Why Are Batman Movies Afraid Of Robin? 

smile robin girl batman dead robin smart robin girl robin girl robin 2 dark robin dark girl batman black... robin? Gotta catch'em all!

They just love pushing that Robin button. Might as well be Goku with a muffin button.

@@Draliseth Or Cell with a Goku button?

Pokémon, gotta catch ‘em all

@@marxist-leninist-protagonist black robin hasn’t happened yet

“Like I said, Jack, kids are cruel! And I am very in touch with my inner child!”

Remember when DC tried to change it to Rick? The fandom literally when “HIS NAMES NOT RICK”

@@yadiraaguilar2035 we don’t talk about Rick Grayson

@@dogpenguin1239 Or Dick Tracy.

@@ihavespoken9871 I'm a simple man. I see a Sundowner quote in the comments, I leave a like.

Yeah. Looking back, a lot of those comments reek of desperation to defend this idea or Batman as a figure of “masculine purity”. When people say they love, serious, dark Batman, they often mean they love the idea of him as a being of pure, undiluted masculinity. They like Batman as a manly man’s man who only does manly man things and feels manly man feelings and having a child sidekick dilutes the manly man factor because a child is not a manly man.

@@tatehildyard5332 that's incredibly accurate

@@chairmanm3ow Thank you. Men kind of suck.

@@tatehildyard5332 lmao i laugh really hard after reading your comment

@@tatehildyard5332 what's wrong with that?

People also forget Bruce was in the same shoes and look how he turned up into.

conversely, I hate that Terry McGinnis feels like another Robin while calling himself Batman. Batman should come with a weight, almost like a curse. The Batman persona should be transferred to Terry, which slowly consumes him, thus necessitating his own surrogate family. no it doesn't need to be a futuristic Robin, Batgirl, etc but he should be (for lack of a better term) poisoned by the Batman identity and need to seek out a support system to keep him in check.

Fr I totally agree, but *Gotham

"light to Batman's shadow"?

Jason tim and Damian are pretty dark

@@chairmanm3ow Terry was sort of like Grayson if Bruce gave him the chance to be Batman. Grayson didn't get the chance or want the chance to be batman when he left and became nightwing.

My favourite version of batman is actually Batdad. Because he is so awkwardly brooding and angsty but he's surrounded by teenagers whom are arguably more dramatic and angsty then he is. Makes him a really relatable father to them.

* cough cough * The Lego Batman Movie * cough cough *

I hope we also see his development of combat and gadgets.

I've only just encountered this now (except for Lego Batman) that I've begun reading comics, and started in earnest with Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo's run.

@@MajorDude14 Given that Pattinson and Reeves have expressed hopes of depicting the Court of Owls and Mr Freeze, respectively, it would seem things are set to get more heightened.

A Batman Saga so to speak

Hopeful?? It's not done because it's insanely bad writing. It makes Bruce evil. It makes Bruce the bad guy. He's making child soldiers lol. That's not hopeful. It being framed that way is nonsense. In a live action movie even remotely taking itself seriously, there would be zero excuse to have a robin and have Batman be remotely justified. There is no situation where that is justified.

Then Joker beats 2nd Robin to death because Bruce can not have a happy life for long.

@@bobdylan1968 good writers realise that Robin isn’t supposed to be a child soldier. Robin is someone who Bruce helps confront his grief and gives a better chance at life than he ever got. Robin is supposed to be the Watson to Batman’s Holmes, not just someone who beats up criminals. Most of the time Batman doesn’t want Robin to help him fight crime, but he ends up proving himself.

@@jacobkirk1846 DUDE, Batman is sending a CHILD out to physically fight serial killers on rooftops. Give me a break. Under no situation is that "healthy coping with grief". Are you joking? Like c'monnnn. No, BAD writers do what you just suggested. That's utter nonsense. Get the kid a therapist??? Batman is selfish. He's PROJECTING his issues into the kid. Dude, some writers DO address this. Especially in Robin centered storylines. Where Bruce DID absuseeeee them. Listen to dick speak about it, or Jason. Dick says all the time that he is not Bruce, that what Bruce did was not okay, and that he does not want to be Bruce. Both Jason and Dick have turned in Bruce for his behavior with robins. JASON DIED lol. Batman got the kid killed. Tortured. Tortured. A child.

I think that all really depends on how you view Batman, as a tragedy vs an more happy story, things like Batman beyond for instance show Bruce’s ending as a tragedy. He’s stuck in a cave alone without any friends or family until Terry comes around. Bruce drove them all off. Batman beyond is an excellent show and still manages to take the character in a sort of sad direction so I don’t think Bruce is necessarily a bad or uninteresting character when he doesn’t grow out of that. He’s just a tragic one.

I don't know what is exactly "edgelord" about that lol

I think the fear for true comic book fans, is not getting Robin right, especially with the current Batman. If they can protray him correctly, the way Hitgirl as a side kick, in that world, was for Kickass. He should be youthful, fun, not comical, but humorous, and have the skills. Correct actor, director and tone for Robin, would definitely work. Honestly, Tom Hollands Peter Parker/ Spiderman is a good starting point to work from.

Buddy how about you tune down your judgement and Psycho analysis why some people might prefer a movie without Robin. Robin is just a weird concept. Batman taking in a child to fight crime is disturbing, not hopeful. It's him ensuring that the cycle doesn't end. It's Batman trying to prove himself right. If it's possible for Gotham to live without a Batman after his death, then could he have been wrong? So instead of acknowledging that thought he trains children to become him.

@@Serryy crime never truly disappears; someone will always try to be a villain Robin has his own motives for wanting to be a superhero. That’s why he’s willing to take up the responsibility.

That's literally Robin's entire backstory. Bruce never recruited him.

*Bruce picked him up.

Leon The Professional

​@@avoidant560 but not to be robin

@@avoidant560, not really, he adopted Dick because he was the only one who could understand his pain. It's complicated: Bruce takes in Dick, Dick decides he wants revenge on his parents' killer, Bruce doesn't want Dick to be a killer himself or be simply another dark copy of him, so he creates Robin (which is actually a nickname that Dick's mom gave him, hence the bird and bat family thing) to keep Dick from going off on his own and motivate the kid towards better goals. As Funny Animato here says, Leon The Professional style

Wow, I like this. Thanks for the comment.

and Jason is what every parent fears will happen to their children.

And then next there’s Jason

Yeah, Dick is the best Robin no doubt

In Ubermensch, UM and She Wolf retrieve their son from the past, as a boy, after as an adult he kills many of the world's heroes and is himself killed by Alpha Man.

plus the heavy focus on orphanhood and what it does to a person

That darwyn cooke moment from new frontier was one of my absolute favorites

@@pagesoflines It’s just the best.

Reeves and Pattinson have said they're interested in using Robin in a future movie. So that gives me hope.

@@NCO643 This is also very unlike Bale and Nolan who openly criticised and despised the character of Robin. The chances of Robin showing up in the future are pretty high tbh

Keeping the same actor is ideal but I wouldn’t care if they recast in this instance

@@InjusticeJoshrecast to another kid? Lets hope that kid has a younger brother who can act

@@wyattcole5452 I meant showing the passage of time. Maybe in one movie there’s a kid but in the next he’s a teen and then in the finale he’s a young adult. That young adult actor will stay as Dick Grayson or whatever Robin for the rest of the cinematic universe. Or they could also do a thing where since Brave and the Bold is a movie where Batman is already old and is on stage 4 aka Damien, then there can be flashbacks of young Dick Grayson or young Tim Drake like what Titans did.

@@InjusticeJosh they might be able to do that with an actor if they film the movies right

There are adults who look like teenagers, it's easy

It’s always been well-documented that they added Robin for the kids to relate to.

@@ProudPapa26 So, comic book-reading kids are Robins wanting to be Batman, while men are Batmen hoping to raise Robins?

And it's been super popular in recent years; the Witcher, Mandolorian, God of War, the last of us, even Wolverine

A child doesn't belong on the streets of Gotham fighting criminals. I've never liked the idea of Batman training child soldiers and I hate it especially now when the current robin is Damien Wayne. (Stupid edgelord). Even as a kid I prefered Batman on his own. The only Batman's protege I can get behind is Terry McGuiness, because he wasn't a child when he forced his way into a life of fighting crime.

@@tomebasic2843I kinda get what your saying and largely agree but dick is different, in the comics and with the evolution of the characters. dick the person not just the superhero is vital without him there is no red hood, bat girl, or any other bat family, Batman himself would be a completely different person and narratively a villain by now, the justice league would be different especially superman and many of the titans wouldn’t exist, the list goes on. this is a massive problem that the dcu is going to have to try and solve, nightwing has to exist.

You are correct. Most Batman fanbois are fans of the grimdark non emoting Batman that punches criminals and that's it. And vicariously live through that. They don't care for nor like anything regarding the Batman mythos or comics.

Not only the comics, they also probably haven't seen one of the best pieces of batman media to ever exist - the animated series. Or anything related to DCAU for that matter.

may be they are hating due to Batman and the Robin movie

I'll be honest, I liked batman when I was younger. He was great but something never clicked that made him my favourite. Then I started reading the comics. I fell in love with his relationship with Robin and other people. I feel like Batman needs another character to bounce off of to be at his best.

Agreed.

I forget the issue or details, but I loved when Nightwing was fighting a Batman villain and was in a tough spot and whoever it was said “You’re not quite like Batman” And he’s like “I’m not! I have friends” then multiple triple A heroes just come out of the woodwork and finish the fight

I also absolutely love Dick 😘😘

The titans show is sooo good they take a little too long for my taste to make him Nightwing at first but they rly do him well in the last season

2 of my favorite DC heroes are Batman and Superman... Dick Grayson to me is the best of both, that's why he's in my top 3 along the Big 2

yesss i love that Dick Grayson is kinda the opposite of batman in that regard with the DC heroes.. Everyone respects Batman... but everyone LOVES Dick Grayson. Outside the Big 3, him and wally west are probably the "glue" of the DC universe.

Shit could help with Alfred too since he clearly saw Bruce as his own but Bruce rejected that notion, have him go through that rejection with his own adoptive son and learn from both relationships

Yeah, I think a big weakness of modern cinematic attempts of Batman has been the lack fo the Bat-family. The good news is, they didn't ruin the concept yet and it looks like we're primed to get a good version built.

There's a Batman Family Drama Series just waiting to happen. Someone competent just has to make it. Mabye something like Encanto

There's a Batman webtoon comic focusing on the batfamily relationship.

@@Raelis_ Yes! I read it, it's fantastic

With the Nolan and Snyder Batman films, there's not really a spot to fit in Robin without it overcomplicating the story and even being a bit redundant in places. For example, you don't need to give Nolan or Snyder's Batman a "Watson to his Holmes" when Alfred exists and they can talk over the radio. Plus Batman's character in these films has a specific arc he's going through that a Robin can't really fit into. In Nolan's films, it's the story of Batman establishing himself. You kinda need an already established and active Batman in order for him to then take in a Robin. And by the time Batman establishes himself in those movies, The Joker is already there. So unless you want a movie that deals with both Batman dealing with Joker and the origin of the Robin, it's probably wiser to leave Robin out and focus on Joker. And in Snyder's version, Robin needs to be dead to be that extra reason to push Batman into his darkness. In Reeve's Batman, it could work as a sequel given Batman's position.

Thiiiis

Plus he would a perfect character to use for exposition for. As Bill Finger said (that Patrick pointed out in the video) Robin is the Watson. Matt Reeves is clearly focusing on Batman being a detective (why it took so long for someone to do that, IDK) so Robin can be there asking Batman questions throughout the movie. And hell, Watson is another character that got a resurrection these past years. He was always seen as bumbling idiot when in the books, he is very capable himself. Then Guy Ritchie and Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss pointed out that Watson is actually awesome and very necessary for Holmes stories. It can happen to Robin too

@@backtoklondike right on the nose!

Or he starts training Robin privately but since he's so young he of course doesn't want him going out and fighting until his older. Conflict there between a headstrong 13 to 14 year old wanting to fight and a father figure telling him hes not ready.

If Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale made Robin work in Dark Victory comic series (a sequel for The Long Halloween) it has no reason it couldn't work in dark grittier Batman live action movie.

There's an Alfred show on hbo max. Live action

Ever heard of Pennyworth?

@@catsend I just checked it out, I like the show 👍

That’s as absurd as a Joe Chill solo movie. They’re just supporting characters in a bigger story.

@@ProudPapa26 Alfred has some lore behind him though, it gets tiresome to see the same stories and characters... Btw some kind of material depicting Joe Chill and his life before and after killing Bruce's parents would be interesting if done well.

Dont forget those nightcakes...

"DICK FANS RISE UP" -a certain twitter user

I do this shit so much😭

r/batmanarkham

And now Batgirl is getting her own movie. Poor Robin 😂

The prophecy held true

Best part is the scene after, where it says the batmobile gets a movie (the batmobile is now getting it's own series)

Alfred deserves it

Better when they get the belt movie!

Facts

That's why Nightwing is my favorite superhero

The more and more I think about it I think Nightwing might be one of my favorite superheroes.

To me, Nightwing is mainly just Batman with daddy issues. I prefer him over the typical Robin role but I do kinda roll my eyes when the "robins" show up in the comics.

@@vladv5126 not really. Nightwing is on pretty good terms with his parental figures. Alive and dead. Jason is really the one with daddy issues, considering the whole, "dying alone in a dirty warehouse because my mom betrayed me" thing.

I like it, but it could follow canon by Dick being bored and alone in the Wayne household and he is triggered by a news article that Zuko (the animated series gangster who was sabotaged the Graysons acrobat equipment due to refusing Zuko's protection racket offer) escaped while on bail. Dick then uses his ample free time to play detective and sneaking off in the night. Bruce eventually finds him while they're both tracking down Zuko. Dick, not knowing who Batman is reveals his personal feelings and the two reconcile by the end of the story. I also like the older Robin from Arkham Knight video game. Helpful from the lab and is support for Barbara.

i agree also Dick was always going to go after his family's murderer and Jason was always going to steal something so him teaching them how to fight is important to their safety

*It's actually amazing to me how we almost never get Robin even though he's an integral part of Batman's mythos but, everywhere you turn, Joker is being shoved down your throats. I'm tired of seeing the Joker all the time. Ledger in 2008, Leto in 2016, Phoenix in 2019, Cameron Monaghan in Gotham and now this guy? It's like DC and Warner Bros. forgot Batman has a rogues gallery of other villains they can use.*

As of a few years I thought a neat way to bring Dick into the world would be to have Haileys Circus actually be a training ground for Talon cadets. That way Dick not only has the acrobatics, but the embers of something darker. Batman finding and taking him would be what happens with Damien but he saves the kid before he becomes a full fledged Talon. That way he hasn’t killed anyone, and the reason his family was taken out can be the same. A bunch of gangsters wanting protection money, and then bam. So Bruce becomes Dicks light and on top of that. Bruce isn’t just trying to save Gotham from villains but villains from villains. You could start an arc for The Court of Owls and have it all be about Dick.

@@jaimeruiz7837 that's a real storyline in the comics. The circus is where they recruit children.

Would love to see Robert Pattinson batman adopt all 50 bat kids in one movie

seing as i THINK he is setting up court of owl, you cant really do that story (well) and accurately without dick grayson

New title: THE BATFAM

Reeves made it evident he's making a Batman centric universe rather than entire DC.

@@gabbar51ngh Which I’m fine with, lately it seems single isolated dc stories are better than combing them all into a big universe

dont forget twd games

There’s also the other end with Robin aswell. Leaving Batman shadows and trying to find his own identity is a pretty good story arc that dick Grayson generally pulls off really well. You also have Jason Todd which grounds the story and Batman who’s really interesting both fighting and conflicting with dicks Robin legacy but also when he dies and how Batman reacts to this and how it affects Tim drake. I’m not gonna get into damian or Steph because I don’t read much of their comics but yeah they exist.

@@GingeryGinger Damian can show bruces efforts of trying to actually deal with a Robin whose darker than him while bruce is against killing now he has his sidekick whose supposed to bring the best out of him attempting to kill so now it's less about bruce needing a robin to grow and robin needing bruce to grow, and in the case of steph her time as robin isnt neccesary to any story she was cast aside after breaking one of bruces rules her time as robin was just her in the place of tim when his own real father kept him from being robin

Mandalorian even

Arguably one of the best Superhero movies, Logan, also uses the “getting a kid” trope to great effect.

Can't be said enough.

Exactly 🙌🏽

Still waiting for my broom boy trilogy.

Who the hell is Broom boy?

@@comixproviderftw_02 the kid with the broom at the end of Star Wars Episode 8. The fan base flew a bitch fit over him because most of the older ones thought he was setting up the Rian Johnson trilogy.

I agree. To add on, I felt myself most connected and understood by Robin’s character.

Felt these comments so deeply. As a kid robin was the one who always stuck out to me in all the shows, I loved batman but it wasnt until I watched justice league as a kid I started to appreciate him

I guess the push worked. So many videos say, "I don't know why they push for kid sidekicks. I wanted to be batman, never robin" but historically appealing to the younger self insert has always worked no matter what the detractors say. People forget that Scrappy Doo saved Scooby-Doo

Same for me, i'm always gonna be Dick Grayson a.k.a the 1st Robin fan,

My little brother was Batman and I was robin and we would go on adventures like in our little bat mobile

I would love this...which Robin would you use though?

@@charlesmassey3645 dick grayson

Dick Grayson for sure his optimism would contrast Bruce’s brooding cynicism and would help bring him to the path of caring for others and fighting crime to protect his loved ones

The dr Watson approach!

That would suck

Unfortunately the worst option to introduce a Robin.

Damian doesn't exist in my Canon. That whole concept is trash. "The bat family" concept is trash. Cheesy and goofy. Takes away from the realistic elements. The best batman stories are when it's just batman. No sidekicks.

At this point we got... Batman Robin Red Robin Nightwing Red hood Batgirl A black Batman? Oh and they all know Bruce is Batman lol. It's like the avengers

@@timsimpson3804 but there are stories from the comics about the Bat family that are actually good thou

@@timsimpson3804 why the fuck would you want batman to be realistic though??? You can get grounded without going realistic.

@@timsimpson3804 You realize the dark knight returns had a robin right. She played a huge role in the story and it’s literally a top 3 Batman book.

THIS!

I mean, to be fair, Spider-man is extremely physically strong compared to most of the people on Captain America's side. But yeah, that was fucked up

super

powers

Spider-Man was already established before Stark found him, Stark merely gave him a new suit.

The Arkham games are over-the-top full-on superhero games tho, The Batman is in an ultra realistic universe. They aren't comparable, Batman can be a dark and brooding loner even WITH the Batfamily and he can be the opposite without them. In the Whedon cut of JL Batman is more optimistic and lighthearted basically being the DCEU version of Tony Stark and is a team player. All that despite not having any sidekicks.

Agreed. For me, one of the best parts of Batman is watching Bruce grow. Imagine getting to see this Batman grapple with what happened to Jason. Or seeing his redemption when he begins training Tim.

I've been waiting for a Nightwing movie since I was a 3rd grader.

It starting to look bright with one character who in the comics is one of Bruce's sidekicks already in the DCEU (being Cassandra Cain) and a batgirl movie coming soon (idk if it suppose to be in the DCEU it looks like we're finally getting the batman sidekicks though all we need is a new Robin for the DCEU

Hollywood just has this weird infatuation with all things grim and gritty outside of the MCU. Everything seems to need a dark undertone in order to keep people invested, and so Hollywood thinks that putting an emphasis on that will make Batman more appealing. But like you said, normie movie goers who hate Robin and his other sidekicks are missing a big part of what makes Bruce human. The writers of DC cartoons like the Timmverse Batman seem to know this better than any Hollywood executive seems to.

and i hope that when we do, we also get Cassie and Steph. They've both been in comics for a good while, and they've hardly even been in the ANIMATED movies/tv shows...

Hopefully without her randomly shagging Batman. Seriously, what were the people behind Batman The Killing Joke even thinking?

the titans show kinda did that and i think they did a decent job of making the robins more dark

Exactly

Exactly, and that would also solve the "Robin is too silly for the big screen/Robin isn't badass" problematic, start him as a troubled kid who's almost Damian Wayne-like psychopathic in his hyper-brutality, to a point where even Batman goes "woah slow down here buddy" and you'll get a Robin that the general public will like, him being a kid will just juxtapose with that imagery perfectly, having a 13 year old break bones with a sadistic smiles. Borrow from that scene from Under The Red Hood where Batman is actively telling Jason Todd that this isn't right and he needs to calm the fuck down and voilà. Suddenly it's not about Bruce Wayne training little minions to fight his war, it's about him tempering little demons and training them to be decent people.

@@groovemoustache yup, he’s a more then salvageable character but it’s going to take a director willing to stick his neck out a little bit.

@@groovemoustache Couldn't have said it better.

Jason Todd?

If they introduce him as Robin in one of the movies they could follow up with a Nightwing spinoff series!

@@zenonceballossineriz5032 and once he’s nightwing we’re gonna need a new robin so we could get a good red hood

@@weezerfan7621 i dont want Jason todd i want Dick Grayson. He is the best Robin

@@bouya642 I want both ngl

@Knox2Don Superman & Lois is a good show. Man of Steel is a good Superman movie. But to be honest we need Robin in the Batman sequels. Robin "Dick grayson" the original Robin and the best Robin. The Original Dynamic duo.

that's actually a pretty sick idea dude

And I could play as dick Grayson

@mp mp god that’s a terrible idea😂 totally takes away from Dick Grayson’s character. That’s like taking away Bruce’s parents being murdered. It’s just too different.

Soooo basically 'your' idea is pretty much the actual canon origin in the comics.

@@vladv5126 idk probably I’ve never really read the comics

thats the equivalent of saying that ashoka is the next jar jar, yeah she was kinda anoying at first but just like robin she grew up and became his own develop character outside of the main hero, just like knightwing. People just call jar jar a character that find anoying, and now i finding out now people are calling omega from the bad batch when in reality she is just a girl that spent most of her life thinking of the greatness of exploring the galaxy until reality slap her in the face and show how things. People hate character grow. Thats why the worst character are the ones that never grow like AJ soprano or jubilee from x-men or even jason todd in his prime before he was red hood.

#justiceforjarjar mee-sa love a goofy character in a movie about space wizards intended for children.

I heard that and I was like “WOW… The disrespect was real back then.”

Jar jar binks had so much potential if George didn't make him a minstrel caricature In episode 1 he could've been the master mind behind the sith

@@motor4X4kombat Omega* not Nebula, but point taken

I was looking for this comment. And yeah that is the right way they should be introduced

Yep

bob kane made a character called batman, but bill finger made batman

*It's actually amazing to me how we almost never get Robin even though he's an integral part of Batman's mythos but, everywhere you turn, Joker is being shoved down your throats. I'm tired of seeing the Joker all the time. Ledger in 2008, Leto in 2016, Phoenix in 2019, Cameron Monaghan in Gotham and now this guy? It's like DC and Warner Bros. forgot Batman has a rogues gallery of other villains they can use.*

@@starhunter9085 Agreed Joker is far less important to the Bat Mythos then Robine. People say Batman and Joker can only exist with each other, but that only applies to one. And its not Batman

My thoughts exactly.

Oooh. I like that! Robin could be a precocious teen who understands the internet better than old-school Batman. They could do so many cool stories with that and not venture into "Hit-Girl" territory.

*"...Or if we do start out with a kid Robin, just have him be Batman's guy in the chair.."* so sooo sorry for this but Oracle: am I a joke to you?

@@Voltan Yeah I sincerely doubt we are gonna see Oracle anytime in the movies. She does give valuable representation as a wheelchairbound superhero, but the way she got paralyzed is... Controversial to say the least. She was shot and sexually assaulted by the Joker, just to hurt her father. Like how would you even start adapting that? Change it too much and you get angry fanboys, make it too much like the comics and it is beyond creepy at how disposable they treat her as by making her a macguffin to spur the angry men in her life into action. With Oracle it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of scenario, and it will be a good while before we see Oracle in the movies in any form. So the guy in the chair role for the moment is still up for grabs xP

I would defiantly like it if in The Batman 2 Bruce Wayne adopts a young boy (it could be Dick Greyson or the Mayor’s kid) and spends the movie learning to treat him like a son. Then in the next movie when the kid is more grown up he can become Robin. This way we still get the father-son dynamic without Batman breaking child endangerment laws.

It could happen. They are using the Court of Owls in the Gotham Knights game.

would be cool, but a lot of the first movie adopted different ideas from the court of owls

@@richardbolas Not exactly, they could just say that Falcone was working for the Court, and after Batman found out about him he became the Court's main target

@@richardbolas they used the orphanage thing sure but I can't think of anything else really? And even tho they did use that it could be a plot point again (tho I suppose it would be a little samey so maybe for a third movie?)

@@leonardosanchez410 *spoilers!* I mean they wouldn't really have to do even that, since riddler kills him pretty much hours from batman finding out so they could just say he was working for the owls

me too

Maybe he should be renamed Rick. Why is Dick nickname for Richard anyway?

That actually happened in the Nightwing comics, he lost his memories and couldn’t identify with the person everyone knew as Dick, so he went by Ric. After he regained his memories, he went back to using Dick.

@@sarasamaletdin4574 You’re not fooling anyone, Dan Didio. We all know it’s really you.

Then call him by his real name.

I know that there's many shows feat. Robin now but years back I actually had an idea for a new tv series called Grayson... It was going to be almost like the tv series called Gothan but Feature Dick Grayson. The story idea I wrote was of a young Dick Grayson and how he felt after losing his parents at the carnival. He wants revenge and is full of so much anger but Bruce Wayne tout him how to channel that anger and use it for something good also Dick would under go so much anxiety that's never been explored in the comics, more so than Bruce had to deal with, in this series it would explore him not knowing that Bruce is BatMan, doing detective work to try to solve his Parents murder, getting into trouble at school by fighting against bullies calling him rich kid and that he's only rich because his mommy and daddy is gone and bruce get's called, he wonders why he never sees bruce as much but Alfred is like a second father to him and bruce at the start is like a big brother to him. In this series I was going to let Robin not be looked at as any side kick but be his own hero, make his own decisions, fight and solve his own crimes while at the same time getting schooled a little by Bruce and Alfred. He soon developes his own suit and mask that looks simmilar to the robin suit and is called wonder boy in the Gotham news papers, yet again Wonder Boy strikes putting fear in the eyes of Gotham criminals.

Absolutely - and I don't want robin to be the mayor's kid. With the huge theme of economic inequality that drives the tensions in the new movie, I feel like our Robin would need to come from a disenfranchised background to challenge Wayne's assumptions, the way Catwoman starts to do in the movie. In fact, I think I'd rather him be the kid who was about to be pledged into a gang in the movie's opening, or someone similar - making the whole thing more of a story of two people healing and reforming together by supporting each other.

@@maximeteppe7627 If you're referring to the actor from that fight in the subway he's already playing Tim Drake in the Titans show (it's not that good).. And I think you mean Catwoman. But I agree nonetheless, Dick Grayson needs to be someone new.

Dick Grayson as an origin story. You don’t have to change it at all.

@@maximeteppe7627 if you want a story that is about socioeconomic differences, then all you have to do is tell the story that already exists. A kid that grew up moving from place to place with a family of circus performers, which is a hard life to live, mentored by a guy who has never had to want for anything. You don’t have to reinvent it with gang initiations.

@@MrAdamloring1985 absolutely. it was just a reaction to the possibility that the corrupt mayor's son becomes robin. if it had to be a kid we already saw, I'd rather gave the one furthest from bruce's socioeconomic class. but robin doesn't have to be a delinquant to make him work in this version of the batman.

So you're saying no green speedo?

@@tonypalazzolo6552 Robert pattison wants a 13 year old to play him and they could give him green baggy military pants

@@johnlawful2272 omg green baggy pants would be perfect

@@johnlawful2272 Just put him in black like Batman.

@@hal7741 with boots too

It was from the original creator, not Patrick.

Indeed. Having Robin starting out as a vigilante with his own revenge arc is a very good and potentially rewarding alternative. With Bruce being forced to mature both as a person and as a crime fighter with a young protegé. It would also allow him to have actual conversations solving the mysteries, so that we can move away from the frankly rather embarrassing "gritty Rorschach voiceover" in the newest movie.

@@MariaVosa They'd likely have to make that Vengeful Robin, Jason Todd as a pose to Dick Grayson. For reference while Dick is traditionally the first Robin and he goes on to become Nightwing he is ALWAYS the hopeful non Vengeful guy. He's much more like his "uncle" (Superman) then he is like Batman. He's basically what would happen if you combined Bats and Spiderman into one character. Jason on the other hand goes on to become DC's version of the Punisher (Red hood). He starts off as a vengeful teen who tries to steal the tyres off of the Batmobile and ends up becoming Robin. His Vengeful ways are slowly being put behind him but then the Joker Beats him down with a crowbar and blows him up. When he comes back to life he's an absolute savage who kills criminals on site. If they wanted to do a Robin arc in these films the Jason would be the way to go.

@@himum3429 I know the lore. But while Jason was angrier, Dick had his dark and angry sides too. Since Grayson is the original sidekick I would hate to see them sidestep him. I always liked him the best

@@himum3429 Well that would be the character arc; Dick starts off directionless and angry, and through working with Batman is able to direct that desire for vengeance toward something more constructive, and he becomes more like the Dick Grayson we all know. That way, if they later do Jason Todd, it'll serve as an effective contrast; where Dick was able to grow, Jason isn't.

@@SonofSethoitae ppl forget you can do time skips, the second movie can set up Dick Grayson Robin & let’s say he’s 15 so time skip three years to the third movie & he’s already out on his own as nightwing. So the third movie can be about Jason Todd & do the death in the family & red hood storyline since they already (spoilers) set up joker here. Idk if it would work entirely but I’m going under the assumption it’s only gonna be a trilogy & it’s not connected to anything else since that’s what been said. Maybe there could be more movies but I think if they did something similar to that it could be pretty good.

Hes so good in og teen titans

@@remingtonpenaranda7762 Don't forget Young Justice

@@whysosnappy8016 hell yeah one of the best

I had my own one as well. As a child, I had always liked Robin, but always preferred Batman. Granted, I always preferred Batman with Robin as opposed to on his own. When the Teen Titand cartoon released, I grew to appreciate Robin more as his own character. I thought the Nightwing persona was cool, so I decided to take a look into the comic book lore. Dick Grayson helped me grow up. He made me realise that it offered me new opportunities and that people would start seeing me in a different way. He has actually dethroned Batman as my favourite DC character.

Robin is not just one of the best dc characters but comic book characters of all time but in live action they haven't done him properly yk... and I feel like almost everyone likes robin when he is cool 😃👍

Me too.

I know that there's many shows feat. Robin now but years back I actually had an idea for a new tv series called Grayson... It was going to be almost like the tv series called Gothan but Feature Dick Grayson. The story idea I wrote was of a young Dick Grayson and how he felt after losing his parents at the carnival. He wants revenge and is full of so much anger but Bruce Wayne tout him how to channel that anger and use it for something good also Dick would under go so much anxiety that's never been explored in the comics, more so than Bruce had to deal with, in this series it would explore him not knowing that Bruce is BatMan, doing detective work to try to solve his Parents murder, getting into trouble at school by fighting against bullies calling him rich kid and that he's only rich because his mommy and daddy is gone and bruce get's called, he wonders why he never sees bruce as much but Alfred is like a second father to him and bruce at the start is like a big brother to him. In this series I was going to let Robin not be looked at as any side kick but be his own hero, make his own decisions, fight and solve his own crimes while at the same time getting schooled a little by Bruce and Alfred. He soon developes his own suit and mask that looks simmilar to the robin suit and is called wonder boy in the Gotham news papers, yet again Wonder Boy strikes putting fear in the eyes of Gotham criminals.

Sad but true, the Teen Titans Go! movie even went to theaters when the original Teen Titans show only got a made for TV movie

Are you aware of Titans on HBO MAx?

@@haileyshannon7548 Yes I am aware but it isn't a Robin origin series

A farm boy from kansas who becomes a newspaper reporter and has trouble with making friends and pursuing romances? That's just too unrelatable! I prefer the masked genius with a multibillion dollar arsenal of sci fi weapons and dead parents! That guy is just like me! /s

@@galactic85 no you dont get it, his gloomy trauma from his parents death is just like my incel rage from how my crush rejected me in high school

​​@@galactic85 That newspaper boy is also a man that can lift up boulders, shoot lasers out his eyes, fly faster than any jet, and beef with earth destroying aliens. People relate to Superman and Batman just because their hardships and ideals not because of their lifestyles and capabilities 🤷🏿

eu acho que a melhor solução para isso seria fazer robin querer de qualquer forma lutar contra o crime, ter raiva e um senso de fazer justiça muito forte -- basicamente: se ele vai fazer isso de qualquer jeito, então o bruce pelo menos vai o preparar para diminuir os danos

@@nicke5855 that’s basically dick graysons (and all the other robins) story- batman never forced the robins to fight crime, and occasionally tried to stop them when things went too far (like when two face almost killed dick)

@mp mp I disagree on that. I don't like it when the heroes origin has some sort of big conspiracy behind it. Joe, chill should not become the joker. Robin should not have been a talon in training. Uncle Ben should not be killed by the sandman.

Damn steve still is alive totally forgot about mr Block

@@AustynSN What was wrong with Sandman randomly killing Uncle Ben back when he was just Flint Marco? It was only done to reinforce the revenge themes of the movie & wasn't even a conspiracy. Just a random criminal being established as having actually done it & if you think that's bad you haven't seen the Uncle Ben deaths that actually were plotted rather than random acts of violence. Spider Noir gets bonus points for how his Uncle died in the comics.

@@WaterKirby1994 I'll tell you what's wrong with Sandman killing Uncle Ben. It makes Peter NOT responsible for Ben's death because the guy he thought was the shooter didn't actually shoot him. It makes the police look stupid for not telling Peter or Aunt May who the real killer is on that very night and instead, waited till Sandman escaped from prison to open their mouths. The whole "great power comes great responsibility" message gets lost now that Peter knows that he didn't cause Uncle Ben's death like he thought.

@@loudboy317 To be fair the partner coming with the money made Flint's finger slip & he confessed to the killing in Prison years later. Had Peter stopped the thief, Uncle Ben would have talked Flint down successfully so he could have still prevented his uncle's death. You probably let your distaste for the movie prevent you from picking up on that stuff.

Yeah, I think this is the way to do it. Have Robin independently try to become his own vigilante inspired by Batman, which he discovers and tries to shut down at first. But when the kid doesn't stop, and Bruce finds out how he lost his family, he takes him in. Both to try guide him to be better, to ensure that he isn't inspiring another Riddler, and to make sure the kid doesn't get himself killed out there.

@@DannehBoyNz Ooo I like this.

That's exactly how it should be done. Just do it with Dick Grayson trying to bring Zucco to justice like in "Dark Victory" & B:TAS - "Robin's Reckoning". But then an undercurrent of their partnership would be Batman bonding with him in a father-son dynamic.

@@Batman88878 Yes this is exactly my thinking as well. It would work so well to introduce a more Dark Victory or the animated series inspired version of Robin. I used to hate Robin as a character when I was a teenager but now as an adult I like him a lot. Like stated in the video and comments, he works as an anchor for Bruce, especially during his early years when he's full of anger and hate, trying to craft himself and the Batman identity further. And with the added detail of Dick possibly being inspired by Batman after the loss of his family, Bruce doesn't try to encourage it but has to eventually relent when Dick wants to go out there and try to avenge his family. I could work so well with Battisonverse. I just want a live action 10 year old Robin!

That was my thinking as well, but a little Jason Todd edge on it, have Batman show up to vigilante crime scenes where the kid clearly almost died and people got hurt, even though he has good intentions, and then have Batman finally decided nothing will stop this kid and he has to adopt him or he’ll die.

yeah the John Blake thing has aged TERRIBLY

The real reason the Nolan movies never tried to use Robin was because Christian Bale hated the Robin character and said he wouldn't continue if they ever tried introducing any kind of Robin.

@@ShadowSonic2 didn’t the video itself say that that quote was fake…?

@@liammclin5722 Well, maybe not those EXACT words but still...

It's a shame there was a stigma or whatever against it. I mean Batman begins AND The Dark Knight both gave plenty of screen time as if that was where it might be headed, but then we got John Blake and I mean I kinda hoped someone had taken over the sequel mantle. These days even in say if it was released 2015-2016 no idea what murder someone might've did to what Nolan was doing so glad it didn't happen.

Yes. Also, I just really want to imagine Bruce in a PTA meeting.

This might be controversial, but I think Jason Todd would be the best Robin to start with Battinson. I just feel like his story just jives more with this version of Batman, and seeing as Battinson is the live-action Batman with the most anger issues, I think seeing that anger reflected in Jason might make him reconsider a lot of how he's doing things as he lectures Jason about his own anger issues. Also since Jason has a lot more ties to Gotham than Dick does, and also how close to Gotham Battinson is, forcing him to confront those aspects of Gotham that Jason comes from would be really interesting imo. I do love Dick tho! And honestly I'd be hyped if they included any Robin

Nah I’m sorry but that is a terrible idea. A 12 year old fighting crime is stupid unless he has powers like Spider-Man. But even Spider-Man isn’t 12 years old at least his I’m high school.

Agreed! I think a young Dick Grayson would be ideal because of the unique combination of the innocence of his youth and the darkness of his own tragedy. By having this young boy who was once so bright and cheerful be suddenly threatened to be consumed by same darkness that is eating away at Bruce is a great way to push Bruce out of his comfort zone so he finally open himself to others. Dick, shortly after the death of his parents, was pretty angry and took a while to adjust to being in Gotham; Bruce recognizing that piece of himself in Dick and trying to keep him from being swallowed by the darkness (and, in turn, being himself saved by the bond he forges with Dick as a result) would be a great way to end his character arc.

@@damiantirado9616 14 would be cool

I would love to finally see the Bat family in live action on the big screen it truly is long overdue, and we’ve waited 25 years (and counting) to see Batman and Robin once again

unfortunately i don't have much hope for seeing the whole bat family and if they do they'll fail, that could work in a TV series. Anyway i do have hope for producers taking a chance with Robin

I personally feel that Dick Grayson needs to be introduced in The Batman 2, because without Dick Grayson there’s no Jason Todd and both of these Robins are important to Batman moving in a happier direction