this is why i appreciate when anyone can speak even a little bit of another language. i only speak english so i think it’s very cool to see that people can speak more than one language!
RM is a King of passive aggression and I am loving it. It is mostly towards those who are begging for it. His passive aggression is also delivering message pretty clear as his English though xD
that one on the Zach sang show about the possible jb collab... daamn "it's not a dream, we're in the same company" (5:08 in this interview ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DSEzBwnQt7g.html )
As a former English teacher, I didn't care if my students English wasn't perfect, if they could communicate then that is their goal. It doesn't need to be perfect on a conversation;/spoken platform. RM is not only speaking, he is translating and interpreting, that's a handful besides probably monitoring content....and btw he speaks Japanese too..........we should be praising people like this! What a fantastic example he is.
Exactly! My parents immigrated to the US from Germany and it took a while before they actually started thinking in English rather than running the translation through their heads from German to English. I'm sure RM, as fluent as he is in English, still thinks mainly in Korean so he is having to run translations through his head at least some of the time, even if it's happening so quick it's not really noticeable. When my mom would go back to Germany for visits she had to readjust to thinking in German again and it would take her a few days, even though German was her native language. And we use different parts of our brain to retain another language. My dad had a friend who was Hispanic and spoke English fluently but had a medical condition they didn't know about until he woke up one day and could no longer speak English....it was completely gone. The condition he had, sadly eventually shut down the rest of his brain over time and he lost the ability to do different things one thing after another, but the part of your brain that holds the information of another language is not the same as where all your root information is embedded as you learn and grow from infancy. Anyone who learns to speak other languages....or learns to do anything new that takes time and practice to learn...should be encouraged and admired. Heck, English is my native language and I certainly don't speak it perfectly...nevermind retain the German I learned but didn't use regularly enough to become fluent. I can't even imagine trying to learn Korean or Japanese or Chinese.....the writing alone looks like artwork to me. In English we have a lot of silent letters and words like 'enough' where the gh sounds like an f. Languages are complicated. They all deserve their efforts to be recognized and praised...they other six have greatly improved in their English skills. They all have to constantly learn new songs, new choreography, adjust the choreography for performances on different stages, keep up their social media, have interviews and appointments coming out their ears both at home and abroad, take care of their physical and mental health and much more and still try to find time for their families and friends. It must be exhausting sometimes....more than sometimes. And they are all learning English on top of everything else. I'd like to see anyone who makes fun of them manage to do even half of what they do. Wow...that got quite lengthy, didn't it?
@@monicabohn2476 That's so cool. It's like our native language is the operating system, and a new language is an additional integrated program. Thanks for explaining that. I don't know much about Korean, but from what I understand, their grammar structure is different too. So, in English, we would say "I want to sleep". But if we wanted to learn Korean, we would have to get used to the fact that a) They don't always say "I", because it's implied and b) the "want to" part comes after their word for "sleep". They use different endings to indicate the participle. That would feel backwards to us, so I imagine it feels backwards to them. So it's not just vocabulary, plus weird rules, plus a different alphabet system. It's also a different way of thinking. I give mad props to anyone who learns another language, especially when they can think in it. They've upgraded their brain, lol.
I agree with your thinking and I thought my english getting better when I had english teacher like you during my university's life, me myself rarely use english in my daily conversation, I prefer to use my own language but I will use english in any comment in social media in order to preserve my english skill otherwise it will bury and rusty, sorry for my bad english
@@audreyhogan8285 Sadly yes, I must agree that this is true; many (probably most) Americans consider America the center of the universe (even if they don't fully realize they have that point of view). This concept is called by historians/social scientists as "American Exceptionalism." However, I am here to say that not ALL of us feel this way... Some of us appreciate the differences in and contributions from other countries & cultures. Some of us are bilingual by choice (meaning we studied to attain those skills, as RM has done.) So I hope non-Americans will keep this thought in mind about us. : )
His English is great, people don’t look for perfection, he is not teaching English. He is helping manage the biggest boy band, biggest pop band. Maybe they are the biggest number in pop. He is dancing and he writes and what not, people who interview them know this. I remember one interview where they asked him what places he wanted to visit..he gave two and in and out..it was very relatable, no body is going to remember, oh yeah I remember when he made a mistake, when he does it is just cute and interesting. It is 12 I am sleepy 😴
Facts.... Cause I speak English and sometimes I would say an in correct sentence. And it doesn't help that I am Jamaican and we change up every single word in the English dictionary. 😅🇯🇲
Being a person whose first & only language is English, RM speaks excellent English far better than some other native born English speakers. He tends to speak though with an American influence, but America has actually bastardised the UK English language (the fatherland of English) and so has Australia each has there own slang, and words. So the last people who should try to critique RM on English expression is Americans.
@@pamelakrause9311 Comment: I don't want to offend anyone who is different. A lot of native english speakers don't take it for granted that you speak english and they also learn other languages. Just remember that there's always more than one type of people. Native English speakers usually don't have to learn another language very well because it is the third most spoken language worldwide, especially in (huge companies and) the entertainment industry. So some native english speakers didn't learn an other language and will naturally hardly understand how difficult it is. Besides, in their environment everyone speaks english, so they assume (naively) that everyone should speak their language. Of course this is kind of rude/arrogant, but why would we take them serious. Some people simply don't want to understand it and spread hate to make themselves feel better. RM's english skills are great. I wish I could speak like that.
@@pamelakrause9311 yes, plus anyone will do anything to accomplish 5% of what he has accomplish and on top of that learn foreign language as well as he has. 5% is a high estimate, my accomplishments are around .0004% haha
Yeah, I mean I’m chinese and sometimes I don’t really understand them but I don’t really care how they speak or hpw fluent they are to that language I can just turn on the subtitles and I won’t complain cuz I love the boys ♡︎♥︎
I’m not sure he makes intentional “errors”, but I can notice a difference in his English when you can tell his brain is tired, or he’s out of practice. That’s completely normal. I think people generally think that once you learn a language, it’s locked in for life, and that’s SO not true. Additional languages are often ‘use it or lose it’.
My parents immigrated to the US when they only spoke German. My mom said people would sometimes make fun of her as she was learning to speak English which made her feel more insecure about it...but there were also those people who encouraged her and instead of making fun of her mistakes, helped her to learn from those mistakes. It takes a while for your brain to adjust and start actually thinking in a different language. My parents eventually started thinking in English, rather than running everything through translation in their heads and when my mom would go back to Germany to visit she would have to readjust to thinking in German and it would take her a few days even though German is her native language. When not used regularly you can stumble even in your own native language. You are absolutely correct that a second language is not just locked in for life and anyone who can speak in another language should be encouraged and praised....it takes a lot of work and practice...especially to become fluent. :)
I bet if we compared interviews where his translations are brief to their schedule, they're likely the ones at the end of a long day of press, after a flight, when he was feeling under the weather, or otherwise exhausted. I speak multiple languages and have had to be the only one translating for my group in the past (though thankfully never on camera in front of millions!), and the brain really does just get tired.
Indeed, especially since he’s translating for the others the whole time. So he’s probably thinking in Korean, then translating what they say and his answers very quickly. Switching back and forth is much harder on your brain than sticking to just one
RM is the best English speaking Korean, it's amazing how well he has studied the language & continues to do so. And I like how he translating these days, in interviews he is confident & gives the others a chance to shine, as they have improved their english skills so much & they are becoming more fluent in the language, like RM is.
you'll probably find the best english speaking koreans are the ones who actually studied and lived abroad. Example, Jennie and Rosé BLACKPINK, Felix and Bang Chan Straykids etc
Can we not compare him to people who were either born or have lived in an English speaking country? Rose is an Australian basically. Jennie lived in New Zealand for years before moving back to Korea. Same with Taec-yeon who lived in the US for a quite long time too.
I grew up bilingual and I STILL start losing one of the languages I grew up with when I don’t use it. It’s honestly impressive how he’s managed to keep his English skills to this level while living in Korea. You can kinda tell when he’s out of practice but for someone who’s self taught, this level of fluency is beyond impressive
English is just a language, language have meant to be communicate.nothing else.they have proven themselves that talent doesn't require any language medium.
Hey, i respect Namjoon a lot for his numerous skills… rapping skill, creative skill, leadership skill, demolition skill, goofing skill, dancing skill, buffing-up-muscle skill ☺️☺️ (now this extra special skill) and a whole lot of other skills… particularly his english speaking skill…!!! Come ON… Lets give it up for NAMJOON…!!! 🎉👏🏼🎉👏🏼🎉👏🏼🎉
Namjoon deserves to be the leader. A lot of people disrespect him sometimes, but they don't understand how much hard work he puts into everything he does. He's the leader for a reason, he can lead.💜
I am an English teacher too, and I find RM’s ability to communicate “absolutely amazing.” He is eloquent, articulate, and thoughtful. He’s got good rate, tone, and communicative competence! Yes, as Susan said below, he is multitasking: answering, asking, and listening to other members and translating. That’s a lot to do. I am in that spot also, and always realize how focused you must be to do all that at once, and he does it amazingly well by keeping such calm and collected posture, tone, and with humor and warmth. I often saw how happy and proud he was feeling when other members communicated in English. I can totally feel his intellect and great character when he speaks. Hip Hip Hooray for Nam Joon.
I'm 26 and I speak 5 languages. I can say that making mistakes from time to time when speaking a language is very normal, and it definitely doesn't make you less intelligent.
I studied French at A level and French literature at university and I could only hope to be as fluent as RM in my second language. The grammar police are what makes it so hard for people to develop in a second language. “Haters gonna hate … live your life man” Mic drop.
for goodness sake! there's no hidden meaning - RM is joking, sorta being sarcastic, by breaking down what they say into easy 3/4 word sound bytes. it's funny and it's how they speak sometimes as shorthand. plus it has added feature of letting people who don't speak English try to understand what he's saying by using simple words. I like x.. he hates z....cool!
I agree....since the rest of the group have been learning English during 2020...and lightening the load off RM. I bet they are at the point that they can understand short sentences in English, giving a reason why RM is answering in that way: helping out his 'brothers' in their English lessons while doing interviews.
If I’m not mistaken, this Is not the first time Namjoon. , did this kind of translations. It’s a fun translation and made the members laugh as well as ARMY.
Seeing someone criticize another person for making a mistake in a language that's not his or her mother tongue, is the cheapest thing I know. Like really, people even make mistakes in their own language, and you mock someone for this foreign language mistake🤔, come on🙄 Even machines make mistakes, it's only natural for the human then.
i don’t think i’ve ever heard someone saying they actually have a funny handsome guy in their school, which really leaves me wondering, do these types of guys just not go to school? do they just like show up out of nowhere in their 20s? 😂😂
First: "No overseas schooling experiences"?Didn't Jin go to school in NZ for a short time? Second: It is exactly because "RM's every word has a huge influence worldwide" that he must continue his studies - and he knows this. I am sure the Boys study other languages diligently. I'm really proud of them. 😊👍💜
Spot on ..... these videos about BTS aren't always correct with what they state; it is well known that Jin studied abroad. jk is also learning English, and V has said he struggles with it. Kudos to them for knowing different languages, and for always trying to connect with their fans.
I've been criticized by koreans when I've tried to speak korean, they even told me "as a korean I find that disrespectful, please just stop trying to speak korean because it sounds so wrong is embarrassing " , so not sure why this person is trying to make a point when koreans themselves don't like foreigners, they are disrespectful to foreigners and they don't like when we try to learn or speak korean. How do I know? I've been in Korea long enough to find out for myself. Btw, I'm not American and my first language is Spanish, I speak English, some Hindi, Punjabi, Turkish, Lebanese, and now trying to learn Korean, I've never experienced racism and humiliation in my face like I experienced in Korea 😭 but you can't stop me loving myself or BTS 😜💜
If those who critizised you are women, it might be just because you are a forreigner and they feel threatened because of that. Korean women/girls know that korean guys like or even prefer forreign girls, so they often openly show hate to non-asian women, especially if you're young and attractive. Many youtubers who lived/lives in korea reported about this behaviour. So maybe it wasn't really your pronounciation that was wrong but mostly your whole "pretty forreign girl" aura...😏
The last line of comment as well as reply are so Savage 😂😂 I love it guys seriously 😎 Well.. my mother tongue is Bengali but in our school, I had English as first language and Hindi as second language... Now the thing is, many foreign people never fail to criticize us Indians, because according to them "Indians can't pronounce the words correctly, and that their English accent is really bad"... Well what I don't understand is that why does accent actually matter ?? Isn't it quite obvious that people living in different countries will have different accent ?? I really don't get it why people have to insult or criticize or even bully others just for being different... I myself have been criticised by two of my college mates.. The were from America.. Idk what exactly they thought about themselves because most of the students got criticised by them, just because we don't pronounce English like they do.. People are so bad nowadays 😔😔😔😔
@@baby_but_a_stay_forever , it is strange, but people are strange. People talk about how much they like a French or Italian accent, yet criticize other accents, very strange to me. I enjoy hearing different accents and languages. The only problem is sometimes I can't understand what is being said, so I have to keep asking the other person to repeat themselves. After asking 3+ times or whatever, I just feel like an idiot. But whoever is giving you a hard time regarding your accent sounds a tad xenophobic, and a lot rude.
Namjoon's English is amazing, he should be really proud of himself, I am english and people from acroos the pond try to tell us that we don't speak proper English, really !
Americans tell Brits they don't speak English properly, is that what you're saying?? That must be a joke, how could anyone say that seriously? WE GOT it from you, how could yours be the wrong version?? hahahaaa If anything Americans think Brits speak more posh than we do, I'd say. We do think you spell a few words weird though. hahaha j/k
don’t give Namjoon a hard time for English speaking. I would also correct him too. I might correct him when I meet him. I don’t know when that will be. I like the members trying to speak more English but please don’t give them a hard time with their English. 💜🥺
Don't worry, he just reminds haters to listen to Cypher pt.4 again. *"Pronunciation, pronunciation!" sorry bae* -Kim Namjoon, Cypher pt.4 Btw, my mother tongue is also not english, but if someone has a passion for speaking a language, then why all the hate? Be happy that he loves to speak english, and he enjoys it. Even if he makes grammar mistakes, people can still understand him.
You make such a good point! I think we should applaud him for his passion. Also, as an American, it's my opinion that RM's English.... AND YOURS.... are both phenomenal 👏 Why do ppl feel the need to put others down? Do they really believe it makes themselves look better somehow?
We all make mistakes while speaking/writing/communicating, even in our own mother tongue. No matter in which country we live in. Not everybody can be a Shakespeare, neither RM wants to be one. Critics are everywhere even if they are wrong themselves. RM is doing his best in everything he can & we TRUE ARMY'S can feel it🌸 Namjoonie I Purple You 💜✨💜
His spoken English is fine as he gets his message across clearly. As for the interview you showed when he was saying things like, V, pictures, whow etc they were to me him having fun maybe even poking fun at those who bad mouthed his spoken English.
I honestly just assume he's tired of translating all of the time- even though he's really good at speaking english it's still probably hard to be expected to go back and forth- he's not a professional translator and he probably also gets tired of being kind of the only one talking if he just completely repeats whatevery one else says.
@@sakitoby1581 I've been waiting to say this... I feel Ellen DeG. was very disrespectful. If BTS didn't know what 'hook up' meant, she took advantage of their blank faces...and then she asked it Again! just for laughs. I'm not sure about the S. Korean culture, but I'm pretty sure it's not okay to ask someone, on national TV, if they've "slept with someone" I was uncomfortable for BTS, but RM and V handled it perfectly...well done boys! I was mad at Ellen for trying to trick someone who doesn't speak English. It was very small of her. As another commenter said, "America is not the center of the universe." PS.. Her gag of having someone jump out of the box next to RM was also very mean... just to get a laugh, at the expense of her guests. I can't imagine anyone who loves being scared like that. It's only funny if you're Ellen. Again I was so embarrassed on their behalf. How caring was RM to turn around and make sure everyone was okay. "Love that man!" I hope they never agree to American Talk Shows again. There, I'm done, thank you. Purple 💜 💜💜💜
@@scottmiller8649Many agree with you that Ellen was rude. Part of it I feel is due to her particular sense of humor; she likes slightly inappropriate, risqué joking and often likes to tease her guests but I will say this, I don't believe she was picking on them for being foreign; she actually makes a lot of her guests squirm with probing questions about their love lives that she knows they don't want to answer. It is cringey but it's her comedic interview style...I don't love it. I rather think because they are young, popular, hot guys & because RM's English is so good, she thought he'd be familiar w/the term "hookup." She/her staff didn't research well to realize these are polite young men from a rather modest, respectful culture...even if they HAD done fan hookups, they'd never discuss. Totally agree the scaring stuff is obnoxious and so rude. I've always hated that. But I would never wish them to avoid American talk shows! Those are how I began learning how amazing the members are!! I'm so glad they've gone on those shows to show how talented & delightful they truly are! Their early appearances on Fallon, Corden & Colbert made me love this group! Fallon & Corden especially really love the 7 guys and consider them close friends. So it's had positives as well... Borahae 💜☺
He is not only caring for international army by speaking English but Korean army to understand what are they talking about..short and sweet communication skill is all I can name it
To all of RM's critics of his English, I ask.....How much Korean do you speak....fluently? I can understand RM perfectly; his message always comes across. English speakers don't speak correctly, so why expect a non-English speaker to? People are hypocritical.
Small Correction to your post; RM spent some time studying English at a school in New Zealand and Jin's family sent him to a school in Melbourne, Australia to learn English. He found it difficult and after a while, returned to Korea.
Lol, even here in the USA 🇺🇸 we don't speak English correctly, it changes from state to state, and there are 50 states so you will get a lot of changes in the English language 😉
He does that so that the people who find it difficult to speak English understand it . It's insensible to say he has wrong grammar sense he is way better than many native english speakers
remember when he used to translate the whole sentence well sometimes just taking out words out of the thing is easier I do it too everyone's does it unconsciously its like saying " i want water" and breaking it down to " water plz" or just "water"
I am really proud of RM for his achievements with communicating the English language. I’ve traveled to a lot of countries and had struggled with speaking their language Including South Korea..The essence of attempting to speak a foreign language is to respect communications of understanding and patience . And that’s what RM has implemented very well.. The pressure he’s under is like a diplomat representing his country to the world. He always under media coverage and RM handles it superbly .. Tell me, how many haters can achieve that feat. You go RM👍💜
He did it so other members can learn English by speaking in simple words. That's how we first learn a language back when we are kid. We say mom apple eat
It could also be a way to help increase the other members vocabulary. Using what we consider "broken" sentences can help the other members in future answer those questions themselves.
RM is korean he doesn't have to speak perfect english as long as the message gets accross.. he a smart guy .. he's just sticking it to the haters out there🤣🤣
Exactly! As long as u can deliver the msg properly and u can understand it, correct grammar is not always needed! We are not in school anymore where u need to follow everything to have a good grades!✌️
I agree, he is doing a wonderful job! As are the other members as well. Most Americans do no speak a second language and although we take these courses in school. We rarely have the opportunity to use them and so they never become developed. Yet, there are Americans that speak more than one language. BTS's hard work is very much appreciated!!!
What's important is as long as you can communicate which is the end goal it's fine. Imagine doing series of interviews can also be tiring. He has done this before and we love him for it bec we find it funny. Now he's doing it again and still love him more. That's Namjoon making the mood lighter and easier for us to understand. Love you Namjoon!! 💜💜💜
RM has been doing that kind of rough translation way back. That's why 'strong power thank you' was born 😂😂 and been used by ARMYs ever since. It's cute 😆, so don't mind the haters.🔥💜
How can anyone criticize this man on his English! Honestly, I praise him AND he even has the accent down, too. Namjoon speaks better English than many reporters, journalist, and MCs when I click on the TV. The fact that Namjoon uses “wrong sentences” when translating is probably because of time and, let’s face it, he’s probably tired of translating and gives the main points. (I mean, how many interviews has he had to translate for his 6 members especially during a promotion period?) I’m sorry. Namjoon, along with his fellow members, are so hardworking, creative, and intelligent. I’m so over the negative people out there who continue to try and bring these amazing human beings down. Borahae, loves! 💜🤟🏼
For me it's not a matter of lacking grammar skills.... is his extremelly intelligent and has a sassy sense of humour!!!... He's cleverly lightening the mood during interviews. Through sumarizing long sentences in two or three significant words, he reinforces the focal ideas while surprising the listener so the level of attention don'nt drop... Members reacting to it make it more enjoyable!!! he's really a genius!!!... And I love them all!!!
There is no pressure on anybody to speak fully English so remember English is just a language and only understanding English is ok and don’t knowing some words 💜
i feel like he's translating that way so its easier for the other members to start picking up words too during interviews, he's pointing out the key words and english people will understand and to a degree the other members and maybe even other non english speakers can pick up the short translations too. so it helps teach while not being a full translation that loses non english speakers. i think it's better that way because it helps more people to understand, rather than just english speakers. it's actually pretty smart and inclusive tbh
First, your videos are brilliant, consise, clear and intelligent. Well done! I trust your material. Next, Nam-joon continues to blow me away. He humbles me by his genius. It is easy to forget that he is young. He is now only in his mid 20's. How many folks in the world... regardless of their age... has successfully and respectfully fielded international press and global media for 8 years mostly in his second or third language, spoke at the UN, been a leader of the most popular group on the planet, co-created brilliant works of art and exquisite entertainment for centuries to come, besides being the voice between his group and his label, he is also given voice for humanity's youth, written and produced to date over 170 songs, became a multimillionaire from nothing, affected national and global social intolerance, educational systems, economy, art, fashion, beauty norms, mental health issues, equality and human rights. All at the same time managing, protecting, guiding and facilitating 6 other young creative head strong geniuses. Nam-joon I salute you. You make me proud to be part of the human race. You demonstrate that there really is hope for the future. May you be at peace, balanced, centered, healthy, happy, loved, nurtured, nourished, respected, eased, admired, treasured and protected. I find it comforting and clever that he is being so deliberate about how he interacts with his critical interpretations between the world and BTS.
Bruhhh, he just translates like that 'cuz it is shorter, understandable, funny. Call it the lazy translation way, y'all have never spoken like that? I do it when I'm way too tired to speak correctly. It is not a big deal.
Have some one can hate him without even know him well ?? He is a kindhearted person who always cares about fans and his group and so clever and the best person who can be the leader of this incredible boy band. In my opinion all of the BTS guys are a real gentlemans and super talented in music and no one have right to talking disrespect about them or even anyone else without know the personor the people well . And if you ask me I can not imagine this group without dear mr. Kim Namjoon . And I'm sure the BTS members and other armys are agree with me :)
I'm not knowledgeable at all about BTS as a group or individuals, but RM's fluent English speaking intrigues me. And this video highlighted something interesting to me. RM using basic English to add onto things the other members say could be unknowingly, or knowingly, helping them to learn English very slowly. Notice how the words RM uses when translating, though basic, are key words of the full sentence the other members use. Could be a useful tool in helping them form sentences in the future, if they hear it enough times. Obviously taking lessons of some sort to learn a language is a better way to learn, but it's still a neat thing that he does. Not sure if he's doing it intentionally, I've heard him speak in full sentences before, and he's fluent. But the fact that he translates in this way is actually very helpful to the other members, whether they know it or not.
My mom is fluent in both English and Korean and actually has worked as a translator for over 10 years. Even she says that she is impressed with Namjoon's translations. She says that they are very efficient and bring the point of the question across more succinctly that the original interview question.
Namjoon is the best leader there ever will be ! . Its true though why use perfect sentence when you can pass a sentence message more easily ? I would also do it it makes sense
People just want to criticize him... He has already showed that his English pronunciation and language level is very good💜 Such short explanationa show that he understands what they were talking about.. I absolutely love when Namjoon speaks in English, I watched his UNICEF speech 2018 about 10 times, it excites me everytime 💜
Oh wow... to me, I figured Namjoon was just getting tired of interpreting/translating after probably 10+ interviews on Butter, so that’s why he was just saying keywords at the end. I definitely didn’t think it was that deep lol. Their Butter interviews have also seemed super relaxed compared to previous eras. RM has been so much more chill
Oh goodness who cares if he gets it wrong now and then?! He’s learning! As a bi-lingual person learning Korean (I already speak English & Spanish) RM’s English amazes me the fact that he learned it watching episodes of Friends amazes me even more. Stop being so critical especially if you can’t do any better. And even if you can…don’t be a hater!
Who cares if they can speak English or not,their action speak volume of their being genius in what they're good at.....singing,performing,and dancing. That's all what we need from these amazing young men!!✌🏼👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
