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Our daily tours since the beginning of the shutdown have talked about all kinds of things that go on the rails. Today our topic is the track themselves. Why are rails spaced out the way they are? Are all tracks the same? What about in other countries? Learn more on this daily video from the Lake Superior Railroad Museum in Duluth, Minnesota.
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@neiloflongbeck5705
@neiloflongbeck5705 11 месяцев назад
The story of the rail gauge being 4ft 8.5in because of the Roman's is just that a story. The Stockton and Darlington Railway was originally built to 4ft 8in to allow the passage of colliery wagons which were often of this gauge. This gauge was originally called Stephenson Gauge, it was later increased to 4ft 8.5in. It didn't get called Standard Gauge until the passage of the Railway Regulation (Gauge) Act of 1846 when the standard gauge for railways in Britain was set at 4ft 8.5in (in Ireland it was set at 5ft 3in or Irish Standard Gauge). This Act didn't prevent the building of lines to the Brunel Gauge of 7ft 0.25in, but these lines had to physically connect to lines already built to the Brunel gauge.
@heronimousbrapson863
@heronimousbrapson863 2 года назад
The actual reason Russia adopted the five foot gauge (according to my information) was that the Russian government hired an American railroad engineer, George Whistler (father of the painter, James McNeill Whistler) to construct the first railroads in the country. Whistler was most familiar with the five foot gauge, which was common in the United States in the 19th century.
@alanr.koenig5871
@alanr.koenig5871 2 года назад
I believe you are correct. Back in 1987 or so I perused a book about Russian railroads which was written by a Brit named Woodward (I think). He spoke of the 5 foot gauge that served the royal family from St. Petersburg to Tsarskoe Celo, about five miles I think. Builders followed the royal precedent after that, and it did complicate invasion efforts by the Central Powers and later the Axis.
@Cnw8701
@Cnw8701 Год назад
Broad Gauge was more common in the Southeastern United States as a result of the Confederacy preventing the Union (who used Standard and Narrow Gauge tracks) from invading their territory by rail.
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
@centredoorplugsthornton4112 9 месяцев назад
Story is Russia also used 5 ft gauge to thwart any invasion from outside.
@heronimousbrapson863
@heronimousbrapson863 9 месяцев назад
@@centredoorplugsthornton4112 That may indeed have been a side benefit. However, it would also make it difficult for Russia to conduct military campaigns in Europe as well.
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
@centredoorplugsthornton4112 9 месяцев назад
@@heronimousbrapson863 did advancing Russian forces really rebuild tracks to 5 ft gauge as they moved along? Some say the invading Germans rebuild Soviet tracks to standard gauge.
@jamesf791
@jamesf791 4 года назад
Another great video. My kudos to all who made this video. Thank you very much. Be safe and healthy please.
@davegreenlaw5654
@davegreenlaw5654 2 года назад
The 'Toronto gauge' came about because, as the more popular story goes, city fathers did not want heavy train cars running down the middle of Toronto streets. Thus, all of Toronto's streetcar network and three of the four subway lines use this gauge. (The Scarborough RT and the soon-to-open Egglinton LRT use standard gauge.)
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 2 года назад
There is some dispute about the reason for Toronto gauge. See the Wikipedia article about Toronto gauge for details.
@ralphgiles4754
@ralphgiles4754 11 месяцев назад
Sir, for information....in the UK we spell gauge like this. Aside from this, excellent channel.
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
@centredoorplugsthornton4112 9 месяцев назад
Most recent example of using a track gauge different from all other lines: the Gautrain in South Africa. One reason for its use of standard gauge may be to prevent encroachment by any other rail system in South Africa, which all run on 1065mm Cape Gauge. More practically, the Gautrain uses Bombardier Electrostar EMUs designed for regional rail in the UK but modified for the Gautrain.
@michaelmather7352
@michaelmather7352 11 месяцев назад
The actual width was decided in Northern England when colleiry horses pulled wagons first of all on wooden beams ,then changed to iron rails for durabilty ,the width was so a horse could walk between , the first tracks were not fixed on sleepers but on little supports , a section of original track still exists in northern England.
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 2 года назад
The list of wide gauge included the "Toronto" or "TTC" gauge. This is used for the streetcars and subways, though not the new LRT lines, which are standard gauge. There are two reasons given for the wide gauge. One is so that wheeled wagons could fit the rails and the other was to keep steam powered railway locomotives off those tracks. Also, the Canadian province of Newfoundland had a narrow gauge line, but it was pulled up several years ago, leaving no railway at all in the province. Prior to that, the trucks on the rail cars were swapped, out when the cars were moved to/from the ferry boats that connected Newfoundland with Nova Scotia. One interesting bit of trivia is there was one stretch of track where the trains had to be tied down during storms, to keep them from being blown over. This railway was also the longest narrow gauge line on the continent. BTW, you have "gauge" spelled incorrectly in the title.
@matgeezer2094
@matgeezer2094 2 года назад
Just so folks know, you have 3 rails in much of the UK, but it isn't to enable different gauges. The 3rd rail lies outside the normal 2 and is a power line. You DO NOT want to touch this, it is seriously high voltage and will fry you. Just thought I'd put this comment for people who aren't used to electrified rails. Really good vids by the way.
@jasonirwin4631
@jasonirwin4631 2 года назад
The electrified 3rd rail is a thing in the US although it is usually the inside rail not a outside rail. New York subways are probably the most famous 3rd rail electric trains.
@pmsteamrailroading
@pmsteamrailroading 2 года назад
@@jasonirwin4631 I can’t think of a single example of an inside third rail. (Expect for Lionel). New York subway is an outside rail. Chicago EL is outside. The tunnel approaches to New York stations are outside. Detroit Michigan central station was outside third rail. Can you list any that use an inside rail?
@James_Knott
@James_Knott 2 года назад
Toronto subways have a 3rd rail, though it's a bit removed from the mail rails and is covered to prevent accidental contact.
@Darknamja
@Darknamja 2 года назад
@@pmsteamrailroading I too remember the 3rd rail being outside and covered with wood for safety. 😉
@benwetzel8449
@benwetzel8449 4 года назад
Fun fact, the smallest public railway in the world is the British Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway, with 15 inch track
@Coltnz1
@Coltnz1 11 месяцев назад
Per Wiki - From 1926 to 1978, the RH&DR held the title of the "Smallest public railway in the world" (in terms of track gauge). The title was lost to the 12+1⁄4 in (311 mm) gauge Réseau Guerlédan in France in 1978[17] and regained in 1979 when that line closed. It was lost again in 1982 when the 10+1⁄4 in (260 mm) gauge Wells and Walsingham Light Railway opened.
@andrewdarley8988
@andrewdarley8988 7 месяцев назад
The Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway in the English Lake District is also a public railway which runs on 15 inch gauge. However I believe it was converted from an earlier wider gauge mineral railway and is thus younger than the RHDR in its present form.
@johnclayton6676
@johnclayton6676 4 года назад
Another broad gauge was Brunel's Great Western Railway in the UK, gauge of 7 feet and 1/4 inch (2,140mm)
@WILLIAM1690WALES
@WILLIAM1690WALES 10 месяцев назад
The presenter was good, but it would’ve been relevant. if he’d have made some reference to Britain, the home of the railway and many inventions that came from the British
@kevinrichards3288
@kevinrichards3288 2 года назад
I was wondering why that track on the right has 3 rails & now I know. I learn something new everyday.
@stephenkehl7158
@stephenkehl7158 2 года назад
The story about standard gauge being based on Roman chariot wheels being exactly 4’ 8.5” is a fallacy- many mine railroads in Great Britain used whatever gauge their engineers chose and seemed appropriate for their particular conditions. George Stephenson worked for a mining company that used 4’ 8”, but he found the equipment was binding on the curves so he added an extra half inch. He carried that over to other projects, it became Great Britain’s standard gauge, it migrated to the United States with imported steam locomotives, and there you have it. Stephenson remarked in later years that he should have used a broader gauge.
@coloradostrong8285
@coloradostrong8285 2 года назад
No doubt. Wagon wheels do not make an "exact" width over the course of any amount of time. They vary, especially with hub wear.
@longforgotten4823
@longforgotten4823 4 года назад
I did the narrow gauge trip up pikes peak in Colorado. What a trip!
@richardcordes2572
@richardcordes2572 4 года назад
Thanks Ken, for mentioning the Caledonia Mississippi Western RR and look forward to more on the historic CM&W boxcar
@flamefighter37able
@flamefighter37able 4 года назад
Hey Ken I've ben watching this videos and love them, I'm from North Central PA but you for got a narrow gauge that was closed but is open again and that is The East Broad Top in Central PA.
@crockett11000
@crockett11000 2 года назад
Love those SOO LINE engines!
@david33mtrb
@david33mtrb 11 месяцев назад
As a historian, I spent years researching this topic. I have yet to find a single reputable source that can definitively link the width the Roman chariot wheels to the 4 feet, 8 1/2 inch gauge established by George Stephenson, an English civil engineer and mechanical engineer during the Industrial Revolution, renowned as the "Father of Railways.”
@scheisstag
@scheisstag 6 месяцев назад
As someone already pointed out: the roman story is just a myth: there are ten common used gauges for railroads. If there would have been a standard already set in roman times we should see only one: the roman chariot gauge. In addition the claim, that they used the same tools for the roman wagons and the railroad is clearly false: the roman chariots were mainly made of wood. The railroad is made of iron. You cant use the same tool on iron and on wood. Also: the tool you use to cut the axis of a roman chariot, of lets say randomly: 1 meter, is a saw. If locomotives were made out of wood. And you wanted their axis to be 2 meter wide. You would use the same saw. There is no saw for one meter of wood. And another for wood of 2 meter length. So the argument: they used the same tools. Thats why the ended up with the same width, makes no sense. (And they indeed used wooden wheels for the first carts in mines: but this carts all had smaller width than 1435 mm.) Also: you cant randomly chose the width of a chariot: there are reasons for the width: for example you want two horses to fit between the wheels. You cant randomly chose the width of a train track: there are advantages and disadvantages for small/wide gauges. For example radius of the curve: The one you chose depends of the landscape and the amount of money you can spent on tunnels to avoid curves and so on and so on. So the people in the past were not that stupid to ignore this arguments and stick to outdated arguments form the horse era.
@shamrock1961
@shamrock1961 4 года назад
Hey Ken, how about a video about what it takes to repair the track(s) along the Scenic Railroad spur. I am sure you have some information that you can sure. I've watch a lot of unique rail and tie repairs and replacement here on youtube from Europe. Great series as usual! Look forward to watching all the new ones. :-)
@southernrailwayfan1338
@southernrailwayfan1338 4 года назад
What about the Durango and silverton railroad it used to be part of the same railroad that the c&t was part of same locomotives same cars and great views
@captaintorch983
@captaintorch983 6 месяцев назад
Both were part of the Denver and Rio Grande Western line which was originally 3ft gauge.
@Spinolio
@Spinolio 2 года назад
Oh man, that misspelling in the thumbnail though...
@alfa4pete
@alfa4pete 2 года назад
Interesting video, but a RR museum really ought to know how to spell ‘gauge’.
@Adamdaj
@Adamdaj 3 года назад
The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority ( SEPTA ) Market Frankford Line is 5' 2 1/4". SEPTA's Broad Street Subway is standard gauge, but has it's own system so it doesn't interchange or share with SEPTA REGIONAL RAIL
@trepicks
@trepicks 10 месяцев назад
No mention of George Stephenson adopting 4ft 81/2in for the first railways (roads) in north east England which then spread?
@alanr.koenig5871
@alanr.koenig5871 2 года назад
Good video. Keep 'em coming!
@thetlcking8969
@thetlcking8969 2 года назад
Great Video! I was wondering how combined gauges go through switches? Pehaps a future video!
@NorthShoreScenicRailroadDuluth
@NorthShoreScenicRailroadDuluth 2 года назад
Good question! - Lots of frogs! Ha.... it just requires more jointers, but we do have a dual-guage switch right next to where we were shooting this! We should have gotten a shot of it.
@clevelandexplorer2221
@clevelandexplorer2221 2 года назад
You really have a contageous way about you of positivity and friendliness, I love it :)
@richardnelson-ux1zz
@richardnelson-ux1zz 8 месяцев назад
The originally the tracks were narrow gauge track then someone in the 1800s the track was changed to standard size of 4fr 8.5 inches wide
@marleneplatcek6364
@marleneplatcek6364 4 года назад
Also the Silverton Railroad in Colorado is narrow gadge, Pikes Peek has narrow gadge incline
@bcgrittner8076
@bcgrittner8076 2 года назад
I should have known it was some horses back end that came up with the gauge. I think I recall Hitler having one of his design engineers conceptualizing a “Super Train” that had a gauge of three meters. It never got off the drawing board. There was also a TV show named “Super Train”. Let’s not go there.
@andrewdarley8988
@andrewdarley8988 7 месяцев назад
Serious doubts about the Roman chariot wheel theory. The most convincing explanation I have had is that the original wagon ways ran with the wheels between outside flanges on the rails set at the sensible distance of 5 feet. When they moved to flanged wheels 4 foot 8 1/2 allow them to keep the same track bed/supports.
@AdurianJ
@AdurianJ 3 года назад
Finland according to legend measured the russian gauge wrong and that is why they are off by a few milimeters. You also need four rails if you wand to combine standard gauge with russian gauge. A good example is the Swedish Finnish border in Haparanda where the bridge over the border river has four rails. P.S. in Sweden its still a Wagon
@beeble2003
@beeble2003 2 года назад
Freight cars are usually called wagons in the UK, too.
@tapioleva9851
@tapioleva9851 2 года назад
I have heard that both Finland and Russia originally had 1524 mm (5') gauge but Soviets wanted to make it more "metric" and converted theirs to 1520 mm. I guess the small difference doesn't really matter given how often I see Russian freight cars here in Tampere.
@TrainBandit
@TrainBandit Год назад
What do you recommend for an area with rolling hills. Standers gauge or narrow gauge
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 2 года назад
The 4' 8-1/2. I guess we're stuck with it.
@missaberange5774
@missaberange5774 4 года назад
Can you guys do a video on DMIR 193
@millomweb
@millomweb 2 года назад
You mention five and a half foot gauge but here in the UK we had a 7 foot gauge too.
@LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard
@LukeLovesTrains-Mr.RailYard 4 года назад
Cool video
@JohnSmith-gs3cr
@JohnSmith-gs3cr 2 года назад
What about Brunell’s Broad Gauge GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY? Come to the country which is the true home of steam railways, GREAT BRITAN, and learn real history. We welcome all visitors who are keen railway buffs. See you soon. John S.
@douglasmitchinson1936
@douglasmitchinson1936 2 года назад
Don’t forget Brunel’s 7 foot broad gauge.
@hotdatedave
@hotdatedave 10 месяцев назад
If you could spell gauge correctly on the thumbnail, it would give us more confidence in the video!
@johnroberts3607
@johnroberts3607 11 месяцев назад
Gauges?
@GH-oi2jf
@GH-oi2jf 11 месяцев назад
This is not accurate. The standard gauge started at 4’8”. After some experience at that width, half an inch was added to make it work better. It was more practical to increase the rail separation than to modify equipment which had been built.
@plh256
@plh256 11 месяцев назад
The original Stockton and Darlington was 5 feet as an outer measurement and the flanges were on the outside rails at that time. When they changed (for Liverpool Manchester I think) to flanges on the inside of the wheels, that meant 4 feet 8 inches as an inner measurement and over time an extra half inch was added as tolerances got better.
@TigerDude333
@TigerDude333 3 года назад
Consistent at least, about these odd rail gwages.
@donaldripper3354
@donaldripper3354 11 месяцев назад
GUAGE?????????
@HansDelbruck53
@HansDelbruck53 2 года назад
I had to laugh at the misspelling of gauges.
@redkevful
@redkevful Год назад
Railway history the way the Americans want you to believe. No mention of the founders of the railways, the British
@davidkoehler136
@davidkoehler136 Год назад
you forgot a few
@lesliegreen8392
@lesliegreen8392 2 года назад
It is spelt gauge not guage.
@stringpicker5468
@stringpicker5468 10 месяцев назад
I am sorry this is absolute nonsense. Romans did not use war chariots except in racing. The first commercial passenger railways originated in northern England and related to the gauge of mining wagons. On longer runs as the technology developed the original 4'8" gauge was slightly widened to allow better movement of the inside flanges. Other ountires including the northern US began using imported rolling stock adn or locos before developing their own.
@nigelrockliffe774
@nigelrockliffe774 4 месяца назад
If I ever again hear someone tout that old canard about Romans inventing standard rail gauge, I'll scream. Ditto horses' arses.
@Guitcad1
@Guitcad1 3 месяца назад
I expect this kind of nonsense from small-time youtubers, but somebody representing a railroad museum should know better. This urban legend has been thoroughly debunked but it just won't die.
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