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"Why Are Klingon Battleships so Insane?" Bloodwine, SO MUCH Bloodwine.

Teenage mutant ninja Klingons, teenage mutant ninja Klingons, warriors in a half shell, qapla!

In case anyone's wondering, I made the 3D model of the Klingon B10 battleship used in the thumbnail of this video. I made it for ADB's Starfleet Battles and Federation Commander games back when I used to work for them.

The Klingons not having battleships is easily answered, it's because they are French and have proscribed to "Jeune Ecole". Followers of Drachinifel are probably chuckling now.

With the emphasis on personal honor and glory large numbers of smaller ships would increase the possibility of individuals gaining recognition. Smaller crews would make it easier for a young warrior to catch the notice of a senior officer.

When a KLINGON says "That's a bit excessive" That's when you know you have reached the point of overkill

The 2 bridges thing is actually a very common thing for large ships. All 4 Iowas had flag bridges per example. And in the Japanese fleet, the Captain used to go down with the ship, while the admiral transferred his flag to another ship. Also, Aircraft carriers usually have 3 bridges. One for the Admiral, one for ship operations and one for flight operations.

Over an hour long for this video. Neat to see SC.I here. And yeah, this video was a rollercoaster on the history of Klingon Battleships. More of these semi-casual collab videos would be neat to see. *Glory to you, and your house!*

How we got thru this entire episode and no one said the word: ‘KILI-CAMS’ is beyond me. 200,000 KILI-CAMS! 75,000 KILI-CAMS! 50,000 KILI-CAMS!

The Bismarcks were designed to go against other battleships, but yeah, the B10s are practically the Deutschlands and the Scharnhorsts to a extent.

"fly me closer i want to hit them with my Batleth" sounds like something a klingon would unironically say

I love how the B-10 just causes a small breakdown. Real-time update: the Shellback gets even worse.

Thanks to Science Insanity for joining me on this cursed journey. Make sure to check out his channel www.youtube.com/@scienceinsanity6927

We're not talking about the crazy Discovery Klingon ships...? GOOD- cuz throwing out all of the design lineage was actual insanity.

Holy shit, the Klingon navy is just the Victorian French Navy.

I always viewed Klingons as raiders, therfore they prefer fast maneuverable ships. I can see the the battleship being the flagship of a House leader. When a battleship shows up, as the core of a large fleet. When they show up, they are not intended to fight a fleet battle, but rather to dominate a defeated planet. Should a battleship and its fleet be engaged in space, they serve as a base of fire while its escorts maneuver around it. On can think of it as a damage sponge as its "escorts take pot shots at the attacking ships as it goes in for a shot. Armor adds mass, which requires more energy to accelerate. Shields does not add mass so shields allows the ship to bemore nimble. Of course, you have less power going to the engine since it is going to shields.

First five minutes: “Klingons and Romulans are NATURAL enemies! Like Klingons and Cardassians! Or Klingons and Humans! Or Klingons and OTHER Klingons! …Damn, Klingons, they RUINED Qo’noS!”

The main reason for the few battleships could be due to how they are structured. As a nobility based militia, the houses pay for the majority of the species military. Keeps taxes down, but each house would be hard pressed to pay for their own battleship for day to day purposes. The standing military that the government controls is also small, and need to focus on more ships for patrol and security, and battleships are a black hole for fundings. So when they get the itch to build one, it has to be good for long term use, and for the next few wars.

FUN FACT: A traditional ingredient used as a fining agent used in wine-making was ox blood, added as a liquid or powdered as the young wine settled after fermentation. Defibrinated ox blood contains 70 g/l active fining proteins and is used to reduce tannins in young reds. Typical dosages are 0.15-0.25 g/l for red wines. Preparation involves mixing the ox blood in cold water and leaving to swell (dissolution of albumins helped by adding potassium bicarbonate), then the blood mixture is added to the young red wine, stirred, and left to settle. Fining with blood is fairly rapid. Once it settles and clears, the fined wine at the top is poured off and the heavier elements at the bottom are discarded. This blood-fining process is banned now because of mad-cow disease. In my head cannon, the Klingons never had a problem like mad-cow disease (or never cared) and still continue the practice using whatever passes for grapes (or maybe grapes were a non-native species introduced to Qo'noS through trade?) and the blood of targs or something as the fining agent. Worf likes his wine "very young and very sweet", like a Moscato.

So dayum, a fellow Leaf and Venom doing a d e e p ol dive on Klingon Tech. I liked this, a lot. Its great to see a real shipbuilder's eye upon something as vast as klingon design philosophy. And I love it. Honestly, do more. Do one for every race!!!!!! MOAR!!!!!! (ps, Panic says Merci

Angry Klingons line up behind me

If only we could see Negh'Vars clashing against the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought. But that's why I love the Klingons, they love to make big and slow ships with lots of guns and torpedo tubes. But I really want to see a Klingon build a B-10 in the 24th century for the heck of it. Also the STD Sarcophagus Ship makes the B-10 look very beautiful.

17:20 I like to think the green paint is some sort of coating that aids teh cloaking device which is why Romulan ships are also green & why Klingon ships during TOS who don't have cloaks are not green

Having played a lot of Starfleet Battles, I was happy to see the B-10. 👍💪👊

What if all Klingon ships are an abstract representation of a Klingon Phallus with wings. This is now my head canon.

Loved this video and both your collaborations with Science Insanity!

I absolutely love it when channels with radically different content reference each other!! The fact that SC.I and Venom both know about the Animarchy and Drachinifel special makes me so happy!!!

2 of my favorite "small" ceators in 1 video..... good day!!

If @scienceinsanity6927 gets some angry Klingons rolling up he'll just have to make peace with the clans so they can show who's honor-bound warrior society is best. ( The Society of course ;) )

when you have a feudalistic society that prioritizes warrior macho nonsense, unsurprisingly this leads to a society that is weaker in terms of industrial capability, scientific advancement and engineering skill. Thus this leads to a society with limited capability to actually build larger more complex ships.

When considering the ships the Klingons used. don't forget the Klingon Empire also would use ships from their member worlds as well. Similar to the Federation. They uaed , Tellarite, Vulcan and others.

I watched with my dinner last night...why ? well i remember klingon battleships to be ugly and thought it be nice to see some art of them and your input. Well that was enjoyable and loved the lightheartness of it, maybe the most funny of the startrek videos I seen on youtube... so thank you for making my dinner a lovely time with many a smile on my face...

If you haven't already done one, I'd really like to see a video detailing the Klingon/Romulan collaboration ships during their brief alliance, and the ships that evolved from that.

in starfleet battles , most klingon ships had detachable booms much like the saucer section on federation ships. for the kligons its half life boat half half prison ship as the majority of their crews were made up of subject races they didn't trust and mutiny was always possible, the kiligon officers were based at the front of the ship. Starfeet battles is still the best star trek tabletop game out there

Since the 90s I've been waiting for a Star Trek that follows a star fleet officer who is serving on a Klingon vessel. It just seems like endless possibilities for great writing are on offer with that concept.

This video is as much fun to watch as the Klingon designs are insane: Very much!

"They massacred my boy", loved it.

1:04:00 The dual bridges for ship and fleet commanders is a real world separation as well. US Navy aircraft carriers have two bridges one level apart in the island. The Captain of the ship is on one, the navigation bridge, and the Task Force commander, an admiral, is on the flag bridge.

You overlook a very important job for the light disrupters. The captain used them to tell the rest of the ship what to fire out in case comms go down and the engineering crew have already boarded an enemy ship

Lack of economic capacity to build many of them Lack of technological development (propulsion in particular) to produce a ship that can fit into existing fleet formations

Showing up in the biggest ship around and winning isn't honorable! Showing up in the SMALLEST ship around and winning, now that's what gets you songs!

I knew you seemed familar science insanity...i saw one of your carrier videos...nice to see you again

Hey hey now I love me some Starfleet battles I spent hours and I mean hours playing Starfleet battles in the design shifts for that very same pain and paperwork game

Oh, the response to the B-10 was hilarious.

I'd say that another reason why certain designs stick around well past the point of diminishing returns is the accumulated glory of that class. The D7s and Bird of Prey have accumulated decades of glory and accolades - to suggest that they're no longer worthy would be dishonorable.

The reason for an overall preference for smaller ships like the Bird of Prey is simple: there is more room for individual glory that way. But when they go big, they _really_ go big.

That was a fascinating look into the world of Klingon starship design philosophy! Which, the fact that that sentence has a chance to exist I think is a really cool thing all by itself. :D Seeing the two of you talking like this about suck detailed intricacies of sci fi design makes me jealous; I design starships myself, and would love to have this kind of conversation about them with someone who thinks this way! I want to know if my starships are pretty cool, or absolutely awful and terrible. :P

Had to struggle thru this one Mike. Lots of good info here, no doubt. But this vid wasn’t what I expected from this channel. Stuff happens. I understand why you would do something like this. Keep up the work mate. I Love the channel. I send folks here every chance I get.

A note on Klingon ship colors. There was an idea for the game Klingon Academy (which was from the era of full motion video featuring real actors like Christopher Plummer as Chang, and David Warner as Chancellor Gorkon) was the game's premise around a Klingon Civil War to see who would be the next Chancellor (spoiler, Chang and Gorkon win with your help). The idea was to have a Green vs Gray faction warfare, like the American Civil War Blue vs Gray. The Greens would win. Unfortunately, the limits of computers at the time didn't allow for this, so they went with green for everything.

I absolutely love both of your channels. Especially his episode on the Nova class Battlestar..... Now that is a Battlestar, I don't believe that at least a few of them did survive the fall of the 12 Colonies and survive.

I can imagine when a Klingon adolescent fantasizes of having super powers. He is standing outside at the bow of a ship, swinging his bat'leth, deflecting phaser shots. He then goes on splitting hulls in twain as if he was an anime super samurai, maybe even jumping from ship to ship slicing them up as if they were fruit. He then jumps back on top of his ship while the rest of the crew cheers him on and he bellows a laugh that can be heard systems away. All this while he is fully exposed to vacuum as if it was nothing.

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form provided on this format and subject matter on the various different types of Klingon Battle ships and their firepower sheild strengths and enginepower and the various abilities and duties required of them according to their design specifications, Any ways a very great job well done by you guys indeed!👌.

Actually in SFB lore the Klingons DID build the B-10, several in fact (in various finished states).

The Empire goes through phases of having large lumbering battle wagons and smaller nimble strike craft depending on the state of the empire. Whether there's unity among the great houses or not or they are busy fighting among themselves.

The B-10 battleship is “Four D-7s in a trench coat”

So glad you collabed with science insanity! Great video. Do it again

The reason the negvar has 2 bridge, is so that when a mutiny occurs both sides have a base to fight from 😊

Am I the only one hoping they do more videos together? This is one great video.

"Experience ... Bij ..." -- But it's just a slide show detailing the entire history of Design Proposals, Design Changes, Funding Allocation Requests, and Project Oversight Notes for the B-10 project.

I laughed and laughed at the B-10 until the artwork of the B-10 came around at 31:58 That thing in most photos can be extremely derpy, but in the right angle in a scene, its downright terrifying.

I would consider the d6 amd d7/t K'tanga be light battle ships on cruiser bodies with battle ship fire power to match the fire power heavy consitution class also known to klingons as federation battle cruiser 2285

Some of those ships like the slow ship and the Fat boy were for planetary conquest , the belly mount heavy disruptor is for shooting the ground , the "step" is for troop deployment. The light disruptors are for AA defense , anti missile . Fat boy is a command ship with a detachable command post for setting up a fortress on a planet or it could drop off troops , evacuate Klingons, it would also likely be the ship hauling loot from battles.

The Proxima is glorious how dare you have at thee random guest HAVE AT THEE!!!

on the other hand the A.F.S. Khitomer Battlecruiser is a beautyful sight to behold.

Because Klingons love ships with more guns less size.

@8:35 - assuming two torpedoes with equal acceleration capabilities: the one with a higher launch speed will have a narrower cone of maneuverability (all places it could possibly steer to), but the target will likewise have a correspondingly smaller maneuvering area that it can reach before the torpedo arrives. If we assume torpedo and target are equally maneuverable, then a starship can eventually outmaneuver a slow-launched torpedo by forcing it to use all of its fuel turning to chase it. A torpedo fired with a higher speed can close the intercept before it runs out of fuel.

I always interpreted the two Neg'Var variants as Gowron's was a unique ship with the siege guns while the production model lacked them so no one would be able to challenge him.

In the Starfleet Battles universe, the B10 was built, and it got a few carrier and space control ship variants. The upgraded B11 however, was never built in this universe.

The Korvat looks to have the _proportions_ of a Starfleet Battles E-5 or F-6, upscaled and up-armed to battleship level.

Between DS9 and Disco, they’re at their most effective when they unleash swarms of raiders behind enemy lines to destroy infrastructure. Fleet engagements seem to stress envelopment attacks; smaller vessels that hit hard and move quick are incentivised.

I hope you both can make a similar video about federation ships.

The D10 separated reminds me of Starbug. Indeed it's almost what I'd expect an Earth warship to look like in the Red Dwarf universe.

Basically the klingons need Starfleet's corps of engenderers and general ship building doctrine in order to avoid building all of these insanely armed and overpowered ships and actually come up with success rate of reliably producing ships fit for combat and doing what they are expected to do.

About the torpedo: in real newtonian physics a torpedo, that can outrun and outaccelerate you will hit you. There are no "evasive maneuvers" in space. So shooting them in the direction of the target to close the gap faster is a fantastic idea.

1:02:25 “Why do you think a Klingon battleship needs multiple bridges?” Obviously, it’s so that if there’s ever a mutiny and the ship needs to separate into multiple hulls, both hulls have a command section to fight with.

Maybe the detachable part of the "Fatman" is perhaps a troop lander? In space, there would be no air resistance and no gravity around the ships, so size or shape would mean nothing to speed, i.e., the Borg ships.

The first few Klingon ships they showed look like a flying projects.

2 of my favorites working together ... now, if only the guy from the basement would come too.

the colab i never knew i wanted

15:15 Maybe it's stupid, but it's HONORABLE AND GLORIOUS!

"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my Bat'leth..." LMAO!

Ah the brotherhood bond is born. Let the galaxy burn

Your right, the B-10 comes from Steven V. Cole's Starfleet Battles. It was designed to be very large and very ridiculous and over the top. Mr. Cole said that the B-10 had a Klingon Polo field among its recreational facilities. In SFB's lore, 4 B10s were completed.

I think the Vor'cha is just crying at the corner for not getting any attention🥺 Well, at least the Klingon's try out different things, I'll give them that, nice video.☺

At the time of the first and last voyage of the Bismarck, she could be considered the mightiest battleship of the world. Yes, she knocked out her own radar and had a lot of other flaws, but that was not known to the allies at that time.

"if you are going slow this just sounds like a skill issue" 🤣

"gowron's special military operation"... my god XD

I absolutely love the Vor'cha class battle cruiser. Just something about the head of the ship, reminds me of the head of a soldier ant. Very insect like.

Can we just get more of this? On both channels? Venom will talk Star Trek and SC.I will get at Battletech and BSG. Perfect coop!

Those small disruptors are clearly Anti-pidgeon weapons, because if you're entering atmosphere to throw a dishonourable p'tahk overboard, you don't want any pidgeons to poop on your ship. That would dishonour the entire vessel.

to be fair about the danger of sympathetic detonation of torpedoes in a multishot launcher, if one goes of in the tube its not going to matter if it sets the others off, all that will do is make the expanding plasma cloud glow brighter

(Though ablative armor is different from reactive armor: Reactive makes a counter-explosion to dissipate the force away, ablative just burns itself up or otherwise is sacrificial as described.)

please do more of these

The Fat Man's belly - I'm imagining it as a 'orbital drop fortress'. When fighting on planetary surfaces, Klingons can't be arsed actually digging in and fortifying and suchlike when they could be running screaming at the enemy with a bat'leth, so some engineer came up with the brilliant idea to carry a fortress WITH them to their most important planetary assault, and just... drop it on a tactically-relevant location! Give it some engineering ability to unbury itself and some engines to fly back to orbit, along with shielding and weaponry, and it can both act as a potent ground installation and an effective addition to the Fat Man's weaponry arcs and redundant shields, at the 'minor' cost of slowing the Fat Man from its already-inadequate slow shuffle to the crawl of a soldier with three limbs blown off and high on copious amounts of painkillers!

Heh, the Klingons could have chosen to group up those "bricks" into flotillas of 5 to 10 ships of the same class; that way the captains could not outrun the brick since they would also be flying one.

I was under the impression there were 4 B10's in service; Insatiable, Invincible, Inviolable, Invulnerable

The bird of prey, ugly? What? No! It’s the nicest ship out there.

Klingon ships are small with lots of guns because they find it difficult to recruit people for dedicated noncombat roles. Hence they heavily invest in simple low tech low maintenance infrastructure so their ships can deal with the lower crew on average.

Cheers, gents..