Why Apple is DUMB 

Well what phone are you using?

​@@TheHarris619lrrelevant

@@androiduser7871 how is that irrelevant, that's literally the point they are making 😵‍💫 if you already have an iPhone 15 can't hurt that it's now your Xbox/switch/steam deck

For real lol stop lying Austin you rich white boy you ain’t over apple until apple is over you

@@TheHarris619 Irrelevent and delusional He said for 300$ or more you can buy a decent gaming device why would any sane one who want a gaming device pay 5 times the price for an iphknphone

They are making us pay to future proof the device basically.... The Ram should be so damn expensive and neither should storage.... absolutely outrageous.

Especially considering you have to make your choice at checkout cos you can't upgrade it later. But at this point, their lowest end specs really shouldn't even be a thing now. 8gb RAM shouldn't be the minimum any more - 16Gb should be. And a 512Gb drive? Seriously? We've had multi-terabyte drives for _so long_ now, that 1Tb absolutely SHOULD be the lowest spec it's possible to get at this point in time, hell I could even argue it should be 2Tb minimum. Then again, I'm also of the opinion that computer monitors shouldn't be 1080p any more and games shouldn't be designed/coded to target that resolution either - that resolution shouldn't even be an _option_ for anyone to chose, 1440p should be the new lowest-end spec you can possibly get. About time we all moved on and raised the lower floor up a level considering just how ancient all these lowest-end specs really are and how long we've had the higher-end stuff for. For me, 512Gb hard drives, 8GB RAM and 1080p monitors/screens is the equivalent of signing up to a streaming service, and because you chose the cheapest monthly subscription they ship you out a VHS player and VHS tapes. It just doesn't make any logical sense to keep those lowest end specs still going when we've had better for so long, and pushing up the lowest floor not only offers a better experience all-round, it also encourages the highest floors to be advanced more as well.

@@DavidStruveDesigns Your argument from the consumer side makes so much sense and I agree whole heartedly. Everyone in 2023 just has so much digital Bagged that 1TB should be the lowest storage spec. However Apple Gotta make their money somehow and they choose too do it by making you pay to future proof your device. I think they will have to start increasing the floor here soon because M1 was just so Good that people aren't finding a reason to upgrade anymore and a new color and chip ain't it!

@@yellowdrangon The problem is, it's really _not_ "future proof" at all. Cos after a few years Apple devices "mysteriously" start slowing down and failing. With OS updates older tech outright doesn't get them or it performs _awfully_ on that hardware, and newer software acts sluggish on older hardware too. The last Apple product I bought was an iPad (I forget the generation, it might have been a 2nd or 3rd Gen) but I had terrible timing and they'd come out with the latest generation a few months later (which was I think now 2 generations above?) - despite it being a brand new iPad and only a couple of years out of date it suddenly slowed down massively, wouldn't charge all the way despite the brand-new battery and eventually after about five months ownership it stopped working altogether. And it absolutely refused to download and install the latest OS which got a brand new version with the new model release. When I got a tech repair shop to check it out, they said the hardware was still perfect and it was being slowed by software and OS updates. So yeah the lowest end spec makes _no sense_ and forcing upgrades the way they do is unfair ESPECIALLY because their devices won't last for the lifespan of the _hardware_ inside.

Same. Only problem is I'm poor

??? You can literally play lies of p at 4k on a macbook now with good fps, it should make you want it even more since even though they may be slow now, they'll eventually be more gaming oriented

It's NOT that the machines are slow, is that they lack the RAM to open up all of it's said capabilities. EVERYTHING bottlenecks at the RAM and until Apple doesn't offer 32GB as the base standard configuration, you will get lag. Drop in 64GB+ of Ram and it's a whole different world for Apple machines and Timmy boy is simply dropping the ball in that regard.@@OmniKoneko

@@OmniKonekowhat if I want to play another game?

@@bandito241 Have patience for more releases in the future, just like linux it has to go through the process

yeah its too late now gaming has long lost its novelty and financial people will only look at the profit and greed, so yeah there is no way it is going to work starting so late, maybe if they buy valve or at least partner with them hmm maybe

@@juki6377there is nothing like an iPhone or iPad right now for the mobile gaming market. More powerful? Yes but not in comparison to the M2 iPad Pro with 16gb. Power efficient with no active cooling? Absolutely not. Can get on your phone plan like iPhones and iPad? No

@@TylerKhan I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. By games I meant like PC or console games not mobile if that helps. It's not just about power its the whole support and infrastructure behind it. You might have something powerful but for whatever reason if there are no Devs or compatibility is an issue you can be running big blue you won't go far

GeForce Now is on MacOS.

I mean the Switch and Steamdeck are the same or slightly smaller than the larger iPhone, and you can always dock all of them when you actually want a full screen

Isn't it a bit too late? I guess it depends on which stage of development the game is in, but if it is already well in, you're doing GPT stuff anyway

Man if they could Bring GTA6 to Mac.....it would be Amazing!

@@_shreyash_anand Nah Rockstar releases on console then ports to pc around a year to a year and a half later.

This is one of those things I couldn't help but read and realize that I've never cared to pay attention to something like that but I have a strange feeling you just created a future habit. You bastard.

@@Butt_Muffinlol thanks

Why

Eew. If that's your endgame don't bother.

@@AstonGryffynn Why? For simplicity sake they should be treated like consoles. Since there is such a small spread in performance it'd be easy to optimize and lock down, juuuust like a console.

thats actually smart. allowing devs to extract more performance than comparable pc specs

the problem is not the performance, but the code, porting for mac is a fucking nightmare

Also a large portion of the users have base level hardware where even Gpu is trashed by discrete Gpus not to talk about that 8gb of shared ram/vram...

It would probably cost Apple their "appstore tax" to make this deal and they wont give that up

Valve doesn’t want to work with Apple now though, mainly because Apple dropped 32-bit which decimated their game library to Valves annoyance, and also refusing to support vulkan. It also highlighted to Valve that Apple could not be trusted to not just throw devs the towel whenever it wanted.

Dropping vulkan support was needles if anything. I mean sure, have your metal or whatever, but why bother removing an industry standard (which was already working) just to force the use of metal.

That’s the thing with these games. If it runs on the Mac it can run on the iPad. I think that’s why they have invested in making controller drivers that work on iOS, iPad and macOS.

@@bandito241 well, then bring more games over I need half-life, one and two on my iPad yesterday

valve doesnt see much of an incentive to port to OSX, as what theyve already publically said with counter strike. Apple needs to develop an OSX equivalent of proton, or conceed and allow vulkan to work on their hardware natively to lessen the work on developers. Forcing devs to do it one way and one way only when the market isn't even there will not go anywhere.

Guaranty Apple would want a huge cut and they would want to control Steam... No deal.

You are what is wrong with the world hahah😢

Ah yes buying to support poor Devs..... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Actually, I unironically do this, and the Magic Mouse is legitimately an amazing gaming mouse. The secret is using a glass mousepad and a mod to make it zero friction. It’s actually hilarious because they made an amazing mouse and then made everyone think it’s terrible just because they are so bad at advertising what it actually does well

@@garrusvakarian8709 Ipads don't have that problem but I mean IOS isn't broken for iPhone if it doesn't support extended display using an external monitor. Dex on phones is still a very niche thing on the android side of things. If gaming starts to pick up for Iphones and Ipads then that will most likely bring extended screen support for Iphones. At least for games.

I imagine he'd recognize how much TC has grown apple and go back to his dirtnap without comment. What was Apple's market cap and share at the moment Jobs ate it versus today?

Bug part of why it is not viable for devs is Apple.

The only problem is, apple isn't really into going headfirst into new categories, other than MAYbe the vision pro.

Calm down