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Why Can't More Synths Do This? 🤔 | Another Waldorf Blofeld Love Letter 

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Howdy doody, frienderoonies! Today we're here for yet another Waldorf Blofeld love letter to talk about this crazy lack of multi-timbral functions in most modern synthesizers. As all the excitement of Superbooth has the industry buzzing, I once again seem to find myself a bit frustrated and confused why this just isn't a thing anymore.
Am I alone on this? Do you think multi-timbral functionality is as awesome as I do? Is chemex coffee actually any better? Settle in with your coffee, and let's have a chat about all this and more with a bit of Blofeld sound design action along the way!
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19:06 Analog Isn't Pointless
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@VenusTheory
@VenusTheory 2 года назад
What's your favorite multitimbral synth? 🤔
@craighillcomposer
@craighillcomposer 2 года назад
Access Virus TI
@atomicasounds
@atomicasounds 2 года назад
Nord Lead 4
@kaitsu9608
@kaitsu9608 2 года назад
@@craighillcomposer Yeah virus ti. its *literally* 16 synths in 1, with traditional layout.
@mathew7025
@mathew7025 2 года назад
The Roland V Synth XT is a great hidden multi-timbral synth... hidden cause I had to really fight to get there. :)
@paultorbert6929
@paultorbert6929 2 года назад
Well, ALL OF THEM, of course....!
@zerodollarstudio6934
@zerodollarstudio6934 2 года назад
By the time I got a Blofeld (late 2020), I noticed all the videos about it were along the lines of "is there any life left in this old thing?" It's really discouraging to encounter that attitude over and over. The thing is brand new to me, not some retro relic.
@SkeleMusic
@SkeleMusic 2 года назад
It’s really powerful! I think the blofeld needs new videos as well, this one is a great start
@fjdubya5726
@fjdubya5726 2 года назад
As Jexus/WC Olo Garb from Poland says, "It's not what the synthesizer can do for a man but what a man can do with a synthesizer". I've come to really appreciate that guy. Some of his experimentations are a little off the wall if not brash and annoying... But some are truly wild and inspired spontaneous and impressive pieces of work. And they are done with all kinds of sense ranging from stuff that's almost 50 years old right up until the most modern cutting edge ones. I always got to laugh at how during the height of the Nord Lead's Fame, Jexus just about pissed on it according to his review. He was not terribly impressed with the synth that everyone else was bragging about! People who worry about how obsolete or not a synthesizer is are people who are simply swept along by the music industry and all of them doctrination of what the latest thing should sound like. I've heard some modern synthesizers that I was not impressed with at all and they were not cheap either. Get some people can take an old Casio for entry level Yamaha, and run it through some analog effects and come up with a beautiful ethereal symphony that has you on the edge of your seat. I dont take what these "progressive" people say seriously. Every time they declare one synthesizer obsolete and are religiously trying to promote the latest technology, they are merely covering at their own failure to get the best out of any machine they've ever worked with. Posers and techno-slaves with little real inherent musicianship or ability to draw inspiration out of thin air. They completely depend on some new gimmick in order to sound different. After everybody else starts using it then they toss it away and go to the next thing... Again trying to cover for their failures.
@craigmoran893
@craigmoran893 2 года назад
well the build quality was shit. And a 2nd hand Virus Snow, makes it look like a joke.
@femto859
@femto859 Год назад
@@craigmoran893 Here you pay twice amount the price for a snow and what i have seen - it has 3 potentiometers (kills the ui for me personally)
@craigmoran893
@craigmoran893 Год назад
@@femto859 2 of the pots died on my blofeld, and a 3rd was on the way out ofter 6 months. It would randomly hard crash and restart. It would would randomly drop notes. It wouldnt hold sync to midi, as slave or master. Garbage. I'm not saying a Snow is cheap, or easier to program - it's about the same. But its a Pro unit. Built to last
@The5thVolt
@The5thVolt 2 года назад
Korg Wavestate is 4 part multi timbral and you can assign a different MIDI channel to each part. The Joystick allows to cross fade between the parts which can also be automated as a "path".
@2kshortgod554
@2kshortgod554 Год назад
Just got mine it’s fireeeee
@chained-x-official
@chained-x-official Год назад
The Blofeld has 16 Parts. You can Layer or split until 16 different Instruments in Multi Mode. And, you can set every Multi Part to a different Midi Channel. Or, for a big fat Sound, set all to Channel 1 😉
@housebandthexenos2569
@housebandthexenos2569 2 года назад
Here's what analog has to offer: It's the sound. It sounds different. That doesn't mean it's better or worse, a particular sound is only better if you like it more than others at the time. I hear ppl say plugins have it nailed. No, no they don't. I have a rediculous number of plugins. V collection 8, Roland Cloud Ultimate, Komplete 13, CA Voltage etc, hundreds more. No i don't own Diva, but I've heard all the demos and no cigar, sorry. I seriously don't understand how some ppl say they can't hear the difference. You know what? I'm glad VA sounds different. I have a room full of analog synthesizers, I have an an entire shopping mall full of VA software synthesizers and I like them too, and use them plenty when I could use an analog. I don't always want a track to sound like an analog synth. You might say, wait a second, not all analogs sound the same. Nope, no they don't but I can hear that they are analog and sometimes I don't want it on a track. I don't want to debate that, I just do hear it. I also guarantee you Behringer is not selling those very limited monophonic synths by the shipload because they sound the same or because ppl buy into buzzwords. I feel like you haven't owned an analog synth probably. Get your hands on a Behringer Model D, otherwise known as a BOOG, then get a plugin to sound like that. If it's a good plugin the character will be there, but it will just not be the same thing. If you want more complex, go for an Odyssey or 2600, but the thing about trying a Boog is that it's just the simplest sounds, and you can't say it's the complexity of the patch making it sound so different. I could see how you're sick of how many analog style plugins come out with analog styled limitations, but you know of course many don't. Pigments, Synthmaster, Vital, Voltage, sure don't have those limitations. The reason why with hardwarare synths analog is a big deal, is that all digital can be had in a plugin. They know that's their competition and also why I don't buy new digital hardware synths. I have quite a few vintage ones, and those do manage to sound different to plugins, and or you can get them very cheap and that's just fun. I put a like because I subscribe to your videos and appreciate your time and effort I of course get some knowledge/opinions and enjoy your delivery.... even though I disagree with most of what you said in this one lol. I appreciate opinions and respect you taking the time to express yours. Mine is, I could care less about multimbrality. If it's going to be your only hardware synth I guess, to not have to re-edit midi tracks before commiting to audio or making layers, but I'm generally fine with just recording tracks one at a time or using multiple synths in a multitimbral way. In the 90's I cared about a synth or rompler/sampler being multimbral, but with how plentiful synths and audio tracks are I havent used anything multimbrally except my Electribe 2 in over 20 years.
@gossamyr
@gossamyr 2 года назад
Let's break down the reality of what this cat is saying with a sum. Analog sounds better LIVE. If you put an analog synth thru a mixer then to a PA(moderately loud to fucking loud, mind you), you will need a hanky. The second you record it digitally, that magic is literally deleted(and it will sound just like a plugin). The human vagina is similar. I am a recovering 'hardware or die' cat. Even in that niche dichotomy there was another split, 'analog or die' or 'whatever I can afford'. Analog is now affordable. So yes analog sounds better live, I would testify to this in a congressional court. If the prosecutor then asked what my 3 favourite 'go to' synths were, I would say: Yamaha AN1X, Dsi Evolver, Alesis Ion engine(Ion/micron/miniak). I love my ultranova and my blofeld for their versatility. I am almost tempted to say an analog synth is like a jeep that likes mud. But that environment doesn't exist in urban/suburban areas. There are games where you can drive a virtual jeep in digital mud and it's...fun, but not the same experience. Notice this is not a question of better, it's difference.
@housebandthexenos2569
@housebandthexenos2569 2 года назад
@@gossamyr This is NOT what I'm saying. A digital recording does a fine job of reproducing an analog synth and doesn't, as you say, make it sound like a plugin. Also all the hardware synths you mentioned are digital.
@gossamyr
@gossamyr 2 года назад
@@housebandthexenos2569 Well the evolver is both, but yeah digital synths. I have 6 analogs but I was detailing my go to's, not analogs. I disagree with digital being the same. Even when I use a crappy fostex cassette 4 track, it sounds fuller than a digital recording to me. I can't afford to record on 2" tape though, so I have to record digital currently to be efficient. Most probably won't notice much of a difference, though...
@housebandthexenos2569
@housebandthexenos2569 2 года назад
@@gossamyr i dont have much experience with R2R but i kind of draw the line there. Its alot of extra work and expense on something thats not music making, and thats coming from someone with a 56 channel analog console and racks full of good comps and eqs. I own a Tascam 38 8 track R2R for 2 years and I havent used it even once. There are lots of ways analog or digital can be better, and many things that can be analog or digital. One things for certain, at least to me, analog things sound different than digital things and anyone who says different, is not good at listening or lying for an agenda. I do think the end listners hear it too, they dont know what it is or care what makes it sound that way, they just know if they like the music and sound or not.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 года назад
@@gossamyr "Analog sounds better LIVE." That's 100% in your mind only, this difference does not exist in a live venue. Any of us keyboardists that know sound design and wield an FA-06 can prove it to you in person, as can the ones that wield a MODX or MOXF. I don't know with what and how you record your analogues in your studio, but when I record mine they sound noticeably different from my VSTs like Dune3 and Massive X. I just use a Quad-capture, nothing special but not as bad as those muddy, overrated Scarletts. That said, the difference between my analogues and VSTs once fitted into a mix is small, and the consumer masses couldn't care any less whether your synths are analogue or digital, whether they listen to your tracks or listen to you perform live. Analogue only continues to exist because we love the stuff and demand it and some companies are willing to supply. We can do without the stuff perfectly well. It's always hilarious watching others do absurd mental gymnastics trying to justify analogue as anything other than luxury. You love analogue and use analogue synths, that is really the only justification you need, and the only one that isn't laughably ridiculous.
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 года назад
I generally agree with you on this. One thing I've always thought, though, is that there are two separate use cases for multitimbrality. One is layering, and the other is keyboard splits (which is mostly useful for live performance). Is it possible that manufacturers who are making smaller keyboard synths and/or desktop synths (OpSix, Hydrasynth etc.) are making an assumption that nobody needs multitimbrality because it's only useful for splits on large keyboards? The point being that layering is *always* useful to have, regardless of the form factor, and they ought to remember this more often. A similar issue from the world of computers: I'm pretty fed up with having to click the column separator to see the full file name in file explorer apps (Windows File Explorer and Apple's Finder equally guilty here). Both of these companies pour billions into whizzy new features that I don't want, like animated chat icons etc. - but for decades now they haven't got off their backsides and done the one simple thing that would improve my workflow no end: auto-sizing columns! Just make the column auto-size to fit the contents, so that folders with long filenames in them actually show you the complete filenames without you once having to click with a pointing device.
@breitbanddesign
@breitbanddesign 2 года назад
totally agree. interface usibility on macs and in software become worse the last ten years. not only in os but in lets say adobe tools as well
@Joseph-pd5hh
@Joseph-pd5hh 4 месяца назад
Multi timbral is not about just layers. It’s also about using the same synth to produce different sounds for your music tracks themselves That way I can set up the first eight mini channels to trigger eight custom drum sounds. I created an eight more channels for pads and melodies and bass and leads. You can create an entire song with just one machine Think of it like loading the same VST instrument multiple times because you need to use multiple sounds when working on a computer to make music
@thomasnikzakrzewski4477
@thomasnikzakrzewski4477 2 года назад
Coffee is one of the most complex foods. It contains ~1200 molecular components. The problem with any paper filter is that, while removing the "harsh" components, it also removes some of the most flavorful ones. The end result is a smooth but less flavorful experience. Baby with the bathwater.
@electricitythrills
@electricitythrills 2 месяца назад
Correction: the Bofeld IS INDEED a VA (Virtual Analog) synth, as well as a WaveTable synth, and also a sample-playback and an FM synth. Beyond this single misstatement I noticed, a pretty good video and I agree with most of what you assert about how stupid it is that so many synths are Not multitimbral.
@orbitfold
@orbitfold 2 года назад
I think the reason is largely that the focus of external equipment has changed. While in the 90s they were mostly sound sources it would not fly anymore since plug-ins are just quicker to use and sound better most of the time. So they focus on immediacy and ease of use. You can arguably dial in the "perfect tone" quicker on a knob per function analog synth. And multi-timbrality (and even presets) obscure this to a large extent. Since you are not sure anymore that the positions of the knobs correspond to anything in the sound.
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper 2 года назад
Agreed. The main purpose of hardware synths these days is the interface. I have a Blofeld. I got it because it's multitimbral, cheap, small, and sounds okay. But I ended up kinda regretting it, because it turns out I don't really need to record more than one timbre at a time. What I need instead is a good interface for patch creation and performance expression... which the Blofeld doesn't have. It's mostly just three knobs and a very long menu. Multitimbrality in a hardware synth just doesn't matter much any more. It was huge in the past, but the set of people who need that feature in modern times is vanishingly small, mostly limited to only dawless synth geeks who _don't_ have a ton of hardware. I later ended up getting a Pro 3, and I've been very happy with it. It's like the opposite of a Blofeld, and it's fantastic. But I'd still like to find a use for the Blofeld's many timbres. So I'm thinking about writing a procedural song generator which spits out several channels worth of midi, similar to a NDLR but deeper and more automatic.
@orbitfold
@orbitfold 2 года назад
@@ToyKeeper Nodal is pretty good for that
@lionelluney3063
@lionelluney3063 2 года назад
I disagree I just used a friends modx and korg ms 3000[?] . I came out power on to finished track in 20 min like my when I just use logic or Maschine plus whatever DAW I feel like using. Speed and efficiency is more on how you know your gear and what speaks to you..
@orbitfold
@orbitfold 2 года назад
@@lionelluney3063 what are you even replying to? Also you didn't finish a track in 20min. Not in any meaningful way anyway. That's how long it takes to master a track.
@femto859
@femto859 Год назад
but with endless encoders it doesnt really matter to change them and you can use mystery island editor/Patchbase to show where everything is at - if you really intend to open an old project
@SyntheticFuture
@SyntheticFuture 2 года назад
"what does this do that other things can't do" is my first question whenever I learn about a new piece of software. Often the answer is "nothing".... Which is really sad =/
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
that seems overly simplified. Feature sets are not the only important part of a product, as is the case with analog hardware, the question, is how does it sound different. And here, though, I would say a lot of people miss the large overlap in sounds, and may go for something, just because it in some cases can sound different, whereas most of the time, it sounds very similar (that is typically often how people compare analog to digital, only focusing on the difference, no matter how seldom it matters, just for the sake of finding a difference). I've seen a lot of people lookin for that next new thing, and because of that, not really paying attention to what is on offer. And typically, the makers, that makes something widely different, also ends up with something that is typically not that user friendly, and doesn't even have the legacy of, "that is just how that type of product works, and you learn it".
@biglufik
@biglufik 2 года назад
Hi, you can layer sounds in Reason using combinator. It is great tool, you can build complex sounds by combining any synths and effects and save the whole thing as a patch. Or you can build effect pathes same way.
@TonyThomas10000
@TonyThomas10000 2 года назад
I have several favorite multitimbral synths: Dune, Omnisphere, Electra, Falcon, Rapid, Triton, Kontakt, Xpand. I also make my own using Ableton Racks and Unify.
@owizlo
@owizlo 2 года назад
Agreed
@laddermusic
@laddermusic 2 года назад
I’m a multi enthusiast too, proud parent of my three faves which are the access virus ti2, blofeld, and my recent Jupiter Xm. I definitely use multi sound design on all of them. Love your coffee insight, lol.
@rudkx
@rudkx 2 года назад
You’re right not a lot of people are doing this, but Dave Smith Instruments / Sequential has this on several synths.
@unifinful
@unifinful 2 года назад
Back in the days DSP development was still low level machine code. They used real DSPs for computation. Today they mostly use general purpose CPUs with some DSP-like instructions and code them in higher level languages that are less performant. So even while they have much higher frequency, their performance is not DSP optimized and in reality they might perform worse. Additionally, back in the days you calculated sound differently. Waldorf mostly used fixed point calculation with some special tricks to use less instructions. You had lots of aliasing. Aliasing-free OSCs for proper wavetable playback are very taxing. Overall, I think because of better sound quality, CPU choice and probably less computational skills, newer synth developers might not be able to do more voices. Also it's a cost and time issue. DSPs are very expensive because nobody is buying them anymore.
@jeandista
@jeandista 2 года назад
Yes, but the point is you can go multitimbral with just the VA as well, which is already crazy. Even with aliasing waveforms Blofeld is still lot of fun to program.
@mentat7984
@mentat7984 6 месяцев назад
This is very interesting, I suspected there was something technical behind this and not just the marketing / product positioning of knob per function interfaces. That mixture of DSP hardware becoming expensive and being replaced by general purpose computation plus the skills for writing code for DSP no longer being developed sounds like a solid reason why my Elektron Digitone has half the voices of a DX7 despite all the advancements in tech since.
@modeswitching
@modeswitching 2 года назад
If you like layering different waveforms, the hardware synth you want is the Nord Wave 2. Four part multitimbral with faders.
@olafsigursons
@olafsigursons Год назад
You can layer 16 parts on the Virus TI ;)
@mrz80
@mrz80 7 месяцев назад
Faders, so you can vary the levels between the layers and bring 'em in and out as needed? Handy!
@jsbachrachs
@jsbachrachs 2 года назад
Another reason why I love Sequential so much, the rev2 is bi-timbral and I layer things on almost every patch I make. And with the new P10 update it can be bi-timbral too. Layering is the best.
@Winterdagen
@Winterdagen 2 года назад
Hmmm I do get the love for layering up synth sounds. But to me that doesn't mean synths need to be multitimbral. I always find multitimbral synths a bit confusing. It's like trying to fit a whole composition into one synth patch. I find layering up sounds in the recording process to be much more clear. Also when you layer up multiple different patches or different synths (even more fun!) to create layered sounds, it opens up much more possibilities for the rest of the production process as well. I do agree on the analog vs digital discussion having gotten way old. Who cares indeed.
@VictorLombardi
@VictorLombardi 2 года назад
My thought as well. Even though I love Logic's Alchemy and its ability to combine four timbres, I more commonly layer sounds as tracks because I don't have to dive into a plugin to control level and automation differently than other tracks.
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
I do think, that a lot of people when designing synth sounds, don't layer to create a single complex sound, played in the same way. However that was not the real use of multi-timbral synths either. So it might be a overlooked part of sound designing. And if the product don't support it, one can't find presets that does that. Unless someone gets something like Unity, or what it is called, and find presets made for just a specific set of softwares that they do own. Layering has been widely overlooked, for long though, as one of the aspects that made the CS-80 stand out, and when comparing it to others, people seem to completely miss that aspect, that would typically require more than one synth, to make something similar. Each of the layers of the CS-80, isn't necessarily that much more exciting than other synhts. But when comparing a dual layer sound to a single layer, one is missing a large part of it.
@NateHorn
@NateHorn 2 года назад
For me multitimbrality is more about live performance and studio space (or portability) - I think if you're working in the box and recording seperate tracks/instruments then it doesn't really make much sense in that kind of workflow, as you can just switch between presets. But for me being able to setup both a Pad and a Drone on one polysynth makes things a lot more practical for me.
@VictorLombardi
@VictorLombardi 2 года назад
@@NateHorn I forgot that Logic's Alchemy not only has four timbres, but it can *morph* those timbres, so that's something unique that we can't do on tracks in a DAW, at least not without a specialized morphing plug-in.
@NateHorn
@NateHorn 2 года назад
@@VictorLombardi That's very cool!
@ScottsSynthStuff
@ScottsSynthStuff 2 года назад
MODX and Montage are 16-part multitimbral, with splits and layers galore. The new Hydrasynth Deluxe is bitimbral. So it's not completely absent from the market...just rare nowadays.
@bangmateo7481
@bangmateo7481 2 года назад
MOD and Montage are workstations like the Motif and Tritons were.
@spectre.garden
@spectre.garden 2 года назад
A workstation is a synthesizer. Full synthesis options are available. Depending on what you pick there may be more or less 1:1 dedicated control over timbre, or a deep menu system. But they are indeed fully featured synthesizers. ROM sample banks may be the most common trait, but it's by no means the only type of synthesis used on the modern systems, going back to Motif, Triton, and Kurzweil. I agree that they are typically not marketed to avant garde customers and the default patches can be pretty stale. But I think most people that say workstation like it's a dirty word, would be surprised by the power and capability of these things. Most are at a _minimum_ equipped to be subtractive synthesizers and there are waveforms, not just samples to use for oscillators.
@mr_floydst
@mr_floydst 2 года назад
@@spectre.garden ^this! My 20 years old workstation still can do more than all of my table top synths combined. Only the reverb effects sound really dated at this point (but that's what external effects are for).
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
@@bangmateo7481 the reason the Blofeld is multi-timbral is mostly the same that workstations are. In a time when using multiple instruments, and before that even audio channels in a daw was expensive, beeing able to sequence multiple channels via midi, made great sense. Workstations can be used to make layered sounds as well. So they do count. Most workstations though, had limitations, when it came to the subtractive synthesis part.
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
@@spectre.garden I haven't seen workstation as a negative word, in the past, other than as not as easy to work with as a computer, but as they usually hade quicker boot times, and often were more stable for live use, they had their place. I have heard the term Rompler, used as a negative word, and then often falsely describing something that was a workstation or sound module with sample and synthesis. There were Romplers, they typically played General Midi, or an expansion of that, some hade sequencers, and were kind of workstations, but they had no sound edit. Today, we mostly have digital pianos that are romplers, most other products, have some form of synthesis power, even a lot of stage pianos, are more than just simple romplers.
@sazalamel4749
@sazalamel4749 Год назад
I love my Blofeld for exactly that. But I also hate it in some ways, one of which you accidentally showed. I can't count how many sounds I've lost because of me turning that damn knob when the machine didn't want me to😅
@terminalglimmer
@terminalglimmer 2 года назад
The Korg Wavestate is four-part multitimbral. Modwave is two-part.
@ptkelly80
@ptkelly80 2 года назад
The Wavestation was 16-part almost 30 years ago. It’s ridiculous to cut it down to four.
@terminalglimmer
@terminalglimmer 2 года назад
@@ptkelly80 Idk, sounds like the current Wavestates were designed to integrate into existing setups rather than be a single sound generator for everything. Form factor and price point, I kind of see it. I do wish there were more rack options than just the Roland Integra these days, but given the way people work now, and the emphasis on knob per function, that's just a tradeoff you have to make I guess.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 года назад
@@ptkelly80 16-part is overkill, who actually makes sounds layering that much at once and with one or two insert FX for the 16 layers? Everyone producing on a PC has individual inserts on every layer plus a different EQ instance on each layer, but even then, they don't do 16 parts for one lead, bass, or pad.
@ptkelly80
@ptkelly80 2 года назад
@@Jason75913 the Integra-7 has 16 parts and an effects section for each one. It can be done, just no one wants to do it. Yeah, I understand about computers. A simple daw can outperform any hardware synth with enough RAM and CPU.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 года назад
@@ptkelly80 You brought up the old Wavestation, not the modern Integra-7. FA-08 and the 2019 Fantom are similarly as powerful as the Integra, but none of this answers my question. Who is doing 16-layer pads, leads, and basses? And post effects are extemely limited on anything not a modern, upscale Roland rompler. Wavestate having only 4 parts is sensible. That said, I think the price is a bit high. It's sound quality is comparable to the Krome EX, but less feature-laden, much less keys, no touchscreen interface, and no full-fledged sequencer. Krome's sequencer (original or the newer EX) can bring up a piano roll view that works much like a PC DAW's.
@stanbekker
@stanbekker Год назад
The Access Virus is amazing for this same reason, 16 part multi with the TI 1 and 2 having 80-100 voices... I received the Blofeld today and I like it a lot, very capable synth. I think the Blofeld and Virus might use a similar DSP chip
@olafsigursons
@olafsigursons Год назад
A lot of synth of this time use the same DSP, I think it's the 536XX.
@EpocaDura
@EpocaDura 7 месяцев назад
Your right in the sense that many synths used the Motorola DSP563xx chips. How ever the Virus TI uses 2 of them achieving up to 90 voices, allowing you to play up to 16 patches simultaneously. Not to mention that the Virus TI can be connected via usb and be fully controlled by the TI VST inside your DAW. Its a Very unique synth, with jaw drooping spec's and a capabilities that are a bit hard to compare to other synths. Older Waldorf synths were made in the same city as Access Virus's and the companies collaborated quite a bit back in the day, thus the similar design philosophies. The Biofield and TI2 are the only physical synths I own, and I don't plan on ever letting them go. 👍
@wighttoan
@wighttoan 2 года назад
Multi mode was the whole reason I bought a Blofeld. And the Alesis Micron, M-Audio Venom and Beat Thang. Also love slaving synths with a Quadra Thru.
@ToysintheStatic
@ToysintheStatic 2 года назад
You’re not alone, I definitely agree! I love analog, but I would never be able to do what I do without digital synths and fx.
@mrz80
@mrz80 7 месяцев назад
I too love analog, but VA and VSTs are just plain close enough for what's left of my hearing. 😛
@Avesta.
@Avesta. 2 года назад
This very reason is why I will always have a Blofeld in my collection, no matter what crazy new synths come out or what fancy analog stuff shows up on the market. I'm happy to see companies like Roland offering new multi timbral synths, FINALLY, and I find the new Jupiter X to be an absolute joy because of it. Great video!
@mrz80
@mrz80 7 месяцев назад
The prices Roland charges tho... I'm quite content with their older multitimbral offerings. You can get a JV1010 or even 1080 for comfortably low prices these days. The Jup X is a glorious instrument but just too bloomin' spendy. 🙂 I'm now rockin' a pretty capable multitimbral collection - QS8.1, Micron, Nanosynth, JV-1010, and just ordered, yep, a Blofeld. You need a Blofeld. I need a Blofeld. EVERYONE needs a Blofeld. 😀
@Avesta.
@Avesta. 6 месяцев назад
@@mrz80 I have a QS 8.2, I'm always surprised at how relevant that thing is no matter how much time passes lol
@mrz80
@mrz80 6 месяцев назад
@@Avesta. Alesis did something it apparently never occurred to Roland to try: They made the majority of their factory presets useful, usable, and decent sounding :P
@TheHammondx66
@TheHammondx66 2 года назад
Great video! I've been using the Blofeld and Pulse 2 since 2016. Waldorf synths like the Blofeld and Pulse 2 do not get the praise they so rightly deserve. The Blofeld is, unfortunately, a very underrated synth. With a bit of digging and exploration, this synth becomes a monster! Again, thank you for an excellent review. Best, Chip
@valdiskrebs566
@valdiskrebs566 2 года назад
Multi-timbral for layering sounds is nice, but multi-timbrality across multiple independent sync-able sequences/arps/tracks is the best! The KeyStep Pro, with 4 mono-timbral synths of your choice, is another way to go.
@philmarsh5593
@philmarsh5593 2 года назад
All through the late 80s and early 90s I had a Kawai K1R - like a poor man's D50. But that was multi timbral and I used to have each voice in a multi on a separate midi channel so I could get more tracks layered on my cassette 4 track. Later I had a Roland XP-30 and used multis on that to play live - either splitting across the keyboard or just getting more dense sounds. Don't play live now. Now I just layer soft synth sounds in a DAW. Seems easier and more flexible to me for recording.
@PacificIslandDrive
@PacificIslandDrive 2 года назад
You might want to check out the Sequential REV2 16-voice. You can stack, or split two completely different patches, in full analogue. You can even stack two duplicate patches, pan one full left, and the other right, and achieve binaural stereo patches.
@deckling823
@deckling823 2 года назад
This video convinced me about getting a blofeld, I was thinking in a novation peak, but I want something different, and the blofeld seems to be perfect for trance, I guess I will take advantage of the multitimbral =D thank you again!! I have learned so much with your videos
@kassemir
@kassemir 2 года назад
When you started explaining this, I kinda thought it was a feature I wouldn't use myself. But, then, thinking about it, in the DAW I do it all the time. Have multiple different synths layered, and then just dump the same MIDI in there. This is pretty much the same thing, if you think about it.
@delphisignal
@delphisignal 2 года назад
This is what I was thinking. You don't need multi-timbral plugins when you can do the same thing by layering as many tracks in your DAW as your want. Slow computer? Just bounce the tracks. There are still a few plugs that do multi-timbral; Omnisphere, Halion, Phaseplant, Falcon (which he mentioned). Pretty sure you can in Reaktor and Kontakt too.
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
Actually, most of the hardware synths I still own are multitimbral. With plugins you can use as many instances, with different patches, as your DAW can handle.
@epochphilosophy
@epochphilosophy 2 года назад
Which synths?
@Heathcliff_hensel
@Heathcliff_hensel 2 года назад
Yes and when it comes to recording most people record one track at a time.
@avsystem3142
@avsystem3142 2 года назад
@@Heathcliff_hensel Perhaps for live recording. I create multitrack compositions in my DAW and then render the entire thing to audio. There usually are multiple hardware and software synths playing simultaneously.
@Aqua_1014
@Aqua_1014 2 года назад
I love how even the VST version of the Blofeld, Largo, is multitimbral. I mainly used to use my Blofeld with a computer and, while it isn't bad, the UI always turned me off from exploring deeper into the synth. I compared my Blofeld and Largo and found that (when the bass boost is turned on in Largo!!!) the sound is the same, aside from missing the Blofeld's PPG filter and sample rate/multi effect from Largo. I sold the hardware off for a more immediate synth and have been more than happy using the software version!
@insektgod
@insektgod 2 года назад
The Sequential Six-Trak is my first love and also still my favorite for it's six part multi-timbral monster mono stack mode (Kind of like a modular without the cables). It's old and it's single oscillator per voice, but the little things it does differently kind of put it in a special place. The poly glide is also nice when playing polyphonic stuff extra slippy like being on the edge of control; sort of intuiting which note will be the glide from source on your next legato key press (sounds like it's random and uncontrollable but actually you start to have an intuition.) The Synaesthesia Pipes does nice layering stuff it's a sample playback device, but like the MPCs and other devices it lets you stack up voices into very complex layer arrangements. I think the Korg Wavestate does similar things with wave sequencing. Agreed that the "Analog" word is abused but I still love analog filters and prefer them especially under modern digital control even if the 127 levels under MIDI CC is kind of exasperating considering that the standard is 45 years old.
@marcweiss547
@marcweiss547 Год назад
I owned a six track and sold it for a Ensoniq VFxsd that I sold to get a Korg Karma, kept that for 20 years and got a MODX in 2021. Anyway, the sixtrack caught my eye. Happy Thanksgiving
@jazzdoorman
@jazzdoorman 2 года назад
Amen, Brother! That's why I'm still using 25-year old Alesis QS synthesizers that can stack up to 64 tones under one key and import (although painfully slow) custom samples for new content...Synth manufacturers seem to be most interested in selling you trash for a quick buck, with the notable exception of the Sequential Prophet X
@abominablemusic
@abominablemusic 2 года назад
things go in cycles, and we're in a sort of nostalgic 'analog is best' period at the moment. I think a mix of both is digital and analog (if you have the gear) is good and interesting. Great times to be making music indeed...
@ericfricke4512
@ericfricke4512 2 года назад
It all just depends on what appeals to you as an artist.
@pjdahmen
@pjdahmen 11 месяцев назад
Great tutorial!
@IronandWire
@IronandWire 2 месяца назад
I picked up a mint condition Blofeld last month for $350. It's a beast and has radically changed my musical experience. I'm so impressed with your mastery of the programming. I've been thrilled with the onboard tones but now you've expanded my horizon to infinity. TY
@corduroyinstitute
@corduroyinstitute Год назад
Perhaps the best part of the Blofeld is the SL upgrade. Being able to add your own samples and run them through that architecture delivers tones with a character than can't be matched by either modern software or older hardware.
@NealCaen
@NealCaen Год назад
any idea where i can get high quality samples that emulate vintage synths?
@user82938
@user82938 Год назад
I find it odd that there aren't really any videos on RU-vid demonstrating this feature.
@SongOfItself
@SongOfItself 2 года назад
So... would it be at all feasible to do a tutorial on layering sounds? I started this journey a year ago, got a ton of synths, presets and all that (including Analog Mutations, thank you very much :-) ) and took a dive. Trying to learn sound design, I would spend hours randomly browsing, mixing and matching wavetables, with mixed effects,. Eventually I realized I could get much more convincing results if I used the same wavetable in 3 different ways, rather than using 3 different wavetables for the layers. Then the layers would be distinct, but still consistent, complementing each other. If not that, then I'd pick different wavetables from the same set, as they will usually share some qualities, e.g. they might be sourced from the same synth. But when picking from among hundreds of wavetables at random, it's easy to create lots of awesome weirdness, but not necessarily anything actually usable or listenable. Do you have any tips or guidelines for layering sounds?
@liviou2004
@liviou2004 Год назад
Hello. I've just bought a second hand Blofeld. It's great. Perhaps, you've got this information : there is a noise parameter called "Noise Color". I would want to modulate it in the modulation matrix with some modulator (enveloppes, LFO and so on), but I don't find this parameter in the destination list. Do you know how to do that ? Thank a lot. Fred
@zookeeper2103
@zookeeper2103 2 года назад
I agree. The results and possibilities are much more important than any "analog" purity for me. I am looking forward to synth and plugin makers to move beyond replicating the past analog glory and find out how to completely flip the script using new tech.
@martiansonmaui1749
@martiansonmaui1749 2 года назад
Thanks for posting. I had one of these a few years ago. Great synth in theory, but extremely glitchy, (that is, unreliable for a live gig). And in the studio, every time I tried loading the librarian, Sibelius would open instead. Sadly, it was more trouble than it was worth.
@synthcrazymtl414
@synthcrazymtl414 2 года назад
You're absolutely right Cameron! It was a staple in the late 80s, all of the 90s. The fact that synths were multitimbrals made them all so powerful. Don't know why they won't do it nowadays, even with the "analog" craze... Hey, even sequential did it with a few of their analog synths back then! I own a Sequential Six Trak, which was a completely "analog" synth, with only 6 voices of polyphony, but has the ability of stacking up to 6 voices, or even play up to 6 different patches over midi! So.... No excuse for all today's synth manufacturers not to do it. They're so focused on making it the same as, but better sounding, synths of yesteryear recreation, that they forget this tiny detail. Keep up the good work! Still looooove my Blofeld keyboard so much .... What an incredible machine. Would love to have a quantum, but out of my reach money wise hehe...
@ptkelly80
@ptkelly80 2 года назад
The Wavestate, despite its more advanced engine, is only 4-part multitimbral, compared to the Wavestation’s 16 parts. That’s unforgivable to me.
@terrys101
@terrys101 2 года назад
When I bought my Blofeld desktop, it was around the same time I bought a Korg Radias. The Radias is four part multi timbral, and coupled with the onboard step sequencers, dual filters....and effects, it's a beast. But I digress...I loved the Blofeld so much, I bought the keyboard version within a few months 🤷🏻‍♂️
@stasostrikov1439
@stasostrikov1439 Год назад
thank you, great review!
@mr_floydst
@mr_floydst 2 года назад
Listened to your introduction and immediately subscribed. You are so very right in all the points you make. The whole tech has been stagnant for the last 2 decades or so. Though, now that I think about it thoroughly, there are some "can do it all" instruments on the market (MPC, the Jupiter Xm, and more) - it just happens that people _really_ buy the "analog is betturrrr" mantra. "Hey, look at this 5 voice poly box that can do sounds from the 70s! It's only $2000". ;-)
@fantastic_n0b
@fantastic_n0b Год назад
Why my Blofeld's knobs are fucked up and how can i fix it? they just don't follow when you twist'em
@TheBoyCalledHedge
@TheBoyCalledHedge 2 года назад
Well said. Multi-timbrality was the first thing for me to buy a Sixtrack and later the K1 (a cheap 80s wavetable synth), which I own until now. And also my very old other HW-synths, like the D-110 and the even older MT32 sound really better just with this 😄.
@steviemac2000
@steviemac2000 2 года назад
Nostalgia is such a big part of it. People craved those big knob twiddlin' beasts in their youth but couldn't afford them, and now they are older, there are pretty faithful recreations of them that they can. I'm trying to cover my bases my having a Behringer Cat, Neutron and Crave on on hand, and a Roland D-110 and JV-2080 on the other :-)
@freestate6200
@freestate6200 2 года назад
What you prefer to use the D110 for vs the JV2080?
@steviemac2000
@steviemac2000 2 года назад
@@freestate6200 the D-110 is obviously more dated but it has some nice FM-style electric pianos if you need that '80s vibe. And of course it is a whopping 9-part multitimbral (8 instruments + drums) Actually that's maybe a good point on why it's not as prevalent anymore, the complexity! Trying to program several different timbres on the D-110's tiny screen is not fun
@Mattieval
@Mattieval 2 года назад
The Waldorf Kyra seemed to not make much of an impact, but doesn't that have a lot of multi-timbral functionality?
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
The price of it, is quite high, though. higher than the developer expected it to be at, before he sold the design to waldorf, and even the price before seemed to be a lot for what it offers in terms of unique capabilities. The reason that multi-timbrality was all the rage in the 90s and early 00s, was that multiple instruments and audio tracks in the daw was expensive, and with midi, one could have a single external unit make the sounds, but that wasn't really about layering even. The Kyra might make sense for someone that want a dawless set-up, but personally I don't get the dawless concept. Because you still need a sequencer and for the most part, DAW is simply easier to use. And some of the "dawless" hardware is actually, a computer, running a form of a DAW, just that it doesn't look like a computer.
@davidnollmusic363
@davidnollmusic363 2 года назад
Beautiful!
@jujxuellop5952
@jujxuellop5952 2 года назад
Tetr4 from DSI is quite a nice example of what an analog multitimbral portable synth could be!
@JuanAMatos-zx4ub
@JuanAMatos-zx4ub 2 года назад
I still dream of a Tetra with the workflow of the P12 module
@laserquant
@laserquant 6 месяцев назад
Holly molly, I used the multitimbral feature in 2015, but I completely forgot about this. Thank you for reminding me. I just did it again. Very nice.
@Fluxwithit
@Fluxwithit 2 года назад
I watched this and actually wrote an absurdly long reply which I have since decided isn't a good fit for a comment here... maybe one day I do a video on this lol. bottom line is, just as you have pointed to plugins like diva.... there in is the issue. we don't want sound quality of rebirth, we want sound quality of diva. this takes a ton of DSP processing power. the synth market is VERY niche, so while you might be able to do this sort of thing cost effectively on an ipad, that same processor in a synth would be insanely expensive. I could go into so much more detail but I am biting my tongue lol. nice topic.
@ledheavy26
@ledheavy26 2 года назад
*Palpatine voice* "Do it!"
@jantuitman
@jantuitman 2 года назад
You are making me very curious why an iPad processor would be expensive in a synth since they are already made and could just be reused. In fact, I mentioned elsewhere in the comments that the Korg Wavestate is a good modern take on a budget multitimbral synth and now that I think about it: Korg did exactly this. Because although the outside of the WS is lots of knobs and buttons, the inside is a raspberry pi board, so the synth runs on an affordable mass produced computer processor.
@Fluxwithit
@Fluxwithit 2 года назад
@@jantuitman korg used a raspberry pi. Not at all the same as an iPad processor but certainly moving in that direction. It also illustrates part of the reason why it would not be cost effective to have something like an m1 chip in a synth. Economics of scale. In addition to that level of chipset being quite expensive to produce to begin with, you have to remember that the cost to the manufacturer does not equal the cost to the customer. Generally due to the size of the market and many other factors this increases the cost to the user greatly. There are draw backs to using an existing platform such as a pi , but there are also advantages.
@jantuitman
@jantuitman 2 года назад
@@Fluxwithit yes, an M1 in a synth would definitely be too expensive. But something like a raspberry pi is very doable, even for boutique synths, though it is easier for a large brand like Korg. And the good news is, iPads of a couple years old are quite impressive software platforms for audio, so a newer raspberry pi model or comparable board can definitely make viable synths. That a boutique company can also pull it off to sell a mid priced synth based on such a platform, is proven by the existence of devices like for example Critter and Guitari Organelle. So, the question left is, why are not more manufacturers doing this, and are most midi based synths so much the same, emphasizing analog above everything else? I think maybe the development of the more interesting synth paradigms has moved to eurorack land. Which is a sad thing because not everybody wants to spend that much money on it and also not everybody wants to deal with the mess of having to replug dozens of cables to change a patch.
@Fluxwithit
@Fluxwithit 2 года назад
@@jantuitman again, there are draw backs to using such a platform as well. You still need to develop a custom I/O board, your devs are limited by the platform IN Other areas as well. Not having complete control of your platform can be a hinderance. Let alone licensing etc. as I said I think this is the direction you will start seeing adopted as time moves on by other companies …but it’s not a perfect solution.
@paultorbert6929
@paultorbert6929 2 года назад
I use sequencers. I NEED multitimbral synths. I HAVE a Blofeld...... 😊 It can do lots !!!!, dub techno chords, rad basses, killer pads/atmospheric, etc........dont bother with drum sounds, as it's 1 midi channel Per Voice (which is weird, normally complete sets occupy ch10)..... But, sticking to multis is HEAVEN. I stack/layer basses or pads or arps
@nnervecenter
@nnervecenter 2 года назад
You can set the multi up to have all your drum sounds on channel 10, each on a different note
@paultorbert6929
@paultorbert6929 2 года назад
@@nnervecenter then I need to re-read on that.... THAT would be a GIANT plus !!!! Can you point me in that direction for a good “head start” ??? I bought the Blofeld to replace my Venom....
@nnervecenter
@nnervecenter 2 года назад
@@paultorbert6929 there’s a moment in this video where a second patch in the multi is also set to channel 1. So you can do that for say, four patches kick snare hihat tom - but all set to 10. Then there’s a screen with multi to set the key range for each - you adjust thatx4 so that there’s just one note per voice and no overlap between them. You might actially want a range for the tom so that it can play different pitches. Once that’s done you may want to transpose individual sounds because the pitch they’re playing at on their assigned notes isn’t ideal. There’s a screen for that too in the multi settings if I recall. Don’t have Blofeld with me now. Hope that’s of use!
@nnervecenter
@nnervecenter 2 года назад
@@paultorbert6929 also you can import drum samples ready - mapped to certain notes. That way you can build a complete kit and have it occupy not just only one patch but just one ‘oscillator’ if you like
@paultorbert6929
@paultorbert6929 2 года назад
@@nnervecenter oh dang....... this could be a Game Changing moment !!!!!!!!!!!! I CANNOT SAY THANK YOU enough !!!!!!!
@midialchemy
@midialchemy Год назад
I completely agree with you, I'm using the Sledge 2.5 Black, and even though it's only layers two sounds, you can trigger a note or a cord holding sustain and change patches and the previous sound sustaining. Give it a try if you haven't yet. It gives real-time control to the Blofelds cousin.
@keudj
@keudj 2 года назад
Nice use of the multi mode. And you're right that's not something so common on digital synth.
@NateHorn
@NateHorn 2 года назад
Totally agree - I've been exploring multitimbral options, trialing a Micro Monsta 2 from Audio Thingies and more recently picking up an Access Virus C - 32 voices that can be spread over 16 (!) parts, and just as important (and something the Blofeld lacks), 3 seperate stereo outs.
@ryancole7371
@ryancole7371 2 года назад
The Novation Nova is great for this. It's also got 6 outputs, so you can route it into a mixer like it's 3 different stereo synths, or 6 different mono ones!
@ptkelly80
@ptkelly80 2 года назад
The Integra-7 has 8 outputs! 😀
@TheSshadow7
@TheSshadow7 2 года назад
I think the obsession with analog has to do with the culture of synths and its evolution over the past 20ish years. When computer and digital synths were first coming out, they sounded...digital. Like your smooth coffee, analog synths and mixers sounded smoother. Digital could sound harsh. Hence, the analog obsession. Since then, companies have gotten so good at making synths and effects that the harshness is gone. But, the culture of thinking that analog is better has persisted. This is all my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.
@SyntheticFuture
@SyntheticFuture 2 года назад
It's a few "audiophiles" that keep claiming there's a noticeable difference and for some reason people are full sheep mode and blindly follow those few people. It's rather pathetic.
@2112jonr
@2112jonr 2 года назад
Yep, the few were proven wrong when 19 out of 20 were fooled by a Novation Peak, which the snobs class as digital. They could not tell the difference between it and a much more expensive analogue synth. Proves the point. Next time you find one online, ask them to submit to a blind test and see them back off and make their excuses. It's just analogue buyers defensively justifying their massive investment in analog gear, they know damned well it's not a logical statement they make and now we've proven it.
@Momentvm
@Momentvm 2 года назад
@@SyntheticFuture These "audiophiles" or rather "audiof00ls" tend to be very adamant about things they think they hear. You know, if you hear things that don't exist, it's called schizophrenia and you really gotta see a doctor :P
@SyntheticFuture
@SyntheticFuture 2 года назад
@@2112jonr honestly that's an even worse ratio than wine snobs 😂 At least those are right 50% of the time 😂
@philmarsh5593
@philmarsh5593 2 года назад
I think you said it yourself though - the fashion now is "analogue" or whatever - but a few years ago it was for workstations that layered and layered and offered the world, etc etc. "What stuff sells at the moment?". No doubt things will cycle.
@MyAlteredSoul
@MyAlteredSoul 2 года назад
Multi Timbre is what made me fall in love with the Kiev Radias. Manufacturers could go further and throw serum in a box, but for some reason are scared to dive into the digital or even software driven sound in a hardware format.
@atomicasounds
@atomicasounds 2 года назад
I totally agree with your frustrations. Surely if we compare the price and performance of DSP from the 90's compared to now, you would assume you would get far more packed into a VA synth nowadays. Possibly 32 parts Multitimbral and 3 filters, 5 LFOS, 5 OSC etc. I wonder if the extra DSP is now utilised to focus on quality of sound above all else. I know early VA's had more noticeable aliasing/stepping on the filters. But then I have a Nord Lead 1 and a Novation KS4 that still sound phenomenal even now, and as you have mentioned also provide multiple parts. I love my Cobalt8/Argon8/System8 and Hydrasynth also, but sometimes I wonder why they are limited to only 8 voice polyphony. My Virus TI2 has 110 voice polyphony and that is 10 years old. There must be a reason? Maybe it's because back then people used to only use their DAW to sequence and then route everything through an analog mixing desk and record to DAT, (hence the need for multitimbral synths with seperate outs whereas now manufacturers think that we can just record different parts to the DAW.
@drtitus
@drtitus 2 года назад
It's the marketing of analog that holds the multi-timbral back. When I was growing up, I insisted on multitimbral (because if I was going to go broke buying a synth, I wanted multiple voices!). Multi-timbral is much harder to "manage" the voicing with analog synths properly, otherwise previous "long running" patches start to get messed up with new parameters coming in for the next voice. Scaling up to many more analog voices is prohibitively expensive compared to software, which is why many modern synths are the bare minimum monotimbral analogue. I've kept my Virus TI (Snow), and microKorg, both of which are gems in their own right.
@srcodling
@srcodling 2 года назад
UNIFY... When Unify first came out I thought, "Who needs this?" because it is POSSIBLE to do it in DAWs, but the WAY Unify does it is SO GOOD for workflow and makes this layering work so well. I know it doesn't really work for hardware synths, but as far as that goes I think it's been overlooked there is because everyone has multiple synths, and nobody is using an Emu Proteus to do 8 different sounds in a song anymore... Oh, and yes, Chemex is great :-)
@wavesequencer
@wavesequencer 2 года назад
As far as coffee making recommendations go, my favorite is the Bialetti moka express.
@charlescowper
@charlescowper 2 года назад
THanks for the video. What are your thoughts on the Kyra?
@keplerfinn
@keplerfinn 3 месяца назад
*Another Blofeld love letter* Blofeld: _casually fucks up patch_
@docjoesweeney
@docjoesweeney 2 года назад
Thanks for this. I've been experimenting with using Bitwig's grid to create multitambiral, multi-section instrument, driving that all with ocellators and using the NDLR as the controller. I also love, love, love, love Voltage Modular for similar reasons But of late, I've been wondering if I should look for a could of nice desktop synths to expand my horizons, but unable to find ones that would give me the lush flexibility of the "roll your own" softsynths. So this video was spot on. I did a quick process check and the Blofeld looks life terrific value for money. Are the other synths ptions you'd recommend for a budding sound scape enthusiast?
@juergen_b
@juergen_b 11 месяцев назад
This video made me get one!
@vainsacrosanct2014
@vainsacrosanct2014 2 года назад
Well, I think Korg is kinda stepping up their game with their latest line of synths like the Wavestate and Modwave bringing back the interesting format of wave synthesis. It has been abandoned for a while and I am happy that at least some manufacturers are noticing the gap it can fill in ones studio. Great video btw 👌 I found this one really interesting.
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 года назад
They are just regular subtractive synths with a sequencing gimmick thrown in.
@incaroads001
@incaroads001 2 года назад
When I first got my Circuit Tracks I wrote to Novation hoping that they were, perhaps, going to develop a synth module that would replicate and supplement the two synth channels of their onboard synth for use with the Tracks. They wrote me back that they were not really thinking about this, which bummed me out. Then I found the Blofeld and I no longer cared what Novation did or did not do. (BTW Novation has not done a firmware upgrade in months). This thing does it all. So between the Circuit Tracks, the Blofeld, a Korg Minilogue XD and NTS-1, I can pretty much get it done. But really all I need is the Blofeld and the Circuit. It's 2021 FFS !!!
@towardstar
@towardstar 2 года назад
im really happy youre making an issue out of this, i feel the same way
@jamesedinger4956
@jamesedinger4956 2 года назад
I think some manufacturers fail to include the multi timbral aspect because they feel they're skating too close to a workstation and are not inclined to go the full mile on that product.
@Yyrrddaadd
@Yyrrddaadd 2 года назад
So i use a Rev 2 and its multitimbral. A lot of people dislike it because its not just another prophet 5. It has some great modulation choices and honestly i love it. Pretty easy to get it to make something beautiful in a small amount of time.
@ozoneau
@ozoneau 2 года назад
Yep. Analog isn't the end word in synthesis, though it has its advantages in creating classic sounds. It is hitting saturation point these days though. As for the lack of modern multi-timbral synths, it means old Viruses, Nords, Waldorfs, Korg's and the like will always have a place in many studios. Regarding the discussed issue here, to my mind the best examples are the Nord Lead 3 & Integra, followed by the Korg Radias & Monomachine, then Nord Lead 2/Virus/Novation Supernova.
@Windiguana
@Windiguana 2 года назад
One reason I'm so enthusiastic about the Hydrasynth Deluxe coming out soon. I don't have space for one, but it actually seems like they are going in the right direction.
@incaroads001
@incaroads001 2 года назад
IMHO they are really only going in the right direction if they also develop a desktop version of this. And they should endeavor to make it smaller... much smaller
@jeandista
@jeandista 2 года назад
Blofeld is one of the best digital synthesizer ever produced. A real MUST HAVE of our times....It's COOL, sounds good, it's not overpriced like 3/4 of the synthesizers on this planet, it packs tons of features for the most demanding sound designers but is loaded with lots of presets for the bread&butter kind of stuff nonetheless.
@mrz80
@mrz80 7 месяцев назад
Concur. Between Cameron and a couple other guys (esp. Florian of Bad Gear, tho he had a rough time with the UI 🙂 ) I was convinced enough part with some gear and scoop up a Blofeld off Reverb.
@MysteriousCastle
@MysteriousCastle Год назад
I love my Blofeld too! Totally agree about the obsession with analogue. The make great sounds, but a lot of the sounds have been done before. I'll be playing wiht my Blofeld this afternoon!
@lokelosk
@lokelosk 2 года назад
I recently bought a Blofeld, in part because of your videos. It really is an awesome synth. Now I'm eyeing the Waldorf M, but it will take some time until I have the funds to spend on something like that...
@m.ericwatson968
@m.ericwatson968 2 года назад
Love the blofeld, yes on the surface it sounds good, not amazing but the multi-timbral trick is great, have a Virus Ti now, great synth of course but missing the sound and control matrix of the blofeld lately, I think it's pretty easy to navigate
@darksiderahb
@darksiderahb 2 года назад
And this is why I love my VirusTI and will likely never sell it. Although Access seems to have abandoned the line forever, it has features, 15 years on, that even current attempts like the Kyra couldn’t get right. It’s 100% digital and it absolutely demolishes some current releases that swear by going after that “analog” brass ring. I also wish every synth has the ability to stream audio over usb to a daw and be used as a plug-in in real time (like the Virus can, until it won’t anymore).
@Syntox
@Syntox 2 года назад
Reason why they're have not depreciated at ALL in value all these years later...
@somtamtim
@somtamtim 2 года назад
Go virus ti, a ti3 would be precisely what would solve all problems. Shame the maker went into guitar amps instead with the technology.
@darksiderahb
@darksiderahb 2 года назад
@@somtamtim Tell me about it.
@MattBeardsley
@MattBeardsley Год назад
Love it. Not the same obvs, but I love layering multiple piano sounds for live playing on Nord…
@JeremiahTrue
@JeremiahTrue 2 года назад
I used to do this with my Access Virus. Moreso to create different synth parts for different channels but sometimes I would gang them together. My "modern" workaround in DAW is using a Combinator in Reason and stacking/mixing synths in there to build big sounds in one playable instrument.
@Viktor-wf9lk
@Viktor-wf9lk 2 года назад
Hey! Did you have a video about Newfangled Elevate, did the plugin take root? And thanks for Your videos!
@VenusTheory
@VenusTheory 2 года назад
No video about it yet, but I might do one at some point! Just a bit of a challenge to make a video about it that's also interesting to watch haha. Super powerful limiter, just a bit dry and technical to really demonstrate.
@Genshi
@Genshi 11 месяцев назад
Yep, I've always said the Blofeld is one of the most underrated synths. All of my Ensoniq synths back in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s were multitimbral, so the Blofeld was a blessing (especially considering it is still available today!) I miss my Blofeld terribly; the only reason I sold it was because I moved into Eurorack for my live performances (previously I was using 8 parts of the Blofeld being sequenced by the Elektron Octatrack... such a powerful performance combination!) and soundwise, I already also have the Waldorf Micro Q, the Waldorf XTk, and the Waldorf Quantum, so got all of those sounds covered. Still, I might want to get a Blofeld again just because it was so convenient for live performances.
@Genshi
@Genshi 11 месяцев назад
Also regarding the whole "Analog vs. Digital" thing, which is such a stupid argument, usually from people new to the synth world; a really good Analog synth is great at being/sounding Analog. A good Digital synth is great at doing all of the things that Analog can't do, e.g. Wavetable synthesis, Physical Modeling, Granular Synthesis, Formant synthesis, Spectral synthesis, etc.
@Genshi
@Genshi 11 месяцев назад
@thegoodbighornowlshepherd405 ok... though I don't know what any of that has to do with my comments but, if you wanted to post an overly verbose dissertation on the relation of human to sound, you could have posted that as its own comment to the video, yes? Otherwise it doesn't address any of my points and it [what you wrote] just looks like the ramblings of a madman.
@sherbetdab1200
@sherbetdab1200 11 месяцев назад
@thegoodbighornowlshepherd405 Maybe it's a left Brian right Brian thing 😉
@Genshi
@Genshi 11 месяцев назад
@thegoodbighornowlshepherd405 fair enough. And I do like your perspective on all of this, hope you didn't take my comment as a jab.
@shivercanada
@shivercanada 10 месяцев назад
I always had the same question I don’t understand why in the 90s keyboards were multitimberal so you could connect to a DAW and playback 16 tracks! Especially now competing with VSTZ’s that do this, it doesn’t make sense for hardware to not do this.
@theovannieuwenhuizen5756
@theovannieuwenhuizen5756 Год назад
First time visitor to your channel. @8.30 ish i knew how this synth got it's name. 😂 Thanks for sharing your experience with this machine.
@AndyFirebladeMuza
@AndyFirebladeMuza Год назад
Ordered a Blofeld and take delivery today purely because of its multi-timbral capability. Been catching up on videos for the Blofeld and came across this one. I have an Hydrasynth Explorer and hate the fact it is not even 2 part Multi-Timbral. Cannot wait to get the Blofeld singing along with my Hydrasynth and Crave, I have a feeling it will be my main go to synth and as much as I love my Hydrasynth, I wish I had purchased the Blofeld before it.
@tonverfall_studio
@tonverfall_studio 2 года назад
Thanks for putting this together. I am a fellow Blofeld fan, and several of my most recent additions to the studio - an Alesis Micron and Kurzweil K2000RS - attest to a shared interest in deep synthesis. That said, I have probably gone the path of many people who want a deeper and more texturally interesting sound palette by buying a lot of mid-range synths fitting in certain niches rather than a few synths with multitimbrality. While I totally agree there's a lack of imagination on the part of most synth manufacturers, I think much of what's out there is driven by consumer demand. I feel like, aside from the Hydrasynth and a number of other manufacturers' $3000+ flagship synths, there's just very little interest in pushing the boundaries because most of the people buying synths are just interested in retreading the 1970-2000 soundscape. I also have this sense that the modular craze has drained away a lot of the interest in innovation. It's basically: oh, you want to do crazy shit? You should get into modular. Call me old fashioned, but I appreciate a well-made instrument, and very little about modular says 'instrument' to me. I also feel that most people do not go deep enough with their gear. The stuff you point out about the Blofeld only becomes apparent after one spends a great deal of time with it. How many people get to the outside edges of what a given piece of gear can do, enough to understand what it will never be able to do? That's how we got a lot of the synth technology we have now - Tangerine Dream and Brian Eno and others sitting down with hardware designers in the '70s and '80s because what was currently available couldn't do a thing they imagined was possible, but could find nothing that would do it. Which artists are pushing those boundaries now?
@TheJonHolstein
@TheJonHolstein 2 года назад
Modular has potential if used right. Most modular makers/demoers, and a lot of users, don't seem to understand the potential. Instead of using it a building blocks, to build a monophonic synth (or a few monophonic synths), with a custom signal path, and all the modulators one might want, with differnt filterts and oscs, depeding on the sound. What they mostly demonstrated as, are blip-blop machines, where it isn't uncommon, that demoers get rhythmic sounds by pushing the module, rather than trigger it (and the vcas of the voice), like one would on a actual synth. Because of the bad demos, though, it can be hard to discover the good modules. Polyphonic synthesis in modular, is way too expensive, unless one buy polyphonic modules, but those don't offer the per voice control, or signal path separation, that made modular interesting in the first place.
@tonverfall_studio
@tonverfall_studio 2 года назад
@@TheJonHolstein My point is not to badmouth modular, but more to say it can end up a form of ghettoization, where synth manufacturers keep endlessly recycling the same feature sets, and anyone who wants to be adventurous gets told to 'try modular'.
@neuromancer9k
@neuromancer9k 2 года назад
I think that a lot of the synth makers have this dilemma of "what cool stuff can we add" vs. "what are people going to buy?." I'm surprised that they aren't reaching out more to customers at trade shows.....or even their own YT channels. And yes, as Cameron points out, there's something to be said about a good analog synth. And for people who started on them, I think that they've been married to the idea/sound of Analog for so long, it's hard to get divorced from them. Cheers, Mr. Cameron!
@sonnyhancock
@sonnyhancock 2 года назад
I've preached the superpower of multi-mode and patch stacking.
@alfatone8718
@alfatone8718 Год назад
Vital has the option of using resynthesis sound the we created and use as a wave table for oscilators.
@KozmykJ
@KozmykJ 2 года назад
Agreed. Metered drip feed of instrument features applied to a rotating roadmap. 'Buzz word, buzz word' feature gets pushed for a while then when the sales responses to that fade, insert new 'buzz word' feature. Sprinkle in the occasional Actual New feature then recycle and re-package the old stuff.
@NaviRetlav
@NaviRetlav 2 года назад
Hey. I also believe that technically digital DSP can be as good as "analog" or even better, and that the "analog" term is overused in the marketing of some of the VST plugins. Hoover there is a serious case when analog vs digital makes a serious difference. Both analog and digital domain have some downfalls, I don't mind if a hardware synth or FX pedal is digital, but I do mind a lot when it's digital in a "bad way". For example there are synths and fx pedals that can digitally clip, operate on low sample rate, produce unwanted nyquist related issues, reduce the dynamic range or affect the detail (usually in the topend and transients ) of the sound. In most cases with digital DSP based hardware the main issue is not the OSC, but the weak D/A converter or output amp, and the similar issue can be found with A/D and D/A conversion in cheap FX guitar pedals. In my "sound design rules book " there is no good or bad sound design process or effect, but in this case when I'm aiming for the most crisp and detailed sound with sharp transients, I would recommend staying away from the "digital synths and effects" unless you are absoluty sure that the product you are using has high quality DSP, A/D, D/A and AMP chip. With pure analog hardware products, it's less common to have a bad sound since the prices of analog gear are usually higher than their digital counterparts, and the analog hardware developers are paying more attention to the quality of their hardware to justify the higher price. Hopefully that helps you to understood why it still makes sense to prefer analog gear for some use cases.
@RTCLR123
@RTCLR123 2 года назад
Bro, it is a minefield on this youtube, the best stuff i learned was while reading between the lines listening to mixers like Bob Powers, Joshua Jaycen, guys who are spitting fast without thinking about what their sponsors will say... When they stop in the middle of the sentence to think about politics, you are already in the wrong direction. There must be a decision within, am i going all in or am i a hobby musician? Also, am i capable of figuring all by myself coz my technicality or am i full of ideas but i need someone else to cover other areas. Anyway - It is refreshing to read your comment. gg
@rohanwalker2404
@rohanwalker2404 2 года назад
analogue is a catch word, and will be used as a sales pitch for the rest of eternity. What you are basically saying is that additive synthesis and layering is something that should be examined more closely and offered in a physical domain. I agree thoroughly, but a lot of people would find this approach complicated, just a quick look at the creation of sound on a synclavier using PCM in comparison to a moog or roland module. presonus StudioOne can layer different VSTs beside, or on top of each other now. This approach certainly answers your question, but only in the digital domain, again NOT with a "physical" approach. I love your question and am happy that you asked it.
@imaflymydroneatit
@imaflymydroneatit 4 месяца назад
Im in the market for my first hardware synth and multi timbral is kind of a must. Is there anything else multi timbral around the price of the Blofeld?
@MrSpasticdancer
@MrSpasticdancer 2 года назад
i wish synth companies experimented more with new and novel synthesis methods. cos software synths are way ahead in that regard, with synths like chromaphone, razor, unfiltered audio lion etc.
@fjdubya5726
@fjdubya5726 2 года назад
FM synthesis always seems to find some new dimension to survive in, giving it a whole new identity every few years. Next to certain lush, fat analog synths I just about favor FM over anything else. I think one of the most awesome trends of the past 30+ years is the SY-series from Yamaha featuring "convolution synthesis": Samples modulated and mixed with 6-operator FM. To me it doesn't get much better than that. I have an SY99 and I've come to believe that synth can do just about anything. Only it's contemporary, Kurzweil's K-series VAST engine, could do the same or better. I am still blown away by those two synths after all these years.
@totallypixelated
@totallypixelated 2 года назад
Multi timbral synths have been somewhat replaced by having instances of plugins since the Blofeld maybe? I enjoyed watching you build patches from init. The multis were a lot of sound from one small box.
@kmdaykin
@kmdaykin 2 года назад
I agree, I bought a deepmind12 because I kept reading that analogue oscillators are god tier. While it sounds beautiful on its own I ended up selling it because dune3 and absynth let me do more with less menu diving.
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