Why are Players Botting on Their MAXED Accounts 

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My conspiracy theory; I still believe SirPugger is the biggest bot farm owner, and he is enjoying taking out all the competition he gets from tipoffs.

At 6:10 for the newspapers, it's not a bot just designed to acquire play time, there's always a monetary purpose for it. I'm part of the osrs collections community and this is a tradeable non-ge item, so the right buyer might pay 500-1k+ per unit. You can find the community in the 'all bulks' fc in game if anyone is interested in collections/bulk supplies.

The newspaper bot probably sells the collection of news papers for a really sick profit because collectors will pay good money for huge stacks of items you can't buy at GE

Jagex will happily pema ban accounts that were hijacked and deny the appeal yet these people walk freely and openly its honestly disgusting

The bot problem is way out of control these days. I've seen bots with 200mil xp, an bots with 50k+ vorkath kills. You'd think they would know they are a bot by then. Their detecting system is complete trash.

The newspaper bots actually make sense to me. An item that's annoying to buy, is tradable but not on the GE can equal big money; at some point there will be some odd collector that will want to just buy stacks of the item.

The newest old school RuneScape skill should be Bot-Busting

"So i messaged the anti-cheating team" has gotten a whole different meaning lately

This is why i always end up quitting. Doing 50-100kc of a boss, running past bots the whole time knowing they arent wasting their valuable life doing this makes me feel stupid for playing.

Nice to see someone is doing tridents job

For the priest in peril quest bots, they then go to Canafis rooftop agility course. As I was getting my outfit I would always see 5-6 on any world I was on doing the course.

I've also seen these Vetion bots. They all wear what is shown in the video, adamant kiteshield, Vigorra's chainmace, monk's robes, etc. They never get hit by vetion so they're not in combat and can log out instantly. If you can find them, you can hop to them to crash kills for really fast vetion KC!

The Carlyle Group doesn’t care about us, bots, or whatever. They see “number go up.” By the time the numbers are low enough for them to care, it’ll already be much too late.

I started playing OSRS 2 months ago as a group Ironman. I came over from RS3 having maxed Ironman mode there. I find it extremely crazy the amount of bots I run into in OSRS in comparison to RS3. OSRS in my opinion needs a better bot busting system.

jagex's bot busting system looks for similarities in skills and actions. its not often a max level account bots so the odds of it getting banned are probably a lot lower

I remember for ranging guild bots you could lure the archer guard guys down near the targets and the bots would occasionally attack the guards, then the guards autoretal to kill them

Honestly i think for most bots that are just people using for personal use they'll look the other way, it'd cost them a lot of money banning everyone and I think a significant percentage of the player base bots, more than we realize. They really only ban bots if it's obvious gold farming and rwt

Interesting that you talked at the end about the bots doing priest in peril quest, and probably be used for Canifis rooftop later, because I seen some on both w441 and w449 just yesterday 😮🤔🤔

Why doesn't Jagex just do manual checks on the top 100 kc for all the bosses in the game? It cannot be that hard. If they wasted resources checking Oda's account shit from 2 years ago surely they could spend the resources to get actual bots banned. Imagine if the anti-cheating team took pride in what they did. They could go around and do exactly what you do and just look into tips. The game could be that much better because of them but nooooo, have to let the auto detect try and do it all. Which clearly isnt doing enough.

Newspaper is a tradeable item, so there’s gotta be some dork collectors out there buying huge stacks of them just like burnt or spoiled food

Perhaps Jagex should start an item ID system and when they ban a bot they also delete all the items that bot has created. I hate the thought of there being massive amounts of botted items in the economy reducing the value of what actual players create. Just banning a bot is clearly not sufficient because the botter can just make another one. This new system would greatly increase the value of issuing bans which take valuable manpower and resources to issue.

Collectors that buy obscure items is a great way for a bot to get playtime while also making pretty good money.

Lots of players nowadays are maxed because of account service discord servers,wouldn't surprise me if they would buy private scripts for skilling as well

Hey, I saw (Ironman) On GD on W361 within the last week. Thanks for sending in the clip to Sir Pugger. A noble deed. Good work, gentlemen.

Thank you that you are doing this! :)

bro leave my bots alone

I won’t be surprised in the next few years if Jagexs approach to kill off bots is to just start selling their own botting software that gives you reduced xp rates

The bots buying newspapers could be mulling to a main who sells them to other players. People collect items that are tradable but not sold on the GE and sometimes pay a lot for them could easily turn 50 gp into anywhere from 750-2k per item. But they were probably also trying to get play time aswel.

Without bots the player count would drop significantly

In all seriousness, their is maybe 30% of the player base that still cares about the game and the day to day grind. Most people who max don’t play the game to do anything other than afk or do a few boss runs. People aren’t attached to the game to really play it. Even sir pugger doesn’t have a maxed main… the content creators only play the game for incentives not because it’s actually a good game anymore.

Pugger is basically the OSRS detective, hahaha

swear I saw a couple more of those Vet'ion bots recently. Didn't think much of it but you showing them log out instantly reminded me I have seen that a couple times this past week

I'll be honest with you, many maxed capes in runescape are botted. I've been in many runescape discords where people openly admit to botting their maxed accounts. Meanwhile, I know many real players who have been banned for non game-breaking reasons, like 3rd party auotypers or trading with friends after a RWT warning. Honestly, bots are all runescape has left. Many of the real players moved on because jagex has failed miserably to reverse unfair bans unless that person is Odablock. At this point I think to get all the real players back, runescape would have to have another server reset. It has gotten out of control at this point, most max capes are botted while so many real players I know have quit due to Jagex's failed bot detection system or anti-cheat system screwing them over. Realistically speaking, a real player would never rebuild after being unfairly banned because who is to say it won't happen again? meanwhile, a botter will just bot a new account no problem. And that's why I say all we have are bots left, unfair bans effect whole friend groups not just the person with the account. I've seen whole clans go under over a few key players getting banned for shit reasons.. At this point tho, it's just not my problem anymore. Best of luck to Scapers who still play but to the rest of us, it was fun while it lasted!

It blows my mind that someone from Jagex won’t just login, hop around a couple of worlds at popular bot spots, and ban away…

If you hop worlds for like 2 minutes in Edgeville bank, you're going to see A LOT of rc bots with almost identical stats, most of them have like low levels but have 50m or more exp in rc. I even saw one with 120m exp in rc.

The other side of these bot farms is the fact of how many people buy their GP in OSRS

There are bots at Undead Druids that are doing the same thing the F2p mining bots are doing. They log in, hit one druid, scan for a player, say something like "f*** off" or "cmon" then hop.

The runecrafting botters are using a very simple auto clicker. There are no variables in the whole process.Banking at the crafting guild works because you teleport to the exact same spot every time. Same with teleporting to your house, then using the fairy ring, and then the short cuts. You walk the exact same path each time, so the screen remains fixed in one location, with the specific timed intervals between each click, rinse and repeat. Crafting guild bank combined with fairy ring in house can provide a multitude of methods for this simple style of botting, which can go undetected for a long time, provided you're smart about how often you do it. I did 99 fishing through karambwans this way, as well as 99 runecrafting through nature runes. Also some other skills like construction, prayer, cooking, smithing through blast furnace, agility

It's weird y'all don't know this. But I'll say. I was a botter. I made a few grand back in the day. A "maxed account" farming is just good cloaking. For some reason people don't know how good bots are. I had bots that would do every quest. Some bots were so advanced they would auto level the stats required for those quests. So my method for making cash at the time were those black drags in that purple area where you climb down with a rope. (It's been years lol) But basically having a full build kinda account would be less suspicious and take longer to get banned. So you just set the account to make money profiting each skill one by one. And then if it gets to max you park it at drags until it gets banned. And while that account is going for maxed it's making profit off of wood or runes or herbs or slayer. Whatever it's doing. People don't realise how little each account means. They mean nothing. And I was a tiny tiny botter in a sea of big fish. And I had 20 running at once. There were guys running waaaaaaay more than 20 lol. I was running those 20 while playing wow or league on the side. One gets banned I just make a new one. And they even sell prebotted mid accounts for a few dollars. Even still I'd just make a few hundred mid accounts from scratch and just keep them on reserve everytime one biggie got banned. It was just running 20 accounts all of them with the goal of farming drags until they got there. And there were several times I had all 20 accounts at maxed for long periods. Never once was I "mass banned" or even had more than three or four banned in one go. It's all bullshit. Bots cannot be stopped. They are way more advanced than you think and they are way cheaper than you think. AND a two year old could get them running. They sell scripts for dummies. Literally just pay and click start. I believe the RFD barrows gloves full quest complete was like 75 dollars. This was...... Almost 10 years ago? I dunno what time is. I'm old. And have a real job 😂. But imagine how cheap a script is now. And everytime something starts getting people banned the scripts get reviewed and then updated. It's literally like yelp. Four or five bad reviews and no one will buy that script again. I have no doubt the scripts are so good by now that you couldn't even tell. You could probably add them and have a convo with them for weeks. All the while it's a chat gpt incl bot.

if it means gold becomes cheaper and items become cheaper then why not. I havent played in ages and dont think the numbers of RS is going up, if the bot farms were killed I feel like everything would skyrocket

Hold on, they never said they were banned? We’re the max mains banned??? It doesn’t sound like they were banned.

These are actually usually purchased accounts. I've met a few max cape holders that seemed clueless about game mechanics, like claiming they don't know where fire giants are in catacombs of kourend with 130 skotizo kills. I thought they were trolling at first, but I've run into it so many times it's unbelievable.

I mean, you know, it’s also possible that these people get their accounts hacked, and then they’re turned into bot accounts

The newspaper bots may be selling them to a collector, or just run by a collector. Newspapers can be traded player to player I believe but cannot be traded on the GE.

the thing with vettion is that if you dont get hit by any of his lightning or shadow attacks you can log out while attacking him because you havnt really been attacked therefore your not in combat the only time you cant avoid the combat loggout is when his dogs come out and actually melee you

rimmington mining bots do the weird auto chat thing sometimes too

This is why I'm an ironman, bots break the economy and its getting worse

You don’t max an account out then bot. The accounts have been going undetected for probably years. They’ve just been caught

Wow hi I love your content! Hope you see this!

I saw the bot that repeats all the curses and "Ffs really" at the GE, no clue why it was a thing, just sat there and spammed the same string of curses

What I have learned from your videos is, bots tend to have Obsidian gear a lot. I saw someone in almost full Obsidian armor and the 3-tick sword, killing seagulls. His only stats were Defense and HP. Everything else was 1. Didn't say a thing. Port Sarim.

Just the motivation I needed to do a whole bunch of inefficient OG mind runecrafting.

I used to break rock crab bots back in the day with a cannon and unicorn. Got mills and mills. All the rich noobs went to the side with hobgoblins so it was even easier that way.

Imagine how good loot would be if bots weren't flooding the market with supply

Newspaper bot farm is probably selling news paper to collectors of non grand exchange items. FlippingOldschool just made a bit talking about the market for things like newspaper for couple k each

I can tell you this, I used to bot the ranging guild in rs2. This was during the time you could run a bot 24h with no problems

Also, nobody cares enough to report in F2P worlds, they're either casually playing because they can't play in Members world or they're roleplaying with each other at grand exchange. Easy for botters to just bot. Literally bots every grid on the game.

Pugger I have a challenge for ya! I too, am not a good pker. I did build an *almost* maxed 1 def 60 att pure though, just to kill bots and pvmers for fun. There's two bot farms at revs and it took me DAYS to finally figure out the most effective ways to kill them(which actually included breaking 60 att) Their bot script auto teles, pray flicks, and insta logs FAST. There's a mid level 60's farm in red d hide at pyrefiends next to dark beasts in 29 wild, and mid level 80's directly north at demons/cyclops. All skulled. Challenge is, see how long it takes you to find a good method( they can tank too) AND you're not allowed to risk more than 2m. Protect item allowed. No claws, ags, or voidwaker.

I just maxed an account from level 3 to Max in just 4 months, they even have a bot that does all quests in the game. Uses human mouse movement so undetectable.

The fliers have value on the burnt food maket where usless items are bought for quite a fair bit of money, all for the sake of collecting

It blows me away that this goes undetected for so long by Jagex. You still can find flax lumby runners with 99 crafting in many worlds. But yet, lets ban the one or two ironmen that auto click ardy knights for a few lvs. smh

newspapers sell for 1k each on the burnt food market

Those newspapers are tradeable player-to-player, so there's a market for them similar to burnt food. I don't know the prices but newspapers probably go for at least a couple hundred gp each, if not more.

That ‘Vet’ion bots’ text spin was bawler

Newspapers actually sell for like 2k each or something in the collector market.

I guess I should stop wearing my rune full helm on my f2p UIM. One of those accounts could have been me because that's an item you can't buy. And the cape is for fashion.

People make a sensible choice in how to bot or not to bot for their account. I rather just have the usual/classic fun of understanding a slightly slower pace that fits me that is different than what school makes some people assume of what it is from bad education on young terrible mindset on things. Some people play as frame/pixel perfect mindset at something in software games. I don't focus on mathematics or statistics or detail of something. I keep it simple to get by summarizing to what it possibly will be. There is some complexity and complications that I do not do because it is too much for one second to the next. Because it is as fast as milliseconds in calculating a strategy to something.

I was cooking with a guy yesterday at the rogues den and he kept randomly talking to me saying the same things like “ no burns for sale” and “cooking sharks” I responded to him because he had 90 mil cooking xp and he never responded and then 30 mins later would just repeat one of the lines. I asked him if he was a bot and he never responded to the question. I reported him he only had cooking xp on his account besides 8 fire making

I ran a bot doing cannon balls for over 3 weeks straight. I was afk skilling on another account. They banned the skilling account that has never logged in on a 3rd party client. I can run a bot for a week rack up 50mill then I can actually enjoy the game on my main. The brainless grind makes this game such a waste of human life. Most people that regularly bot actually produce in the real world. So I will happily continue botting.

The boss wasn’t dead. As long as you don’t get hit by the magic pools/hellhounds you don’t count as being in combat since you never get hit. I just logged from pkers there until I finished Coll log.

My conspiracy theory: Botting keeps Jagex financially alive, with the extra memberships coming in. Jagex themself doesn’t have a huge incentive to actually get rid of bots. Think of how much extra Irl dollars they get from botted accounts buying memberships. I would imagine 3 to 1 even maybe 4 to 1, of memberships are actually just botted accounts. Think about it most of these people don’t care about paying for membership as long as they can RWT more than the membership is worth. I’m not entirely sure OSRS could financially survive without the botted memberships. I used to bot for fun never RWTed. And got banned a bunch. And and I spent more money on botted memberships than on legit accounts. And I just botted because I like to program and thought it was fun. So i made harmless bots that would interact with players. So with guys that are doing this for a living making 10k-20k a month they might be spending 5k on memberships a month. And think about all of the smaller bot farms there’s 100s of 50+ bot farms in osrs. 5000 memberships if not 10,000 or 20,000 given these guys just buy new memberships once their old account gets banned. You’d think Jagex would just ban credit cards or debits that are buying 100s or 1000s of memberships a month… Not the individual accounts themself

You’d think by now that massive gain, or high kill count consistently would flag on a inspection system for the team. Especially with higher end boss counts/content. Apparently not, though. It’s almost as if Jagex is turning blind eye to it, intentionally, sure ban one or two farms on the “anti cheating team” make it look. Like you care. But deep down, Jagex needs these bots, most likely for economy stability and/or player inflation. Both are kind of important. The rabbit hole can go deep.

I play like I’m still 10 years old in 07 to confuse the bot detectors.

Go check out the iron ore mining bots in high risk PvP world in mining guild… or in other worlds. All between 40-50 cb with 90+ mage for some and 90+ mining. They all have the same pattern, they mine, bank, move to the exact same tile everytime and sometimes they just stand at the deposit box for a minute

5:15 this bot farm is made to gather newspapers to sell off to neckbeards that collect items that arent tradeable on the grand exchange. Cute hustle (if ur not a robot)

On the collector market those news papers are roughly 115m around that region

Fully maxed accounts running into the bloodveld caves in Kourend, you see the action animation then they teleport away. Few seconds later they teleport outside the statue and repeat - not saying they are botting, but WHY????? Every world has 4-5 of them doing this for hours

I saw a big name player recently with multiple 200M’s that was 100% MLM botting. Him and another stack of bots were going to each vein together, same tick, etc. 🤷‍♂️ there are so many 100M+ exp bot accounts for sale on websites its not even surprising anymore. They even show screenshots with appeals for macro bans lmao

So the maxed or 2200+ bots are less likely to be banned/easier to repeal the ban. People lease out their accounts while they wait for a buyer for their maxed account.

Just saw a 2247 total level botting aerial fishing

I've been seeing a bot on most worlds at temple spiders when I'm training there they are collecting the red eggs

The newspapers get sold on the underground market to collectors. They’re worth a lot

the main reason ppl bot these days (non gold farmers) is kuz us rs players dont have the time and motivation we had 5 yrs ago. every1 whos maxed knows that theres some point in time that u go thru grueling moments and even sacrifice ur mental health sometimes lol. no1 wants to go thru anything like that again, hence ppl willing to risk getting banned. it sounds counter productive but some of thes eppl have been maxed for 5yrs+ so imagine playing post max. u have 2 options. entertain urself with the limited content (like pet hunting, combat achievements etc) slowly being released or start over on another acc. ppl are gonna eventually look for diff options lol. im not flamming jagex or defending botters. im just pointing out some things that are worth thinking about.

gg jagex, your priorities are definitely in line

I think it comes down to a solid percentage of players who bot via plugins and they either don't have anything made to detect plugins or don't wanna perma-ban all those players.

I found a maxed account cutting mahogany trees on isle of soul and banking the logs at the soul wars bank and then running back. It takes like 5 minutes each way to walk there

@SirPugger For some reason after binge watching your videos i feel the need to create an OSRS account for the sole purpose of bot hunting as it seems pretty lucrative too considering my account will be solely focused on hunting them and not chasing the max GP per hour mindset. What are your thoughts about that, is it worth it for a small amount of dopamine per bot kill?

As a collectionner of random items that can’t be trade on the GE, I would love to know who is behind this newspaper bot farm :)

meanwhile my 20 year old account, maxed, with zuk helm, gets perm muted and appeal denied for trash talking in lms.

They ARE able to log in combat at Vetion. We have no idea what's going on.

They are secretly wanting to get caught so they don't have to log on every day anymore 😂

Found another item being potentially used to mule gp, Raw Rat Meat 330gp each.

Saw a bunch of bots at undead druids that would swear if they logged in and I was there lol

"Why are Players Botting on Their MAXED Accounts?" The question is, why aren't you? Jagex literally wont stop you

Maybe they were building a rare collection of newspapers to sell to a collector

With regards to newspapers can understand it considering the collectable as a non ge item now

An rs RU-vidr made a video the other day about a discord channel for item collectors. The newspaper sells to collectors for a descent bit.

That craziest thing is that they're making 2m gp for every 50k xp with that outfit on using the 93 agility method. 70m xp.... That's 2.8 BILLION GP

Yeah I seen that same thing with the newspapers on a member world just last week so I think they may be doing it still