10 месяцев назад

@@TranceFurSingers are overpriced 😂🤷‍♂️

@kralcliam 10 месяцев назад

Sorry, but how would you know how much it should cost? Do you realize how complete these builds are? Start adding up the cost of major components like the NEW frame, engine, trans, transfer case, axles, coil over suspension, big brakes, custom interior with high quality upholstery, aerospace grade wiring, glass... I wouldn't be surprised if parts alone are over 100k. Then there's God knows how many labor hours to build it all, and on top of all that body and paint work which probably runs 15-25k. Sorry your colleague is a spoiled cupcake with unrealistic expectations, but it sounds like he deserves to be just another douchebag in a Range Rover.

@baddriversofcolga 10 месяцев назад

If you can build one and sell it for $150,000 feel free.

@stickmansays 10 месяцев назад

Who wouldn’t want an ICON in their driveway!! Having said that, I would only want one for quick rides to town or the beach / lake. Which I’m sure is what the majority of owners use them for.

@bmx687 10 месяцев назад

Preface with i am not the clientele. At 300k, i wouldnt want to use it in the way it should be used. Also, how would the "resale" be? Higj probability that you wont be able to get rid of it.

@hatleyjm2000 9 месяцев назад

There's been a few sold on Bring a Trailer but also several that didn't hit their reserve--even at $200K+.

@imgooley 10 месяцев назад

Jonathan Ward is worth ten times of every second he's on screen

@marshallemmett3313 10 месяцев назад

Would you say ICON is the Singer of Broncos?

@blairbarnes2922 10 месяцев назад

so damn cool

@jaredfaidley8391 10 месяцев назад

neat!

@imgooley 10 месяцев назад

Whenever john ward is not on scryim asking myself why isnt he on screen lmfao

@KnauerJonathan 10 месяцев назад

I love these trucks. But honestly, all the talk about drivability and durability falls a bit flat - none of the ones that come up for sale ever have more than a few thousand miles. As good as they may be, it doesn't seem like the owners use them?

@jnzkngs 10 месяцев назад

I know he wouldn't do it, but if I won the lottery I would love to have him build me a derelict chevette.

@pibblesnbits 9 месяцев назад

If this guy designed the new Bronco, I'd want nothing to do with the Icon.....not that I could afford the Icon at 300k lol.

@Anouyz 9 месяцев назад

Old truck steering is more like a boat, you get used to it

@Bierkameel 10 месяцев назад

I have been following Icon for years, I would love on of these cars instead of a new supercar.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

I know right. A fraction of the price of a Bugatti and a hundred times more usable.

@georgetaper 10 месяцев назад

Un-shitboxing is always the most impressive.

@mikebond9315 10 месяцев назад

totally not an icon commercial

@dontdoit6403 10 месяцев назад

Getting out of hand😂😂😂😂. I remember someone wanted to give me one 20 years ago I didn't take it.

@aggiewoodie 10 месяцев назад

Anyone who thinks Icon is ripping people off, I guarantee each of these has 2/3rds of its price in the original Bronco + new parts (many nearly handmade in house) not even accounting for 1000s of hours in labor.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

If anyone can build something at this level for less money, they're an idiot not to.

@Brian-os9qj 10 месяцев назад

Jonathan Ward knows, then does it right.

@spencersmustache2844 10 месяцев назад

It looks Iike a kids seat with Matt in it

@someperson7 10 месяцев назад

Well, that's a work of art and no doubt about it. But spent wisely 300 thousand buys, not one, but two houses. Also putting the radio down by the hand takes your eyes so far off the road that peripheral vision isn't gonna help you. It's a dangerous design. Still, it's a nice truck. Just not 300 grand nice. That's the stupid money.

@TheSmokingTire 10 месяцев назад

not two good houses....

@someperson7 10 месяцев назад

@@TheSmokingTireif you know what you're doing it does

@sjhudon386 10 месяцев назад

@TheSmokingTire Two good houses in WV with land. Not a joke

@xevilpetex 10 месяцев назад

You can sleep in your car, but you can’t drive your house 😂

@imSchwaggy 10 месяцев назад

Whistlin diesel is mostlikely gonna get this and destroy it. Id love to see what it can handle.

@thegaragejournal6584 10 месяцев назад

Felt a bit like a new bronco commercial...

@scottriley9398 10 месяцев назад

In 25 years the Jeep Jk will be getting the same treatment

@drtone 10 месяцев назад

understated to a fault

@piersclarkson9712 10 месяцев назад

Anyway... i would rather work with him on my own derelict build if money was no object... One of one....😊

@Cpalms327 10 месяцев назад

"it's set up to be an off-roader". but don't get it anywhere near dirt. Did Icon pay for this advertisement?

@jasonbecker4613 10 месяцев назад

It’s only worth that to the guy that is restoring it. Not to everyone 🤔

@richardwalther6229 10 месяцев назад

Still a tough sell at $300K. I see about 99% of customers opting for a fifty thousand dollar Bronco build, and saving the other $250K for medical bills.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

Icon customers get their vehicle tailored to them. None of them are built to sit around waiting for a buyer.

@jeffk464 10 месяцев назад

Yes, at the Ford dealership.

@actuaals 10 месяцев назад

I don’t need to spend $300k to have fun in an old school truck. Probably about $20k in suspension + another $20k for the coyote and engine excluding labor. Not worth it imo. Only if you have a lot of money to throw away.

@eco8gator 8 месяцев назад

300k...really? Very nice vehicle but the price makes no sense.

@bcs528 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful build but $300k seems a bit absurd..

@tbunreall 10 месяцев назад

I don't think the obvious had to be stated, but if you think 300k is too much, this is obviously not for you.

@drtone 10 месяцев назад

understated to a fault............devoid of sense of humor and fun...........washes money effectively.......eschewing baja flares and only offering rear teardrop wheel well,,,,,, lol

@joeyscleaninglady2877 6 месяцев назад

he refuses to put a 4bt in it...

@markspoor4663 2 месяца назад

300k is a house the some and rounding error to others.

@c0c0asauce 10 месяцев назад

If you have to manage customer expectations for a $300,000 custom off road vehicle then either the buyer is an idiot or the builder is a scammer.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

People are idiots in general. I knew someone who worked at a Jeep dealership and told me numerous stories about irate customers who thought their warranty would cover any abuse they put their new Jeep through. Yeah, it's a Jeep but that doesn't mean you can take it straight to Moab from the dealership.

@c0c0asauce 10 месяцев назад

@@stevenwilliams1805 Intentionally ignoring the warranty information provided prior to and during the purchase of a vehicle is wilful ignorance. Letting a salesman tell you that you can't have the highest expectations for a vehicle that is being custom built for you that costs over 1/4 million is stupid.

@stevenwilliams1805 10 месяцев назад

@@c0c0asauce sure. However I've known idiots who think if one spends enough money it's possible to make a truck handle like a Porsche. Of course those were idiots who didn't have the money but, I suspect having money doesn't necessarily make people any smarter.

@c0c0asauce 10 месяцев назад

@@stevenwilliams1805 It is possible to make a truck handle like a Porsche when the truck has a frame and suspension built from scratch. In 2013 GM put out a truck that ran ring times within 20 seconds of the 2013 Boxster record. That wasn't a $300k custom built truck.

@BrainFuck10 10 месяцев назад

@@c0c0asauceit’s not either or it’s a combination of both, the builder is taking advantage because the customers are dumb