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Why Banff Airport Exists 

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Banff, Alberta, is a scenic resort town of around 8,000 people, nestled in the Alberta Rocky Mountains.
As you drive towards the town from Calgary, you may pass one particular rectangular-shaped clearing. That clearing is actually Banff Airport - CYBA!
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@ALSmith-zz4yy
@ALSmith-zz4yy 2 года назад
Parks Canada concluded grass airfields in Jasper and Banff are inappropriate for a park but dozens of ski runs, resort hotels, 4-lane highways and town structures for 15,000 people are perfectly okay.
@ethics3
@ethics3 2 года назад
Not to mention hundreds of mountain bikes with their squeaky squealing brakes as they tear down the mountains yelling " WHOOOO HOOOO " ...
@nbrown2930
@nbrown2930 2 года назад
They have been very restrictive with the ski hills in recent years too. To rebuild a hotel is also very restricted. In earlier years it was different thats why most of these structures were grandfathered in, including the second homes in a over populated, under accomoďated community.
@Drpoppler
@Drpoppler 2 года назад
@@ethics3 bear deterrents lol
@alistairclark6814
@alistairclark6814 2 года назад
The fraudulent idea of National parks was originally designed by the guys who's sole goal was to monopolize the Banff Hot Springs. It was such a successful, fraudulent monopoly that they decided to own as many stunning, natural areas as possible. They don't protect these places, they pave these places and charge money to visit.
@thedwightguy
@thedwightguy Год назад
a grass airfield in Banfffff would have Elk pretty much parked on it 24/7
@matthewellard7509
@matthewellard7509 2 года назад
Had to make a Diversionary landing at Cyba Back in 2005. Weather closed in on Springbank and i was not IFR Capable. Could have probably made it back to golden but would have been into my reserve fuel by then. Landed @banff the park warden picked me up and we had lunch together. He let me use his computer to check that the weather had cleared @ Springbank. Once it had he gave me another lift to the airfield and watched me depart.
@reeshaug8522
@reeshaug8522 2 года назад
The lad was just so happy someone finally landed on his runway.
@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis
@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis 2 года назад
That's so Canadian
@erepsekahs
@erepsekahs 2 года назад
Gosh, that was exciting.
@Dysan72
@Dysan72 2 года назад
@@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis Eh we have a history of taking care of "Emergency and Diversionary" landings ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8_Ey5ph4wW8.html
@JohnyKnox
@JohnyKnox 2 года назад
Wouldn't flying in the mountains be super scary if your not IFR capable? I'm not a pilot but I feel like that would be a big concern.
@gpaull2
@gpaull2 2 года назад
The grassy open field of the “airport” impedes animal movement, but the fenced busy highway right beside it doesn’t?!?!
@michaelsoars17
@michaelsoars17 2 года назад
There Logic LMAOO
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 2 года назад
A lot of animals stay in the forest for cover and only enter open areas if they absolutely have to. This is why so many moose, for example, get hit by cars. Once they're in the open by the road their instinct is to make a run for the forest on the other side of the road.
@Green__one
@Green__one 2 года назад
The general process for landing at that airport always involved buzzing the runway to scare away the grazing animals before you could actually land, so it was always apparent that it had no negative impact on animal movement. But this is Parks Canada. If they had their way they would put up a large wall on the highway and stop all traffic into the park and not allow a human to ever enter the area.
@alangordon3283
@alangordon3283 Год назад
Eco mentalist logic 🙄🤷‍♂️
@michaelbruvolt4221
@michaelbruvolt4221 Год назад
Screw the animals. I want a full service airport in Banff.
@KCBarr1
@KCBarr1 2 года назад
Funny how they could state that a rarely used landing strip is a barrier to wildlife, while at the same time doubling a highway that runs along beside it. I lived in Banff and IMHO, the wildlife pretty much went where it wanted to.
@Benass69
@Benass69 2 года назад
I’m in lake Louise. Can confirm wildlife doesn’t give a shit
@georgehaeh4856
@georgehaeh4856 2 года назад
Maybe a dozen daily aircraft movements compared to easily a dozen cars and trucks a minute.
@victorisabelle6834
@victorisabelle6834 2 года назад
Elks everywhere
@ordenmanvrn7685
@ordenmanvrn7685 2 года назад
Not to mention, that if just a single plane really did crash there, that would've been many times worse for the environment. Glad common sense won over hypocrites in this case.
@georgehaeh4856
@georgehaeh4856 2 года назад
@@ordenmanvrn7685 Contrasted to how many car and truck crashes and derailments?
@vixenator7657
@vixenator7657 2 года назад
Had a friend survive a crash just after taking off from the Banff runway in the mid 80's. They took off and almost immediately crashed and caught fire. They were lucky they had crashed into the army cadet camp nearby and were pulled out of the fire by some cadets. Though severely burned, both him and the pilot survived. He is forever grateful to the cadets for risking their lives to save his and the pilot.
@MrBulshoy
@MrBulshoy Год назад
Literally the exact same thing happened in 1996.
@288theabe
@288theabe Год назад
I’ve made the drive from Calgary to Banff. Such natural beauty, makes you feel so insignificant next to the mountains
@raspberryridge8840
@raspberryridge8840 2 года назад
Parks Canada: "The use of National Parks for anything except bureaucratic uses is to be discontinued."
@samdkerr
@samdkerr 2 года назад
"We will be decommissioning this 100-year old nationally significant trail in order to pay for solar-powered lamp posts and toilets at Lake Minnewanka. We will not be taking any questions"
@ltmcmuffins9499
@ltmcmuffins9499 Год назад
@@samdkerr To be fair parks canada is critically underfunded
@lpdirv
@lpdirv 2 года назад
During the floods of 2013 we tried to donate our corporate helicopter to parks and Banff’s mayor. Got threatened with arrest if we attempted landing at CYBA. That was for free rescue flights. Crazy. We ended up flying a lot for the city of Calgary as their helicopters and crews were running out of hours and crew day. Since we were multi engine we did a lot of low level scouting. Some of the best flying since 408.
@peneloped.wenman4388
@peneloped.wenman4388 Год назад
....how ignorant to refuse such a gift...so glad you were so appreciated & meaningful to Calgary...I think it was just last Thursday about noon hour, I was crossing the street towards Banff Library when through the heavy cloud cover from the West, was the loud distinctive reverb of a helicopter...before I could quite hear the sound though, the brilliant beam of it's headlight was brilliant as a diamond, flashing in & out of the fog...it was quite small & slick black, like 'apocalypse now'...stunned, I dropped my shopping bags, as it flew overhead, pointing it's headlight right on me...I've known of the Banff airstrip..this was something else...
@Shad0wBoxxer
@Shad0wBoxxer Год назад
They dont have flight control towers so they were probably overloaded already.
@VideoNOLA
@VideoNOLA 2 года назад
This begins to explain why they quoted me and my family some insane price, like $3000, to fly from Vancouver to Banff in 1986. Kinda glad we changed our minds!
@ruslanulko8195
@ruslanulko8195 2 года назад
Very sad story.We do need a small airport there!
@georgehaeh4856
@georgehaeh4856 2 года назад
Well, when Parks Canada rips up or buries the four lane Trans Canada highway; then I might see a case for closing the airport. Compared to some 500 km of highways in the mountain parks the two airports are 1/250th of the wildlife migration barrier compared to the highways.
@forrestmiller4055
@forrestmiller4055 2 года назад
Great comment ...... don't forget about the railway tracks within spitting distance as well :)
@shelm-b8p
@shelm-b8p 2 года назад
So you guys would be ok to be driven to the next hospital instead of taking a helicopter. Or that Search and Rescue teams drive in instead of flying in?
@Bartonovich52
@Bartonovich52 2 года назад
@ Sabine Honestly.. from that location driving is probably quicker. I love when people think aerial medevac is quick. I can assure you, it’s not!
@KapitanPisoar1
@KapitanPisoar1 2 года назад
Well the highway and railway have to go through somewhere...
@RS-ls7mm
@RS-ls7mm 2 года назад
Have to laugh at the impeding wildlife part. How about that huge freeway right next to it?
@Green__one
@Green__one 2 года назад
If Parks Canada had the option they'd push to decommission that too. If you've ever dealt with Parks Canada you'd know that their only priority is to make sure that no development ever happens in a national park under any circumstances, and that as much existing development is removed as possible. There is never any consideration for balancing human activity. They've previously prohibited people from running on a highway bridge beside a railroad track because the runners might disturb the birds nested on the top of the bridge girders 20 feet over their heads. I'm pretty sure that if the birds can deal with the cars and the trains they won't notice a few people running!
@kburdy
@kburdy 2 года назад
This airstrip also was very useful when it came to the canmore floods, seen it used as emergency headquarters. I live 3 minutes away from this! It’s surreal to see it like that.
@danielkelly2774
@danielkelly2774 2 года назад
Thank you for this history and current status on CYBA, Alex! I learned out of Springbank and overflew Banff plenty but my last time was probably 10 years ago. It's an airfield filled with rumor and hearsay amongst pilots and it's neat to get a proper history lesson as well as a current update. Sad to hear all the buildings are now torn down but that was certain to happen - surprised it took so long actually.
@Selkirk5934
@Selkirk5934 2 года назад
I took a Mountain Flying course with Chinook Aviation at this airport in 1967 and landed there with my Cessna 140 a few times. It is a challenging one way airstrip and frequently the wind socks at each end point in opposite directions.
@alecboucher5984
@alecboucher5984 2 года назад
Legend
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 года назад
I visited that strip briefly during a cross-country flight (drastically needed a bladder break! ;-) ... And like-wise - windsocks pointing at each other. The tired old PA-28-140 struggled mightily in the mid-summer heat to climb out on the subsequent takeoff. The golfers on the Banff Springs hotel course didn't have to duck - but I sure got their attention! ;-)
@crissd8283
@crissd8283 2 года назад
Why?? If it is already there for diversionary purposes, why not just use it. You still have to maintain it, why not let people use it?
@Ash-um8er
@Ash-um8er 2 года назад
When a man stopped and landed at the airport for a piss, and got like a 5k fine. True story
@jmstransit
@jmstransit 2 года назад
No wonder it takes 500 years for stuff to get done in this country
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 2 года назад
Dude Absolutely Great Video! Loved It!
@grosvenorclub
@grosvenorclub 2 года назад
The wonders of government bureaucracy . Canada was a can do country now its an undo country .
@xixi2776
@xixi2776 2 года назад
Where is the best choice for hiking
@HoltAircraft
@HoltAircraft 2 года назад
ya cause the massive road next to it doesn't effect the wild life
@darrendevolin3720
@darrendevolin3720 2 года назад
Used to fly into Banff regularly when I went to flying school in Calgary in the 90’s. It was an awesome place to go, and I actually did an emergency landing there when I was trapped in the valley due to snow squalls on both ends. It was short sighted to close this amazing airport. “Impact on wildlife”?!? Really?! What about the giant highway right beside it? Look into the Idaho Backcountry flying, where the conservationists and airmens association work together to maintain a vast network of airports in the backcountry, even building more.
@atn_holdings
@atn_holdings 2 года назад
yes they should remove the highway too
@calvinnickel9995
@calvinnickel9995 2 года назад
Both the highway and railway disrupt a major wildlife migration corridor at the junction by the airport.
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 года назад
re: " the conservationists and airmens association work together to maintain a vast network of airports" ... Yes! This would be the intelligent solution and include wildlife corridors for the highway, airport and railway as required! But, once the politicians get involved, common sense seems to go out the window.
@rylanthepilot
@rylanthepilot 2 года назад
Nice video! I have driven by both Jasper airport and Banff airport numous times as my family goes skiing in these mountains lots, definitely a weird sight to see! Keep up the good work man.
@Ben_Stewart
@Ben_Stewart 2 года назад
Too bad the feds took it off the market for general aviation.
@zigarten
@zigarten 2 года назад
Here’s a tidbit for you Alex. I am currently reading vertical reference the life of Jim Davis written by Cathy Calvert. I won’t give much away but there’s a reference to the closing of Banff airport on page 124. It is a pretty fascinating read regardless
@richardp1522
@richardp1522 2 года назад
Alex: Postings featuring airports in Canada or anywhere is an excellent idea well done. It would be great to see more especially the smaller, rural and challenging too access. Additionally if possible inside terminals and control towers!!!. I just love airports. Thanks excellent posting, thanks.
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 2 года назад
It's difficult to do any meaningful video from a control tower. I've visited several towers plus the Vancouver area control centre, and all visits were on a strict No Operational Data/No Screen Pictures policy. Which eliminates much of the interest in a video...
@larsw8776
@larsw8776 2 года назад
I agree on learning something about airports' history would be a nice thing to watch.
@Canadian_offroad_Adventures
@Canadian_offroad_Adventures 2 года назад
The funny thing is that I just flew from Kelowna to Calgary
@Badger4077
@Badger4077 Год назад
That used to be one of the best spot to see elk
@DeltaBravoTango
@DeltaBravoTango 2 года назад
Excellent presentation Alex, those views make me wanna do some GA flying out west some time wow
@JonasC22
@JonasC22 Год назад
I remember as a teenager going down to the old airstrip in Grande Cache Alberta to whip donuts in my buddy's mercury. I don't think that airport had anything land on it in my lifetime, there's a wikipedia entry for it with absolutely zero information on it.
@BrodyYYC
@BrodyYYC 2 года назад
Awesome video! You should consider doing one on the Ram Falls airstrip as well :)
@WRLO56
@WRLO56 2 года назад
I lived in Calgary and was taking my instrument rating (never completed) at Calgary International when Sheila Copps, the cabinet minister responsible, closed the airport. The 1996 study was badly flawed - deliberately so, I suspect. There was a fenced off buffalo paddock at one end of the strip, and an army cadet training camp at the other. Instead of considering the impacts of these separately, the government "scientists" lumped all three of them together and concluded that - taken as a single unit - they indeed constituted an obstruction to wildlife travel. They never gave any consideration to the possibility that if they removed the buffalo paddock and the army training camp, the grass airstrip constituted no more of an impediment than any flat grassy field. There were several pilots living in Banff who owned and operated privately-owned GA aircraft from that airfield. Many of them were volunteers with CASARA (Civil Aviation Search and Rescue Association), and were an invaluable resource for any search and rescue operations in the vicinity. These pilots were forced to move their planes to Springbank or Golden, or get rid of them entirely, which most of them did .
@robertmoulton2656
@robertmoulton2656 2 года назад
I think they are placing to much value on the impact to wildlife that these two airstrips pose . But what to you expect from parks Canada
@meowdy87
@meowdy87 2 года назад
I have vivid memories of this airstrip. Some years ago my husband and I were driving by there on our way back to Calgary. We were slowed right down in heavy traffic, almost stopped, when we happened to look over to the left and stared directly at a pilot in a small plane right at the edge of the highway and headed straight for us. He hit the edge of the highway and went right over us and crashed in the ditch on the other side, the pilot was okay. As we shakily got out of the car, a couple in a motorhome in front of us came over and the guy said: " I looked in my mirror and saw the plane and saw the car and said to my wife omg thise people aren't going to make it" . Apparently a wind gust caught the plane and left us with a good holiday anecdote!
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 года назад
Wow - thanks for posting this. YES - it makes a great rebuttal for another commentor who suggested that landing on the highway as a good alternative... Not usually!
@Doggieman1111
@Doggieman1111 Год назад
That's an amazing story
@ronchristie898
@ronchristie898 2 года назад
Back in the early 80’s when I lived in Canmore. I was driving by the Banff airport, when I saw a well dressed lady standing outside her late model Mercedes. She looked very upset , I pulled over and asked if everything was ok ? She said I’m supposed to meet my husband here. At this airport I said ? Oh yes, we have a Lear jet !! I politely suggested she book a room in Banff for the night.
@j2simpso
@j2simpso 2 года назад
"Oh no, I think I'm running low on AvGas, better divert to Banff!" 😂
@PlaneSpottingBerlin
@PlaneSpottingBerlin 2 года назад
Drinking game: Every time "Emergency and Diversionary" comes up take a shot :D
@Abbittibbi
@Abbittibbi 2 года назад
There is a runway just like this one in the Cariboo where I live, there is not much air traffic in the area, but last summer(2021) there was a sudden shift in visibility, down to 0, and there was emergency landing for an helicopter on it. I have walked down to the strip and ''saved'' the crew from having to stand in the field for clear weather to return, offering them shelter, coffee and telephone for them to call their base. That was the highlight of the year in the area. In other local news, a black bear walked across the road(onto the runway without transport Canada's permission), as two deers stood there and watched him. These runways ARE NEEDED for emergency, NOT for any type of commercial activity. Oh, and yeah, ARREST THE BLACK BEAR, what is the RCMP doing?!?
@guyansell9659
@guyansell9659 2 года назад
Stupid response.
@normferguson2769
@normferguson2769 2 года назад
The arrest of a black bear on government land involves a lot of paperwork and signatures. It has been shown that by the time it is signed off the bear is miles away.
@ethics3
@ethics3 2 года назад
@@guyansell9659 Uhhhh.... Just " who" was he responding to Guy ? Abbittibbi left a " comment " And you are calling him stupid ??? Lol
@stephenhunter70
@stephenhunter70 2 года назад
@@normferguson2769 Oh so he is also "escaping lawful custody" then too?
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC 2 года назад
I've flown in and out of this airport at least a dozen times (as a passenger) , it was used at least weekly in the nice weather back in the seventies, I personally was only flown in and out on CH-47 Chinook helicopters (In employment of the Army Training Camp that was located across the road.) But there are stories that more than once C-130 Hercules have landed there, and that's the reason the strip had never been reduced to less than 3000 feet I honestly don't know if that's true, you know old Army stories :) Another note right by the front windsock used to be a full baseball diamond (softball), I played there for our team dozens of times :) One last note and I just checked this one it's true, despite the conditions and wind shear etc, there has never been an aircraft accident reported at the airport.
@Ash-um8er
@Ash-um8er 2 года назад
Now how in the actual fuck would a C-130 land on that strip. There ain’t no way
@MountainParameters
@MountainParameters 2 года назад
Hi Mike, there was an accident at that field that I can personally recall that happened in 1981. Plane skidded off the end of the runway and across the Trans Canada Highway, stopping in the ditch on the SW side of the highway. Occupants were injured, but survived. A few years after that, a family of 4 from the USA took off rom the airport and crashed a few minutes later in Healy Creek. The two parents did not survive, the two young daughters did survive, giving substance to a survival story of heroism on the part of the youngest daughter that made international headlines at the time. Having lived in Banff since 1971, I've never heard of a C-130 landing here.
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC 2 года назад
@@Ash-um8er A stone stock C-130 can land on an aircraft carrier with NO hook ... so it could technically land at Banff, weather or not that happened is of course another story.
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC 2 года назад
@@MountainParameters Maybe they kept it quiet? Or too old it's not included? It's not recorded on the online database
@MountainParameters
@MountainParameters 2 года назад
@@MikeBaxterABC Skiing with a friend today who was part of the Parks infrastructure that generated a lot of the paperwork for that closure. He said there have been a number of incidents. He cited a well know prominent local that crashed his Cessna on the field, and also a Beechcraft around 1992 that was trying an eastbound takeoff (all the locals knew that was not a normal takeoff vector) and ended up going through the fence of the Cadet Camp and was a total write-off. So it is indeed odd that the database is not showing a few recorded incidents.
@johnelobo
@johnelobo 2 года назад
nice job ... imagine in dash 7 service to banff and jasper would have been allowed to parks !!!
@jjfromthebigland781
@jjfromthebigland781 2 года назад
The hell?! I lived in Calgary for a decade and had no idea this airstrip existed...
@cgasucks
@cgasucks 2 года назад
That's ok. I live in Vancouver since I was born (I'm 50) and had no idea Banff had their own airport.
@gregNFL
@gregNFL 2 года назад
That's why it was closed. No tourism upside. 🤷🏽‍♂
@Crimin4L
@Crimin4L Год назад
So apparently, a flat, open, 1/2 mile long grass field impedes the movement of wildlife; but a 4 lane, 4645 mile long highway doesn't. Then on top of that, they go on to say "Numerous Gopher Holes and wildlife on runway"... So it impedes the movement of wildlife, while also harboring wildlife, wow. 🤯 That may be the biggest big brain argument I have ever heard in my life.
@joeschenk8400
@joeschenk8400 2 года назад
This was very interesting...note the lenticular cloud at the 18 second mark....thanks for posting.
@fearwidge
@fearwidge 2 года назад
In 1972 & 1973 I ran Trans-Continental "Air Dashes" for antique & classic aircraft across North America. As most had no radios & ranges of ~150 miles, it would have been impossible for most (myself included) to fly from Airdrie to Golden. And - without Banff - even those with a bit longer range would have NO alternate airstrip to land on if the weather turns bad (which it does - frequently - in the mountains). It is NOT easy to fly in or out of this strip (due to its high altitude & frequent heavy turbulence), but it has unquestionably saved numerous Pilot's lives over the decades (not to mention their Passengers...). Note: Imagine they decided to close the ONLY service station where you could re-fuel during a drive through the mountains. Overnight, all passenger cars would be unable to make the trip and Canadians would be unable to drive coast-to-coast across our own country. Does that strike you as fair? Now I realize most people think ALL Pilots must be rich, but most light aircraft Pilots are anything but. We do without a lot of the basics most people take for granted - just so we can own & fly our planes over this BIG country. BTW: We have NEVER paid more than $10K for ANY of the planes we've flown over the past 55 years (and most were under $5K!)
@marclattoni1959
@marclattoni1959 2 года назад
During my aviation mountain training, we did a few approaches in a 172 down to about 500' AGL into CYBA. Tricky bit of flying on a hot summer day!
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 года назад
I actually landed there 'back in the day' in a Piper PA-28-140. The takeoff was equally "interesting!" d'oh ;-)
@ryanmcnair3451
@ryanmcnair3451 2 года назад
Gotta love Federal Government waste as they see saw back and forth on the fate of a grass airstrip over multiple decades.
@trudyziegler4977
@trudyziegler4977 2 года назад
My husband & I used to fly into the Banff airport in the 70s. We would walk into town and have a Brownie Conspiracy at Melissa’s Missteak, then take a cab back to the airport. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
@lindyisgoated28
@lindyisgoated28 2 года назад
Didn’t even know it existed lol
@stephenhunter70
@stephenhunter70 2 года назад
Going on the comments, on here from the locals, saying the very existence of airstrip is a hindrance to wildlife, but not the highway next to it is at best a dramatic exaggeration. In reality the local wildlife couldn't care less about it. Sounds like someone in Ottawa doesn't have much to do! Human facilities removal Manager: We need to remove an asset in Banff. Senior manager: Oh and would that be the town then? Human facilities removal Manager: Nope Senior manager: The railway Human facilities removal Manager: Nope Senior manager: The fence next to the railway separating if from the highway? Human facilities removal Manager: Nope Senior manager: The highway Human facilities removal Manager: Nope Senior manager: The fence separating it from the airstrip? Human facilities removal Manager: Nope Senior manager: Ok what then. Human facilities removal Manager: The unfenced grass airstrip, it's severally hindering the passage of wildlife though the area.
@levisvarela3735
@levisvarela3735 2 года назад
its just a runway, i seen runways with more buildings in a farm
@stevejh69
@stevejh69 2 года назад
Disgusting that Banff National Park is permitted to get away with this. The BS that it is bad just does NOT hold up, when a major highway is right beside it. Shame on Parks Canada that this is permitted.
@elijahrobertscinema6351
@elijahrobertscinema6351 Год назад
I land here in MS Flight Sim all the time. Great approach lol.
@gregsalter
@gregsalter 2 года назад
So, I’m the only one who’s going to point out that Banff played Manchester United (2:13)?
@nemo6686
@nemo6686 2 года назад
When you state that the airstrip was shortened at both ends it would've been helpful to have said why, particularly if it was to enable a highway expansion.
@kevin3434343434
@kevin3434343434 2 года назад
If you are in a Cessna and need to do an emergency landing, you have the paved interstate...
@rizon72
@rizon72 Год назад
When I was a kid my family lived in Calgary we'd go to Banff every weekend in the 70s. Never saw a plane take off or land, but I have a memory of planes there.
@jacesobey6498
@jacesobey6498 2 года назад
Can you do a video on why most airports in Canada begin their 3 letter call signs with Y i.e Windsor YQG, Toronto YYZ, Montreal YUL, Edmonton YEG, Calgary YYC, and Vancouver YVR?
@gerardacronin334
@gerardacronin334 2 года назад
I think it’s Y for Yes, we have a radio!
@jacesobey6498
@jacesobey6498 2 года назад
@@gerardacronin334 Cool
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 2 года назад
Historically, “Y” airports had weather stations, while others did not.
@jacesobey6498
@jacesobey6498 2 года назад
Thanks
@andrewleung5049
@andrewleung5049 2 года назад
There are a few Canadian airports that start with Z. Bathurst, NB and Faro, YK are those that I can remember
@arcanondrum6543
@arcanondrum6543 2 года назад
*-> **5:00** Yeah, but NOT the 2 intersecting Twin Lane divided Highways, complete with Cloverleaf. NOR "the fencing" -> **2:57** Oh and NOT the nearby secondary Road JUST the little used, grass runway "airport" and its' few outbuildings.*
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 года назад
Restricting Jasper and Banff was a ridiculous exercise in politics and PR for the politicians involved to 'win' some favorable press as "champions of the environment." As many others have mentioned, somehow a multi-lane Trans Canada Highway and double-track CP mainline rail are deemed acceptable. AT LEAST the Banff restrictions should be edited to allow for private GA useage while restricting commercial - bringing it in line with the Jasper strip. (Just this one ticked off pilot's opinion. meh... )
@darrentiede3513
@darrentiede3513 Год назад
Had to make a precautionary landing there in May of '15 due to weather. It was great to have that option that day. Sad to see the state of it, gophers have really done a number on it, we used to fly in there regularly back in the day it was a great but you had to use great respect for the wind. Once saw the windsocks were straight out and pointing at each other. The park ranger was waiting for us when we landed, he said his phone lit up with local greenies calling in. Did some paperwork with him, had some lunch in town and were on our way once the weather moved on.
@Dtuba15
@Dtuba15 2 года назад
We have to protect the nature of the area and close this airport… proceeds to build a 2 lane highway and interchange right next to the airport while still trying to shut it down….
@andrewbrown6522
@andrewbrown6522 2 года назад
Living here for the last 20 plus years. Have seen about 3 planes there.
@gregNFL
@gregNFL 2 года назад
It was a real threat to wildlife. 😂
@andrewbrown6522
@andrewbrown6522 2 года назад
@@gregNFL Id be more concerned about the pilots if a big bull decides it's his lawn to graze. Lol
@gregNFL
@gregNFL 2 года назад
@@andrewbrown6522 Always wear a helmet in BNF airstrip!
@andrewbrown6522
@andrewbrown6522 2 года назад
@@gregNFL 😂
@willalot
@willalot 2 года назад
I wonder how much tax dollars were wasted on figuring out if a flat grassy field was harming animals. This country is ridiculous.
@michaelcapponi2
@michaelcapponi2 2 года назад
i lived in banff in 2011-2012 and i walked up here from the lakes whose names escape me up to some lower slopes of cascade mountain fairly often. i think we cut through a bit of this airfield on our walks. it's funny, until you mentioned the buildings weren't removed until recently i wouldn't have been able to tell you there were any buildings. funny how your memory fails you, even something as familiar as that walk i must have done a dozen times. i remember gates and signs and a big cleared area near the mountain slopes, and i definitely remember views from just short hikes up cascade (we were pretty soon limited by impassable/impractical scrambles). i can almost see the direction the trains would snake along towards calgary (saskatoon, medecine hat, hudson bay etc.). but that clear memory still has holes.
@MervynPartin
@MervynPartin 2 года назад
It is like travel insurance- you hope you will never need it, but if the occasion happens where you do, then it will be a life saver, so Parks Canada- just remember that.
@Jadyra
@Jadyra 2 года назад
Thanks for the information on Banff's' runway. I was always curious about it. Do you plan on doing similar vids about Springbank and old McCall field as well?
@brucecanmore3788
@brucecanmore3788 2 года назад
Thanks Alex. Lots of effort went into this video, research, fly by, Sulpher, driving. Excellent story with unbiased facts. I have heard the windsocks don’t always show the same wind direction there. Why two socks I wonder? Migration is a subjective observation. The elk mostly occupy any meadow they can find in the Sunshine. They graze and sleep in my front yard in Canmore. No migrating, just hanging out eating all year long except rut. The stock control fencing along the hiway pretty much assures no migration here. There is a choke point at the base of Cascade Falls where you probably parked. Seasonal opening might make sense. Great story!
@fearwidge
@fearwidge 2 года назад
Two wind socks due to the MOUNTAIN on the north side. If the wind is from the north/N.W., it' goes around both sides and meets in the middle (where there is a LOT of turbulence). So, it's not unusual to see each wind sock blowing in an OPPOSITE direction. A VERY tricky (but CRUCIAL) airstrip.
@luminescentlion
@luminescentlion Год назад
I think we should remove the highway as it impedes the movement of wildlife at the base of the mountain far more.
@billhamilton2366
@billhamilton2366 2 года назад
This question has been bantered around for 50 years. Parks Canada has been trying to have the airport closed since the early 70s because of false claims it disturbs the wildlife until pictures of elk were seeking refuge from rain and sun under the shade of airplane wings. The airport was established as a rest stop while flying east to west and vice versa through the mountains. It was also purposed as an emergency landing area for aircraft having difficulty as well as a place to put down in the event of crappy weather. The federal government have been successful in preventing the left wing nuts and tree huggers from closing the airport and indirectly placing aircraft operating in the area in danger. There are a few in every crowd who think their agenda is way more important than the safety or concerns of others.
@honkhonk8009
@honkhonk8009 2 года назад
Dont trust any wildlife conservationist that dont like hunting/fishing. If any conservationist is naïve enough to think that hunting/fishing is a conflict of interest, then they are doing it purely out of ego and political will. NOT out of genuine conservationism. If anything at all though, Elk using airplane wings are refuge from Rain shouldv been actual reason to shut it down. Goes to show these people dont care about the environment, and think about wildlife like some disney channel shit, rather than a system we gotta preserve.
@tylercousins7779
@tylercousins7779 2 года назад
Interesting video. Shows how slow, stupid and useless our government is.
@HiFiBaller
@HiFiBaller 2 года назад
Curious the last plane to land there, and why
@darrinsteven7002
@darrinsteven7002 2 года назад
7 studies and 3.7 million dollars later the 2 flat grass airstrip are saved.
@lordravenscrag
@lordravenscrag Год назад
I always assumed that rich people always get whatever they want.
@sdot5389
@sdot5389 Год назад
You’re burying the lead here. At 2:22 there’s a line in the paper about Manchester United Football Club playing Banff.
@toddgunther8272
@toddgunther8272 Год назад
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice!
@dwaynepenner2788
@dwaynepenner2788 2 года назад
I have landed there a few times in the nineties. There is no way that would ever be a good location for scheduled commercial service, environmental reasons not included. If the windsocks (one at each end of the strip) are still there you can frequently see them pointing at each other. That’s what happens when you put an airstrip at the junction of two (argualbably three) valleys not to mention the turbulence right down to the deck…you often had to carry an extra 5 or 10 knots just to account for stalls related to the sudden changes in wind direction. Even when it was fenced there were often animals on the strip.
@gregNFL
@gregNFL 2 года назад
True that. It was nice for local pilots though.
@jamesyouldon6704
@jamesyouldon6704 2 года назад
I am guessing so planes can land there.
@ahome3406
@ahome3406 2 года назад
Really don’t like what happened to it. Banff needs a commercial airport! Calgary is too far away. Vail has its own airport, Banff should too.
@dwaynepenner2788
@dwaynepenner2788 2 года назад
Vail isn’t in a national park. And the Vail airport is actually pretty tricky.
@petermorris925
@petermorris925 2 года назад
A network of emergency only strips, close to towns and services but without all the issues that any active airstrip creates, is essential for general aviation safety. Especially in that flight corridor, where IMC is always a risk. But the Township of Banff absolutely does not need an active air field, Springbank (YBW) is more than close enough.
@MikeBabsBC
@MikeBabsBC 2 года назад
AWesome, thank you for making this video! I have always been intrigued by the Banff Airport and the history behind it.... Now if Microsoft Flight Sim would just put it in the right place lol
@mkivhvd2478
@mkivhvd2478 2 года назад
It's not?? There is actually a custom scenery for CYBA in MSFS that appears to be in the right place...is it not that way with default scenery?
@MikeBabsBC
@MikeBabsBC 2 года назад
@@mkivhvd2478 I should qualify that by saying I haven't played the new MS flight simulator, but in the older version it was located on the east side of the highway.
@thorstenwanoth6774
@thorstenwanoth6774 2 года назад
If some guys mow the lawn every few weeks things should be OK. As far as migratory wildlife is concerned the powers that be should close the damned road and banish everyone to go and ride motorcycles
@ghostrider-be9ek
@ghostrider-be9ek 2 года назад
ban all vehicles in the parks and just use horses! LOL
@Green__one
@Green__one 2 года назад
@@ghostrider-be9ek Don't give them ideas. That's exactly the way Parks Canada thinks!
@ghostrider-be9ek
@ghostrider-be9ek 2 года назад
@@Green__one jesus
@meMiner
@meMiner 2 года назад
Could it have been kept during the Cold War as a place for dispersal of a few military aircraft? I think no because it didn't get paved.
@debragardiner5433
@debragardiner5433 2 года назад
I remember riding (racing) horses down the airstrip, when I lived there- trying to avoid those same gopher holes!
@rosedruid
@rosedruid 2 года назад
Hmmm given the state of it the hwy looks almost more tempting. And covers most of the route with emergency “merging” options.
@gregNFL
@gregNFL 2 года назад
Try that between Thursday and Monday when the throngs of Calgarians are on leave. 😆
@bernicemerryman366
@bernicemerryman366 2 года назад
Wonderful post. I grew up in Banff ...God's country, we called it!
@KapitanPisoar1
@KapitanPisoar1 2 года назад
Interesting video, it would be great to see similar video about the Jasper airport.
@keithharley9729
@keithharley9729 2 года назад
You need an area such as that to stage out of for forest fires, not only for a number of Helicopters but fixed wing tankers if necessary. For instance we used Sherman Meadows south of Grande Prairie for fires in the mountains. And yes the animals will still go were ever they want.
@jessemillington5988
@jessemillington5988 2 года назад
well that was incredible, I always wondered what was up with it. learned a bunch today. I am honestly surprised knowing Banff's tourism setting that they didn't try and re-create it as a tourist lodge with the old hangers or structures. Since it is tuff to expand in the town site, they still love to make money. This also then leads into the reno's done at the station, entrance and surrounding areas, that part of Banff still has rich history even if you could'nt fly in, but still have lunch at an old building.
@wolphin732
@wolphin732 2 года назад
buildings means it impacts wildlife... and means they would need much more infrastructure in the way of parking at least, and would greatly impact the wildlife corridor at the base of the mountain (which is a nearly sheer cliff)
@ethics3
@ethics3 2 года назад
@@wolphin732 Ummmm.. The " wildlife" could have walked "past" the buildings
@calvinnickel9995
@calvinnickel9995 2 года назад
@ Adam Webster The highway and railway literally impact wildlife.
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 2 года назад
That place would be an awesome FBO and destination. I would fly there from USA and go skiing.
@JTA1961
@JTA1961 Год назад
Instead of a "PROPer" menu they could just serve "plane" food...
@jimhall1864
@jimhall1864 Год назад
I flew part time for Chinook Flying Service Instructing and Charters from 1959 through the 1960’s and remembered the fun weekend picnic fly-ins that we had to BA. BBQ’s and food was mandatory. Some would do competition spot-landings, while others would pay for an airplane and instructor and fly the mountain ridges getting experience at mountain flying and short field landings. If my memory serves me correctly most aircraft back then that used BA did not require prior permission. Some just contacted Parks Canada to make them aware they were using it with the date and time. There was a military building in the clearing to the NE end of the runway. I believe it was also used for the Cadets summer camp. Once or twice a year the military flew their C47 in to BA which I expect was with military Brass for the cadet program and to give the cadets airplane rides in the Dak. As this was a well used valley route for civilian aircraft flying from the west coast to Calgary and return, there were many that went overdue in this area. The military also used the C47 for spotters for mock search exercises. They would land at BA and feed the spotters lunch at the cadets mess-hall, whether it was a practice or an actual search. Back then there was a pay telephone between the highway and runway for aircraft that had to land due weather, to phone Air Radio (now known as FSS) to close or extend their flight plan. BA was one of the few grass airports that was maintained, so many aircraft owners would fly to BA to get their first experience landing on something else beside asphalt. My career was ATC. Many times there were passengers getting off Airlines and Private Company aircraft from elsewhere. After landing they would immediately board either a company, or charter a light twin with a destination to a fancy hotel in BA for their holidays. The aircraft would return to pick them up weeks later, then back to Calgary and they would depart on Airlines or a Co aircraft back to the USA. There were times before a fence around the airport was built that Elk would graze on and around the runway. which gave the pilot an excuse to do a low and over to try to scatter them. They were the good old days. JH
@Brick-Life
@Brick-Life 2 года назад
Awesome Banff. I went here in Sep 2019. Amazing place!
@bernicemerryman366
@bernicemerryman366 2 года назад
I grew up there...sheer Heaven!
@kopazwashere
@kopazwashere Год назад
CYBA. Shame. If the B was replaced with K... but I bet CYKA is already taken. Yup, CYKA is taken, Kamloops airport. LOL!
@jamesrempel1455
@jamesrempel1455 Год назад
Great idea to keep the airport open. Much safer than landing on the highway during an emergency.
@ourv9603
@ourv9603 2 года назад
Same ol', Same ol, Same ol, Special interest steps in & throws a wrench into the works. If a small plane needs to make an emergency landing they can land on Trans Canada hwy. !
@topduk
@topduk Год назад
They want peasants to stay in expensive "campsites" and lodgings, not fly in/out unless real citizens like Trudeau and the King.
@ghostrider-be9ek
@ghostrider-be9ek 2 года назад
I would like to see Parks Canada's logic - they just push theories without any explanation, but do they actually have merit? I understand the need to keep all traffic within the parks under control - otherwise it would grow very quickly. Banff could quickly become a hop for Springbank students with their touch and goes.
@shiranthas
@shiranthas 2 года назад
Lot of information on this airstrip! Thx Alex.
@unclemaverick3420
@unclemaverick3420 2 года назад
Used. Had to make an emergency pee!
@TheFragmentor
@TheFragmentor 2 года назад
Interesting subject ruined by hard-to-listen-to monotone robotic voice. I bailed out half way through.
@ramk6325
@ramk6325 2 года назад
Metics. Metrics. Metrics. Please put the numbers in metrics for the other 7 billion people on earth who aren’t Americans.
@stevemino142
@stevemino142 2 года назад
I used to live in Banff alberta it's quite simple why there is an airport in Banff because of natural state of that area is why so many people are attracted to come to Banff alberta also its quite isolated especially in the winter months and road conditions can be dangerous at times
@geographyinaction7814
@geographyinaction7814 Год назад
Technically it isn't Banff, Alberta. Banff and Jasper are National Parks which exclude them from provincial association. They do have a political affiliation for political purposes, ie. provincial and municipal elections, but aside from that are National Parks and not part of Alberta.
@glennstiller7616
@glennstiller7616 2 года назад
That was interesting. Would one on Jasper be worthwhile?
@TheWoodFly
@TheWoodFly 2 года назад
It's a rockin' rnuway! Glad it's there. Only the knarly pilots need apply! ACTUALLY, telling the pax we may or MAY NOT get in there based on weather and runway condition, and WHEN we can't, CALGARY is our clear alternative is the preferred professional pilot approach. But when the stars and planets align, it is a GLORIOUS approach (then get the hell out of dodge, reposition and tell them the safest place to depart from is the MAJOR airport) is both prudent and safe.
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