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Why Can't Hollywood Get Computers Right? | Netflix's FUBAR Debunked 

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It's sort of a given that Hollywood gets computer stuff wrong, but every now and again they get it hilariously wrong. I actually really like Netflix's FUBAR, featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger. But this one part of one episode made me cringe just a little.
Special thanks to @necro_ware for letting me use footage of his effort to overclock a 386SX!
His video is here: • Let's overclock an old...
00:00 - Intro
01:12 - What is this episode of FUBAR about?
02:41 - The hero team gets locked in a 'Russian 386 clone'-controlled bunker
03:18 - Introducing the KOSMO2 Russian 386 clone
04:16 - The bunker's "control software"
04:49 - The Terminator pulls the Y2K lever
08:16 - How to overclock according to Hollywood: "More power"
08:58 - Burning down the... CPU fan...
09:20 - Soup can lids: great for cans, great for fans
10:38 - What they got wrong
16:57 - How could this scene have been written differently?
18:20 - Conclusion and usual RU-vidr End of Video business
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@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
Goofs: 1) Sorry about the background music. Don't know why but every now and again the mostly hushed background music suddenly pops out after YT processing. Was a bit too eager to get this video out and didn't really notice how strong it was. 2) Oops! I typoed/messed up on True Lies' date! As others have pointed out.. it's 1994, not 1992. 3) I forgot with DOS, etc, the RTC only is consulted at startup - after that time is governed by other circuitry. Speed of clock can be influenced, but only with specific mods and definitely not just 'MOAR POWER'. 4) Did I mention my math sucks? I calculated going from 12mhz to 40mhz was a 330% increase. Actually it's 233%.
@grumpybunny
@grumpybunny 11 месяцев назад
That was literally my first thought... I googled it not 5 seconds after you said it.
@Thrakus
@Thrakus 11 месяцев назад
Computer should have been Iskra-1030 black model as it did look very much like a Wang , This way they could use a Wang witch would pass , Used a transparent keyboard blue or black , So show it from bit away but its broken adding more time witch works in the story and why its not the right keyboard.
@techdistractions
@techdistractions 11 месяцев назад
Did you overclock😆
@mccrh7737
@mccrh7737 11 месяцев назад
Lol, ATX standards are about 2 years off 😆😅 not sure if any one noticed the system they were using was ATX 😅
@Pasi123
@Pasi123 11 месяцев назад
@@mccrh7737 And the case is clearly from the early 2000s and the insides look like it might be a Pentium 4 or Athlon XP system
@bryndaldwyre3099
@bryndaldwyre3099 11 месяцев назад
Guess what, you're not actually spoiling the show. You're saving us from putting ourselves through another terrible offering. Thankyou.
@metalwolf112002
@metalwolf112002 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, i was considering watching this show, but i tend to get irritated if they lean too much on technobable. My wife wasnt amused when i was watching the new macguyver because i would give her a breakdown of pretty much everything wrong with every episode. Sorry, you are not charging a cellphone (or satellite phone, i forget which) with a kite in a thunderstorm. That lightning strike might be Benjamin Franklin attempting to smite you for making fun of him.
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 месяцев назад
@@metalwolf112002of course you can charge a phone that way. You just need to disable the firewall and reset the IRQ and DMA buffers, and then make sure the lightning gets rerouted through an active subspace tachyon matrix you’re generating in the main deflector dish, _duh._
@frankowalker4662
@frankowalker4662 11 месяцев назад
I completely agree. I will not be watching this.
@Zeem4
@Zeem4 11 месяцев назад
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated You can also use hydrocoptic marzelvanes, which effectively prevent side-fumbling.
@alfredosilvaneto
@alfredosilvaneto 10 месяцев назад
This bothered me, but the show is fun. It's dumb, but fun.
@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy 10 месяцев назад
This kind of thing always drives me crazy. And the sad part is, most of the time I see this sort of thing, it could have been easily fixed had they bothered to ask somebody that knows something about computers (or physics, chemistry, history, or whatever is being misrepresented) and with minor script changes, still keep the plot they were working with.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 10 месяцев назад
I gotta think in 2023 it wouldn't even take much more than a few minutes of googling to get a sense of what would be plausible. And yes, lots of experts in various fields would happily consult for a production like this and not even seek payment or credit. They'd just be thrilled someone asked them.
@ChaoticKrisis
@ChaoticKrisis 10 месяцев назад
They actually do tend to consult people, they just ignore their advice because they think it doesn't make for good tv/cinema
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 10 месяцев назад
@ChaoticKrisis Computer guy: "Make sure you plug the keyboard and monitor into the tower." Production: "Nah that looks messy. This Russian 386 clone needs to be wireless!"
@ChaoticKrisis
@ChaoticKrisis 10 месяцев назад
@@TechTimeTraveller it's the same with history or any other of the things they mentioned. "they didn't use that in this time period" "don't care" "why did you even hire me" "so we can say experts in the field worked on this"
@GerardMenvussa
@GerardMenvussa 10 месяцев назад
I'm sure ChatGPT could fix this plot in a couple seconds. But they just didn't bother...
@boelwerkr
@boelwerkr 11 месяцев назад
I'm always fascinated how computer "stuff" are handled the same way as magic "stuff". It's all "Magic with Monitors"
@renakunisaki
@renakunisaki 11 месяцев назад
Computers are magic.
@Kauffy901
@Kauffy901 11 месяцев назад
Just like radiation used to be!
@fhunter1test
@fhunter1test 11 месяцев назад
@@renakunisaki Any technology is magic, when sufficiently advanced
@sinenomine6074
@sinenomine6074 11 месяцев назад
It is the same way people who are not smart write smart characters. They don't understand how smart people think, so they write them as Wikipedia-quoting, percentage-divining wizards. Likewise, computers are a magic box that makes funny things happen, a dimension is a place you can visit, and time travel makes a sci-fi plot clever and good! 🙄
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 11 месяцев назад
In this case, he's really reaching on some of this. The Y2K thing makes complete sense. It's established that there's a time limit to how long the shelter can remain closed off with the broken scrubbers. It's completely reasonable that there be a timer to automatically open the doors after a period of time in case of malfunction of the system. If the system does detect an invalid date, it should crash out of the timer and reset. It's not contrived, when engineers design things they tend to want to decide how the system will fail whenever possible and to have it fail in the way that is the least harmful. In this case, there's probably some sort of override to prevent the doors from reopening in case of a system crash, and failing to override the automatic opening would result in the doors opening. Other designs are definitely possible, but it seems rather poor design to have it default to closed and locked.
@mymomsaysimcool9650
@mymomsaysimcool9650 11 месяцев назад
I always love 80’s and 90’s sitcoms that required the actors playing a console game, no matter what it was, the sound affects were clearly Atari PacMan.
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 11 месяцев назад
don't forget the extreme crazy movements of the Joysticks, gamepads, etc.. and oftentimes they did not match the console/computer they were supposed to be playing.
@ccricers
@ccricers 10 месяцев назад
Are those sounds just easy to get the rights to use or something? Since they seem to go on everything.
@NopeNaw
@NopeNaw 10 месяцев назад
@@ccricers I don't know for certain, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'd wager the reason has to do with the fact that old video game sounds are essentially math expressed in a waveform. You can't copyright formulas or algorithms, so it's pretty hard to make a claim for a sound that's basically just a math formula.
@boulderbash19700209
@boulderbash19700209 10 месяцев назад
They own the license to use just that one sound effect.
@lopezjose568
@lopezjose568 10 месяцев назад
@@CommodoreFan64 or straight up using the wrong controllers 🤣
@thetaleteller4692
@thetaleteller4692 11 месяцев назад
If you do a war movie, you get a military adviser, if you do a medieval movie you get an historian (hopefully), hospital movie - a doctor, but if you do some tech or scifi movie just slam random parts together, forget the cables and tell nonsense all the way.
@hueypautonoman
@hueypautonoman 10 месяцев назад
I don't think any discipline is immune to this. I've seen movies get foreign language dialog completely wrong, and I'm sure if you ask a doctor, they'll tell you they often mess up medical stuff too. I mean, how often have we seen someone get shot and the supposedly most-competent medical expert on hand decides to dig into the person's body to "get the bullet out" instead of stopping the bleeding. Also, as a Muslim, I've yet to ever see a show or movie get Islamic prayer right. Even immediately after 9/11 when there were tons of movies and "expert consultants" everywhere, somehow, the prayer was always just a random montage of chanting and bowing. Don't even get me started on education. Why does every school movie have some kid who either has to get a scholarship to get into college or just can't go at all? Do grants and loans not exist in hollywood? Sorry, that was a bit of a rant.
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 10 месяцев назад
Right. Because no one knows shit about computers. (a few decades ago, that might've been true. today, almost everybody knows how a computer works)
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 10 месяцев назад
A lot of shows / movies would have an advisor simply so they can say 'We had an advisor on set'.
@bellissimo4520
@bellissimo4520 10 месяцев назад
And this in an age, where everybody has a PC or laptop at home and at least a basic understanding of computers. This is getting more and more untenable and unacceptable.
@zerix01
@zerix01 10 месяцев назад
​@@bellissimo4520 I don't know. The people in my life have remained just as computer illiterate as they were 20 years ago. Yet they still use modern tech. They just don't know shit about how much of it works.
@Dilligff
@Dilligff 10 месяцев назад
Not really a tech person myself, but something that always drove me nuts was that every movie and tv show where a 'hidden bug' had been placed they all have a flashing LED attached. Or that every bomb has a large visible countdown display attached and a definitive color scheme for its wiring.
@DavidLee-vi8ds
@DavidLee-vi8ds 10 месяцев назад
I love the way terrorists follow regulations in bombmaking. They must take real pride in their work. So rare these days.
@jbird4478
@jbird4478 10 месяцев назад
I love how those bomb countdowns are always completely out of sync with the movie as well. You can have a confession of love, a trip down memory lane, a personal epiphany, and a race against traffic, and still be in time for the 1 min countdown on the bomb.
@scloftin8861
@scloftin8861 10 месяцев назад
Not sure which show it was, but I do recall a bomb that was all black and red wiring ... probably to keep the bomb builder from getting confused about things, but threw the guys trying to direct the MC on how to disarm completely off ..
@monkeymode5652
@monkeymode5652 10 месяцев назад
I have set my CLI's on all of my devices to be a black background with a green font. I may not know the first thing about hacking, but I sure as hell want to look cool when trouble shooting network issues.
@dalefirmin5118
@dalefirmin5118 10 месяцев назад
Just cut the red wire. 😆
@Radonatos
@Radonatos 10 месяцев назад
There seem to be opposite design strategies among Hollywood movieworld door manufacturers: Doors that are meant to be freely opened (corridors, escape routes, public areas) can be closed and securely locked by destroying the electronic lock next to it (given it separates the hero from their persuers at any given moment), while prison doors, treasure vaults, security stations etc. can easily be unlocked and opened by the same procedure.
@Choralone422
@Choralone422 11 месяцев назад
TV shows with "tech" plots like this are a big reason why I start and then quit watching then. For example I tried watching the CBS show Scorpion almost a decade ago. There was so much tech related stuff that was ridiculously wrong I couldn't get through more than a handful of episodes before I gave up. I realize for the average person they don't know or don't care, but for someone who's been in the IT world for decades it's almost insulting at times.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I generally let stuff pass.. but this one was really out there. I keep thinking ok.. maybe it's a parody and meant to be ridiculous, but there are many other points in the show where they seem to take things seriously.
@Tomasitoke
@Tomasitoke 11 месяцев назад
I can recommend Mr. Robot, 100% tech accurate and great TV series.
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 11 месяцев назад
the point where it gets bad is when it starts being used as a fantasy thing to advance plot lazily in the same way that a wizard teleports in and does something and teleports out. when it's bad enough it's same as the writer popping up on screen and saying "well I got bored with this plot thread so lets move on". I don't mind if it's unrealistical as long as it's got some in-story rules set for it. a fake os - okay that's whatever, but say fake superzoom on the os that works when the writer wants but isn't known of at other times etc just ruins it. like you know batmans belt, if it wasn't used for humor it would suck when he could use some previously introduced device being on the belt but doesn't use it.
@trevorhaddox6884
@trevorhaddox6884 11 месяцев назад
We can't forget the shananigans in Jurassic Park. Ah yes, turning off the power somehow trips the generator breakors, yet somehow a single PC has power to display "system ready" but not enough to actually boot? What? And of course Timmy getting shocked by an electric fence when not touching ground. Not knowing how computers work is bad, but it's worse when it goes into not knowing how electricity works, acting like it's some sort of mystical Minecraft redstone. An episode of the newer Quantum Leap did this too where they had to save people from a car near a precariously dangling power line from getting electrocuted...while inside the car. They could have just made it so there was a gas leak and fire hazard but no...getting zapped IN A CAR!
@ncot_tech
@ncot_tech 11 месяцев назад
@@Tomasitoke Yeah I sat through the first five or so episodes of Mr Robot when it came out thinking "this will be crap, let's see how crap it is.." and then realised I'd watched five episodes. Also in one scene they make fun of both themselves and the entire genre by making fun of the movie Hackers. Another decent one is Halt and Catch Fire.
@TheAnon03
@TheAnon03 11 месяцев назад
Knowing what PSU that is will really help them identify the CPU I'm sure.
@born2hula325
@born2hula325 11 месяцев назад
Using the pointless app that finds you stuff in a store if you already have the barcode... Which is either on the product or at the place in the store it should be.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab 10 месяцев назад
Coz, reasons...
@ccricers
@ccricers 10 месяцев назад
I saw a real life example of this tomfoolery with a Kickstarter game console that ended being vapor ware. A guy demonstrating with a table full of random electronics boards and talked about the PSU for a good 2 minutes. "Power goes in, video goes out..."
@sopcannon
@sopcannon 10 месяцев назад
@@born2hula325 because no one ever alters the content of their pc s either !
@Alfred-Neuman
@Alfred-Neuman 10 месяцев назад
That's a 12mhz 386 with USB ports? It's probably an early prototype stolen by the KGB. And the russian oligarchs probably used the Mackintosh floppy drive for dumping roms on the black market... See, everything make perfect sense if your think about it! lol
@williamharris8367
@williamharris8367 11 месяцев назад
As someone with a solid background in history, I feel the same way about historical dramas. I can hardy watch them as I just cannot overlook the mistakes and errors.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
What drives me nuts is when they just make stuff up in a historical piece (ie. Bohemian Rhapsody).. now it's not history anymore.
@JohnGMeadows
@JohnGMeadows 11 месяцев назад
It's scary that there are so many people whose knowledge of "history" only comes from the movies. (History grad here.)
@trevorhaddox6884
@trevorhaddox6884 11 месяцев назад
I can no longer watch stuff like Titanic, absolutely makes me cringe.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 11 месяцев назад
Some people are better at suspending their disbelief than others are. It's why it's so important to get as much of this stuff right as possible, you can lose the more fervent supporters over stupid BS like the wrong kind of floppy drive.
@user-bs1lr8nx1h
@user-bs1lr8nx1h 10 месяцев назад
i guess those computer scenes were made by someone fresh from school and really didnt know a thing and were assuming - could be a woman by the way then she could be in her 40s -anyway huge lack of knowledge
@computer_toucher
@computer_toucher 11 месяцев назад
My brain started bleeding when she talked about speeding up the cycles
@malcolmgibson6288
@malcolmgibson6288 11 месяцев назад
It's easy to speed up the cycles, you just peddle faster.
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 11 месяцев назад
But in a good way,
@Zeem4
@Zeem4 11 месяцев назад
@@malcolmgibson6288 Peddle? As in, selling stuff?
@316diag
@316diag 11 месяцев назад
1 Hertz = 1 cycle per second
@keithbrown7685
@keithbrown7685 11 месяцев назад
@@316diag One hurts, to know that.
@maxanderson9187
@maxanderson9187 11 месяцев назад
Every safe room or vault I know of has a manual internal mechanism to release or activate the door. They also have the ability to vent outside air by default. Futher, if we're talking a soviet-era "computer" it's far more likely to be an Apple II, Sinclair or MSX clone. p.s. don't grill me on the 80's era hardware :P There are a plethora of options that would have been more visually interesting and probably cheaper.
@maxanderson9187
@maxanderson9187 11 месяцев назад
Oh, and if we're talking 1994 it would have been a terminal/mainframe setup ported over from a soviet logistics or central command hub. Think CRAY without as much RAM.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
Yeah. Kind of a weird design to leave yourself at the mercy of 1980s Soviet clone technology. Nobody would build a bunker with no manual mechanism to allow escape. I was thinking they could have had a Russian 8088 clone.. I believe those existed and probably wouldn't have had an RTC. But then overclocking would have been even more problematic...
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 11 месяцев назад
a Sinclair Spectrum clone like the Pentagon would have been perfect, but considering it's Netflix, and a large chunk of the audience is American, most would have no idea what a Sinclair Spectrum is, and they would be going where is the rest of the computer?!?!
@penfold7800
@penfold7800 11 месяцев назад
Maybe an Amiga then, that blew up with the controller, so they had to mcguyver a setup from a scrap box of parts to make an Acorn Electron clone and various daisychained peripherals to get the right network signal to trigger an emergency services external opening mechanism. Blah....
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 11 месяцев назад
My first computer was a DIY Leningrad 48k in the early 90s. Thing is it didn't start happening before late 80s. I think Apple II clones or custom Z80 machines could hit closer, i forget. We had Soviet computers in school, i'll try to remember what they were.
@JacobButtnugget
@JacobButtnugget 11 месяцев назад
They also said that the Aluminum in the can is a good conductor, when that style of pull top can is made out of steel.. They even messed up the cans!!!
@MountainDewComacho494
@MountainDewComacho494 10 месяцев назад
In reality, the Soviet Era bunker would have been controlled by a relay panel, not a stupid DOS computer.
@cynodont7391
@cynodont7391 11 месяцев назад
A plausible plot could have been that the computer works fine, displays a menu that can open the door but has no keyboard. That would justify browsing through the old computer junk. They would use the junk pieces to interface the PS2 port to their mobile phone. Some team members could argue about the serial protocol (speed, parity bits, ...) and what values must be sent to navigate in the menus.
@cynodont7391
@cynodont7391 11 месяцев назад
Or even better: No keyboard but they find an old analog microphone. They use a few electronic components to interface it to the keyboard PS2 port. A mobile phone is used to generate some modem-like sound (or if you are old enough, the sound of the cassette tapes we used during the 70s and 80s to store data on 8-bit computers). That annoys everyone in the bunker but without any visible effect on the computer screen. Then Schwarzenegger sees a mice or a cockroach and produces a very shrill cry that makes a single character appear on screen. He is then asked to produce the sound again which he cannot do or refuse to do. They eventually manage to record a valid cry sample using their phone. Finally, they unlock the door by replaying the sample with slight variations to send different characters. That last bit is probably not realistic but could be quite funny.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
Agreed. They could have just gotten rid of the nuclear bunker idea for that matter and made it a 'panic room', with modern equipment (presumably something useful to an oligarch), and that might have given them more room for fudging tech. I guess they gambled that old tech mistakes wouldn't get noticed.. which would normally be true.
@deuswulf6193
@deuswulf6193 10 месяцев назад
I know some of the people who do this kind of work for a living. Trust me, they are just as frustrated as you are. The problem is usually the client, they have some idea in their head what they feel it should look like and even though none of it makes any sense, the vfx artist are forced to do it that way anyway. A lot of what you see is often added in post production. Furthermore, those props which might not make sense are just grabbed from a prop warehouse where the options are limited. If you have ever been in one, it looks like a giant thrift store. Attentive viewers might spot the same props in multiple shows and movies. The set designers are usually dumb as rocks too, they just place things around till the client is happy.
@dreamyrhodes
@dreamyrhodes 11 месяцев назад
I mean they could have examined the door panel, found that the micro controller is fried, then find the old Russian PC clone. It has a parallel port. Some smart guy then could have had the idea to use the parallel port to override the pins of the fried micro controller in the door panel to find out the super secret bit combination that opens the door. But that probably would have made the plot too short.
@vsmash2
@vsmash2 11 месяцев назад
if they stay in fantasy land a bit longer, it could be contrived that the door lock is much younger than the computer and demands an 8-digit key which the old clone has to guess. Napkin math says that should take about an hour give or take.
@theelmonk
@theelmonk 10 месяцев назад
Or just shorted the lock power supply to the lock solenoid. No need for all that electronic crap. But then the show would only last 5 minutes .. though that might be for the best.
@opfax163
@opfax163 10 месяцев назад
or by simply bypassing all of that by bridging the main cables from the door itself
@krashd
@krashd 10 месяцев назад
I would have bypassed the door altogether and just broken the window and climbed out there.
@reaganharder1480
@reaganharder1480 10 месяцев назад
@@theelmonk Depending on how the power cables are housed, gaining access to them could be more difficult and could add some runtime to the whole ordeal.
@michaelturner2806
@michaelturner2806 11 месяцев назад
Of all things, the fan *wires* were overheating? I guess they just thought of the can lid solution and worked their way backwards. A fan with dried up bearings that was stuttering or had seized up would be more accurate. But there was a relatively huge fan in the ducting on the wall behind the computer, could've just ripped that off and pointed it at the exposed side.
@SJ-co6nk
@SJ-co6nk 11 месяцев назад
Plus, a 12Mhz 386 isn't going to have a heatsink, let alone a fan.
@dashcamandy2242
@dashcamandy2242 11 месяцев назад
@@SJ-co6nk I didn't start seeing heatsinks in PCs until Pentium 1 days. LOL
@fhunter1test
@fhunter1test 11 месяцев назад
@@dashcamandy2242 I have seen first on i486dx66 or so.
@EvenTheDogAgrees
@EvenTheDogAgrees 10 месяцев назад
Lol, so there's fanned ducting, and yet they're going to die of asphyxiation in 2 hours? So there is ventilation, but they will die because there's no ventilation? How does that work?
@silkwesir1444
@silkwesir1444 10 месяцев назад
@@EvenTheDogAgrees Maybe it only circulates the same air.
@steveishere7909
@steveishere7909 10 месяцев назад
Great Breakdown. But, the single most glaring issue with this "1989 PC" that i noticed was the USB ports on the I/O panel. 😂
@RyanEglitis
@RyanEglitis 10 месяцев назад
The thing that stood out to me immediately (besides the obvious plot devices) was the time incongruity of having a system from "1989," but a case that looks like it's from the late 90s. Then they get to the insides and you can tell it's a PCI motherboard, which ALSO came out much later than 1989. Surprised you didn't mention either.
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 11 месяцев назад
To be fair, back in the pre-2010s, I did indeed have *several* tote boxes of replacement PC parts laying around... for _decades_ I lugged this crap around, even long after even the bus design of whichever component had changed (although most PCs still retained legacy slots). Of course, the simplest solution for their date quandary would be to simply enter BIOS after power down and turning it back on again, and changing the date there...
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 11 месяцев назад
Still got some in the attic. I might have the only Iomega zip drive without the click of death lol
@galfisk
@galfisk 10 месяцев назад
I did this too. The parts spent a decade being worthless, but now they're vintage, and well-known products such as 3com, 3Dfx and Sound Blaster cards can go for several tens of euros each.
@ironfist7789
@ironfist7789 10 месяцев назад
They should use a bios passwd if they are really trying, duno if battery removal resets it or not, I've never really used that feature. Thinking you could probably get ISA or whatever adapters for pcie, not sure
@TheMsLourdes
@TheMsLourdes 10 месяцев назад
or pull the cmos battery and power, wait a few minutes, replace and reboot...
@oscarcacnio8418
@oscarcacnio8418 10 месяцев назад
If they want to be really improbable: Somehow, they have concocted a way to solder and desolder something in the bunker. Somehow, they have also found a board with a matching real-time clock chip. Swap those two over using some IT expert's soldering skills, then proceed to change the date and time as usual.
@alexeyi76
@alexeyi76 10 месяцев назад
1. There was no 386 clone of the Soviet era, AFAIK. The last Intel CPU cloned in the USSR was 80286, but it wasn't mass-produced due to the low yield. 2. It is sometimes possible to power a 5V CPU from a 12V rail. There was an accelerator card for the Soviet Agat-9 computer. It used a 65C02 clone, overclocked from 2 to 5 MHz and powered from a 12V rail. Chip could stand it because it was military grade. But it took a very tricky circuitry to connect the CPU to the rest of the computer.
@sevret313
@sevret313 11 месяцев назад
I don't think I've seen any worse tech scene than this. At least double typing hacking war has some comedy to it but I can't even construct a imaginary world where any of what they're doing here would work or be necessary. And an alternative route for this scene to run without changing too much (Based on your description of the scene) is to have the computer do some kind of 2 hour long operation to open the door, and they need to keep the PC alive till then.
@abzzeus
@abzzeus 11 месяцев назад
come on Limitless & "we got his hard drives" as they pull a PSU out?
@RyanEglitis
@RyanEglitis 10 месяцев назад
You haven't seen the Swordfish virus assembly or the Hackers hacker fight?
@fred_derf
@fred_derf 10 месяцев назад
You didn't watch _Independence Day_ then... where they [Spoiler Alert] wrote a virus for the computer system in the alien's ships then "uploaded" it (I don't recall how) -- all without ever even seeing the alien's computer system, let alone understanding how it worked.
@Wombletronix
@Wombletronix 11 месяцев назад
So, in summary: Arnie and his pals free themselves from a bunker themed escape room - using some very specific, sketchy, knowledge of how computers are supposed to work. I think at least one of them has played this before and isn't letting on.
@dashcamandy2242
@dashcamandy2242 11 месяцев назад
3:45 - I have this exact case on a PC I built. I can personally verify it was produced sometime between 1998 and 2000. It still houses a single-core 2.4 GHz AMD Celeron and its itty-bitty heatsink/fan combo. The curved blank plates are original, the flat ones are not from this case. (I'm oddly curious about the "small-time computer store" sticker beneath the power/HDD LEDs and wondering if, somehow, they're still in business today.) I've seen the pushbutton-eject used for both diskettes (man, if feels _good_ to use the word "diskette" again!) on a 5.25"/3.5" combo drive that fit in a single 5.25" bay, that was only once on a cheap pre-built. 4:21 - Where is the blue shadowing coming from, on this amber monochrome monitor? And since they're clearly using some fakery here, why didn't they adjust the amber text to be... gee, I dunno... AMBER?! 4:35 - I will give them credit, the translation isn't horrendous (according to Google Translate back to English, from a photo of my monitor during a freeze-frame): Door Climate Ventilation Power What do you choose? (door) Error hydraulics not "otvichant" What do you choose? (run diagnostics) Alert not responding Hydraulics, CO2 scrubbers, air conditioning I actually expected gibberish. I appreciate that someone actually took the time and effort in that small detail, but now that I see that, it makes the other errors much more egregious in comparison! 4:56 - HOLD UP. The door closed because a flare gun was shot at the door's FULLY OPEN control box. The Big Red Button in the control box won't respond. The control box is controlled by the computer that isn't even powered on when they enter the room. 3:27 the young lady pushes the RESET button on the panel - the power button is the larger one above it. The green power LED is not illuminated before she presses Reset, nor after she pushes Reset. And yet somehow crashing the computer - that again, WASN'T ON when she approached it, and we'll pretend that she actually turned it on - is going to repair the hydraulic system error and/or undo the damage to the control box from a flare. DO WRITERS EVEN READ WHAT THEY WROTE? What the actual frak! 5:52 - 🤣OMG... I can't... **wheeze** The external Apple floppy drive's cable sneaks across the table, and terminates underneath the monitor stand. Tower has only the line cable attached - not even the monitor! This "386" has onboard USB ports next to its PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse ports. 😆 Modem and Ethernet ports vacant, I don't see a WiFi card/dongle so this PC is communicating through hopes and wishes I guess. 6:10 - Tell me you know absolutely nothing about computers, without telling me you know absolutely nothing about computers. 6:38 - Yes, scanning the barcode off a power supply is 100% going to tell you the motherboard manufacturer, CPU, GPU, RAM, OS, and give you a detailed listing off attached storage devices. 🤦‍♂ There's so much more, but my brain is DONE. LOL
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 10 месяцев назад
(Celeron wasn't made by AMD. You'd be a good consultant for Hollywood. :-)) Scanning the service tag of a Dell (or any major manufacturer) PC will, indeed, get you how the system was shipped by Dell. I'm not saying the same has ever been true of Soviet PC's.
@stepmi
@stepmi 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, about translation, the word "power" they use is not for electrical power, but for political power/authority. I guess you can control government from that bunker computer. Also, half of the words there are just transliterated. Btw, at 13:13, third line (just above bold warning) says that it has **power-independent** clock.
@alexus267
@alexus267 10 месяцев назад
Right, 3.5" bays in the center look sooo 1999+ to me, as all 386 and 486 towers I've seen had 3.5" floppy bays on a side (left). The authentic PS/2 monitor just adds to the confusion. Man do I feel old if this is supposed to look good enough for the intended audience.
@zjmb2068
@zjmb2068 10 месяцев назад
I haven't tried proofreading everything but mostly they had translated well. One exception is date. In English you say date for a day and date for when lovers meet. They choose Russian word for the second meaning. So it says kind of romantic meeting instead calendar date.
@un2mensch
@un2mensch 11 месяцев назад
It's been a few decades since I last coded my own operating system-level hardware routines on a 386 but I'm pretty sure my memory's solid on this, so here goes, just for fun: The date/time clock on a running system has *never* had anything to do with CPU speed on any machine I've ever heard of. Also, the physical real-time clock is actually not read very often (even on modern systems), mainly because it's SLOW. You can see the current RTC date/time in the BIOS config, and the OS grabs this at boot time (either from the BIOS or the RTC directly). Then, apart from specific triggers to re-read / update the RTC (eg for NTP sync) the OS simply counts ticks from one of the system timers to update the date/time in memory. For an old 386, this system timer would be IRQ0 (connected to the 8254 Programmable Interrupt Timer), which ticks at a default rate of (1193180/65536) =~ 18.2065 Hz, and as long as you're in Real Mode, it's extremely easy to change the IRQ0 tick rate with a few writes to ports 0x43 / 0x40. So a couple lines of asm in DEBUG.COM, or you could even do it in BASIC with the "OUT" command. You can therefore speed up the timer (maybe 1000-fold before the IRQ overhead starts to render the system unresponsive) with the result that the OS/system clock advances much faster than "real time". This behaviour persists until you run something else that reprograms the 8254 timer -- typically games, demos, music players; most other software doesn't touch it. That's all a bit over-complicated though. For our TV show plot, all you need to do is inject a batch command, before the bunker control software is launched, to *set the OS/system date* to 1999-12-31 or whatever, which in the 386 era was basically *always* possible to do. Then just reboot!
@Zeem4
@Zeem4 11 месяцев назад
There are several computers with time-of-day clocks that run fast if you overclock the CPU - the Commodore 64 and the Amstrad PCW spring to mind. In the 8-bit era, time-of-day clocks were often run by a combination of software and generic I/O hardware (e.g interrupt timers), that all ran off a single system bus, meaning that overclocking the CPU made everything run too fast.
@snakefriesia6808
@snakefriesia6808 10 месяцев назад
@@Zeem4 you are correct, but this show is about a PC getting overclocked, not a Cbm64 or AM464
@Zeem4
@Zeem4 10 месяцев назад
@@snakefriesia6808 You are also correct, but that's totally irrelevant to the specific point I was addressing.
@AzatothAUS
@AzatothAUS 10 месяцев назад
As far as I recall, time/date is one of the top polling's done by the cpu so is a function of cpu speed. The difference between standard and turbo is already accounted for, but if you changed the bus speed instead of the cpu multiplier, then you would definately change the polling speed and change time calculations. At least to the point it crashes or catches fire.
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 10 месяцев назад
The system timer tick is based on CPU speed
@mattpierce5009
@mattpierce5009 11 месяцев назад
A 12mhz 386 with PCI slots sounds totally legit, guess I'll be checking Russian ebay listings later. In my experience, one would've been lucky to get a 386 with a Dallas RTC, most of the boards I worked with had explodey barrel batteries.
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 10 месяцев назад
... or no RTC at all. DOS doesn't even look for an RTC.
@the_kombinator
@the_kombinator 10 месяцев назад
Not to mention, 12 Mhz 386s are exceedingly rare. I have never seen in the wild while being a computer tech in the 90s. Actually, I've never seen one period - they were either engineering samples or one of the very first ones that came out in 1985.
@cubbucca
@cubbucca 11 месяцев назад
that tin can would of been better used to fix the blown fuses on the doors control panel
@HamedEmine
@HamedEmine 10 месяцев назад
This isn't comedy... This is torture... Thank you so much for this video!
@amateurprogrammer25
@amateurprogrammer25 11 месяцев назад
I dunno, maybe the Russian clone RTC had an external crystal and they managed to pump 40MHz into its 32kHz clock input. An RTC is just a pulse counter, after all, and even vintage ones of those are generally pretty forgiving when it comes to clock rate. The RTC crystal running over 1000 times faster than normal would certainly explain how the date advanced as fast as it did. Worst case scenario, the RTC can't keep up and freaks out which is what they want anyway. I dunno, maybe Y2K rollover would cause the system to notice time was going backwards and enter failsafe mode, opening all the doors. I still got nothing for how it triggered that to happen when the door controller was fried. Maybe it cut the power that was holding the door closed? I still got nothing for the soup can lid though. That's just idiotic.
@yellingintothewind
@yellingintothewind 11 месяцев назад
Napkin math says 40mHz fed into a 32kHz clock would still take 3 days to advance the 11 years. Need to hit the 800mHz range to come close.
@peterwhitey4992
@peterwhitey4992 11 месяцев назад
That would not explain it going as fast as it did.
@bornach
@bornach 11 месяцев назад
They put so much power in that the clock crystal started emitting light which is very high frequency electromagnetic radiation that when divided down sped up the CPU! 😂
@henryokeeffe5835
@henryokeeffe5835 11 месяцев назад
I am so glad I never tried watching this series. I would never have got to this point. I quite enjoyed my brain melting out of my ears.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
I'm actually enjoying it - there are some elements that are way out there but they do bill it as comedy. But I think it would enhance the comedy to make the background stuff as realistic as reasonable.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
@AstrosElectronicsLab 10 месяцев назад
I was hoping to search this on Netflix AU and find it not there... unfortunately, it's there.
@turrican4d599
@turrican4d599 10 месяцев назад
But you missed out on Monica Barbaro!
@RyanEglitis
@RyanEglitis 10 месяцев назад
I can also vouch for it as a tech person - it's dumb, but a fun watch. It also doesn't just fall into tropes every time.
@Wobblybob2004
@Wobblybob2004 11 месяцев назад
I love that NCIS clip, two people one keyboard, what were they typing? where were they typing? how did the computer know who was typing what?
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
I'm surprised he didn't just grab a fire axe and hack back with that.
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 11 месяцев назад
My dad was a gun nut and every time we watched a western or war movie he was always saying stuff like “that model Luger didn’t exist until 4 years later!” etc. I’m a techie but the dumb computer stuff in movies doesn’t bother me as much.
@RudysRetroIntel
@RudysRetroIntel 11 месяцев назад
Always hate shows and movies that never get the computing things right. Thanks for sharing
@projectartichoke
@projectartichoke 11 месяцев назад
Also, barcode scanners don't scan up and down. They just scan left to right. And on a phone, there is no red laser, it just uses the camera. I think they got everything wrong that they could get wrong.
@penfold7800
@penfold7800 11 месяцев назад
Some phones did actually have infrared senders and sensors for early NFC, and some early barcode readers used infrared, but the signal wouldnt have been visible so youre right on that detail.
@peterwhitey4992
@peterwhitey4992 11 месяцев назад
It didn't have any red laser. That was just animation on the app screen, which a barcode scanner app could well have.
@menotyou8369
@menotyou8369 11 месяцев назад
They could have had the actors breath chlorine instead of exogen.
@ghost307
@ghost307 11 месяцев назад
Using 'red beams' for scanning is a holdover from using colored smoke to indicate that gas was being pumped into the room with the hero in it because a colorless gas isn't dramatic enough.
@Psy500
@Psy500 11 месяцев назад
Off the top of my them getting trapped would make more sense if once they turned on the computer it closed the door that they turned on just out of curiosity. Have the computer run an automated script for a time lock, then have them try to figure out how to get the computer to think the time has elapsed and it should unlock the door without bothering with overclocking.
@TheGodOfAllThatWas
@TheGodOfAllThatWas 11 месяцев назад
I actually really like the Text adventure idea you kind of skirted around at the end there.... I'd give the writers all the room they need to build conflict, could be a nice callback to older games, and not be completely ridiculous. They could spend the whole episode arguing about Russian words for the word "date," after they're all done yelling at each other someone sits down types something in, gets it working and is the hero..... Final scene "Hey what'd you type in?" "I realized one thing we didn't try...... 'date'" everyone laughs. The vibes of "That's so easy/stupid why did it work that way ARG?" from the old txt adventures is so strong there.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 10 месяцев назад
Also the game could have been a reference to a movie from the cold war Wargames. Where the game is the game that the portage thought he was playing.
@gyohngpersonal
@gyohngpersonal 9 месяцев назад
Someone pointed to me that the actual word for 'date' in the date change dialogue used is not the calendar date but in the meaning if you date somebody.
@psxemulator
@psxemulator 11 месяцев назад
To be fair, last time I was in Russia, just before the invasion of Ukraine, the internet on the Saint Petersburg metro (2nd deepest metro system in the world) was better than I get standing on my street in the UK. I can believe that the internet in a Russian bunker would be pretty decent :)
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 11 месяцев назад
It's always blown my mind how we here in the US, and y'all over in the UK basically helped invent the internet as we know it today, yet in many parts of our country we have worse internet than the middle of nowhere Russia at 10 to 100 times the cost!!
@filanfyretracker
@filanfyretracker 11 месяцев назад
@@CommodoreFan64 Sadly, Especially here in the USA the companies that provide connectivity prefer satisfying their shareholders over doing their job. So if good service to an area is not immediately profitable it never gets good connectivity.
@CommodoreFan64
@CommodoreFan64 11 месяцев назад
​@@filanfyretracker More, or less when it comes to hardline connections, which why I'm glad fixed 5G Wireless internet like T-Mobile, and Verizon are around for budget options with good speeds, and to fill in gaps the other guys won't touch for these reasons. I'm in an area that could get a gigabit cable connection(Breezeline), but they want a kidney for it without equipment rental, so I went with T-Mo fixed 5G, and I'm getting on average 400Mbps - 600Mbps+ down/50Mbps - 150Mbps+ up with latency between 16ms to 60ms for 50 bones a month.
@drsnova7313
@drsnova7313 10 месяцев назад
As a fellow Russia traveller, it was always amazing (and annoying) to me how Russia seems to have better internet and better/easier online banking than my first-world-allegedly-high-tech home country. Granted, I have mostly stayed in a few major cities....but then again, in MY major city, my phone loses connection when I go to my kitchen balcony.
@andreyturkin
@andreyturkin 10 месяцев назад
To be fair, they've done a lot of work to make it happen, with a lot of infrastructure to keep cellular working there (shared by the carriers). If you think about this, the bunker owner probably envisioned that it might be a good idea to spend some money to ensure that mobile connection works in the bunker. Better yet, it should work even when outside forces try to jam the signal. His life might depend on it one day. Going back to reality, there's a obvious explanation to why cellular connection in Russia works well. It's the competition; free market in the action.
@boelwerkr
@boelwerkr 11 месяцев назад
Without joking. I wrote data in the RAM of a real time clock IC with some wires and three batteries i taped together (yes I used dip switches, a socket some wires and a perfboard. But that was for my convenience). I had to change some values the BIOS used. I could have set the time and date the same way.
@FreerunMediaService
@FreerunMediaService 10 месяцев назад
There is another very important error in this one. As far as i know, a 386 didn't had any USB connections that can be seen at 05:51 and definitely no PCi slots seen briefly at 06:20.
@guaposneeze
@guaposneeze 11 месяцев назад
Software that would reference the RTC at startup and then use the CPU for timekeeping after that were not entirely unheard of. But I don't think DOS on a 386 stuff ever worked like that. When dynamic downclocking for power saving started to become common, some software that used the rdtsc instruction would get super confused when the clock rate changed, because that basically just counts the number of CPU cycles that have happened since startup. The first CPU's that supported rdtsc couldn't change their clock speed at runtime, so you could just multiply the clock time by the number of cycles to get elapsed time. And this was way more accurate than the RTC. The normal PC RTC was accurate to ~ 1/1000 sec, but the cycle counting approach was more than 1000x more precise. Does any of this make the TV story make sense? No, of course not. But, you know, fictional Soviet clones are definitely magic. And the writers get points by Hollywood standards for having any concept of a clock inside a computer.
@erikblaas5826
@erikblaas5826 10 месяцев назад
A computer running on a DOS, any MS-DOS or IBM-DOS cloned program, should have standard commands for setting date and time.... If just one of this "team" was smart enough, they could have the door popped in 1 minute.
@50shadesofbeige88
@50shadesofbeige88 11 месяцев назад
Arnie? In a streaming TV show? And look what we have here.
@caroline1724
@caroline1724 10 месяцев назад
3:03 They did all of that and the big red button that empties the hydraulics in an emergency was right there. Well, if it was an actual door that's the first thing you'd press on an emergency. Or, you know, just short a pair of wires.
@chasonlapointe
@chasonlapointe 11 месяцев назад
Fun video, you should do more of these!
@breakingaustin
@breakingaustin 10 месяцев назад
The best bit about this whole video was the point about the CPU time keeping was purely based on speed.. so literally every time you did something that caused load the time would absolutely start slowing.. in a bunker where timekeeping is more valuable than currency if the Earth was in a nuclear war 😂😂
@BluntsNBeatz
@BluntsNBeatz 10 месяцев назад
Requiring power to make the air breathable in something presumably built for a disaster scenario rather than having some basic ventilation sounds like a great idea.
@HMods1991
@HMods1991 11 дней назад
“I’m getting hacked!” Unplugs computer “no you’re not🤷🏻‍♂️”
@TinyHouseHomestead
@TinyHouseHomestead 11 месяцев назад
I can't watch anything nowadays without catching the flaws in them, ... there was a phone number you could call out in Hollywood that if you caught a flaw and called it in you would get like a hundred bucks! 😱😁👍👍🇺🇲
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
I blame Mythbusters. They wrecked TV for me. :)
@honestgoat
@honestgoat 10 месяцев назад
When you were debunking the PC and also showing nothing was plugged in, you missed that it had PS2, USB and an onboard NIC. You also missed the PCI slots and the 3.5" drive bays. Even though the 3.5" form factor for HDD's did exist in the 80's, they weren't common, especially in the consumer space. 3.5" wasn't standardised until the 90's. Also, even granting that this "APP" worked and for some reason had Soviet Era parts in its database, scanning the PSU barcode would just give you information about the PSU, not the the rest of the PC.
@Kisai_Yuki
@Kisai_Yuki 10 месяцев назад
It's kinda fascinating, that even 45 years later, we still have shows that don't even plug in the props. "You let the magic smoke out", it should be not working after a few seconds. If I had done the set dressing for this, I would have: - looked for a vintage 386 in a non-OEM case (which is probably what they did, but that's not a 386, that's an ATX chassis, so it's at least a Pentium II, and Pentium II's systems were not vulnerable to the Y2K bug.) - strip all the labels off the unit that will be in the shot (the fact that they even looked up the thing has to be a subtle joke (it literately says 1MB RAM 1.2MB floppy, so clearly a fabrication for television), no Russian pc's were sold in the west, and even if they did make it out, they'd be BK-0010's if they were Soviet Union era), the most likely scenario, is probably more accurate... it's a frankenbox western 386 running a Russian OS. Stickers on the keycaps is actually what is done to convert western keyboards to non-western ones (one company I did work for, had a few employees with Arabic sticker caps over the OEM dell keys, in 2020. I had to pry all of them off to reuse it.) - probably beat up the outside of the chassis a fair bit. The fact that it has a side panel tells me it's ATX as well. - fake the cable connections (eg connect USB and VGA extension cables to the back of the computer and... wait there isn't even a video card in this system...) - A Pentium II with a 5.25" floppy drive and a CD-ROM is not unheard of. I have one. But that was stuff I put together. Well past the point 5.25" drives were easily available. Like there is enough wrong in the set dressing, never mind anything else. It's also not unheard of to keep old hardware around for other purposes. Assuming this was even possibly real, as you pointed out, the door control would have been an independent system. If it was simply a control panel maybe I'd buy that. Now, if I wanted to "sell it" to techies, I'd actually have found a vintage PC/XT/AT, and a soviet-union era version of MS-DOS and just write some nonsense in BASIC. There is a clear reason why we never see the actors actually type with the screen visible. Because none of them know Cyrillic for real, so the "prop" is driven by production. So again, plug everything in for the shot, but actually drive the screen by production off-screen with the actors in front of it to sell it. Like nothing in this scene sells it to me, and would have only sold it if the Russians said "It potato, it not plugged in."
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 7 месяцев назад
Sorry for joining the party so late. Very nice video, I really had to lough a lot. And thank you for mentioning, glad that I was allowed to be part of it ;)
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 7 месяцев назад
Many thanks! And thank you for letting me feature your video! Hopefully this one sent some viewers your way!
@TheUglyGnome
@TheUglyGnome 11 месяцев назад
Hey! I learned something new! I didn't know there were 12MHz 386:s. I always thought they started @ 16MHz.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
To be honest I didn't know that either. By the time I became aware of 386s in the early 90s we were already at 33mhz.
@waytostoned
@waytostoned 11 месяцев назад
There were 386sx 12 mhz, used on old 286 motherboards, since they are pin compatible. Drop in replacement, from an engineering standpoint, just have to update the bios. Was way cheaper then trying to design a new board.
@alexandershendi7428
@alexandershendi7428 11 месяцев назад
Maaaaan, it's a Russian KOSMO2 386 clone. You didn't expect them Russkis to go all the way to 33 MHz, did you?
@TheUglyGnome
@TheUglyGnome 11 месяцев назад
@@waytostoned Are you sure. I've never heard of these and can't find any reference in the web. Are you probably talking about RapidCAD, which was 386-pin-compatible version of 486?
@waytostoned
@waytostoned 11 месяцев назад
@@TheUglyGnome check out cpu upgrades for IBM model 60 and 80 as a good example. I have the model 60 system cpu upgrade in my XT 286 ( 5162). It's a 386 slc2 50mhz upgrade w cache.
@donbunson5031
@donbunson5031 11 месяцев назад
This vid was recommended to me. I would say yes do more of these for your channel growth. This type of content pulls in more views especially when you nail the titles like you did. It was a great video and I want to see more but until you do I will check out some of your other stuff. A lot of the more obscure channels I watch took off by having one good series to get you hooked. Don't waste it. Do more for your channel and for my amusement. When you pointed out the pc had no monitor plugged a laughed hard. I hadn't noticed.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 11 месяцев назад
Many thanks for your kind words! I will try my best to find more 'crossover' topics!
@RandomKSandom
@RandomKSandom 10 месяцев назад
When my wife and I watched that episode, it fairly quickly became time for me to shut up. You've done a great job of covering it. To elaborate on your point about the built-in BIOS vs needing a DOS utility: The first machines that I saw with the ROM-based BIOS [setup utilities] were 286s, but not all of them (eg my first one used a [DOS] utility). I'm not aware of any 386s not having it in ROM. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that possibility existed.
@ecash00
@ecash00 10 месяцев назад
The MOST entertaining thing I learned. In the 1980's.. Was LEARNING, that a C64 was controlling the Lighting eyetem in an 8 story building in PTLD Down town. It monitored if someone was in the rooms, and turned them OFF, when there was no one there... Lasted for years.
@ecash00
@ecash00 10 месяцев назад
WTH, JUST CHANGE THE BIOS. ALSO its PASSED 2000 NOW, its 20 years older.
@thebiggerbyte5991
@thebiggerbyte5991 11 месяцев назад
Excellently nerdy stuff - I’m so glad I’m not alone in this! The Russian is about as janky as the computer setup, too :). Talking of Russian, I’m in the UK and have just watched the excellent serial drama Litvinenko. And one point, however we’re in a police room with lots of computers and there are very clear shots of the rear of an in-use computer under a desk that has nothing at all plugged into it🤦🏻‍♂️
@tomservo5007
@tomservo5007 11 месяцев назад
The last time Hollywood got me annoyed was a Facts of Life episode, the shop's computer was used to turn on the neighbor's microwave (or was it the dishwasher?)
@Jehty_
@Jehty_ 11 месяцев назад
IOT device 🤔
@cynodont7391
@cynodont7391 11 месяцев назад
The opposite is plausible however. A bad microwave can produce electromagnetic interference and cause havoc to nearby devices. Similarly, I used to have a hair drier that would cause noise on my computer screen and also make it drop the WiFi connection.
@suitandtieguy
@suitandtieguy 11 месяцев назад
hey what is the specific track you're using for music? btw thank you for the entertaining analysis!
@FinnbogiRagnarRagnarsson
@FinnbogiRagnarRagnarsson 10 месяцев назад
The only viable plot I can imagine, if we forget that the door should have a mechanical lever to open, (who would rely on electricity as only means to open a bunker door?) would be the control software didn't work (password perhaps or it just didn't run) and someone was battling with Kermit to attempt to send the correct code to open the door through a serial port. The motherboard seems to have 2 USB ports somehow, but also what seems to be 2 serial ports on a card. You can expect Kermit to be installed on such a computer, but you could also try to copy commands to the port and figure out the correct speed.
@WhoLover
@WhoLover 11 месяцев назад
I loved this!!!! Can't wait to see more in the series! Laughed a lot
@BrainboxccGames
@BrainboxccGames 11 месяцев назад
I actually had the same idea as that shopping aisle app years ago, but wrote it off because at least here in the uk every single shop has their stuff on different aisles and it would need to be crowdsourced to be accurate. It simply is not feasible. I wonder how many others had the same idea and wrote it off for the same reason.
@williamharris8367
@williamharris8367 11 месяцев назад
One Canadian department store provides such a service. Either using the app or an in-store terminal, I can find the specific location of a product and the quantity remaining in inventory. The system is not infallible, but it has saved me a lot of time searching aisles.
@karlbassett8485
@karlbassett8485 10 месяцев назад
In the UK Asda supermarkets have an app that lets you scan your groceries with your phone while you shop so to checkout you just scan the self service till and it tells it everything you have scanned. Can be quite useful. But it also has a search function. Type an item in and it will list all the items that match, and tell you which aisle it is in. So it can be done, just unlikely that Asda would share that information with an independent app.
@williamwatson4354
@williamwatson4354 10 месяцев назад
I remember back in the 80's when General Hospital was THE SHOW to watch in the afternoon. The characters had to guess at the password, which was two separate words. The computer accepted just the first word, and waited patiently for them to input the second word.
@MrSmokinDragon
@MrSmokinDragon 10 месяцев назад
Its pretty common for "subject experts" to cringe in pain when shows or movies includes the subject they are experts in. IT experts with anything PC/Tech, Lawyers with anything courtroom related, Soldiers/Marines/Airmen/Seamen and anything military-related, etc. The studios know that the normies won't know/realise there is problems, and some of the subject experts will hate-watch it, so they try and balance expected viewership loss with extra effort required (props, script-rewrites, etc.) and usually they decide the effort is not worth it.
@snooks5607
@snooks5607 11 месяцев назад
4:20 15:22 speaking of pedantry 🙂 cyrillic is the writing system/alphabet. while knowing the alphabet is requisite in reading a language it's not yet sufficient (being able to read the latin alphabet doesn't make one able to understand english any more than norwegian). there's ~50 different languages that are mainly written in cyrillic.
@IvanToshkov
@IvanToshkov 11 месяцев назад
Came here to say pretty much this. And to appreciate the irony :D
@drlazy1
@drlazy1 11 месяцев назад
That was painful to watch, and is why I much prefer the typical hollywood keyboard mashing. It's much easier to turn my brain off in that case. It gets filed under magic, and I don't need to know how it works. As long as the actors look competent doing it, it's all good. There's a Ukrainian channel that has a few soviet computers @ChernobylFamily .If anyone is curious about what they actually look like.
@bothieGMX
@bothieGMX 10 месяцев назад
Small correction on the RTC thing: Even those old 8086 16 bit computers did have that RTC but it was only used during startup to get the current system time. Once the time was taken from the RTC, the computer kept on updating the time during run time in memory without asking the RTC all the time again. For this, a timer controller was used to create a timer interrupt about 18.2 times per second which was used to advance the in memory clock. This was done by the CPU however the interrupt was not bound to CPU speed in any ways. The thing with games when CPUs got faster was a sub-seconds timing thing. With like 25 or 30 frames per second, the timer couldn't be used so other means of slowing down was needed and the easiest way at that time was some loop counting like from 1 to 100k. But that loop (and all the other calculations the game had to do too) got faster, as the CPUs got faster. But that was never used to actually advance clocks at all.
@Mintarcade
@Mintarcade 10 месяцев назад
It seems that whoever came up with the idea to design the Russian user interface didn't bother to double-check with anyone who can read Russian. For example, the date window showing the day, month, and year has a title translated as "dating," not in the date/time sense, but rather "Let's go for ice cream and move." Also, the phrase in the middle reads: "change the date," which is simply a prompt! Even the function keys are poorly translated, with F1 displaying only the word "top" in Cyrillic, which is not even a word in Russian. All the sentences in the UI and stickers are grammatically incorrect, especially for that era of history. At this point, Hollywood could easily hire any Russian teacher for a day or just buy them a nice dinner.
@KaeYoss
@KaeYoss 10 месяцев назад
Lazy and not doing their homework is the MO for most hollywood writers period. They're on strike right now because they're being replaced by AI. I'm actively rooting for the AI. It can't be worse than what these writers do.
@robertlock5501
@robertlock5501 10 месяцев назад
Huh...... it looks like they chose Greta Thunberg for the team's computer expert 😅🤣😂
@Bushuu
@Bushuu 11 месяцев назад
By looking at it, it has PS/2 Keyboard and mouse connecters along with at least 2 USB ports, it also has on the inside PCI slots, although obscured by the cards, I can not see any ISA slots, there probably hidden at the bottom of the case, with the size of the heatsink and fan I would recon that the processor is of around the Pentium MMX age, as for the app the socket is correct for up to at least 486, some of the later ones could run at 50 MHz with a FSB of 25MHz and a multiplier of 2, I'm sure there is more that I am missing but my memory is a little fuzzy on these things.
@cbmeeks
@cbmeeks 10 месяцев назад
Actually, I'm betting the owner of that vintage equipment knew they would totally mess things up with the tech. I'm betting he included that Apple drive on purpose for people like us. Genius.
@user2C47
@user2C47 10 месяцев назад
Are we not going to mention that the "control box" is a North American breaker panel with no wires, no cover, and a single red button stuffed into the corner? Of course, sticking a screwdriver into a contactor would be too easy.
@DePhoegonIsle
@DePhoegonIsle 10 месяцев назад
So what broke it for me was the structure was one or more of the following 1. It's 1989 & they have smart phones of the 2010+ era w/ full serviced & sped up internet & moderate AI Assisted search with database connections to all bar code scanners -- never mind that PCs, even clones will have multiple bar codes, 1 per part as only premium whole sellers of systems will have a barcode for a full build. 2. It's current day, and the bunker control system that is entirely controlling a very sensitive and supposedly secure location, is a 1980's era DOS PC clone, with modern parts. (as they are still made for various reasons) which would mean exceptional costs for .. literally no reason whatsoever. 3. The real answer of setting the time in the BIOS of the system and letting it tick over gets ignored in favor of techno babble. 4. that any modern day software, even for 1980 era HW would default to unlocked in the event of a date error in a secure application setting is moronic. 5. That even if the whole bit about OC the CPU would do anything, the fact remains the best OC those CPUs ever had was 200-300% OC'd and that was because of some pretty extensive mods, and at the cost of stability & compatability with many things. 6. That an indapendent control system was one something of the following - Connected directly to an computer in the open at all. - That said computer would be so insecure that accessing it while the bunker was in a locked down state wouldn't flip out security measures. - That There was literally no Software security at all on that system, and for a system that would have cost More money than most would want to think about, the lack of something like a fingerprint sensor for this application is flat out stupid. (not saying they aren't foolproof, but to say ... they are good enough and take preperation and time to break into) 7. That there isn't a fail safe built into the room in case the control box is out of order for w/e reason, in a SECURED BUNKER WITH ONLY ONE REAL WAY OUT. 8. That such a secured bunker that uses isolation like that wouldn't also be ... isolated from wireless signal transmissions. I can't enjoy some shows.. because it's just retarded as hell.
@MarkAJAgi
@MarkAJAgi 10 месяцев назад
Some old computers with a flat battery will boot up with the date set to 1/01/1970 without a prompt to enter the date. But I have never seen a computer with no option to edit the date in the BIOS if it has a BIOS or in the operating system when running. They could spend a long time trying to guess the login password. If it was Windows, then you can run cmd.exe from a save or load file box from Notepad and edit the password or create a new user. You can run Notepad by turning off the computer while booting up. Then there will be an error message with an option to show a text file the next time the computer runs.
@simonlathwell
@simonlathwell 17 дней назад
IT Technician here, 1 there are USB, no 386 had USB ports, 2 there are PCI slots, no 386 had PCI slots. There would be no need to over-clock the CPU to change the date, it could easily have been done in the BIOS by setting it to December 31st 1999 and changing the clock to a second before midnight for the year 2000. God, I hate it when Hollywood writers write things about computers in TV shows and films, yet don't know the darn basics.
@memyname1771
@memyname1771 10 месяцев назад
In all the 386 computers I used, all that was required to change the date was to type "date" at the DOS prompt, and then type the required date.
@JRichVid
@JRichVid 10 месяцев назад
3:38 they translated the word "power" into Russian as "власть" i.e. "authority" instead of "питание" ("power supply"). 8:00 they translated "date" into Russian as "свидание" ("appointment") instead of "дата", and the correct word is written in the line below. "March" (month) is written as "марш" ("route march") instead of "март"; "top" ("наверх") morphed into "топ" ("stomp"); "clear" (as verb "очистить") translated as adverb "чисто". Looks like they used an online translator instead of simply asking a Russian speaker. When they scan the barcode from the power supply module, under the barcode itself, the inscription says that this is a power supply and there is high voltage. So how did they get the information about processor from the barcode of the power supply!?
@idiotluggage
@idiotluggage 10 месяцев назад
This is an interesting video. I thought of some of the same things you did, but not as in depth. When they mentioned their problem my first thought was to go into the BIOS and change the date. When they got to the part where they removed the panel and there was a bar code, that was when I really shook my head.
@kennyfordham6208
@kennyfordham6208 11 месяцев назад
This reminds me about how the technicians, in the first 'Westworld' movie, died. In the movie, they ONLY door, to the computer room was locked, due to a computer malfunction. Buuut, the door had a WINDOW! I kept yelling, at the movie "Break the f***ing window! You bunch of idiots! 😣
@Locutus
@Locutus 10 месяцев назад
I used to work at Tesco in the UK, and we had an app on our phones where we could scan a barcode, and it would tell us exactly where the product lives. It would show us aisle, shelf, mod/rack, and position. It would make it sooo much easier to find products!
@darkphoenix68
@darkphoenix68 10 месяцев назад
Apart from not having a keyboard plugged into it, I noticed that the 1989-era PC had USB ports which weren't invented until 1996 -- and I don't think USB keyboards/mice came out until a couple of years after that, at least... But it's the Terminator, so time travel, I guess...
@smakfu1375
@smakfu1375 11 месяцев назад
LOL... Tandy 1000 keyboard, 80's era machine with an ATX board, Apple II floppy drive, nothing plugged in, overclocking the CPU to advance the date, "MOAR POWER" as your clock frequency generator, CPU fan wire smoke, aluminum lid as a replacement?! I don't know exactly what was going on with the writers and production team, but the movie "Hackers" is hard computer science compared to this show's depiction of computers.
@luisarturoorduna2098
@luisarturoorduna2098 10 месяцев назад
As someone who had assembled PC's from 80x286 to present day "trow pieces in and let them sort themselves up" motherboards, i can say that: 1.- CPU speed does not affect time and date. 2.- For changing date and time, you go to BIOS and set it, if you want to get extra resetty, you remove the battery and wait 30 seconds before replacing it. 3.- For overclocking on those motherboards (or just for correctly installing a CPU) you must locate three sets of jumpers, one for frequency, one for the multiplier and one for voltage, IE, your Texas Instruments 80x386 DX runs at a whopping 25 MHz and 1.2 Volts, you set frequency at 2.5 MHz, set the multiplier at 10X and the voltage at 1.2. Perhaps your mobo doesnt have the exact frecuency and multiplier... so you adjust to the nearest combination. For overclocking you adjust the frecuency and multiplier to the maximum stable combination, SLOWLY, increase a bit, test, increase a bit more, test.... and so on, and you can adjust the voltage sightly to improve stability... but putting jumpers in a wrong combination or trying to go too high can be a very fast way to fry a processor. 4.- Oh, and by the way, you also had to manually set jumpers to assign DMA and IRQ's for your add on cards. The situation in the show could be presented as a very interesting and intense one... you got an old mobo of soviet manufacture, you do not know the brand, there are no manuals online, You need to set pins to get into BIOS? What is the key to press to enter BIOS during boot? Perhaps is a cobination exclusive for that unknown brand. And if you MUST overclock..where are the pins and jumpers for frecuency? Are you doing your math right to calculate 40 MHz? What if you need a extra jumper cap to reach the necesary frequency? Would you need to take one from your HDD? Are you sure that it would still work without that jumper? And the most impossible of all missions... how you make a 386 era PC run without conecting ANYTHING except the power cord ? Most PC's wont even boot without a keyboard present.
@churchofmarcus
@churchofmarcus 10 месяцев назад
I appreciate the scene from In the Dark where Josh asks Gene to enhance the CCTV footage, and he just says, "That's not a thing."
@____________________________.x
@____________________________.x 11 месяцев назад
Bunkers always have an air filter, mostly only military ones have CO2 scrubbers. They usually have a secondary exit(s) too
@macksnotcool
@macksnotcool 10 месяцев назад
It's not bad because it's that bad; it's bad because it really looks like they tried.
@OtherWorldExplorers
@OtherWorldExplorers 10 месяцев назад
It's up to your channel for this video. Looking forward to the rest of that rebuild as well.
@TailOfThePup
@TailOfThePup 5 месяцев назад
I just love how in every movie/tv-show, when a computer gets a virus, the graphics starts glitching!!! So I know I've never had a virus on any of my computers.
@TechTimeTraveller
@TechTimeTraveller 5 месяцев назад
Right? And the hackers always have these fancy graphics at the ready to wow the victim!
@TheNefastor
@TheNefastor 10 месяцев назад
Yeah a colleague of mine saw that episode. We're all engineer. It made us laugh for three coffee breaks straight. Then we started plotting to take over the world because clearly our skills and mastery of technology are so many orders of magnitude above mere mortals' that we might as well be Palpatine-level space wizards. Seriously, humans should fear the day engineers decide to take over. There won't be any stopping us, not even with cans of soup, however conductive they might be.
@1xWertzui
@1xWertzui 10 месяцев назад
A few things about Russian personal compters. If we are talking about the USSR (in the 80's): - there were very few IBM PC clones In the USSR / Eastern Bloc / COMECON countries - importing x86 processors/computers was illegal, only substitute available was the K1810VM86 (which is an Intel 8086 clone) - The USSR produced far more desktop PDP-11 clone models - For personal use there were Specturm clones, but as DIY hobbyist stuff for the eager electric engineers The availability of personal computers was very thin in the USSR in the 80's (think of like the mid 70's in the USA), their distribution was most likely state controlled, and their main use was scientific and educational. I doubt they would even utilize such high tech as computers for such bening task as controlling a door. If we are talking about Russia (after 1991) - IBM PC clones were the same whatever was available on the west ...for whoever could buy it in the times economic crisis - Thus there was the market open for domestic ZX Spectrum clone models, their heyday was in the 90's. Regardless of the availability of computers, there was no incentive to build bunkers anymore when the cold war was over.
@TiagoTiagoT
@TiagoTiagoT 11 месяцев назад
One possible explanation for the date getting reset without asking on boot could be that the system depended on the realtime clock to initialize the software clock on boot, and from them on it just counted time in software, and the realtime clock ran out of battery and the software just initialized it's internal clock with zeros rather than crashing on boot. That doesn't help much with all the other issues though; and I'm not sure there's any actual systems that behave like that (though it does vaguely ring a bell).
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 11 месяцев назад
If it's been properly designed, it should default to open or to open after a short delay. Anytime you're designing something like this, a system failure should default to the least harmful possibility. In this case, probably the door would open a short while later with some sort of manual override to prevent it from opening in case of an actual nuclear explosion. .
@TiagoTiagoT
@TiagoTiagoT 11 месяцев назад
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Regarding the door mechanism itself; given the purpose of a panic room is to protect people inside from whatever is outside, I imagine the appropriate way to design it would be that the door would default to open, be spring-loaded to close upon getting triggered, even in the absence of power, and have a mechanical manual override inside that would unlock it and uncouple it from the spring, and a pair of cranks to manually open it, one close to the floor in case the occupants have been injured and can't stand up, and another close to the ceiling in case somehow the room got flooded to almost the ceiling (if it was flood all the way, it wouldn't matter much where the crank is, but if there's still a bit of air at top, it people would consume less oxygen cranking from the surface than having to dive crank a bit, come back to catch more air and repeat); cranks instead of just letting the door be pushed directly, in order to make it so it's not backdrivable with some gearing, so that someone from the outside can't just pull it open.
@JohnGMeadows
@JohnGMeadows 11 месяцев назад
Hollywood gets nothing right, not history, not technology. I'm a vintage film camera geek, and remember watching a movie (name escapes me) where the heroine is looking through an old (1930's to 1950) Leica rangefinder. The movie then shows what she is looking at through the viewfinder, and simulates the appearance of a viewfinder from a 1970-ish single lens reflex, nothing at all like a vintage Leica. Most viewers wouldn't know or care but it came close to ruining the movie for me. Hollywood knows it doesn't really to get much right; the average movie-goer won't have a clue.
@falksweden
@falksweden 10 месяцев назад
It's fascinating. They tried to get the computer to crash, by triggering a Y2K-problem, but needed to cool the extremely overclocked computer so it wouldn't.... crash... 🤔
@android01978
@android01978 10 месяцев назад
I think decreasing the power to the rtc (not sure if shorting the power pins could work for this or if they’re diode protected) would (if you don’t fry it) cause it to flip bits so you could get lucky, but over powering would be unlikely to cause anything until it just stops working. In terms of the cpu, if they were able to increase the clock speed somehow, it would require more power, however, it’s unlikely it would still work at all if it was requiring more power than the motherboard of the era could handle. The lid as a conductor may have got confused somewhere along the way since it could help a little with thermal heat dissipation (helping overheating issues) but seems like a terrible idea as an electrical conductor… it would be much easier to go the cpu is overheating (not wires) and we need to cool it down so here’s a chunk of metal we can use.
@customsongmaker
@customsongmaker 11 месяцев назад
If you don't know which aisle the item is on, how do you scan it?
@JWSmythe
@JWSmythe 10 месяцев назад
Back in the day, some games used the CPU clock to regulate the gameplay. Or more like, they used the time it took to complete an action as the pacing. So hitting the "turbo" button, or otherwise making it run faster than 1MHz, the game would play faster. I only remember it happening on 286, with games designed for the 8088. After that, programmers discovered they needed a better way to manage the speed of their games. Overclocking back in the 386 days was just a matter of flipping some dip switches, or moving some jumpers. I worked in a computer store when we were still building 386, 486, and finally Pentium machines. If we didn't set the jumpers (or DIP switches) right, the machines would run at the wrong speed. Or it wouldn't boot. I hadn't heard of this show yet, but thanks for making it clear that it isn't worth watching. It sounds like they're using the same writers or tech advisors that the show "Scorpion" used. Technically illiterate people who had misheard something once, and used it as a plot point.
@rijaja
@rijaja 10 месяцев назад
I'll add the little thing that bothered me. When he scans the barcode it's way outside of the camera's fov. Barcodes absolutely need to be fully visible to be read.
@____________________________.x
@____________________________.x 11 месяцев назад
Swiss bunkers all have a big yellow spanner on the wall, so that getting locked inside through some kind of door failure, doesn’t happen
@alienews0
@alienews0 10 месяцев назад
about the rtc battery : it doesn't necessarily lead to an error or forces you to give the time, my PC1512 used to display a message like "F1 to set the time or F2 to continue boot with default values" and if i remember well it defaults to midnight (probably january 1St 1970 i.e. a 0 value for the time as i think it was using unix based timestamp despite being an amstrad PC but i can be wrong about that i was a kid at that time and didn't start my computer science studies yet)
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