Why aren’t people having more kids? | Tim Carney | Just Asking Questions, Ep. 4 

Indeed. Why bother breeding to make line go up on Wall Street?

You have a strange perceived reality.

Right, people don’t have kids because neoliberalism/reganomics etc has made it unaffordable to have kids. And kids are a massive opportunity cost in a first world country. Simple as.

Gotta up-skill yourself, bud.

Where can i find rent for 1500????????

No one is paying $12/hour to anyone vaguely skilled. You need to up-skill.

Exactly. Do you see the Manosphere telling women they are B words and H's? Why would women have kids if men are devaluing them in public platforms too? Men are making themselves look bad in the West vocalizing their disdain for "modern women". Do they think women are gonna be traditional because men are threatening to go to Thailand and replace them? Do IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"...reminding me of the routien from Patton Oswalt about visiting versus residing on New York."

I presume you’ll be forgoing your social security check then.

@@CMVBrielman Why would I forgo it when I've been paying into social security for my entire adult life? Are you suggesting that I shouldn't get a return on that compulsory investment just because I'm not producing a new generation of labor to keep the Ponzi Scheme going?

I'll add that the federal reserve wants to squash wages in order to reign in inflation. But due to less people in the workforce, the monthly job numbers have been strong for almost 3 years now. It's a demographic shortage that will continue to get worse, as with most of the western world. It's a good bet AI will eventually change some of that, especially white collar jobs on one end, and maybe immigration laws will change for mod and lower paid work force. Like it or not, immigrants keep inflation down, it could be worse. H1bs (foreign workers paid poorly, ie.. keep American citizens wages in check) also were brought in to keep wages down in technology by corporate America in the late 90s onward. Think software engineers, coders, hi tech engineering. Think about who you see doing the roofing, plumbing, construction, agriculture and food processing jobs, immigrants. These are legitimate observations. Who will be paying for the baby boomers and the gen x + y retirees? Inflation will be here for a long time. The table has been set. Pretty soon, due to the birth rate, we'll be loosening immigration. Unless AI takes over. That could happen sooner than we think.

Child support isn't "punitive". You chose to have kids, you pay for their expenses. It's not unreasonable.

@@mirzaahmed6589 The AMOUNT men have to pay is very punitive. Particularly when they fight to have the kids 50% of the time too. It is EXTREMELY unreasonable in many parts of the USA and western world.

@@mirzaahmed6589 Most divorces are filed by women and are no-fault divorces, yet they are rewarded with alimony and child custody. In this sense, child support is punitive in that the father is punished, while the mother is rewarded for wrecking the home. This is a huge problem and is keeping more and more men out of the dating and fatherhood pools.

No, it's expensive housing. Simple as that.

LOL what do you think makes housing expensive? @@nntflow7058

Your potential mates were probably not in California if you believe in libertarian ideas.

⁠@@michaellowe3665Well, my Mom is a Democrat from Texas, very generous, great with kids, became a high school teacher and vice principal. My Dad was a Republican from South Dakota, with Protestants (rebellious) and Quakers (tolerant individualists) in his family tree, who became an electrical engineer at Lockheed building airplanes for Uncle Sam (he saw how they spent money poorly). Both of them raised their children to be self-sufficient trustworthy members of society who could take care of themselves and others, and respected our ability to do so more than the politicians do. They sometimes voted together and sometimes cancelled each other out. I was born a libertarian because I am an INTJ like my engineer Dad, was raised by both of them influenced by the homesteaders on both sides of the family, and grew up in California when Watergate and riots nearby at Berkeley for Peace and ending the draft etc. we’re going on. Then I took Econ 101 at the nearby liberal arts college (classical liberal) where my text was written by Milton Friedman about the time the LP had its first meeting (I heard about them 15-20 years later). The way Friedman described economics was clear as a beacon of truth that made sense of everything for me. (Not that he was perfect.) Economics is a science that cannot be manipulated beyond its laws, and one of those laws is that human nature and the aggregated actions of individuals is in control of more than the manipulators think. Respect for individuals is what matters, and the most important question is not whether my Mom or my Dad was wiser, but whether we should trust strangers to try and force one to become more like the other (given it won’t work). Some libertarians are born, but the government makes more at least politically. To be a Libertarian or libertarian politically does not mean you can’t be a liberal (generous) or conservative (saving) personality. The question is (even for authoritarians), “Do you trust strangers in a political system to get it right?” Politically, California was full of freedom seekers, until our money went bad. Sigh. We do have a wealth of engineers, programmers, innovators, and math and physics lovers, I just haven’t found the right one. My requirements are that we speak the same language (I recall a bit of FORTRAN, some math, geometry, and statistics), but mostly don’t want to use politics to try and solve every problem.

No children, no future. Don't take social security or go on Medicare, libertarian.

​@michaellowe3665 not true in those times. This hyper leftist culture in California is a recent phenomenon. Like the last couple decades

Cool suicidal opinion

You’re correct that not everybody has to have kids. But that’s not the problem at all! Too FEW ppl have kids!!! We’re going out of business

@@jappiejojo777 ...and yet the world population continues to grow. There is not a shortage of people.

@@jappiejojo777 That's absolutely not true, at least not for the foreseeable future. After the sharp dip in the early '90s, and the past couple of years due to the pandemic, we've been on a gradual increase of births per year. The last 10 years had almost 140M births per year on avg. with around 55M deaths, including the pandemic. Unless something drastic happens, we'll continue growing the population well into 2080s...

@@jappiejojo777 Don't worry, the people on the shit end of the bell curve will continue on.

Still won't change anything. It's the culture of Capitalism that disincentivizes children.

Change the campaign finance and lobbying or forget it.

@@skylinefever It's too late

This is a great point. Until I had kids, I didn’t realize just how much of my life was about to be ruled by government regulation. And this is a government that also thinks because they provide substandard public school, they own your kids and get to propagandize them with any nonsense they please.

In Quebec a mother may not take her newborn home unless she has a regulation car seat. Even in the city.

It seems that they want more of the burden put on working families. We need to chip in and pay their college loans, too.

Kids aren't supposed to be raised in a developed environment. When I was 5 I remember running around in the rural areas with cows and cattle on the road. And waking up to roosters and playing outside all day in the sun. Adults today put screens like iphones and ipads in their kids faces and don't think there's side effects.

Ding ding ding. All of our money is being siphoned off by politicians, and all of the opportunities in the market place are being destroyed because of those politicians making it harder to earn money through their crony regulatory environments.

If you're unskilled, no, you can't afford it.

No, no, it's the communists that prevented us from having babies.

It suggested the stupid people start early, and don't care much about the conditions the kids face. Smart people with a desire put it off until the right time, then the right time doesn't even arrive.

Our economy is a ponzi scheme. It relies on a lot of plebs supporting those at the top. The elites are getting upset that the structure is collapsing.

@@someone2021 Indeed. We are all not supporting the pyramid, and the people on top are pissed.

I wouldn't say a 'nightmare', but it's weirdly hard to arrange play dates, etc. Meaning you need to spend a lot more time actively watching your children or giving them electronics(bad idea). It is still an extremely rewarding experience.

No children, no future. Man up.

@@paulvalentine4157 or maybe, you should plan your own future without having to rely on kids paying into Social Security and Medicare to support you in retirement.

@@mirzaahmed6589 My tenants will pay for my future. But we belong in a society where many people have to rely on others to pay their retirement, and as such I have raised my kids to be productive members of said society. Like I said, no children no future. Man Up.

Even if social security is abolished overnight and all retirees rely on private savings for retirement, the statement of “no children no future” is still true. It’s a biological fact.

This is the dumbest thing I’ve read on this video. Do you resent your mom because one day you’re going to die?

Yep, that is one of the 5 Aaron Clarey laws to escape poverty. Dont have more cjildren than you can afford

Thank you. Many/most in that situation basically YOLO it and have a whole litter of ill-behaved, impoverished, and fatherless kids.

Tim Carney would tell you that this is a ridiculous excuse.

You have a choice where to live. And like he said, there's walkable and then there's kid-walkable. There are suburbs where kids can walk to school or to the park.

Western attitudes around kids is disappointing and heinous. Makes sense but you lack spirituality. Stop raising kids in developed world. Kids in Africa literally run in the open wild and don't need money until they start elementary school or start their period. In the developed world, they sell you on EVERYTHING: baby clothes, formula, prams, toys, baby monitor etc. You don't need 90% of those things, just raise your kids in the rural countryside and save money growing your own food and bathing them in the river.

@@suzygirl1843 Maybe if spirituality worked for people, they would think in spiritual terms. Well, one libertarian solution is to end the war against drugs so people can buy some shrooms and get spiritual experiences.

No one should have to quit for your benefit. Why do you assume it is an old person that is holding you back? Aren't your natural rivals your contemporaries?

You do know what living conditions looked like for a 4-child household until the last 2% of human history, right?

Yeah, that's what the trailer trash parents think as well. True, many of us are using financial stability as an excuse because the modern age implies that financial stability includes being able to afford $5 lattes and similar nonsense, but pretending that there isn't a certain financial threshold (vs spending, of course) one should pass before having kids is inviting all sorts of societal problems down the line...

A good way of living within your means is by removing unnecessary financial burdens, like children.

Fearmongering won't work. Robots are coming to take care of the old

You should focus on fully incorporating others into your family circle and not disrespecting those who don’t want your life.

Good. We don't need people who never genuinely wanted kids to make them and then hate them.

@@skylinefever Those who want to determine exactly when and under what conditions their children arrive may be less loving and adaptable than their forbears.

@@sanniepstein4835 There certainly are the kinds of people who make their kids miserable because they'll force to to medcial school or law school, and that's expensive. What I am saying is tht there have always been a number of people who want zero children. Some had them anyway. Some were missing condoms and no abortion access. Some were had because the people never knew children could be optional. Others were duped by a "Go forth and multiply or burn in hell" reglgion.

How dare anyone talk about the decline of society!

​@@centerrightpunkTalk is the only thing you CAN do. No, we're not going to make laws forcing people to breed.

...try to make it a law, and there WILL be a civil w ar over it.

@@centerrightpunk Yes it is declining. Going communist Romania won't do anything but result in unwanted kids being shitty.

@@centerrightpunk You're reading the wrong publication if you think society is more important than individualism.

perhaps. But they are extremely unstable. Men without progeny tend to not act in pro-social ways.

@@tann_man Are polygamous cultures extremely unstable or are childless men extremely unstable?

@@glennmitchell9107 both. They are one and the same. It's simple math.

Tyrone never marries and has plenty of kids.

@@skylinefever I doubt the panel know any Tyrones.

it's mostly marriage. The baby boom was a marriage boom. Today's marriage bust is a baby bust.

5:30 y not 25 or 30?

5:45 I believe 65 is kinda arbitrary bullshit ass well just the 1 n 8 christian rule number for sex

7:23 I could agree at 75 instead of 65 years old

-19:07 lol lmao, wtfs? 😂

-22:44 huh? lol

😂

That problem only started 9 months after the vax rollout. It does not show up in the historical scale he’s talking about.

Western attitudes around kids is disappointing and heinous. Makes sense and you lack spirituality. Stop raising kids in developed world. Kids in Africa literally run in the open wild and don't need money until they start elementary school or start their period. In the developed world, they sell you on EVERYTHING: baby clothes, formula, prams, toys, baby monitor etc. You don't need 90% of those things, just raise your kids in the rural countryside and save money growing your own food and bathing them in the river.

Africa has loads of kids because 1. Adults reap most of the $2 per day that those kids live on. 2. Kids are the only pension plan anyone has 3. Birth control isn't easy to access. 4. Women often don't get to say no. Get western ideas and tech to Africa and birth rates will stabilize.

Western attitudes around kids is disappointing and heinous. Makes sense but you lack spirituality. Stop raising kids in developed world. Kids in Africa literally run in the open wild and don't need money until they start elementary school or start their period. In the developed world, they sell you on EVERYTHING: baby clothes, formula, prams, toys, baby monitor etc. You don't need 90% of those things, just raise your kids in the rural countryside and save money growing your own food and bathing them in the river.

3 bedroom house is a burden.

The statement that kids bring joy and optimism is a subjective opinion that you're trying to pass off as objective fact. Kids ARE however a burden to your time and finances. That is objective.

Not everybody is actually going to feel that magic blessing.

I was ripped out of non existence without my consent, and somehow that means I have to rip someone out of non existence without their consent? Forget it!

Damn - talk about a carbon footprint