Why Are Some Keyboards More Expensive? Featuring KBDFANS ODIN 1800

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#Keybored Why Are Some Keyboards More Expensive? Featuring KBDFANS ODIN 1800
One thing that is more confusing than some others in this crazy Keyboard hobby is the price of the keyboards and keyboard components. Somethings seem pretty similar to each other, and claim to offer similar features, but the pricing is so vastly different... Why is that? I hope to explain a bit! And learn a bit about the science of finishing as well!
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KBDFans ODIN 1800 Keyboard Kit
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Gateron Blizzard Switches (Super Tactile and Poppy, Long Stem Pole)
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@Keybored 2 года назад

A Quick Update! The KBDFans ODIN GB Pricing was $319, but the in-stock pricing is now $350. Just a quick heads up on the change since I called out the GB pricing on the video!

@Mintium Год назад

bro really wrote an essay💀

@romain3135 Год назад

it's now 405$ dude

@ResumedPausing 2 года назад

I studied materials engineering for my undergrad, and these technical deep dives are like music to my ears!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Fellow engineer! Welcome!

@oatmilk9918 2 года назад

@@Keybored currently doing my masters in materials science and engineering (3rd year). it's very interesting to see how companies market certain materials and processes such as 'air craft' grade and 'military' grade aluminium (the correct uk spelling :P) when planes and rockets are made from an entirely different grade and are literally glued together. also seeing so much aluminium and ]so many engineering polymers be used for a hobby is depressing, but that still doesnt stop me buying it lol

@ndeporceri 2 года назад

@@oatmilk9918 are these materials in short supply?

@MatthewEncina 2 года назад

I was actually wondering about metals and paint. Thanks for the break down.

@Keybored 2 года назад

You're very welcome! Hope it wasn't too technical and informative! Thanks for dropping by again! :)

@lawrencetchen 2 года назад

Scott, you're absolutely finding your niche in this saturated mech keeb field that has just basic reviews and sound tests. Lean in to it, and those who love the science will flock to you. Keep up the great work!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) I hope so! It takes more effort and time, but I feel it may be helpful to the community and will have to keep at it! Can't guarantee every review and video will have science baked in, but every chance I get to, I will include!

@curlcurllocal 2 года назад

“Lean in” this guy is definitely a consultant. Hate that corporate buzz phrase crap

@jkbaby84 2 года назад

@@curlcurllocal bro you're thinking too much about it, it was a compliment at heart what are you on

@krapj214 Год назад

@@curlcurllocal sounds like you hate being a consultant lol

@yanec2501 2 года назад

Dude I love how technical you've become with these kinds of videos! Keep up the great work!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Wil do! Thank you so much!

@yux8331 2 года назад

I agree. It's why I prefer this channel over others.

@lauhernsean6179 2 года назад

I love how you explained the anodizing and e coat thingy process!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Hope it was helpful!

@dougdoesdigital 2 года назад

That's not a keyboard, THIS is a keyboard. A+ reference, and great video! Thanks for all the amazing detailed content

@Keybored 2 года назад

I wanted to say that at least once in my life lol

@dougdoesdigital 2 года назад

@@Keybored And now it's immortalized in video lol. Quick question, thoughts on Bakeneko60 vs 65? Hold out for a 65 when its back in stock or does the 60 deliver a typing/sound experience just as well?

@bandittree 2 года назад

Learned so much about keyboards and so much in general! It should be illegal to be this hilarious, intelligent, and handsome

@jawonald 2 года назад

Doctor Strange of Mechanical Keyboards

@Keybored 2 года назад

Hahaha I'll take that as a compliment!

@kppeternoh 2 года назад

This channel went from just another keyboard youtuber to a classroom. I love it. Keep up the good work sir.

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thank you so much Pete!

@MarbsMusic 11 месяцев назад

Probably the most thorough video on price differences, thank you Scott!

@raulchavez2010 7 месяцев назад

When I heard your paint explanation you got my sub lol. Great video boss

@fskate2 2 года назад

These more technical videos are deeply fascinating. Always exciting when a new video drops!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Thank you! I hope to add in more videos like this regularly!

@uncarriable 2 года назад

It's so cool to see someone break a topic down to better educate the user instead of just giving their own opinions. Keep up the great work!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Thank you! I will keep trying!

@GarlickyBread 2 года назад

i really love the in depth explanations! as a design student who's also an enthusiast i'm just so surprised at how much of the things i've learned in my classes also applies to my hobby. thank you for the educational videos!!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Glad to hear that! More of these kinds of videos coming soon!

@nenes7604 2 года назад

This is great content, I started to feel bad as I got deeper into the community because I can't afford an expensive keyboard, I really thought I was missing something, but hearing this helps me relieve that anxiety. Also the editing is unmatched!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Thank you so much!

@MetalBeast28 2 года назад

Ay, thanks for the process breakdown. Knowing the chemistry behind things like a simple coloring of metal is always incredible

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Of course! More of these kinds of videos coming!

@chiuuuuuuuuuu 2 года назад

I'm still waiting for an anodized bakeneko65.

@Keybored 2 года назад

That would be great actually

@gilbertcoquilla8334 2 года назад

Hey Scott, I really love the fact that you're explaining a little bit of science behind what makes a keyboard a certain way. Appreciate the quality vids. Keep it up!

@_Kisaragi 2 года назад

the talk about the colours was really interesting!

@adamkelly2256 2 года назад

Scott, this is one of your best videos yet. It's clear how much research and prep you did. Everyone watching this feels smarter now :) Great job! One small comment: it may be a little more accurate to use the term electrostatics when describing the process that moves the particles and causes the deposition during electrophoresis. Great job showing off Hipyo's caps!

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) Thanks for the feedback! What I started to do is open up convos with subject matter experts to improve my own understanding so I can try to help the community more as well. It's an eye opening experience actually!

@oatmilk9918 2 года назад

Your description of painting and anodisation is spot on for the general public! Nice job! I will say though, you cant call all oxidation an anodisation process. Oxidation is spontaneous, but anodisation is exclusively electrochemically driven

@Keybored 2 года назад

:) good to know that! I can provide the basics for the masses, but definitely not the expert :) I'll be happy as a generalist :)

@CyberTerrorism 2 года назад

I agree that ODIN sounds perfect stock form omg

@3lea.strato 2 года назад

that Crocodile Dundee reference i see you! top notch intro once again XD

@newtc312 2 года назад

The education portion of the video is so good! Please continue !

@e.r4372 2 года назад

As an Australian, I love the intro haha! Jokes aside, what an in-depth video. I like how you explained things in such great detail. Please make more on this kinda stuff!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Haha, so sorry for butchering the accent!

@e.r4372 2 года назад

@@Keybored All good, at least you tried haha! Though to be honest its probably better than what most people can do.

@LonelyRavenProductio 2 года назад

I love your educational portions of your reviews...I enjoy knowing *why* something is.

@papilcost 2 года назад

The australian cowboy hits diff

@Keybored 2 года назад

It's supposed to be crocodile dundee haha. I just wanted to say the line once

@j___7052 2 года назад

The videos are so technical, such an underrated channel :D

@indi__ 2 года назад

another great video. i just bought a keychron and some budget keycaps and it's been so interesting talking to friends who are just getting interested in the hobby and having that 'talk' with them about what exactly they should expect with regards to pricing. thanks for the awesome presentation again, i can always trust that you'll come out with well-made, quality content. :)

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thank you so much! Just really great to hear the newcommers to the hobby and I hope I can help shed some light into topics that may not be covered as much!

@grahsseldungca312 2 года назад

As someone with an engineering background, I absolutely love how you explain things in this video! It's easier to make an informed purchase if people actually understand what it takes to create different keyboards. Keep em coming!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Will do! More of these types of videos coming!

@dwalker8262 2 года назад

You really know your stuff, really appreciate these videos!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thank you so much! I appreciate the support and sentiment!

@randomgeocacher 2 года назад

We did that elctro-chem metap coloring baths in chemistry when I was young, and I sucked at it :) cleaning and making sure you don’t get finger fats onto the metal is really important if you want good results. Can imagine this affecting yield or the level of worker training requires to operate.

@underdoglucifer 2 года назад

Having a odin myself I have to agree what you said so far but It will be interesting to know whether quality or grade of the metal also used translate to different cost. I notice cheaper board tend to be lighter compared to more expensive board, however i dont see significant change in thickness or size. So does it mean it is not due to them using less material but maybe they use different quality aluminium. Which result in more ping and hollow sound on cheaper board. This will be more interesting dive indeed. Honestly enjoy you educational content lately. Please keep it coming.

@chrisdotdash5154 2 года назад

You never disappoint with your videos, I always enjoy watching them!!

@Tokolist 2 года назад

worth mentioning that odin supports qmk, which typically makes pcb a bit more expensive due to limited mcu support especially nowadays when there are chip shortages. on the other hand it gives you more customization options

@zhieson 2 года назад

Any of your content is a thumbs up in my book. However, you deserve another thumbs up for the Dundee/Simpsons knife reference xD

@Keybored 2 года назад

Hahaha great that you got it! I just wanted to say that at least once in my life lol

@squatCS 2 года назад

I agree the ODIN does look nicer, but they both sound so fire

@Keybored 2 года назад

Both sound amazing! Different sounds, but great nonetheless!

@thomascleveland 2 года назад

If you work at it, you can get much better deals than the odin. For example, take a ymdk melody 96 and oring mount the pcb to the case, add foam, and you have something ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ^ nearly as good as the Odin for less than half the price.

@universederp4782 2 года назад

re name the channel Scotts sience class

@Keybored 2 года назад

Hahaha. Keybored science

@Ryan-zm9tz 2 года назад

Really enjoyed this video - keep up the good work!

@romo9592 2 года назад

Scott is the Alton Brown of the Keyboard community. Seriously informative video.

@kelseymontero5944 2 года назад

My RU-vid crashed right when you said thocky. Thanks!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Haha that's hilarious!

@iamnotarealboy 2 года назад

12:07 Anodization can't be removed with oven cleaner, but it can be removed with Whink rust stain remover, commonly used as a toiler cleaner. Whink uses a low concentration of hydrofluoric acid, which removes oxidation. It is an extremely dangerous acid, so process with caution if you decide to use it, but it is a cheap, and easy process. Just let the aluminum part sit full submerged in a bath of Whink for a few minutes, brushing it off every few minutes to help break the dye loose. Definitely don't use it indoors, because the fumes produces are very toxic. If you use Whink, wear thick nitrile gloves (they have to be nitrile, hydrofluoric acid will eat through most other types of gloves), and a respirator. It will take several minutes, so be patient.

@incongruous4 2 года назад

Aphex twin in the background, nice.

@LateBandwagon 2 года назад

Finally a keyboard engineer !

@Keybored 2 года назад

Haha we need more science!

@axelfoley133 2 года назад

Bloody hell, mate! If the emus down here heard that accent, they'd declare war on us again!

@Levonrix 2 года назад

amazing intro as always :)

@jarenlim387 2 года назад

Very educational and entertaining content! Keep it up :D

@Keybored 2 года назад

Will do! I'll keep these series going for a while!

@nrl1997 2 года назад

*Typing on Keyboard Closed Caption: [Applause]

@TBSxDRUMS 2 года назад

A general note about sound, though obviously it’s subjective: I think all the work and engineering put into dampening a metal case’s natural metal sound is removing some essential character for the board. I guess my line of thinking is why buy a metal case if I don’t want it to SOUND like metal? I’m waiting for my MOD003 to arrive, so I’ll hear it for myself when it comes, but I would like for it to have metallic characteristics to the sound and feel.

@Keybored 2 года назад

You make a great point! One thing about a metallic case is that there are both desirable and also undesirable sounds. So it would be good to keep all the desirable sounds and filter out the undesirable through the case modding.

@YurttheSilentChief1 2 года назад

Ok now this is probably the most hilarious outfit to date on this channel lol

@Keybored 2 года назад

LOL it was pretty ridiculous haha

@lando634 2 года назад

electrophoresis is also used on some car bumpers to get that chrome finish onto them

@Keybored 2 года назад

Yup! Similar to electroplating as well!

@lando634 2 года назад

@@Keybored you just had to correct me 😥

@Sour_Patch_Kid_ 2 года назад

This is a very nice and informed video!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thanks!

@SeraphimKnight 2 года назад

Man I hesitated on buying this board during GB because there are so few full size boards getting made nowadays but that price tag (plus the abhorrent current exchange rate between USD and CAD) was a big turn off. Plus I'm a huge fan of 95% layout and this was fairly close to it while being a very premium board.

@misterforest6574 2 года назад

I see you use an iMac. How do you deal with Keycap sets that are geared for Windows? Like your AKKO Psittacus.

@PRATIK1900 2 года назад

Can you please review the mod 008? Thanks!

@_SkaffaH 2 года назад

full keyboard with all keys ftw

@jsunn6791 2 года назад

I just purchased this board on the restock yesterday. Great video! What did you think of the included stabilizers? Would it be worth changing them for Durock v2 or similar?

@JordanDoesKeebs 2 года назад

Another fantastic video!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thanks Jordan! Good seeing you!

@zmbp 2 года назад

That intro 😂

@therealredroven7300 2 года назад

More budget keyboard builds !!!!

@Keybored 2 года назад

Will look for more! Let me know if you guys have suggestions!

@therealredroven7300 2 года назад

@@Keybored your $15 keyboard video was truly a masterpiece, but I personally don’t like the look of that keyboard. Any chance you could do a budget build on a more attractive backlit keyboard from Amazon around the $40 US price point? I feel as though many beginners can justify spending that and then some on some nice modifications. Side note, thank you for all that you do. Personally, your channel has inspired me to learn about keyboards and I can’t thank you enough for the information that you provide.

@IronKnok 2 года назад

Thank you for your content, and information. I have a question regarding your speakers(beside the monitor on your desk). I haven't been able to find any information on what brand/model they are. Any information would be appreciated . Thank you

@pjk-ch 2 года назад

14:15 "Charge the case with either positive or negative energy" While I understand that you are trying to tone down the technical terms, I think it would be better to stay true to those terms, and give a brief explanation if you feel the need. Changing the terms like this made it more confusing to me, like when you mentioned electromagnetism I was expecting to see some current passing through that generates a magnetic field or maybe an actual magnet being used, then I got confused when I didn't see any magnets. In this instance I'd just stick with positive/negative "charge" rather than energy.

@Chasjazzez 11 месяцев назад

Which deskmat is that?

@JohnWittNY 2 года назад

Could you tell me where you got the board and the containers where you are storing your switches on the wall from? I've been trying to find it with no luck. Thanks

@Keybored 2 года назад

Ikea skadis!

@JohnWittNY 2 года назад

@@Keybored Thank You!

@reintheart7315 2 года назад

hi do you know what happen with my case its anodized silver, but after use it in high humitidity room 85-90% for 2 monts the coating looks like a little black spot like small dot scuff in some area and i cant wipe it, do you know what caused that? thankyou

@zhrimb 2 года назад

I see you've played knifey-keebie before

@GeneralRazec 2 года назад

A few seconds in and I'm already loving how you try to take away the elitist side of this hobby, especially now that it's grown beyond a US wildfire in popularity amongst the "normies". I really appreciate this video. I'm waiting on a shipment for this keyboard. It's exactly what I've been looking for. It was always looking for an 1800 keyboard and the G915 fit the bill for the longest until I sacrificed keys and a numpad for custom quality. But finally, I get to appreciate that much more once I get mine, after watching this video. Thank you.

@PenPaperKeyCode 2 года назад

Nice explanation :)

@Keybored 2 года назад

Thank you! Hope it was helpful!

@cmdrTremyss 2 года назад

What is that white wall decoration behind your monitor called?

@Keybored 2 года назад

It's like a 3D wall panel from Amazon haha

@cmdrTremyss 2 года назад

@@Keybored It looks very cool. Does it alters the acoustic of the room as well?

@erikvasauez9361 2 года назад

Would’ve been happy to keep my mod003 as my in office work keeb since they dont cost much but I’ve now dealt with 2 dead pcb’s & i doubt i can get a 2nd replacement from Aklo, so it’s now a paperweight on my work desk. I was too late on the odin extras too so i need to mow find another 1800 keeb

@Keybored 2 года назад

Really sorry to hear that! Are all the Odin extras already gone?!

@erikvasauez9361 2 года назад

@@Keybored yeah they got cleaned up pretty quickly haha but if im not reading their page wrong, it may seem they’re gonna do another restock of it so we’ll see. Still just not sure what happened to these 2 pcbs though

@crxhol1936 Год назад

Mane actually said "mate" in a texan accent

@Mzakhri 2 года назад

The akko is never in stock now sadge

@Keybored 2 года назад

That's too bad to hear :(

@initcodel4722 2 года назад

Hi when I pull out my keycaps off my black ink v2 the switches come out everytime ( it’s the gmmk pro ) is it normal? Or is something wrong?

@Keybored 2 года назад

It happens with certain plate materials like PC and POM... softer ones

@christiansmyth1466 2 года назад

Paint isn't a process that has inherent "low batch consistency", or really any of the other "cons" you attribute to it. If so, factory car paint would be terrible too. And house paint. And fingernail polish. Etc. In a given manufacturing or finishing process, the thing that drives cost MOST is QUALITY CONTROL. One method might be more expensive than another, true, but after you choose the method, it is QC that determines the cost. Paint on a keyboard can be super-high quality, hard to scratch, consistent from board to board, tough as nails, etc. But if the manufacturer doesn't want to take the time or expense to do painting the QUALITY way, then the result will be not-great. Same thing with ano. We see keeb reviews all the time where the ano is inconsistent on the piece, or a slightly different color between the top piece and the bottom piece, etc. A lot of times, a given method in and of itself isn't inferior to some other method. It all has to do with the execution.

@Keybored 2 года назад

Hey, you're not wrong!

@beautiful_ground 2 года назад

Can you pls review a matrix board? this could be veeeeery interesting board from scientific side.

@Keybored 2 года назад

Matrix? Will have to take a look!

@DJaquithFL 2 года назад

I'm sorry but the Odin V2 which is currently in pre-order and is priced nearly $400 has NO (EXPLETIVE) RGB!!! What were those -bozos- people thinking?! I almost ordered it and I would have literally lost it and reversed my credit card / PayPal charges. I mean come on!!!!

Год назад

I bought this partly because it "doesn't" have that RGB all the kids want.

@DJaquithFL Год назад

@ .. If you don't want RGB, don't turn it on. Wow.

Год назад

@@DJaquithFL I rather have it as a design feature. Each to his own.

@DJaquithFL Год назад

@ .. I prefer options.

Год назад

@@DJaquithFL, I get that. But these days I rather pay extra to not have RGB. I've gone tired of keyboards resetting back to their nice rainbow effects just because they got unplugged or plugged into a different OS. Or brought to work...