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In the Netherlands, the main passenger operator NS mostly two types of services: the Intercity (fast express trains) and the Sprinter (slow, local trains). But why are the slow trains called Sprinter? Turns out, there's quite an interesting history behind it.
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0:00 Introduction
1:42 Hooray! Another skit
3:49 History of NS
5:45 The Need for Better Acceleration
6:17 Introducing the SGM
7:37 Sprinter becomes more than a Nickname
8:11 Big Changes in 2011
9:29 New Generations of Sprinters
10:45 This is just an NS Thing
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@NonstopEurotrip
@NonstopEurotrip 3 месяца назад
Honestly Thom you should become an actor. It's the type of transit content I never knew I needed. But it's fantastic 🤩
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I’ll let you be my agent! It’s a partnership destined to succeed
@NonstopEurotrip
@NonstopEurotrip 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA Deal. 50/50 split 😘
@ayindestevens6152
@ayindestevens6152 3 месяца назад
@@NonstopEurotripyou’ve hit the MOTHERLODE!
@marcogeurts9881
@marcogeurts9881 3 месяца назад
@NonstopEurotrip i agree with tom that the sprinter category is confusing
@UrvonDiviner
@UrvonDiviner 3 месяца назад
Sprinter: short distance, fast pace (compare pacers in the UK) usually light(er)weight stock with high accelleration..
@Cupertinorail
@Cupertinorail 3 месяца назад
Heard about the Pacers, rode one in 2017. Pretty terrible from my POV
@baseballfan99
@baseballfan99 3 месяца назад
@@CupertinorailThey replaced the class 101’s and similar though later latter hung about till 2003 having been built as early as 1956. I went on the very last one in service in 2003 though some are now on private heritage railways just like the pacers.
@jonkess2768
@jonkess2768 3 месяца назад
In Germany a Sprinter is literally the fastest train out there. For example nonstop from Cologne to Berlin with an ICE.
@johnchastain5657
@johnchastain5657 3 месяца назад
In the USA, we have Stucktrains, Oldtrains, and Randomtrains.
@Cupertinorail
@Cupertinorail 3 месяца назад
Yes we do
@1955DodgersBrooklyn
@1955DodgersBrooklyn 3 месяца назад
You forgot the most important category. Notrains.
@rikkichunn8856
@rikkichunn8856 3 месяца назад
Good one!
@wta1518
@wta1518 3 месяца назад
Also twomilelongfreighttrainsthatdontfitinthepassingloops
@unduloid
@unduloid 3 месяца назад
And, of course, Kaboomtrains.
@gentuxable
@gentuxable 3 месяца назад
10:40 I feel so sorry for her, happened a lot to me as well...
@nolunchiseverfree
@nolunchiseverfree 3 месяца назад
And then DB realized that you can't make every intercity train an ICE without devaluing the brand, so they invented the ICE Sprinter. Basically NS has slow Sprinters and DB has fast Sprinters.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I’ve always thought the ICE Sprinter was funny knowing what sprinter means in the neighborhood country
@PrograError
@PrograError 3 месяца назад
That has to be confusing when interlining cross border service...
@ianweniger6620
@ianweniger6620 3 месяца назад
And that maybe explains European cross-border rail service...
@RunawayTrain2502
@RunawayTrain2502 3 месяца назад
The ICE sprinter does not go to the Netherlands. And no Dutch "Sprinter" goes international. ​@@PrograError
@DanTheCaptain
@DanTheCaptain 3 месяца назад
I’ve never been to the Netherlands yet but I’m happy that NS decided to keep the iconic navy and yellow livery. When I think of Dutch trains a big yellow VIRM speeding past tulips fields and windmills is what automatically pops into my head.
@uncipaws7643
@uncipaws7643 3 месяца назад
I remember landing at Schiphol after a journey to the USA. At the landing approach I saw yellow doubledeck trains among the fields of flowers and vegetables and knew immediately I am in the right country.
@uncipaws7643
@uncipaws7643 3 месяца назад
@@295g295 If you mean Norfolk Southern. It would be fun if NS and NS did a swap of liveries on a few units. As CP and CP almost did at some point in the past, using the same orange/red with white striped front ends.
@duploman0003
@duploman0003 3 месяца назад
@@295g295 Comboios de Portugal (CP), the Portuguese state railway operator.
@uncipaws7643
@uncipaws7643 3 месяца назад
@@295g295 Comboios de Portugal
@EnjoyFirefighting
@EnjoyFirefighting 3 месяца назад
Good example from the area I grew up in southern Germany: my city was roughly an hour from the next greater city. Both cities were linked by an Interstate Highway and a double tracked electrified main line from the railroad. All kinds of passenger and freight trains used that line, and although the high-speed trains weren't going at high speed, they were still faster: - ICE = Inter City Express, a high-speed long distance train which goes directly from central station to central station without stopping in between. Took roughly 55 minutes. - IC = Inter City, still a high-speed long distance train. It stops only once at the largest town between both cities, roughly two thirds down the line. Took maybe 58 minutes - RE = Regional Express, a train serving a greater regional area. It stops 3 times between both cities, serving the largest town and some large villages. Travel time 1 hour 2 minutes - RB = Regional Train, a train serving a smaller regional area. It stops at each and every station along the line, in every small village, adding up to 11 stops. However that train doesn't even go all the way to the other large city, but only to that town two thirds down the line. In that town you have to get off the regional train and get onto the commuter train - S-Bahn = commuter train, a local train serving a greater metro area of the largest cities. They stop at each and every station just like regional trains, but they run on a much tighter schedule. Travel time of regional train + commuter train: 1 hour 32 minutes
@RonnieOP
@RonnieOP 3 месяца назад
Darf ich fragen wo das war? Ich komm irgendwie nicht drauf....
@EnjoyFirefighting
@EnjoyFirefighting 3 месяца назад
@@RonnieOP Regensburg - Nürnberg
@RonnieOP
@RonnieOP 3 месяца назад
@@EnjoyFirefighting Danke Haben ICs früher Mal in Neumarkt gehalten? Mir wäre das nämlich nicht bekannt
@EnjoyFirefighting
@EnjoyFirefighting 3 месяца назад
@@RonnieOP ja die IC haben immer in Neumarkt gehalten
@Blank00
@Blank00 3 месяца назад
This is not the only slow Sprinter. Sprinter is also some Siemens Desiro trains in California and Sprinter is also a locomotive that hauls Amtrak trains that are not as fast as Acela
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
True, though the locomotives you are talking about are called the "Cities Sprinter"
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 месяца назад
Or the old class 150s in the UK that probably are due for the scrapyard?
@jpg3702
@jpg3702 3 месяца назад
Thanks for this video. I went back to my photos from my trip to Amsterdam last year (unexpected layover due to weather). And realize the train we took must have been a sprinter. Had no idea about any of the Dutch trains. We didn't do any research. We took the train, now i know it was Sprinter, from Schipol after checking into the airport hotel to the Central Station for just a few hours. It was amazing and perfect, as they say about Dutch train travel.
@PaulCashman
@PaulCashman 3 месяца назад
Ahh, this is exactly why I thought they were called "Sprinters" -- they basically sprint from each small station to the next. And yes, I've enjoyed my two visits to NL and using the trains...although the visits were two decades apart. I like watching the Railcam Netherlands live-feed from Mierlo-Hout Helmond, since Sprinters stop at the small station on-camera, but the ICs just speed on through.
@ayindestevens6152
@ayindestevens6152 3 месяца назад
Honestly both the official version and Thom’s version of the Sprinter sound logical in my mind. Great Work Thom!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thank you!
@weerwolfproductions
@weerwolfproductions 3 месяца назад
The version I remember was that the NS thought 'stopping train' sounded to negative, and too easy to make jokes off as they were having serious problems getting their trains to run on time or even to run at all. So they came up with a less negative name and chose sprinter. Sprinters were known for not having toilets on board. When the NS decided to pull the original sprinters off their commuter / metro routes, and onto longer distance routes, that started to give problems. Yes subways and trams don't have toilets, but you're generally only on them for half an hour max. But the new routes, some people rode from start to finish so were sometimes on the train for an hour or longer. The conducter ended up having a stash of plastic bags so passenger could do an emergency bio-stop on those routes in the conductor's room... I think they just finished retro-fitting in toilets on all the sprinter trains that came without them, and the new version came with them build-in.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I’ve never heard any of those stories before
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA who would talk about them. it's just something they expect everyone to just remember.
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
they didn't finish "retro-fitting" toilets in recently. but we did have a new SNG design with a new toilet design. (i worked at the place where they referbish all the components.) in any case they finished several years ago.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@darkracer1252 SLT was retrofitted with toilets. How you don’t remember that, I don’t know.
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA because i'm not a train nut. i just work for them at the components revision centre. i don't disassemble the trains. and NS doesn't treat their workers right. they work with temps. they have a 4 year cycle of 2 busy years. and 2 nothing to do years. they fire all the temps in the quiet years. so at most anyone you ask will only have worked there for 2 years. unless they are close to retirement and part of the old crew. wich is how i can be sure to say that they finished several years ago and not recently. because this happened since before i even started there. (more than 3 years ago) wich means it's NOT recent.
@sirremusrobinson1070
@sirremusrobinson1070 3 месяца назад
I love their rail transportation. They have a couple of guys that have channels and do cab rides.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Sadly Dutch trains don't have cab windows for passengers like other countries do, so these cab ride channels are great!
@redriverwave
@redriverwave 3 месяца назад
Great job and analysis, Thom!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@InfraWatch_FRM
@InfraWatch_FRM 3 месяца назад
I really like the German terminology and service types. It’s almost universally used across the country and pretty easy to remember. For those who don’t know: We have - U-Bahn = Metro/Light Rail in cities - S-Bahn = Commuter Rail connecting cities and suburbs, typically red with a white stripe DB livery - Regionalbahn (RB) = like Stoptrein, also typically red and white - Regionalexpress (RE) = like Sprinters, also red and white - Intercity (IC) = the slower and worse long distance rail, but in DB long distance livery white with red stripe - Intercityexpress (ICE) = I guess I don’t need to explain those…
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I have to say the seats on the loco-hauled DB intercities and on the ICEs are very comfortable
@InfraWatch_FRM
@InfraWatch_FRM 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA True, especially the compartment cars on older IC rolling stock are so comfy if you don’t have to share your compartment with strangers. Although compared to ICEs the interior of those carriages is definitely showing its age.
@azuma892
@azuma892 3 месяца назад
Well Pacers don't exactly keep up to pace either.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Good point
@duploman0003
@duploman0003 3 месяца назад
1:16 De brug bij Zutphen herken ik direct, ik kom daar zo vaak langs
@carolbarno5557
@carolbarno5557 3 месяца назад
LOVE the history you include!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thanks!
@stthecat3935
@stthecat3935 3 месяца назад
Even in the UK they call their DMUs for regional (yes, regional not intercity) services Sprinters
@ck4426
@ck4426 3 месяца назад
The SGM is such a sweet sprinter!!! Thanks for explaining this awesome transit system to all of us!!!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I miss them. I disliked them as a teenager because they were so old, but now they’re gone, I realize I miss them…
@frafraplanner9277
@frafraplanner9277 3 месяца назад
I'd love to see a video on Randstadrail!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Noted!
@georgobergfell
@georgobergfell 3 месяца назад
RM Transit made a video about the Rotterdam transit Systems, in wich he mentioned Randstad rail. Maybe you can add something to that
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@georgobergfell with the advantage that I am actually from the area and can make a video based on my experience
@MartinBrenner
@MartinBrenner 3 месяца назад
As an occasional user of trains in the Netherlands I obviously had some misconceptions about the train types. Thanks for clearing this up.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
You're welcome! What part is clearer now?
@MartinBrenner
@MartinBrenner 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRAI thought stoptreins were still a thing and sprinters would skip stations, so I was surprised that there now is only one type of local train. But as you explained near the end that non-NS operators have their own classifications I felt a little less dumb. Using the regional express RE18 between Aachen and Maastricht I'm pretty sure I heard announcements for stoptreins near Maastricht.
@rikkichunn8856
@rikkichunn8856 3 месяца назад
When I was in England, they had stopping trains and fast trains. Express trains to them sounded like trains that carried freight in baggage cars.
@CityLifeinAmerica
@CityLifeinAmerica 3 месяца назад
Here I am thinking that you were going to talk about the Sprinter in San Diego LMAO.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Someday
@danukil7703
@danukil7703 3 месяца назад
Thank you for the wonderful video! A future video on the RandstadRail and the conversion to tram-trains sounds very interesting, particularly as many cities throughout the world are building new tram networks that could perhaps become tram-train networks
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
The verdict is in: the people want a Randstadrail vid.
@kevanhubbard9673
@kevanhubbard9673 3 месяца назад
With buses limited stop ones often have an X for express in front of the number ie/X10 but occasionally you see it the other way around ie/22X.
@handlaidtracksand3dprinted922
@handlaidtracksand3dprinted922 3 месяца назад
I've taken a Sprinter filling in as a Intercity twice now. Utrecht to Rotterdam a few weeks ago was the 2nd time. Humming along at 140mh!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
That was my old commute! Can’t believe they do that there now.
@gaudetjaja
@gaudetjaja 3 месяца назад
These used to be called stoptrein (stopping train), but they marketed it as sprinter. There is only a few stoptreinen left in the country, those are privatized trains not run by the NS. There used to be sneltrein which is in between an intercity and sprinter (stoptrein at the time), and intercity has always been called intercity.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thanks for repeating everything I say in the video. Two things: NS is also private. Intercity didn’t exist before 1970.
@hendman4083
@hendman4083 3 месяца назад
With the government owning 100% of the shares, the term "private" seems a bit of a reach. 😂
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@hendman4083 except they are supposed to make a profit and have an executive board and a corporate structure much like any company. Until recently they didn’t even receive any subsidy. So not that much of a reach.
@theautistictransitfan
@theautistictransitfan 3 месяца назад
After my (very) short visit to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport on the way to my vacation to Barcelona, I’ve had a newfound fascination with the Dutch railway system.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Definitely come back!
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 3 месяца назад
Sprinter is a pretty common name for train stuff in general, here in Melbourne we have the Sprinter diesel railmotor, which isn't very fast, doesn't accelerate especially quickly, and often goes longer distance on the V/Line network, though the "Metro™" Stony Point line is actually a fairly short sprint, they do _blazing fast_ 30 minute headway in peak for 2 trains... only in the peak direction
@dykam
@dykam 3 месяца назад
I think one reason for reducing the service types, is that most tracks are pretty much at their limit. More service types reduces how many of each type can ride on a certain track.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
That would be a great argument if it were true. See, there might only be 2 service types on paper, but in reality there are still many service types. Sprinters that stop everywhere, sprinters that skip a few stations, slow intercities, fast intercities. So now you have a situation where the infrastructure is dealing with 4-5 service types, but passengers only see 2 confusing service types. They should have kept it at 3.
@jasper265
@jasper265 3 месяца назад
Recently, I was in an intercity train and we left the station more or less at the same time as a sprinter. The sprinter left first, but the intercity was quickly overtaking it. But then the sprinter came up to speed and clearly moved faster than the intercity. So it seems that the intercity got to mid speeds quicker, but then the sprinter either had a higher top speed or just reached the higher speeds faster. It wasn't at all what I had been expecting. I don't know if this was down to the capabilities of the trains. Both trains were making unplanned changes in their scheduling and the they had different destinations, so it might have been down to the track capabilities or just how the crew approached an unplanned situation...
@Thomas1980
@Thomas1980 3 месяца назад
Excellent good Video👍Thumbs Up 👍Best Greetings😀
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thank you
@thomasucc
@thomasucc 3 месяца назад
Sprinter as opposed to cycling or walking
@ElmoAsmussen
@ElmoAsmussen 3 месяца назад
We used to have 2 servicelevels: Stoptrein (stopped at every station along its route) and Intercity, which stopped only at certain major stations. Somewhere in the late 80s the ‘Sprinter’ was introduced. It is named like that because contrary to the Stoptrain, that took about as much time to reach topspeeds as an intercity, the Sprinter could reach top speed much quicker, making it more ideal for the short distances between stops. So, there you have it. A train that ‘sprints’ to its top speed: a ‘Sprinter’.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
0% of this is accurate. There used to be 3 levels, “Stoptrein, Sneltrein, and Intercity.” Sprinter trains entered service in the 80s, but “Sprinter” as a category did not begin until 2006. Which you would know if you WATCHED THE VIDEO!
@EchoTrains
@EchoTrains 3 месяца назад
in germany we have terms for like every type of service: Regionalbahn RB: Stopping train with very long distance S-Bahn: Stopping trains, often only used in big citys but Regional-Express RE: Basically a "Sneltrein" Regio-S-Bahn RS: i dont even know InterCity IC: Long Distance trains but also stopping at smaller stations like "[City]-Weststation" InterCityExpress ICE: Long Distance Trains with few stops, mostly only in main stations InterCityExpress-Sprinter ICE-Sprinter: ICE but it starts at one point, stops 1-2 times and then drives non stop to the destination which can be up to 5 hours
@nashorn9745
@nashorn9745 3 месяца назад
Don’t forget that Switzerland has 5 different names for the sprinter service black S-Bahn, red S-Bahn, black Regio, red Regio and Regio Express. Red are train that skip a few stops compared to the other trains. They normally come with numbers after the type except if it is a train that only runs in the peak.
@missitheachievementhuntres560
@missitheachievementhuntres560 3 месяца назад
I fele for that woman around the 10 min mark.. happens so much :P oh and the transition to explain sprinter was so well done!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thank you! And she seemed to have a good attitude
@SpotterCrazyperson
@SpotterCrazyperson 3 месяца назад
Nowadays you see these trains all over the place. A sprinter train on an intercity service or vice versa 😅
@Lynxfan2
@Lynxfan2 3 месяца назад
Hello Thom, I do not know if you are aware of this, however over here in Great Britain, we have the BREL Class 150 Sprinter DMU trains, the Metro Cammell Class 156 Super Sprinter DMU trains and the BREL Class 158 Express Sprinter DMU trains. Then there is the Class 153 Super Sprinter DMU train which used to be the Class 155 Super Sprinter DMU train, however most of the Class 155 were converted from two car units to single car units, hence the change from Class 155 to Class 153. There are seven Class 155 Super Sprinter DMU trains left and these can be found operating passenger services in Yorkshire. Best wishes and take care. Kind regards, Peter Skuce, St Albans. Hertfordshire. England.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Yes, I have heard of the British sprinters!
@Lynxfan2
@Lynxfan2 3 месяца назад
I should have mentioned that all of these Sprinter trains were new to British Rail's Regional Railways sector.
@RunawayTrain2502
@RunawayTrain2502 3 месяца назад
Oh, the NS corporate office in Utrecht is also pretty cool. It's a huge and beautiful 1920's office building called "the inkwell" and it has a fake flying saucer on it as an art installation.
@XKS_
@XKS_ 3 месяца назад
That’s ProRail.
@1336mg
@1336mg 3 месяца назад
Not anymore. Its just behind the Inktpot, the silver tower, former HGB4.
@rootbear75
@rootbear75 3 месяца назад
When i saw Sprinter, i thought this was going to be a video of San Diego's north county transit train that goes from Oceanside to Escondido
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
You’re not the first
@MercenaryPen
@MercenaryPen 3 месяца назад
to be fair, the UK also has sprinters operating on regional services (classes 150 through 159)
@rleeAZ
@rleeAZ 3 месяца назад
Funny this would drop today... I sprinted for a red line train in Portland today :)
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Hope you’ve caught your breath!
@Andrew-jv7tc
@Andrew-jv7tc 3 месяца назад
I choose to ride the Sprinter for short journeys when visiting NL over the IC’s because I think it’s fun to make all the stops 😅 There’s not greater thrill than stopping at Krommenie-Assendelft or Gouda Goverwelle!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Or De Vink or Lansingerland-Zoetermeer or Twello 😂
@Andrew-jv7tc
@Andrew-jv7tc 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA I changed for the better when Halfweg-Zwanenburg came into my life. Those woonbootjes in the Zijkanaal were top tier
@uncipaws7643
@uncipaws7643 3 месяца назад
From 2002 to 2006 ÖBB had a train category "Sprinter" on some lines, with fewer stops than REX (Regionalexpress) and both first and second class. Since 2019, CJX (cityjet xpress) is something similar, though with no first class: Offering shorter travel times on select routes without the restrictions of intercity trains (bicycles must be reserved, some local tickets not valid). When NS introduced the doubledeck intercity trains in 1994 they were called DD-IRM (Dubbeldeks-Interregiomaterieel) and at some point there was a plan to run them as IR (Interregio) but that was never put into practice, they are almost always used as Intercity since their introduction. Food service only seems to be offered on international services such as ICE and Eurostar (ex Thalys). Even the Intercity Amsterdam - Berlin lost its Bistro car (too old even after numerous modernizations, though that will come back once it is converted to ICE L Talgo as planned). I'm skeptical about using trains indifferently for short and long distance connections. There are still different needs: Trains with many stops need a lot of doors and short ways from the entrance to the seat and back without any interior separation. Tables would just be in the way. When distances are longer and stops are less frequent, the number of doors is reduced and passengers are given more space instead, there are separations between the seating areas and entrance rooms, and seating comfort as well as amenities such as tables and electric charging plugs become more important. (And food service as well, be it in the form of dining cars, minibars or automatic food dispensers.) Technically for a train with a lot of stops acceleration is important (as already seen in the SGM trains which were a lot faster than the Mat54 and Mat64 units that dominated until then). For a longer distance train that's a little less important than maximum speed. But to go 200 km/h or faster you need a lot of power, airtight doors, enhanced braking systems, better aerodynamics ... Among Dutch trains the ICNG is the first that can go 200 and there aren't a lot of lines allowing that yet. I like that they keep the yellow accents in the livery but there should still be a distinction between fast and slow trains. In Germany that's very emphasized with most fast trains being white and most slow trains being red.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I didn’t even know about the ÖBB Sprinters!
@mysteryman7877
@mysteryman7877 3 месяца назад
I literally thought this was a video about the San Diego Sprinter train
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Except of course the picture on the thumbnail
@rubenskiii
@rubenskiii 3 месяца назад
Today i realized that i am old enough to remmember our trains rocking Adidas stripes, and damn i feel nostalgic and old now.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I’m old enough to remember the stripes too!
@Cubssuck73892
@Cubssuck73892 3 месяца назад
Keep doing the skits they are funny
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Thank you, I will
@wdubbelo
@wdubbelo 3 месяца назад
the term stoptrein is still used by NS when older intercity stock runs as stoptrein on sections like hoorn kersenboogerd-enkhuizen where they still call them either intercity(because after reaching hoorn station they switch to IC from stoptrein or stoptreinen altho its more because they cant run sprinters along the line together with IC so the IC has to serve all stations due to NS and these days prorail never bothering to double track the line to enkhuizen altho they did double track hoorn-hoorn kersenboogerd to make better use of the siding at kersenboogerd for turning around the sprinters without taking up space at hoorn
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
No, NS does not use the word stoptrein anymore. Even when they stop everywhere, those trains are called Intercity.
@vanderhooftamvl6587
@vanderhooftamvl6587 3 месяца назад
Right now because of the SNG and Flirt trains, SLT trains are used more frequently for Intercity services
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Oof, SLT on intercity, that’s brutal
@Canleaf08
@Canleaf08 3 месяца назад
Regional Bahn stop everywhere and might go shorter routes. Like the RMV RB51 Frankfurt to Wächtersbach. RB51 is the same trainset, which serves the RegionalExpress RE50 from Frankfurt to Fulda. Same Dosto bilevel trains. But the smaller stops like Wirtsheim and Hanau Wolfgang are left out here. In Europe, the train categories are regulated and harmonized by CIV rules.
@Canleaf08
@Canleaf08 3 месяца назад
Then there is the hard separation of Regionalverkehr and Fernverkehr in Germany, which is more softer in other countries.
@dennisvanheck3232
@dennisvanheck3232 3 месяца назад
It's true, the same goes for sprinter trains in oceanside california
@sammymarrco2
@sammymarrco2 3 месяца назад
id love to see a video ab the Rotterdam metro that was sent to the Hauge, kinda of crazy a metro runs thru farmland.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
That can be arranged
@sashakimknechtinruprecht
@sashakimknechtinruprecht 3 месяца назад
I thank you for this great video, giving deep insights into the dutch way of passenger railroad operations and their history, including those important informations like the invention of the "starre dienstregeling" with every-hour-on-the-same-minute departures. Even before "spoorslag 70" - when the trains changed their color to a bright yellow and beneath the timetables a lot of other things changed, there were some hourly services on a repeating schedule pattern introduced as early as in 1938 - but at first only on selected very important lines where electrification had taken place and the then new "stroomlijnmaterieel" was introduced. Please allow me one annotation about one of the historic trains shown in this video: The train at 4:35 is not a dutch one, but a german steam loco, operating at the Historische Eisenbahn in Frankfurt am Main, next to Eiserner Steg station.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I know it’s a German locomotive: I filmed it. But similar locomotives have run in the Netherlands and it was just b-roll. I only have so much steam footage.
@adyy83
@adyy83 3 месяца назад
I love Sprinters. Every time I come to visit my friends in the Netherlands I love to ride one of these trains. Even if they stop at all stations in my opinion they look better than the old Intercity trains. Actually I think they have also upgraded the Intercity trains in the Netherlands but I have not yet ridden one of these new trains yet. So for now I prefer the way these trains look compare to the Intercity ones.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
There are lots of upgraded intercity trains running around now! But nothing will beat the classic Koploper Intercity trains...
@chickenpommes19
@chickenpommes19 3 месяца назад
Railway classifications are always tricky. Something that's happening your larger neighbor is IC services getting scrapped and replaced by ICE, all it does is water down the premium brands and leave you with two options: Always expensive but often not really fast and the other option is cheap but takes eons to get places. I'm a big fan of proper train classification tho, it beats systems like the UK where its just the 17:26 to Woolbridge-upon-River without any further information.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Good points!
@user-ii6gg3ov2x
@user-ii6gg3ov2x 3 месяца назад
Sadly that’s the case for LA A and E lines. They’re very slow and stop for tens of stations. Why no express trains in LA? So sad!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Probably no passing tracks
@JelleCraftYT
@JelleCraftYT 3 месяца назад
you also have the ICD (intercity direct), normaly the dutch rails runs at max 140km/h but the ICD also goes on the high speed tracks at 160km/h on some parts of there line (the high seed track in the netherlands cant go up high at all i think the max for all trains is 200km/h cause the ground in the netherlands isnt fit for any higer speeds)
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Nope, Eurostar trains go 300 km/h. And Intercity Direct is just a rebranding to make people forget all the negative feelings about the Fyra.
@JelleCraftYT
@JelleCraftYT 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA do they also go 300 when they are on the ground in the netherlands or just when they are ontop off a bridge or in the ground. i know that the ground is weak here if you look at den haag going to leiden the rail moved a lot, there are also corners where you cant go the speed it was origanlly build for cause the rail moves more if you go faster. i know this because my dad drives for NS, he doesnt drive high speed tho but i tought there was a lower limed.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@JelleCraftYT yeah the ground is very weak. They have to rebuild a lot of the HSL because of that, you’re right.
@JoelHaasnoot
@JoelHaasnoot 3 месяца назад
As someone who has worked in the depicted HQ - quite accurate! ;)
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Hahaha no offense!
@seprishere
@seprishere 3 месяца назад
The class 150 stopping trains were called "Sprinters" by British Rail...
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
It’s a common name!
@arsenique6478
@arsenique6478 3 месяца назад
hai, leuke video! eerlijk, wanneer mogelijk neem ik liever een IC ipv een sprinter - zelfs als mijn reis daardoor langer duurt rond het einde van de video had je het erover dat de NS de distinctie tussen sprinter en IC wil vervagen.. Ik vraag me af hoeveel dat meespeelde bij het bestellen van de ICNGs, die voelen namelijk aan als.. sprinters.. in de slechtste zin van het woord (luid, oncomfortabel, korte bakken, weinig capaciteit) - ik word er niet bepaald enthousiast van
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Ik heb zelf nog nooit met de ICNG gereisd, dus over comfort kan ik niks zeggen. Maar van wat ik heb gezien lijkt me dat de SNG beter ontworpen is, i.i.g. qua waar het voor bedoeld is.
@SlaghathortheGreat
@SlaghathortheGreat 3 месяца назад
9:57 not just the NS, water connection between Rotterdam and the sea is called “de nieuwe waterweg” even though it was opened in 1872.
@LeafHuntress
@LeafHuntress 3 месяца назад
New College Oxford is from 1379...
@ggspeed23
@ggspeed23 3 месяца назад
1:00 Thats quite a lucky fetch. Most of the times, you don't see CP 2600's running IC trains. Then again, that might be the Interregional train from Figueira da Foz/Porto-São Bento to Valença, in that case it would be quite common seeing that they are the only locomotive that runs that service.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I think it might have been the IR but honestly you’d only know if you’re an expert such as yourself
@motioncompensation1544
@motioncompensation1544 3 месяца назад
After the Sprinter NG, they will introduce the Sprinter Max.
@Thommygun-qv7um
@Thommygun-qv7um 3 месяца назад
Thank you for mentioning the german system. I want to add a "few" things: It is kinda messy as well when you have systems with an S-Bahn, Regionalbahn and Regionalexpress, all doing basicly the same but slightly different. In Berlin it clear cut. S-Bahn has its own infractructure (build on the third rail system), Regionalbahnen link to the surrounding countryside and Regionalexpress connects cities that are farther away but still kinda in the same region. Then you go to Munich or Frankfurt where the S-Bahn is basicly a kind of Regionalbahn (using the same infrastructure and overhead wires like all other trains) and the Regionalbahnen behave like S-Bahnen or Regionalexpress sometimes. And that is just the local traffic. Which is usually done by by several companies within the Deutsche Bahn concern, which are themselves united (somehow) under the umbrella of a regional subcompany of the local traffic division of the DB, DB Regio) or even a private operator. Long distance trains are operated by whole separate company within Deutsche Bahn, DB Fernverkehr. At that is ignoring all the local public transport companies, owned by cities or counties, which are kinda linked as well.... It is a mess, escepially for foreigners... At least there is some kind of a unified fair structure in this whole mess and you can use the DB Navigator APP everywhere in germany. THOM, are the fair structures between NS and the private operators linked. Do you have something similar to the Deutschlandticket? Also, I am still stunned when you told as some videos ago that the Netherlands did not bother to open up the whole network, but only branch lines for local operators. While NS kept the mainlines. IMO that is not a fair competition.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
No, the fares are not integrated unfortunately.
@kempo_95
@kempo_95 3 месяца назад
The Dutch government actually has some major arguments with the European union about the fact they give most of the network to NS. Personally however, I don't know if it's a good idea to give more lines to other companies. NS now has a schedule that's very tightly packed, the transfer times are minimal and it's already so much work to make a nationwide schedule. If more lines are given to other companies, it will probably require more transfers when you make a trip and therefore more time. And the transfer times might get bigger when the companies compete for time slots. It can potentially reduce the costs if more companies compete, but that's never a guarantee. There are also arguments to nationalize the entire rail system.
@hekkensnatser
@hekkensnatser 3 месяца назад
It's definitely true that the difference between services is not all that clear. Some intercities run like sprinters, stopping at every station. At the very least, the intercity to Vlissingen did until recently, when an actual sprinter service was added. One thing you didn't mention in the video was the intercity direct, which does run like a faster intercity. That being said, intercity direct only runs in a few places and sometimes runs the exact same route as the normal intercity does.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Intercity direct didn’t really feel relevant here since it’s basically just the branding of one service and I’ve already made so many videos about ICD
@Cupertinorail
@Cupertinorail 3 месяца назад
Aw Sprinter is in San Diego too but word on the street is that it isn't fast as expected too. That's what I heard from a friend. Also in France I think it's called TER and RER. Found out about the French stuff because I am 1. a diehard railfan 2. Other train RU-vidrs talk about it.
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
sprinter is a really good name when you think about the passenger. sprinting is quickly traversing short distances. the sprinter is a perfect train for this. because there are many more of them. in the city i lived in. there was a sprinter train in the station about 4 times more often than there is an intercity. aside from that. there are multiple stations in the city. and only one of them the intercity stopped at. so we would take the sprinter to the main station and then get on the intercity from there. the sprinter is the sprinter because we used it to quickly get from our homes to the city centre. or to neighboring villages. it was much faster than taking the bus. or even the car.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
It makes sense for rolling stock but not as much for a train service. Or do you consider Zwolle-Meppel or Purmerend-Hoorn a short distance?
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA each stop is a short distance. what part of this aren't you getting? if you need to go the full route. did it ever occur to you to just use the goddamn intercity and only use the sprinter for the last bit?
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@darkracer1252 ik ben een Nederlander die jaren met IC en sprinter heeft gereisd. En ik accepteer niet dat je zo brutaal tegen me doet, dat is nergens voor nodig. Stel je vraag op een normale manier en dan kunnen we verder praten.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Wat een kinderachtig gedrag 😂 het is wel duidelijk wie de autist is. Als ik onder een trein beland, zie ik je in de hel. Goed?
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA de gene die de autist is. is de gene die denkt dat de maximum constructie snelheid hetzelfde is als de maximum toegestaande snelheid. of dat een van die twee hetzelfde is als de gemiddelde snelheid. die intercity is niet veel sneller dan de sprinter. het enige waar de intercity zijn "snelheid" vandaan krijgt is het overslaan van stations.
@urheadset3584
@urheadset3584 3 месяца назад
Quick correction, the NS has not always been a private company. The NS is what became after the rebranding of the SS (the StaatsSpoorwegen, not the other SS) and was a semi-governmental company and got completely privatised over the years 1995 to 2002. This is when they also stopped their freight services.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Not true. NS has always been a naamloze vennootschap, with 100% of shares owned by the government. What changed in 1995 is that NS Reizigers was founded, and the other tasks were given new companies. It is crazy to me how many people don’t know their history. Yet feel like they can correct me.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Also NS is not a rebranding of SS, it’s when SS, HIJSM, and some other companies merged into a new company.
@wesla2768
@wesla2768 3 месяца назад
Woerden Utrecht you have that 3 stations are skipped
@renefrijhoff2484
@renefrijhoff2484 3 месяца назад
Originally the train types (diesel locs, diesel trains, electric locs and electric trains) had a different color each. Dark-green, a bit lighter green, grey, azure-blue, dark blue, light blue, red, brown, turquoise, lilac to indicate if they were diesel for passengers, diesel for freight, electric for passengers, electric for freight, if they were locs, a complete trainset or freight cars. Older trains would also have a 'moustache' like mat '54 aka 'Hondekop' (lit. doghead) or 'angel wings' like mat '36 aka 'Blauwe Engel' (lit. Blue Angel and a special one called 'The Camel'). If you want to see pictures, just search for the Dutch names: Mat '24/Blokkendoos, Mat '34, Mat '36/blauwe engel, De Kameel (which transported the rockband Queen at one time), mat '46/muizekop (lit. mouse head), mat '54/hondekop, mat '64/Apekop (lit. monkey head), NS 1000, NS 1100, NS 1200, NS 1300, NS 1500, NS 1600/1700/1800 (the original 1600's had the name of cities), NS 2400/2500 (there is a special one: 2530 which is called Bishop), NS 2200/2300. The NS 1400 exists only as a concept, it was never made. Then there was also the NS100/200/300 (locomotor) and NS 500/600/700 (the English class 08) nicknamed 'Hippel'.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
NS had inderdaad heel veel mooi oud materieel! Ik heb een keer ooit de Kameel langs zien rijden, in Leiden.
@atiedebee1020
@atiedebee1020 3 месяца назад
This naming is the reason I accidentally went to another city instead of 2 stops further once
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Oops… hopefully the place you ended up was nice lol
@JeffMiletich
@JeffMiletich 3 месяца назад
Wearing a jacket you kinda look like Dave Foley from the Canadian comic troupe/ TV show "The Kids In The Hall"
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I guess I'll have to look them up
@mewosh_
@mewosh_ 3 месяца назад
Not very much on the topic but I'm recently seeing a lot of DM90s in the NS livery in in south-eastern Poland and I think it's interesting
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Those are being repainted to a red livery for SPKL! And don't worry, it's on topic. Back when NS had diesel lines, the services using DM'90 were called Sprinter too!
@mewosh_
@mewosh_ 3 месяца назад
I can tell you that everyone here who uses SKPL is very excited for these trains to finally replace the older fleet. They'll be much better than the current trains.
@3limin4t0r
@3limin4t0r 3 месяца назад
I mean "sprinting" is running fast for a short distance, that's exactly what the train is doing.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Holy crap you might be onto something. I wonder if the guy who made the video knows this. Why don’t we watch the video and actually see for ourselves??
@IamTheHolypumpkin
@IamTheHolypumpkin 3 месяца назад
Well the b roll at 4:36 is definitely not from the Netherlands, this in Frankfurt Germany in front of the Eisener Steg.
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 3 месяца назад
Indeed, it's the harbour line along the Main.
@nielsdebakker3283
@nielsdebakker3283 3 месяца назад
It is called sprinter because it is lighter and faster than the stoptrein it replaced. Lighter means faster accelleration in both starting and stopping. It also means they are faster out of the way of intercities in places where there are no four parallel tracks.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Hoi Niels. Dacht je echt dat ik een vraag zou stellen, een 12-minuten-lange video zou maken, en de vraag niet zou beantwoorden? Kijk alsjeblieft tot het eind voordat je zelf antwoord geeft. En nog even inhoudelijk, de SGM was niet veel lichter dan de eerdere intercity treinen. En ze hebben niet meteen de stoptrein vervangen. De naam stoptrein verviel pas in 2011, 30 jaar na de eerste sprinter.
@larsjarredspeetjens
@larsjarredspeetjens 3 месяца назад
08:28 this is not true in Zeeland the Intercity operates as a stoptrein (like the sprinters) to service smaller villages.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Half of the Intercity trains in Zeeland only stop at Goes and Middelburg. Plus, if you watched the rest of the video, you would know how I feel about slow intercities like the one in Zeeland.
@LQC2556
@LQC2556 3 месяца назад
6:39 Alright now what is going on with that part of RandstadRail in Zoetermeer...
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
It was built as a loop. Now the loop even had a branch!
@tim19962
@tim19962 3 месяца назад
Please make the video on randstad rail it sounds really intresting!
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Okay, will do!
@rbrouns9569
@rbrouns9569 3 месяца назад
Very good explanation. NS has ordered new trains from CAF. These trains are combined single and double decker trains like the German Siemens Desiro HC. The trains would fit the new NS strategy perfect.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I am looking forward to the DDNG!
@rbrouns9569
@rbrouns9569 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA When they are as good as the Desiro HC, then NS would have a pretty impressive new train. Living near Herzogenrath station i have some experience with the RRX Desiro HC trainsets and i find them very comfortable.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
@@rbrouns9569 I've been on the RRX Desiro HC once and I was impressed too!
@Daniel-hj8el
@Daniel-hj8el 3 месяца назад
7:16 Dang I thought Cleveland transit were weird, unusual, and I thought that the only Lightrail and Metro in one rail
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Nope, you can actually find several examples in Europe! Duisburg in Germany is another example
@history_leisure
@history_leisure 3 месяца назад
The Sprinter Max? that's the generation after the 737 NG, I guess they could also call them the Neo like Airbus
@apotato5563
@apotato5563 3 месяца назад
"Intercity" amsterdam-vlissingen in 2021 was a great example of how not to name a train or the ic to den helder. Technically we do have a 3rd class of trains (intercity direct) but that's just an intercity that takes the hsl
@SanderEvers
@SanderEvers 3 месяца назад
Good video, but you forgot one unique train type the Netherlands has: The IntercityDirect. Which only has 4 major city stops: Amsterdam, Schiphol, Rotterdam and Breda. Which makes it a faster Intercity :)
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I did not forget. It’s not relevant to this video, since it’s just a variation of an intercity. I also skipped ICE, Eurostar, etc. I’ve made several videos about Intercity Direct, maybe you should watch those.
@quillanw2506
@quillanw2506 3 месяца назад
Would you count the ICD (Intercity direct) as a third type of service? I would, so i'm a bit confused why you didn't mention it
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Maybe because I’ve already made several videos about intercity direct? Or maybe because Intercity direct mostly runs on its own line? And because it’s basically just a marketing trick to make people forget about the FYRA. It’s why I didn’t mention Eurostar, ICE etc. There’s no reason to complicate things.
@George-fu9vu
@George-fu9vu 3 месяца назад
Thank you so much for finally giving me confirmation! This always "annoyed" me. But my conclusion was the same reason stoplight became traffic lights. Speed cameras became safety cameras. The Dutch social security number used to be called sofi number (social fiscal) but needed to be changed for some reason. It is a number given to every citizen, let's call it a citizen number? No, that makes the citizens feel like a number. Let's add the word service. It is now called citizen service number or BSN (burger service number). Many people call it their BSN number and my autism really doesn't like that:-) BS number or BSN. (BSN bit is from Harry Jekkers). My mother in-law was in a committee that had a budget of over €200,000 to think of hew names for 10 things in the city, not the actual renaming, just to come up with names.
@dennyroozeboom4795
@dennyroozeboom4795 3 месяца назад
You kind of did forget 1 service. The intercity direct. Functioning as a the old intercity/super express on some routes.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I didn’t forget. I left it out on purpose. It’s totally irrelevant to this video and I’ve already made many videos about ICD.
@hugovriesen8518
@hugovriesen8518 3 месяца назад
Nice video! One thing: Keolis operates also with the name 'Sprinter' at the lines Kampen-Zwolle, Zwolle-Enschede and Amersfoort-Ede.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
That is true. I never really understood why.
@frankbernotimm3031
@frankbernotimm3031 3 месяца назад
The Deutsche Bahn uses Spirnter as a name also
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Yes, but for their fast trains
@Nils_Ki
@Nils_Ki 3 месяца назад
Siemens used it for a locomotive, the EuroSprinter.
@treinspotter.belgie
@treinspotter.belgie 3 месяца назад
Trains in belgium: Local trains = stops at every station Stoptrains = close to a city and stops at every station Intercity's = stops at cities peak hour trains = rides at the bussiest moment Express trains = rides in summer to coastal cities charter trains = trains that run exceptionally extra trains = replacement train or as an extra train Touristic train = goes to tourist places Intercity tourist train = goes to tourist places in cities Service trains = for people who work at the railways
@sheeple04
@sheeple04 3 месяца назад
Arriva uses the word Sneltrein on some routes. So the three name system is still around and kicking in the regional game, as a lot of routes in the north (Friesland, Groningen), east (Drenthe, Overijssel) and southeast (Limburg) have routes that feature a train that stops everywhere, so a Stoptrein, and a train that doesnt stop at the small village stations but does at towns, but would be weird to call it Intercity as it stops at a lot of what arent cities and more big villages/towns. InterCity isnt used as much by regional operators as they mostly operate smaller routes, but Keolis (Blauwnet) uses it on Enschede-Zwolle. Arriva and Keolis also introduced the two letter + two number system that Germany also has, but with RS (Regionale Stoptrein), RE (Regionale Expresstrein, so confusingly, thats Sneltrein) and IC (InterCity) Adding a bit more confusion to the mix, Blauwnet seems to be unsure if RS means Regionale Stoptrein or Regionale Sprinter. The NS app says Blauwnet Sprinter. Edit: on that last one, seems the inconsistency is partially Keolis? RS23 Zwolle-Enschede and RS22 Zwolle-Kampen are called Sprinter, all others Stoptrein. However, Keolis used to operate RS20 Oldenzaal-Zutphen, which they always called Stoptrein... is the criteria diesel? Im going crazy here
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
I appreciate you laying this all out, but I should tell you that if you had watched to the end of the video you would hear me say this.
@sheeple04
@sheeple04 3 месяца назад
​@@Thom-TRAYeah i did, just felt like it could perhaps used a bit more then a brief mention (great video however, ive heard of more foreigners that the term Sprinter feels weird to them whilst NL is used to it), though regional operators use the terms in a bit weird way sometimes so thats why i wrote that up and... rambled on for too long
@5mnz7fg
@5mnz7fg 3 месяца назад
I have a question concerning Dutch trains: As far as I know the maximum speed on standard tracks (non-high-speed tracks) in the Netherlands is 140km/h. Why exactly is that?
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
There's a number of reasons. First, distances between stations are generally pretty short. Second, not all trains have historically been capable of speeds above 140. But most importantly, in many places, the ground is too soft, where higher speeds would damage the tracks. The line between Zwolle and Lelystad, between Schiphol and Leiden, and between Amsterdam and Utrecht are designed for higher speeds, but domestic trains still only do 140.
@frafraplanner9277
@frafraplanner9277 3 месяца назад
I believe it's the signalling system they use
@123ricardo210
@123ricardo210 3 месяца назад
@@frafraplanner9277 the safety system is also a large problem in addition to ground/infra in some places. A lot of lines can also support 160 but, the main safety system can only handle 140 (although the European system is being introduced allowing for higher speeds)
@5mnz7fg
@5mnz7fg 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRAI see. Yes, I can imagine that a good deal of the Netherlands is build on swamp and peat.
@ukeyaoitrash2618
@ukeyaoitrash2618 3 месяца назад
​@@5mnz7fg And we are a really small country, if I go all the way from Groningen to Maastricht which is almost the longest possible route in the country from top to bottom its like max 4 hours Most trips of course much shorter. So no need for high speed trains. It makes sense in Germany France etc because they're much bigger.
@szymex22
@szymex22 3 месяца назад
That was interesting. Always seemed odd that these were called sprinter. As for the amount of train categories, I can see the advantages of having only 2. The frequency can be kept higher than if it was 3 categories, network has less congestion, easier to plan and synchronize timetable. Transfers are very easy and painless on Dutch railways partially due to high frequency of trains.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
But there are only 2 on the marketing side of things. Schedule-wise, there are still 3 or 4 categories. Because some Sprinters actually skip stations now, and some Intercities stop at stations that others do not. I want a separate name for each already existing category. That wouldn't change anything related to congestion.
@szymex22
@szymex22 3 месяца назад
@@Thom-TRA in that case, I agree that they should be more clearly separated
@ifer1280
@ifer1280 3 месяца назад
I agree that merging the sneltrein and intercity is a shame, and I would add that removing the distinctive looks of sprinters is a detriment to travelers as well. Having a distinct look really helps you know what type of train you're about to board
@Anonymous-sb9rr
@Anonymous-sb9rr 3 месяца назад
Tripping your opponent is the best way to win a race.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
If you have good insurance of course
@patrickpirzer4080
@patrickpirzer4080 3 месяца назад
Good advertising is everything. ☺
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Truly
@Blueaplles
@Blueaplles 3 месяца назад
in the UK they have a train family called "Sprinters" they have a top speed of 75-90 mph and are cheap trains
@mersereaux
@mersereaux 3 месяца назад
@5:33 this dude used some footage from madurodam. Respect.
@Thom-TRA
@Thom-TRA 3 месяца назад
Was my most-watched video for many years
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