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Why Aren't I Getting Better at PAINTING? 

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I look through a bunch of older models I painted that I found as I was setting up the studio again (the windows are FINISHED) and they look pretty decent in comparison to my most recent models. Why aren't I getting any better?
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@pskry
@pskry 3 месяца назад
Please never change the intro! It gives me a small nostalgia hit even on new videos, it's hard to describe.
@Nzenz-PhotographyVideography
@Nzenz-PhotographyVideography 3 месяца назад
and the lighting, those background warm lights are so nostalgic for me
@susiduo3438
@susiduo3438 3 месяца назад
This
@brokenheroics8223
@brokenheroics8223 3 месяца назад
Agreed
@NargSmart
@NargSmart 3 месяца назад
Seconded!
@jimmysmith2249
@jimmysmith2249 3 месяца назад
I'll sign this petition.
@anvil242
@anvil242 3 месяца назад
I started paint in '92, and putting dates on the bases in '94. I would say I peaked about 10 years ago, and since then I've seen a decline. Mostly I lack the patience to put in the time, some of it was having kids and a life outside the hobby. Every once in a while I decide I want to do a good job, put the time in, and get good results, but mostly tabletop is good enough for most everything these days.
@IAmTurbogfx
@IAmTurbogfx 3 месяца назад
I have definitely hit a plateau that I’m personally happy with. In the end, I want to paint warbands and armies that I can put on the table and chuck some dice with friends. Every now and then I’ll try a new technique on a hero model, but I generally gravitate to horde armies, and I can’t be bothered to spend that much time on every little skeleton warrior, for example. I aim for a good tabletop standard, and I’m 100% content with that.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor 3 месяца назад
Getting the entire army painted > one really well done model
@IAmTurbogfx
@IAmTurbogfx 3 месяца назад
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor For me at least. But of course other people may not be army painters at heart, and that's great too. I guess the point is that you don't NEED to keep improving at your hobby if you're content with your skill level.
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
@the_inquisitive_inquisitor 3 месяца назад
@@IAmTurbogfx I'm just happy when all my Imperial Fists end up the same shade of yellow.
@CornflakeJusticeHD
@CornflakeJusticeHD 3 месяца назад
I think another interesting perspective is that after you've been painting for a while you have a "style". In the video comparing the Terminator from the beginning using washes to glaze for smooth blends and comparing it to the Doom Stalker with the OSL blends and great use of metallics and colors, I think the Doom Stalker is better but it still emulates a similar style that makes it his. And it shows that you can achieve similar effects and end goals using different techniques and tools that work better to different people's tastes! The way you move your brush, choose your colors, your eye, among a number of other factors, develop over time and once you've found a way to paint the way you like, incremental improvements, new techniques, and sometimes efficiencies you've found and learned along the way are the "getting better".
@pez5767
@pez5767 3 месяца назад
Same. Good enough is good enough
@masterwilliam8704
@masterwilliam8704 3 месяца назад
Unless you are interested in competitive painting or display painting, just get paint on it. Too many youtube painters are really discouraging people with their painting and how quick they can get it done. How long should it take to paint a mini? Answer as long it takes you don't feel rushed. Start small 1 mini a week or two. Hell just put a little on each day say 5 minutes after a year you will have a few done.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 2 месяца назад
Also, if you are painting to play a “large” army game like 40K/AoS, learn how to batch paint and do it where you can listen to your favorite music that you can sing along to. Especially when you are starting out, or easily bored, do not try to paint for long sessions. You’d be better off limiting to 30-60 minutes each day or every other day, than to try to paint for hours on the weekend. Painting minis are very tedious and can easily get on your nerves if you try to do it too much
@Dram1984
@Dram1984 18 дней назад
There are generally two “secrets” of RU-vid/instagram painters. Either it takes way longer than the audience thinks or they don’t actually look as good as you think (camera trickery basically).
@fransaacs
@fransaacs 3 месяца назад
"Don't touch toaster putty!" Thank you for that one. A gem.
@billdefranza4927
@billdefranza4927 3 месяца назад
My uncle Lefty made that mistake once. Once.
@nornironlad8472
@nornironlad8472 3 месяца назад
First off, you are a really good miniature painter, and clearly have been for a long time. You have improved but I suspect that you are, perhaps unconsciously, using your newer skills like airbrushing, as hacks to enhance your results in a limited time rather than spend more time to go for that Golden Demon result. As a gamer and modeller I recognise that dilemma where you look at a figure and think "I could really go to town on this oorrrrr... I could finish the entire unit to this, pretty bloody good standard, and have a great game with my mates this weekend😊" . Maybe just do a piece or two for a competition, see how they rate, as painted miniatures, against other painters, rather than gamers, and satisfy your own curiosity. Don't be afraid to conclude that achieving Vince's level of results just doesn't outweigh knowing you could have put out another, entire, well painted game, on the table top in the same time. Keep up the great work 👍
@GlennJackson-d8e
@GlennJackson-d8e 3 месяца назад
Good to see youngsters like you revisiting their past. My first attempts at painting miniatures was in the mid seventies (1970s). over the years I have painted a couple thousand miniatures and bunches of terrain. I never caught the bug to improve my painting. I have just painted to bring my miniatures to life. Some of my favorites are figures I painted 30 or 40 years ago. I still have my original figures, all of them. I have used various paint brands over the years and ruined many brushes. Before RU-vid, I just painted the way I felt. When I saw videos of what others had done, I realized that some of the techniques they used were similar to mine. When I saw the fantastic minis that some painted, I thought that was amazing, but had no interest in spending hours on one figure. I have used brighter colors over the years than my battle worn, realistic, but muted figures in the past (much to my daughter's delight). The minis have changed radically since those early years of crude, metal figures to much better metal figures and even better plastic models. I still enjoy picking up a figure and recognizing that character by the paint job. They don't have to be brilliantly painted, they just have to be alive.
@edwardclay7551
@edwardclay7551 3 месяца назад
I recently painted a heap of Nighthaunt for Deth Wizards. And I can happily say I have improved. Yes, I am using contrasts or speedpaints for a lot of my work with my chronic pain. But I am getting a lot faster and more consistent results. I am happy that my painting is good enough.
@Sturmensky
@Sturmensky 3 месяца назад
Ultimately, your happiness and your fun are what matters! And hey, speedpaints and contrasts are incredibly useful - don't let anyone tell you otherwise! Heck, I adore my drybrushing, sponging, washes, and detail work, and I still find plenty of use for contrasts and speedpaints. Tools are meant to be used, right?
@chrisbanks1710
@chrisbanks1710 3 месяца назад
The models all look great. Remember better is the enemy of good enough.
@lupercal1984
@lupercal1984 3 месяца назад
Love that outlook. I always think how can I make the next squad better, the next model better, the next army better, and it leads to burnout that I am never just happy looking at a model and saying, "that's pretty cool." Law of diminishing returns...
@Mensch777
@Mensch777 3 месяца назад
First of all, all your models look good and it is totaly fine to "stay" at a certain level. Now to the.. critique? Your models all are very dark without a lot of contrast. I myself have always tended to paint this way. Washes, layering up a bit but never "brave" enough to take a highlight color that is strong enough. For example, your Sentinel looks great but highlighting the edges of the chassis with a even lighter color would make it pop so much. Same is true for your dreadnought. But then again, there is no need to do any of that as they look great as they are and as long as you are happy with them you should not bother with my comment.
@tabletopminions
@tabletopminions 3 месяца назад
I’ve never enjoyed the bright edge highlighting that GW loves to put on their models - it gives them a weird “Tron” look (lots of lines all over the outfit) so though I do a bit of edge highlighting these days, it’s with a more subtle highlight color. It’s a weird personal preference. Thanks for watching!
@GhostofCora
@GhostofCora 3 месяца назад
ok so I am only 5 mins in, but when you said you started with tau I was very dissapointed that the clip of Sam shouting Tau for sale wasn't used lol
@BlakesPipes
@BlakesPipes 3 месяца назад
Funny how sometimes we can look back on projects and see great quality and techniques that we tried and successfully performed. Then we learn how to perform it well and then find our style. While comparing years later, we see ourself as not as progressed as we thought. I see that in most everything I do. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. It's amazing that you recall time and actions that it took to make thos projects, as they were over a decade or more ago and you have made so many over this time!
@frederickflores8152
@frederickflores8152 3 месяца назад
Very cool seeing you go through some if your older models. I see some chatter in the comments about changing the intro? I'd personally leave it. It's basically one of your staples to me now
@CirWot
@CirWot 3 месяца назад
Now I know they're armed with Lightning Paws I may have to start collecting Chaos Space Marines. Nice video as usual, thanks.
@alexbrown1930
@alexbrown1930 3 месяца назад
My own painting goes through cycles: I will go through a period of rapid improvement, plateau, learn a new technique, go through a period of rapid improvement, plateau, learn a new technique, etc, etc..
@jakea3950
@jakea3950 3 месяца назад
I think you just like em more now cause you haven't seen them for years lol. Abit of nostalgia perhaps too. Your newer stuff is better sir. Also those old models look to be over black primer. Perhaps you like grim dark style? Then stick to just black primer. Zenny is great but shines when you want colours to pop or go brighter. I used to zenny my death armies and tbh made em not look dead and i had to add to mute it. Since ive been on nurgle and seraphon the zenny is brilliant my colours are looking great and its just my style. So perhaps you just need to lean back in your old style?
@DavePottsAmI
@DavePottsAmI 3 месяца назад
Great stuff! My "best" painted models are my old ones. Like you, it's the speed that I've gotten better at. I don't feel like I need to sink soooo much time and attention into any one project. I'd rather get the model to the good enough level and move onto something else. Thanks Adam! You da best!
@bluenine85
@bluenine85 3 месяца назад
isn't toaster putty just peanutbutter? Great video, the gf and I really enjoyed it and she commented on how much she loves this kind of video and how she wishes there was something similar for knitting
@ironjehoshaphat2764
@ironjehoshaphat2764 3 месяца назад
I don't or can't get better at painting because I am sporadic in my hobby time. With work, 3 young kids, house chores etc, I rarely get a chance to make time for painting miniatures.
@Riddler_von
@Riddler_von 3 месяца назад
And strange how you liked my comment about doing a video about going back to old minis and bringing them up to your own new standards….🎉
@TheOneTrueKit
@TheOneTrueKit 3 месяца назад
7:54 huh huh huh “Nobhead.”
@christomsharpe
@christomsharpe 3 месяца назад
Exactly what I came here to say hehehe
@abc123yoyo
@abc123yoyo 3 месяца назад
Wow. Uncle Adam. I'm first. Somehow 🍀 won't you please bless me with a monument hobbies pro acryl transparent paints review?
@henrycaltagirone3959
@henrycaltagirone3959 3 месяца назад
My focus has changed over the last few years . I used to paint for speed and get armies done. But in the last 3 years, my family have all gotten into playing D&D . So my focus has been on painting 1 or a few models to my best ability. This has morphed into me now painting models that I have no plans for in wargames or D&D , just models I think are cool and want to paint. I'm thinking about entering competitive painting competitions, but I don't think I'm good enough yet.
@justinrisen1929
@justinrisen1929 3 месяца назад
100% my situation as well. Great to see someone on the same path. Ive won a couple local painting comps over the years back when i was painting armies so painting one model wasnt something i was so used to. Id say go for it!! Im sure your good enough mate and its a scary but rewarding experience just for the comraderie of it. Im now all about single figs for display purposes and have been considering comps again now that i am a far better painter and take things much further than i had before. Cheers!! Go for it!
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 3 месяца назад
I try and finish most models to a character level. I'm the one who has to stare at them 99% of the time; and if I don't like looking at them, then they get redone.
@mattbuckley6928
@mattbuckley6928 3 месяца назад
My two cents: So first up those minis are really good. Whole forces painted like that must look great on the tabletop. You mentioned you've got faster, that sounds like 'better' to me. While you will generally get better as you things more but making distinct improvement often takes intentional practice. You're dead on with what you say at the end "maybe you have learned all of the techniques you need to know". Personally I want to nail NMM and I am getting there. I reckon that's where I'll stop though. Doing decent enough NMM will help the paint fit where to my eyes metallics don't (no judgement on anyone who uses and likes them, this is purely my personal preference). If you're painting at the level you want to be, don't feel you -have- to improve. It's all about what -you- want from the hobby.
@ringodeathstarr9795
@ringodeathstarr9795 3 месяца назад
I really liked those hobby progress vlogs, I know they probably don’t get the views you are used to , but I really enjoyed them. Thanks for all the videos man
@Psychichazard
@Psychichazard 3 месяца назад
It's weird, but I seem to be able to get to a good tabletop standard much more quickly, but to get to a fancier, 'my best' level still takes a lot longer, with much more back-and-forth and mucking about. I guess those techniques are just slower by their nature.
@dougsundseth6904
@dougsundseth6904 3 месяца назад
If you want to get better at something, you need to intentionally practice that thing. You've been practicing army painting and you have gotten really good at army painting. The technique that leveled my painting up was picking a thing to practice on each miniature or unit and then doing my best at that one thing while painting the rest of the mini the way I would normally. With the next miniature, I picked a new thing to focus on. In this way I expanded my tool set without spending dozens of hours per mini and without the frustration of not getting any of the results I wanted. Note that sometimes the result won't be great, but at least you will have spent only a limited amount of time on each attempt.
@mot0573
@mot0573 3 месяца назад
I wish I could say I've improved anything... well, maybe a bit better results, but probably not faster, I guess. But, for sure, after 5-6 years painting, I'm getting... older 😅 And sorry for my poor English.
@theragingdolphinsmaniac4696
@theragingdolphinsmaniac4696 3 месяца назад
Its weird. I’ve been building for 40+ years and I know that 8 have improved a lot. But when I looked at work I did 30 odd years ago, I am still very happy with my old projects and they still look great to me. I think the improvements come in hidden ways. Methods, techniques, accuracy and speed, so the improvements are there but are more hidden
@309freddie
@309freddie 3 месяца назад
Don't confuse style with quality of painting. If you want different, use a different style. Van Gogh vs Rembrandt, both good, but different style.
@Pihtorich
@Pihtorich 3 месяца назад
My paintjobs always only got worse lol. My first minis were the best, I spent about a week on each using expensive acrylics and oil paints and picking every detail. Later I started to cut corners more and more until it became a habit. That's probably cause I got into the hobby with established oil painting skills
@robertsurtees2667
@robertsurtees2667 3 месяца назад
There are 2 different approaches to painting, the English Gw way, which produces more consistent results or the the french/Spanish way which produces more subtle blends but and more interesting results, but can vary across multiple models
@jeffreydieterle2399
@jeffreydieterle2399 3 месяца назад
All the models look great, but you’ve said in many videos that your goal is to get decent looking models on the table and play a game, and that seems to be the case with these guys. This is the polar opposite of painting for display, and I suspect if you were willing to put in the dozens of hours (or more) into a single model, you could achieve some pretty wild results. I’m NOT willing to put in that time. I want to play ALL the different games. I want to make my models look good, but when I feel like I have plateaued in my painting, I always remind myself that my goal is to field an army, not win an award.
@alanjackson1568
@alanjackson1568 3 месяца назад
Has anyone tried the multicolor plastic printer's to avoid painting? Painting is a barrier that has kept me out of the hobby, and I suspect simple ruleset's, and the ability to avoid painting, could bring almost anyone, into tabletop wargaming, at least casually.
@ggadmire
@ggadmire 3 месяца назад
Pushing yourself to improve is a pro and a con. The pro is you push yourself to develop new skills, techniques, and ways of thinking that overall improve your end result. The con is that you typically can’t do this alone and need someone who can help you, and you need to be honest and willing to work hard to improve. Striving to improve can also suck some of the fun out of mini painting so its always good to do what gives you the most fulfillment in the hobby.
@alwoodsmodellingmayhem
@alwoodsmodellingmayhem 3 месяца назад
It's strange, I did a very similar video on my channel 3 weeks ago!!!!😂😂
@saltfreegamer
@saltfreegamer 3 месяца назад
Neatness and speed are where I think you improve by just painting a lot. Beyond that, display painting creates the opportunities to learn new techniques, some of which can trickle down to army painting. Your models all look great, I'm inspired to go paint more minis!
@dmeep
@dmeep 3 месяца назад
I was told that to get better you have to push yourself and to get faster you have to paint a lot. So after a certain point unless you try new techniques etc you wont improve that much. Brushcontrol can only take you so far. You will however get faster and faster at the lvl you are already on by painting more and more so a figure takes 2hrs instead of 4hrs etc
@bearnecessities9568
@bearnecessities9568 3 месяца назад
I think your paint work is great. WAY better than mine currently. But the thing I took away the most is while you were talking about your paint work being "better" or "Not", you went through a multitude of things that you have got better at and learned from. Airbrushing, learning why sub assemblies are good. What paints you work best with and not. Kit bashing, making better basing, blending, colour matching/theory. Enamel washes, freehand work and decals. I mean, you've clearly worked hard to better your work and flow. I'm only 2/3 months into painting again after 20 years out (and wasn't good the 1st time round lol). I wish I had as many feathers in my cap as you do yours. Keep up this stuff coz I find your videos great help and inspiration.
@16011160
@16011160 2 месяца назад
People have finite levels of talent in anything. I know people that do things for 10 years and never get much better
@TableTopMagpie-Lee
@TableTopMagpie-Lee 3 месяца назад
I plateaued years ago, and if anything have actually taken a step backwards because of the convenience of speed/contrast paints. Disappointing to see. There's the occasional "WOW that looks good!". I'm investing in an airbursh and trying oil washes to give me a bit of a kick up the arse. off topic - my Deth Wizards book should be arriving today!
@MOSESJESSE
@MOSESJESSE 3 месяца назад
This exactly. When I started hobbying for real, the unspoken goal was to paint like the minis in the catalogues/magazines … and I got pretty ok at it (7-8 outta 10) But as the armies & warbands started stacking up, as well as the advent of mass market shortcuts (citadel washes then speed paints) Now I’d say I’m a happy 5 maybe 6 if I put in effort .. but my paint time has been halved at least.
@AndrewMcColl
@AndrewMcColl 3 месяца назад
I like looking through my old models, not to see how much I've improved but how my 'style' has changed over the years as different paints have become available. One of my oldest models is a metal Leman Russ I painted in the mid-90's with my Dad's model railway enamel paints (who knew British Railways had a 'Space Wolf Grey' equivalent). Over time I've moved to old school Citadel paints, to P3 paints, Army Painter, and now Citadel Contrast. The only downside is that it's harder to add new models to old armies as my changing painting style means they look noticeably different.
@clipperrn
@clipperrn 3 месяца назад
Look at real life armies. They don't look like they were all done by one person all at one time. Sometimes they don't even look like they are supposed to be fighting together.
@lifeblighter
@lifeblighter 3 месяца назад
I like to think as I'm getting older. Well if my painting isn't getting a lot better, my eyes are getting worse so they will probably look better to me. Lol
@stevenbach312
@stevenbach312 3 месяца назад
Slower as I get older. Lack of attention span....squirrel!
@el_passo_painting2796
@el_passo_painting2796 3 месяца назад
I had hit a plateau a few years back. Decent quality but slow going. I then painted about 6 armies with practice of different techniques on each. Since then I've gotten waaayyy faster at doing stuff and now focus on improving for competition. I find that having done the grind with the armies has helped me get the basics done fast so I can focus on getting pieces comp ready. Keep at it and trust the process. But more than anything...have fun!
@GirlPainting
@GirlPainting 3 месяца назад
If you realy whant to improove drasticly in your paintjobs, without alot of change, you should strt to look into highlighting your models. You have pritty much mastered the "paint it neat and tighdy with an evan paint coat" and the "lets shade stuff with washes, and enamel paints" part of painting. Now is the time to step outside of your comfort zone and embark into the grandious world of HIGHLIGHTS! ^^ I would take that green dreadnought for example, take a bright green and edgehighlight the most prevelant edges. No need for every edge, like GW whants you to think, but just a few can elevate your paintjob to the next level. Just try it and see for yourself ;-) I know you can do it!
@BillKermanKSP
@BillKermanKSP 3 месяца назад
Personally, I don't really like to do highlights because it feels a bit illogical. IRL, there wouldn't be huge bright color spots on edges, there's no reason why it would make something look more realistic (ik it makes them look better, I just don't really get it)
@jakea3950
@jakea3950 3 месяца назад
​@BillKermanKSP always paint to what looks good to you not whats real. Thats a quick way to kneecap your painting. Its better to just say i dont like spending that much time doing x, much healthier too.
@tabletopminions
@tabletopminions 3 месяца назад
I’ve always disliked too much contrast in my paint jobs - I feel like it doesn’t look natural. It’s probably a character flaw. Thanks for watching!
@BillKermanKSP
@BillKermanKSP 3 месяца назад
@@tabletopminions that was my logic too, but I get that it visually looks better if contrast is increased
@richardturnbull8591
@richardturnbull8591 3 месяца назад
To be fair, with the last miniature it could just be that whoever did in IC paintjob was painting over a welding job,
@jheu781
@jheu781 3 месяца назад
Your paint jobs are great. Those are great table top plus quality. You just hang out with too many Golden Demon winners.
@tabletopminions
@tabletopminions 3 месяца назад
I do certainly hang with a lot of them, that’s true. Thanks for watching!
@colinmack8655
@colinmack8655 3 месяца назад
Square bases are the best. But then i play kings of war.
@haxan6663
@haxan6663 3 месяца назад
I have just got the Dark Rituals game to the table, for the first time in ages and I can't believe how badly I painted the miniatures! It was only about 3 years ago and it looks like I was mostly using contrast paints. I use contrasts/speed paints very sparingly now but this may have been my first experience of them? I have models that I painted way before this, that are much better. I am stripping and repainting them!
@3Xero3
@3Xero3 3 месяца назад
Ive seen a lot of posts where people assume to be good they need to be using a lot of NMM or OSL tricks, but then in the comparison pics with their old stuff, I often prefer their old painting style better.
@swiftfated
@swiftfated 3 месяца назад
I've found things look more interesting when you're just having fun and experimenting vs trying to be perfect with your style and blending
@aizoid4735
@aizoid4735 3 месяца назад
The answer to the video title is: do you need to be?
@AndrewMcColl
@AndrewMcColl 3 месяца назад
Y'know, there might be something to 'forgotten mechs continuing to fight long after their human masters have died' as a game. Especially if it let's you play with AI programming.
@Vroomerz
@Vroomerz 3 месяца назад
From my 1991 RTB-01 marines to my 1998 Clan Wars minis - night and day. From 1998 to (big break in painting) 2016 - night and day. From 2016 to today - faster, more efficient, dry brushing is my jam.
@billdefranza4927
@billdefranza4927 3 месяца назад
I'm improving as I paint more since I started painting again a few years ago. Back in high school, I had basically no resources for learning how, I've learned a ton from RU-vid painting videos. But I learn more painting minis (tbh, I think it was Miniac who said that would be the case).
@kylarstern671
@kylarstern671 3 месяца назад
I was stuck for years at the same level and didnt know how to improve. Then I found out about OSL, NMM, Washes, Loaded Brush, Wetblending and how to maximize the contrast. From then onwars I challenged myself to incorporate these techniques in my painting and started improving again surprisingly quickly.
@argy8141
@argy8141 3 месяца назад
Love it, as I've said before your good, would be my display standard. I find the biggest improvement actually comes from liking the models. I've a set of Mantic Games Enforcers, Forge Fathers and Marauders and I hate painting them so they are various states of started. Whereas I've some models from Crooked Dice, Heresy, Bad Squiddo, Warlord and GW and I've loved them, started and finished over a couple of weeks.Some WW2/Cthulhu/Spectrum (Captain Scarlet) skirmish fun going on with either 7TV or Faith and Fear rule systems. Motivation becomes a big part.
@theezekarion164
@theezekarion164 3 месяца назад
U gotta want to evolve ur painting I mean u can literally paint 40 plus years and never improve if u never decide toO "GIT GUD!" it takes one wanting it bad enough to have the patience to learn EVERY BRUSH STROKE MATTERS!.
@tmorton42
@tmorton42 3 месяца назад
First off, the models look great! I wish my best was anywhere near that level of cool. I saw a lot of improvement between the old and the new. Look at the left Pauldron of the demon prince, your shading has gotten a LOT better as well (subtle and smooth - which I can't do at all). Anyway, I do go back and look at old models and compare. I try to have a firm rule to NOT fix old models, regardless of how much they pain me. That's how I know I've improved. What was acceptable 5 years ago would be unacceptable and, in some ways, atrocious today. I still like the models, but can see the flaws. Also, I've painted 2 of those Heldrakes. One I did as sub-assembly and one I rescued (pre-built bought with army). Highly recommend Sub-assembly on that guy. Crikey that's a lot of trim.
@cjwyalk7843
@cjwyalk7843 3 месяца назад
So I’ve been painting since mid 2000’s, and like you, 100% my quality in the first 5 years improved by a ton, but since then? Quality hasn’t improved, but I can knock out a 2000 pt warhammer fantasy army in a month at “table top plus” quality
@darklingeraeld-ridge7946
@darklingeraeld-ridge7946 3 месяца назад
Just watched that early liquid greenstuff vid - and - boy! have you got faster at talking, more even I bet than painting …
@rodento3220
@rodento3220 3 месяца назад
I have been enjoying your vids for awhile now. Recently I was on Monument Hobbies and decided to try Uncle Atoms favorite brushes. I'll let you know when I get to use them. I am getting better but not too much faster. Maybe its my OCD kicking in as I keep redoing stuff....
@grendelb3298
@grendelb3298 3 месяца назад
Great video! I feel the same way. I’m nowhere near a display painter. However, I see tutorials explaining they’re taking hours and hours for one model. I couldn’t get anything done. More power to anyone doing that, but I want good quality, not perfect. Your videos help so much. Thanks!
@beardyhat9547
@beardyhat9547 3 месяца назад
If anything, my painting has probably gotten worse. I sort of plateaued and my stuff looked pretty good, then after playing a bunch with friends, as well as at tournaments, I realized no one is really giving my models a second glance or even checking them out with any thoroughness, so I've stopped trying so hard. My stuff still looks pretty good and non-painters think it looks amazing, but to my eye, it's sort of mediocre. I'm still very happy with a lot of them (such as my new British 8th Army for Bolt Action or my Gitz for AoS), but I haven't put much effort into blending anymore and just hit those highlights to make them pop, then call it good.
@Lessons_from_the_front
@Lessons_from_the_front 3 месяца назад
Started with 5th. Thanks for making me feel old for stopping regularly playing 40K at 4th.
@andycowell608
@andycowell608 3 месяца назад
> I mainly blame this on not really trying to increase my skills too much...because of this, I haven't really gotten a ton better in the last decade and a half, but I have gotten faster. 100%. If you are not challenging yourself, you won't really improve. Just painting the same technique the same way over and over is not a recipe for improvement. Chances are, even if subconsciously, you challenged yourself to paint more quickly, tried new techniques like the airbrush to improve your speed, etc... And the thing you actually worked on, you improved on.
@johnmcconnell9979
@johnmcconnell9979 3 месяца назад
Faster IS Better! :-) I have been painting miniatures my entire adult life (and then some) which is for a LONG time (45 years!), and I can say that I've gotten faster, but some of the work that I did in my first few years of painting is much better from a detail perspective. This is probably due to having clearer eyesight and steadier hands, which enabled me to free-hand designs that I don't think that I'd even try today. But as you have learned, different techniques and tools have allowed me to at least speed up my miniature painting production rate.
@fallenswan1670
@fallenswan1670 3 месяца назад
I've been thinking, that I will soon(tm) paint group of minies in ways I never painted, or in ways that I really hate to paint. Afterwards I can give overnight "bath" to the minies, and forget it ever happen. It all could teach me something new... Like one person suggested for those (like himself) who have airbrush but hate airbrushing, to take miniature, and paint it only with airbrush: it will feel horrible, it will look horrible. But after you done that, you may hate airbrushing little bit less, and have more confidence and will to use it when it is helpful and good... I guess, such masochism can be admirable. Maybe I can torture myself too? Who knows what I may learn?
@w0197
@w0197 3 месяца назад
My skeleton minis and Deth Wizard book should be coming today. I'm pumped. Going to do a Horde Necromancer with tons of skelly boys!
@KevinoftheCosmos
@KevinoftheCosmos 3 месяца назад
I agree about edge-highlighting. It's a technique that's been overused for as long as I've been in the hobby. Sometimes it's fantastically well done, but often is wildly overdone, adding a ton of visual noise. Essentially, in my eyes, it's a tradeoff of 'table readability' at the cost of reduced realism. It's okay for an army, but not for display models (unless done with extreme restraint) imo.
@johnnnysilverhand9819
@johnnnysilverhand9819 3 месяца назад
All your models look pretty good to me. For gaming purposes, I think for me once all my models hit a certain range of quality I’m happy with them. I bet if I commission a golden daemon level paintjob, it would look out of place next to my army/warband. Vice versa, if I do a cheap low quality paintjob, that might also look out of place.
@WillS724
@WillS724 3 месяца назад
Paiting a couple of years now and i kinda feel like ive DEFINITELY improved through time.. increased color selections. Better brushes..but also my negative is that i tend to rush because i just want to get them on the table n play where finer details go out the window. And after seeing my grey pile of shame today....im disgusted lmao
@mrtecsom6951
@mrtecsom6951 3 месяца назад
This is a bit concerning as at 55 I have taken early retirement, bought the ultimate starter set and some paints. The idea 💡 that my painting 🖼️ won’t improve before I die is worrying 😂 Edit: Also signed up with the Hachette combat patrol on your recommendation 🥴
@maximem.ste-marie3578
@maximem.ste-marie3578 3 месяца назад
Yeah. taking a break is real good if you are on a plateau. You will come back better and stronger! it's exactly like physicial training : too much is overtraining, it's the same for painting. Actually, it's the same for everything.
@DCstroller
@DCstroller 3 месяца назад
I have numbered all of my minis. Working on my 61st at the moment and while I think I started out ok I definitely can see the changes in my work. My brush control has gotten better, my techniques are improved and I’m faster with fewer mistakes. I don’t think I’ve plateaued yet because every time i find myself in a rut I basically switch gears and do something different with a completely different model/color scheme (ie switching from space marines to Nids). By going back and forth like that I’ve noticed marked improvements
@doublekenku
@doublekenku 2 месяца назад
As a guy who started painting sometime during covid, i've noticed that while I do try to learn new techniques a lot of my improvement hasn't been so much making more impressive paint jobs but making less mistakes. Which is technically faster but moreso less frustrating overall.
@Mikey__R
@Mikey__R 3 месяца назад
It's Tickle Time! Uncle Tickles is so misunderstood, he just wants to bring joy and tickles to an uncaring, war-torn galaxy.
@TwilightxKnight13
@TwilightxKnight13 2 месяца назад
I saw my biggest quality improvement over the first couple of years of painting. Since then, if there is any improvement, I don’t see it, but my speed has improved. I am about 2-3x faster at painting than I was a decade ago. I think most people notice the improvement from inexperienced to table-top quality in a relatively short period of time. Thereafter, quality only increases based on your investment into quality, ie learning new techniques. Most people don’t have the time or sometimes the money to pay for expensive brushes, air brush setups, etc. when they are already paying a premium on the models. Not to mention having a lot of paint variety is part of quality and paint ain’t cheap.
@pez5767
@pez5767 3 месяца назад
I would love to see you do a video on "I'm not getting better, and does that matter?" I made the conscious choice a few years back to stop pushing towards competition level painting since I'm mostly interested in playing games. There's no need to perfect that blend if it's a game piece that's going to live at 12"-24" away from me during the excitement of battle. I'll simply never notice those details. The contrast helps to make the models pop on the table, and I still enjoy learning/hearing about new techniques, but that desire to "get better at painting" is no longer a constant naging guilt a I carry with me. Now I just paint my tabletop-toys to a level that makes me happy.
@maxxon99
@maxxon99 3 месяца назад
I think some of my best work is from the 80’s when I was just starting with the hobby. Certainly I’ve learned a lot since, but sometimes a model just clicks.
@Ryuondo
@Ryuondo 3 месяца назад
If I plateaud right now, I'd be fine with it. I feel like I'm nearing it since I am terrible with some techniques on miniatures. But I would say I'm nearing mini painter "influencer" level. To get better I'm going to have to veer off and start air brushing and wet blending and hyper focus on the minutia of glazing for months per mini. Then of course, batch painting.
@Dagenham_Swish
@Dagenham_Swish 3 месяца назад
The thing is, you've progressively attempted further techniques and different tools over that time, so if the standard is "the same" you've essentially added new skills to your repetoire, which is absolutely improvement. Further, and you mentioned it yourself re: speed; if you are hitting the same standard now as you did 10 years ago but in half the time then you have also improved.
@MrBanditoRazor
@MrBanditoRazor 3 месяца назад
If my painting EVER gets better...it's an accident. I'm an amateur painter, my paint jobs will be amateur and I refuse to stress out or care about it 😂😂😂😂
@chuckadams3531
@chuckadams3531 3 месяца назад
I used to be the guy that paints directly from the pots.. still do for certain paints.. but I have a wet palette now. Setup takes a little longer but painting is definitely faster and I can do a little better than I used to. (I started in 93, went on hiatus in 02, and just got back into it again in 23) Have I improved? A little. Very little... but yes.
@jasonfrank2935
@jasonfrank2935 3 месяца назад
Since I have been painting for about 2 years. What I have done recently with a money crunch. I took pictures of my models, stripped them down and repainted them again. It's been a good way for me to show myself progress. This process is now almost complete. What current box set would you recommend to start the adventure a new?
@SockimusPrime
@SockimusPrime 3 месяца назад
I feel like I’ve been at a pretty consistent plateau for a while. My sisters army is fairly consistent - a couple stylistic tweaks as I locked in my method, but overall they mesh pretty well. I tend to try something new when I dip into a different project - that’s where I tend to develop mew techniques, but even then I feel like my results are more about efficiency than quality. How do I get something that looks just as good but takes half the time?
@kevinstricklen7579
@kevinstricklen7579 3 месяца назад
I think I’m getting better but it could just be as I get older my eyesight is not as good so it only looks better to me😂. I certainly like some of my more recent miniatures compared to what I painted three plus decades ago, but I still have one of my original Space Hulk Genestealers with the 80’s green flocked base… because even in space the grass is always greener. I am tempted to strip and repaint the metal Patriarch but I haven’t bothered due to it being significantly undersized compared to the newer sculpts.
@FrozenThrog
@FrozenThrog 3 месяца назад
I started to critique my own work, and it has helped with understanding where I want to improve. I have to understand where I am at though. Can't be too self-critical, or too proud of my paintjob. Just look it over and see if there are things I can do better.
@alexbrown1930
@alexbrown1930 3 месяца назад
There are many forms of improvement. Speed is an improvement. Quality is an improvement. There is a tendency to settle in to a comfortable level. Do you push yourself? Do you constantly try new things? Do you ever take the time to take a miniature and go "I am going to use everything I know on this, and push myself to the limit"? Or do you mostly paint at the same levels all the time?
@jakea3950
@jakea3950 3 месяца назад
Sometimes it can be the model. If the models you paint are similar, lack differences or demand different painting tech then passively improving is much harder. For example i started with death then nurgle. Nurgle lets me express brighter colour and a wider pallete. I am a better painter now withoit having to go to the next level of tons of time highlighting and glazing. Seraphon is next and boy am i excited.
@oldschoolfrp2326
@oldschoolfrp2326 3 месяца назад
Once painting is good enough, it really doesn’t need to get better. I won a few painting awards around the early 90s, but I paint better now because I deliberately paint worse - that is I try to paint simpler and faster and get more units finished to a good standard without caring about painting competitions or what something might look like in extreme closeup on a computer monitor. I’m much happier with my output now that I am consistently “good enough.”
@darkmeerd.9812
@darkmeerd.9812 3 месяца назад
My question is always whether or not you are having fun. If you're not having fun, you should stop the paint job. I have competition models and tabletop models, and both have spots on my table.
@anthonywaggett9317
@anthonywaggett9317 3 месяца назад
Remember that the curve of learning always starts off pretty steep as you can improve fairly quickly but this starts to plateau as the extra needed to push the skill to higher and higher levels takes more time and practice. Add to this the changes in paint types and quality and starting to use new techniques and you are constantly dropping back down the curve. If you start by using Citadel traditional paints and paint every day using only Citadel paints (no contrast) then after 15 years you will notice a difference.
@Ggggggmmmm324
@Ggggggmmmm324 3 месяца назад
I think myself personally didn't become much better quality-wise, but better at getting good results faster after a few years of painting!
@makdaddi3921
@makdaddi3921 3 месяца назад
It is not unusual to abandon old techniques in favor of new ones.... that might be faster but not as satisfying. On top of that... the urgency of speed and suffocating layers of "just more stuff to do" renders us oblivious to quantity over quality. We just need to congratulate our old selves and and move on to another chapter of productivity. It will all end up in someone else's roadside trash one day anyway.
@JC-gv6sq
@JC-gv6sq 3 месяца назад
A nice thought provoking video, I know I have gotten better at painting now that I'm older than I was when I first started but a lot of that is to knowing when to stop and take a step back. Not every model needs to be precisely detailed when I'm not going to see it from 3-4 feet away. I do miss the extra free time I could spend on painting when I was younger, less responsibilities and demands on my time.
@raydeftereos
@raydeftereos 3 месяца назад
I feel like I’ve learnt new techniques over the last decade. Different ways of doing a part of a model. But in the main this has made things faster, or given me more options to make models look different. I’d agree that it’s not really a case of better, just variety
@Dan_Dee
@Dan_Dee 3 месяца назад
I would love to see a video of a side by side with newly painted models compared to the old ones. Like get a new necromancer and paint him with your current skill level and compare him to the old one you painted. Regardless of progress I think it would be an educational and inspiring video to make. I know for me personally I feel like I am in the same boat in that my current paint jobs don't seem to have progressed as much. I think showing of small progression or none at all could be helpful for people struggling to find inspiration in continuing to paint and not to get discouraged.
@JadeCatMinis
@JadeCatMinis 3 месяца назад
I would love to see you make a forsaken robot game in the future. A game that encourages kitbashing stompy robots! Yes please!!!!
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