Why Cersei & Jaime's Relationship Was So Messed Up In the Books 😳

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Did you know in the books Cersei is only 33 years old and thinks of herself as a second Tywin? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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@Talvi_Sota Год назад

Tyrion roasted her more then daenerys dragons ever could

@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Год назад

dude gotta ask what is the name of the music playing in these shorts ?

@Talvi_Sota Год назад

@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 I'd live to know that too. Sadly, I have no clue. Think you have to ask the creator of the video

@katarinatibai8396 Год назад

😂😂😂

@Talvi_Sota Год назад

@@AussBosss 🤨

@Talvi_Sota Год назад

@@AussBosss eh, ok

@hayley10510 Год назад

In the books, it more so comes across that Cercei sleeps with Jaime because of narcissism, but that Jaime actually loves Cercei.

@greenman6141 Год назад

WEll, HIS conception of what love is. Which is very weird. For the most part they both hate everyone in the world. Jaime seems pretty clueless about what love is, and even more clueless about what Cersei actually thinks about him and feels for him. He assumes that she has never been interested in anyone else. He has zero understanding that she was furious that she couldn't marry Raegar, and it was only out of that anger that she told him to go into the kingsguard. He accepts the position, making Tywin furious, then finds out the mad King won't let him do anythng, but is just keeping him as a hostage. THEN when he kills that king, Cersie does marry the next king..so Jaime now has a life of listening to the king have sex w/Cersie or other women. His whole life has been trashed because of her anger at being passed over by Raegar. Though this might well have been the mad king's decision...it was a good one. Elia seems to have been a nice person. Jaime is remarkably stupid for someone in his mid 30s.

@tptomlin Год назад

Very true

@connaeris8230 Год назад

@@greenman6141well, he was stupid, but he realizes how manipulative and selfish Cersei is during the course of the books and breaks free from her influence. And to be fair, he doesn't really know how a good relationship is, since his mother died and Aerys was so horrible towards Rhaella.

@CrackaPackify Год назад

Very well summarised!

@R_Euphrates Год назад

@greenman6141 "remarkably stupid for someone in his mid-30s" just hits too close to home, man

@misabelrodriguez1163 Год назад

In the books Cersei's narcissism reslly shows when she only ever refers to Jaime as "her shadow, her other half, you are me and I am you, etc. It shows that she doesnt see him as an individual person but only a narcissistic extension of herself. And she was always insulting him about loosing his hand.

@7PlayingWithFire7 Год назад

Yeah cause him losing the one thing he was excellent at feels like a slight towards her. She's mad that he lost his had.

@misabelrodriguez1163 Год назад

@@7PlayingWithFire7 I don't think she's mad at losing his hand, more because he is starting to distance himself from her and not doing what she says like he usually does. She rationalized that when he lost his hand, he lost his courage which is why his not her obedient dog anymore. Its also an opportunity to hurt him when he displeases her, his lost hand is an easy target, and knowing it stings him

@snatchadams69 8 месяцев назад

Because her favorite fingers were attached to that hand...

@misabelrodriguez1163 8 месяцев назад

@@snatchadams69 🤣🤣

@MURPHYCHACHO Год назад

Cersei only loves people as much as she can see them as extensions of herself. She bangs Jaime because she sees him as a male version of her. Even her children are seen as mere extensions of her and a way for her to wield power through them. Which is why when any of them go off-script and start acting like healthier and more independent people, she gets pissed and sees it as a betrayal.

@abhishankpaul Год назад

So basically you say Cersei "m@$turbat€d" with Jaime (her other half)

@trence5 Год назад

That explains it.

@egertroos-qh7hw Год назад

I think she would have banged her own sons for power

@nqabayomuzikhulilekamangwe2690 Год назад

@@abhishankpaul😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@benmichael4265 Год назад

Unfortunately there are a lot of parents who are like that. Their so-called 'Love' for their children is self-centered bcoz they view them as mini-versions of themselves or as property they can control. And as soon as their offspring oppose them when they are clearly in the wrong they strike back furiously.

@benderthepirate Год назад

I remember when reading “Storm of Swords” when Jaime changes up his appearance, his thoughts state that Cersei won’t be happy with it because he doesn’t he doesn’t look like her anymore.

@tanman49 Год назад

Lol true, he cut all his golden hair and with the missing hand. Also when Catelyn stark spoke to him in the dungeons of riverun she said, even in chains, dirty clothing and not being allowed to shave, you can still see and sense the power of the man! Have there ever been a man so beautiful with his face so much like the queen’s. He gets the same compliments as cersi being the most beautiful. But I laughed at lady stark’s comment and said I guess she never met rhaegar. He was way more beautiful than Jamie even cersi said he made Jamie look like a nobody. She always wants the best. But with the dragon prince death, I guess Jamie got the title of prettiest man in the 7 kingdoms.

@summerglace3294 Год назад

Another portion of “A storm of swords.” Regarding Cersei and Jamie’s relationship is you see a lot more into how Cersei treats Jamie. Like when Jamie first returns to kings landing and meets Cersei in the sept, in Jamie’s internal monologue he says how whenever he wanted affection etc he would always have to make the move, “She would give, but I would have to ask.” Or something similar to that. It’s a power trip, to say that Jamie’s always the one who wants something from Cersei not the other way around, it shows the power dynamic in their relationship is always in Cersei’s favour. Also after they have sex in the sept, Cersei immediately wants to be let up and continue like nothing happened, which also makes Jamie feel conflicted. It just shows that Cersei basically just uses Jamie to fulfil her needs and always has control and power in their relationship. He’s just an extension of herself in her eyes. That’s why I’d say Cersei is Narcissistic and Jamie is more a victim of Narcissism.

@CatotheE Год назад

@@tanman49 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Arianne thinks Targaryens look creepy and the men that are attractive tend to be very feminine looking.

@NANINANI-cs6rn 9 месяцев назад

@@CatotheE true, tysha for exemple she loved tyrion, and tyrion searching for her not because she's the prettiest but because of her character, beside cersei compared rheagar with jaime when he only was 16 now he's better looking than the past

@dianoska 4 месяца назад

@@tanman49if he was prettier, why did they cast an ugly actor for him? 😔

@joseMartinez Год назад

I bet one day tywin accidentally took cersei with him thinking she was Jaimie and she loved being treated as the male heir to the rock

@ethanwoods1775 Год назад

I think so to. Considering how often it’s mentioned and how she can tell the difference between what it like to be male and female so distinctively like she had both experiences.

@analauramorelrocha2383 Год назад

Jaime too! He probally have a idea of the different ways a girl and a boy are treated. Imagine little Jaime having sewing and singing lessons, begin taught how to be a perfect lady, I bet he could put it off if he really wanted.

@analauramorelrocha2383 Год назад

@@ethanwoods1775.

@thedreamscripter4002 Год назад

@@analauramorelrocha2383Eh... Kinda no, we don't see a single evidence of that in Jaime's character or behaviour.

@7PlayingWithFire7 Год назад

@@thedreamscripter4002but we do know for a fact that they would swap places for a day

@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Год назад

Tyrion always tried to tell cersei the truth but she never listened.

@wisdomgozieimade1083 Год назад

Tyrion may look like a monster on the outside but Cersei is a monster on the inside

@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Год назад

@@wisdomgozieimade1083 well there's a very high possibility that she is the daughter of Mad King. She gets off from watching people burn in wildfire...... Targaryen traits be running deep in her.

@Bigmojojo Год назад

@@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341no there isnt because then Jaime would also be his child as well. And Tywin loved his wife too much that he would have probably rebelled against the Mad King if this were true. Or at the very least had his wife and the children killed

@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Год назад

@@Bigmojojo Tywin's wife pleaded with Mad King's wife to be sent back to Rock out of the blue one day, she was raped by Mad King. Tywin wasn't an idiot, to him the Lannister house meant more than his instant gratification. Tywin waited for an opportunity to wipe out House Targaryen and he did his best to achieve it. He ordered Gregor to rape Elia, you ever wondered why? Killing Elia and her children meant inviting a war with Dorne, Tywin ordered the kids murdered regardless.

@MrBrachiatingApe 8 месяцев назад

Book Tyrion is pretty monstrous inside, too. The main difference is that he may not be irredeemable yet. As for Aerys forcing himself on Joanna, that's hinted at but neither stated nor proven... And anyway, wasn't the timing such that it would have been Tyrion who was half Targaryen, especially with the occasional hints about his appearance? The varicolored eyes, the white-blond hair... As opposed to the golden blond his entire family sports. Plus the Targ propensity for deformed babies (giving Tyrion purple or sapphire eyes would have been too obvious; ditto scales or a nub tail...) But Cersei and Jaime look completely Lamnister in every way.

@ryguyk9375 Год назад

Honestly though Cersei wanted to be a Targaryen so bad.

@lgt_jne Год назад

😂😂😂😂

@lgt_jne Год назад

So True 😂😂😂

@vicentereyes4608 Год назад

No quería ser un targaryen, quería casarse con uno, estaba orgullosa de ser una lannister de casterly Rock

@lonemotheo1964 Год назад

Tywin too

@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Год назад

@@lonemotheo1964 Tywin was more respected than any Targaryen except for Jaehaerys the blessed. Lannisters were a bigger powerhouse than Targaryens during Mad King's reign.

@nivedkoladimootheri278 Год назад

Also, in the books Cercei is obsessed with Tywin's approval. (Eg, when they discovered Tywins body, they called Cersei. She was stunned ti see Shae and wanted the body taken away and disposed off. Once removed from her sight, Cersei now convinces herself that the body was placed here to insult tywin. She refuses to believe that Tywin slept with Shae and is so convinced thst Tywin only ever slept with her Mother and since Joanna died, Tywin has no woman in his life but her. By the time Cersei leaves the room, she has deluded herself into thinking thst Tywin was found in the Bedroom (not restroom) and that he was alone in his bed when found. Anyone who speals otherwise is a trator and will be killed.... She is contantly in an internal tug of war with herself. Half her mind wants to weep and cry and beg her father to return. The other is scoffing at him. One side glorifies her father as the greatest lord ever while her other half of the mind scorns him and tells that she will be far greater than his pathetic attempts.... Once Tywin dies, she slowly begins to lose it completely......

@ACinemafanatic Год назад

And people say dany is going crazy when Cersei is obviously losing it as time goes on and with paranoia steeping in with her wanting the people dead after the walk of shame. Heck even Jamie notic3d her reaction to the wildfire burning people and her reacting made him think of aerys

@sonofjack6286 Год назад

@@ACinemafanaticAm I the only one that thinks Jaime might've gotten a bit of PTSD from having to live around Aerys and dealing with his bullshit.

@Ragnarra Год назад

In retrospect she was already insane she just kept denying it. Narcissistic people always blame others for everything they do never taking accountability because they have no idea how to deal with it and shame. In truth they aren’t considered legitimate threats in the human mind because narcissists aren’t immediately perceived as such. And if you walk away you’ll see they were nothing but little worm squirming around in the dirt.

@7PlayingWithFire7 Год назад

@@sonofjack6286 probably, but it doesn't come across, unlike with theon

@nelsonnottveit5395 Год назад

English bro

@silencieux4464 Год назад

Lena Headey did such a marvelous job of bringing Cersei alive over the screen . And she looked so beautiful doing that .

@alexsanderdaccosta34 7 месяцев назад

Never liked her version, maybe in the first 3 season

@niraxlevi9930 2 месяца назад

@@alexsanderdaccosta34you're tripping

@jotfohm4644 24 дня назад

Lena is old and not even half as good looking as Cersei should have been. Marvelous acting, yes. But still misses a lot of the character. Same with Michelle Fairly.

@RaulGalhardi 12 дней назад

Lena is a terrible actress and not beautiful at all.

@juliettez.4179 Год назад

It’s like when in a Clash of kings, tyrion says to her “ i never understood what he saw in you, apart from his own reflection”

@ethannorling5705 Год назад

if encyclopedias had pictures in them, then the sigil of House Lannister would be right under the word narcissism

@thalmoragent9344 Год назад

Well, they're a "prideful" bunch of Rich Lions so 😅

@Boaz833 Год назад

*Dictionary

@ltlredhen4177 Год назад

Tywin isn't quite a narcissist. He's an asshole to Tyrion, but he isn't stupid and self-absorbed like Cersei and Jaime. Tywin is an actual mastermind and tactical genius. He considers both his gains and his allies gains, as well as the welfare of his people. He doesn't have love for them, that probably would have been his wife's department, but he couldn't be king of a dying people as Cersei is happy to be.

@nellieshoals Год назад

@@ltlredhen4177He's wise in ways but that doesn't negate his narcissism. He still cares very much about status and his intellectual pursuits and ability to nurture intellect in some could still be read as narcissism.

@ethanwoods1775 Год назад

@@nellieshoals I don’t think cultivating yourself is narcissistic at all, in fact it’s the opposite narcissistic people are like Cersie who think she amazing and perfect and the best there is. Going out of your comfort zone and choosing growth is a trait that describes some that intelligent and that knows there faults. He mean to is dwarf son for a lot of reasons. Number one he killed the persons he loved the most and number two is he’s hideous and a walking humiliation and also acts horribly and disobediently by drinking and whoring. Tywin most narcissistic trait is fueled I think by his own insecurity. He feels like he hasn’t done enough and he wants to leave a legacy but the world just throws stuff at him constantly like his idiot weak willed father, his rock and wife dieing, his King hating him for being good at his job, his king going insane. All his kids being total degenerates.He just wants a break I think so he can leave behind something that lasts because where ever he’s at he has to patch the holes of a sinking ship.

@elyastoohey6621 Год назад

Jaime loves/loved cersei. Jaime is actually a really simple character for 90% of the story. Just a dude head over heels with ow inhibition. Cersei on the other hand just loves herself. She saw herself in jaime. But she was willing to give u jame for Rhaegar's looks, princely/royal status and targaryen prestige. Until cersei abandoned him, Jaime was willing to do just about anything for cersei. Also cersei was basically begging jaime to throw bran from the window, "he saw us.... He saw US!!" "I heard you the first time" She then later covers herself by scolding jaime for doing it, saying she could have frightened bran. She's lying. She wanted Jaime to do it, she just didn't want to have to say it or acknowledge it.

@ashesofhopesinabonfireofdr6341 Год назад

Tyrion's mouth burns hotter than Balerion's.

@juliie007 Год назад

That’s why they named him the Imp.

@Donagalthegamer Год назад

You should have mentioned from when Jaime frees tyrion, and tyrion tells him that Cersei has been sleeping with the Kettleblacks and Lancel, every Jaime chapter after that he keeps repeating it to himself, the fact that she 'cheated' on him really breaks him apart, until he ignores her pleas for help

@MrLOTZALUV Год назад

Recently rewatched GOT & noticed how well casted the actors of Tomin to look like Cersi, and Marcella to Jamie.

@fazediamond5671 Год назад

What about Joffrey

@anaross7208 Год назад

@@fazediamond5671Great actor, but he was supposed to be a very handsome monster, beautiful even according to the books. So, kinda 50/50 I guess.

@gabrieleblechschmidt6010 Год назад

@@anaross7208Korrekt👍Joffrey war nicht huebsch. Er war nur blond und hatte Minderwertigkeitskomplexe, was ihn so gefaehrlich machte

@AnarexicSumo Год назад

@@gabrieleblechschmidt6010Joffrey was handsome. He had his mom’s eyes and nice curly hair and was tall although Jon notes that he looks like a girl.

@MrLOTZALUV Год назад

@fazediamond5671 tried to not look at him much.

@connaeris8230 Год назад

Jaime didn't love Cersei because she was similar to him. Cersei manipulated him when she realized she couldn't get Rhaegar, and the fact their mother was dead and their father refused to see what was happening, combined with him joining a group of "celibate" men at a young age, never allowed him to realize that it wasn't a healthy relationship.

@cole590 Год назад

iirc, the kings guard wasn't celibate. They were allowed to have sex, they just weren't allowed to marry or father children.

@DoomofOlympus Год назад

Still love King Viserys’ line in House of the Dragon in reference to Jason Lannister: “That man’s pride has pride.”

@twiceasfun9392 Год назад

"Cersei and Jaime's relationship was so messed up *in the books*." 🤨

@MURPHYCHACHO Год назад

Probably would have been better to say "Even more messed up in the books."

@shania991 9 месяцев назад

Yeah because this channel focuses mainly on the wait for it…. Books vs the show

@Nerfherder117 Год назад

Jamie was being manipulated by her the whole time. He believed it was forbidden love, to her it was just self love. She cast him aside as soon as it’s convenient.

@Ereldor 9 месяцев назад

I have to wonder if Martin has each House personify one of the Seven Deadly Sins. The Lannisters, thanks toCersei, seem the most obvious to me, being Envy, one of the Baratheons could easily be Wrath(ours is the fury), the Greyjoys greed (refusing to give up the old ways), the Tyrells gluttony (growing the most food in Westeros), the Martells lust, the Starks sloth (for not moving in time due to their honour), the Arryns pride ("as high as honour") It's just a theory at the moment, but what do others think?

@gaia7240 9 месяцев назад

I think I felt that even not realizing it, they all felt odd in some way

@hexesayuri90 3 месяца назад

Its right, I've had that thought more than once - even though I'd switch the Lannisters and Greyjoys: The Lannisters representing "greed" (Cersei going mad for power and Tywin wishing for his house/name to last and rule for a thousand years) and the Greyjoys being "envy" (Theon envying the Robb and the other Starks for being such charismatic rulers and his father envying the other houses for their power and glory on the mainland, while he sits on his little deserted islands, shunned by the others after the rebellion... even Walder Frey at the twins holds more influence in the beginning 🤷‍♀️

@hexesayuri90 3 месяца назад

Although there're nine great houses, I'd exclude house Targaryen (for obvious reasons) and house Tully (bc their roles in the "Game of Thrones" is not as significant as the others') 🤔

@gemini_moon9689 Месяц назад

It's a good theory ☺️ That thought hit me as well one time and i like the way how you described it ☺️

@dunkbuscusgaming7016 Год назад

Dude Tyrion might be part Dragon cause that burned!

@mermils Год назад

Tyrion, Dracarys

@connaeris8230 Год назад

Actually he might be Aerys's son, so you're right 😂

@dunkbuscusgaming7016 Год назад

@@connaeris8230 Oh damn, I forgot about that theory. But that'd more make him part Targaryen not Part Dragon. But yeah it'd also make sense, a Dragon for Danny, a Dragon for Tyrion, and a Dragon for Jon.

@dragondog9597 Год назад

i hate that theory so much

@dunkbuscusgaming7016 Год назад

@@dragondog9597 Why cause it makes so much sense 😆 🤣

@maarekstele2998 Год назад

And that's why Jamie cut his hair and grew a beard lol

@fenrizragnarok Год назад

"even their father tywin couldn't tell them apart" Kinda evoked the image of 9 yo Jaime and Cersei standing in his study, crossdressed, smirking proudly at each other, as Tywin asserts his dominance by intensely scribbling with his quill and NOT looking up from his desk.

@sonofjack6286 Год назад

Then when he eventually does, he still can't tell the two of them apart after looking at them for five minutes. You know internally he'd be going "Oh Gods, not this shit again."

@mortimermartinez8612 Год назад

Lena Headey that play cersei is 49 years old and god she looks amazing

@OkOk-hx8xt Год назад

She's gorgeous!

@stevenkunkle3857 Год назад

Looks amazing season one or season 8 or years after the completion of the show?

@turtleguyfan Год назад

@@stevenkunkle3857she was 38 when the show premiered

@RaulGalhardi 11 месяцев назад

I never thought that the Cersei actress was beautiful. For the contrary, I think she is almost ugly.

@shanestevens5352 Год назад

Tyrion was absolutely right

@bingobongo1615 Год назад

Yeah but look who is talking… at least season 7 and 8 Tyrion isn’t any smarter or less insane…

@Hello-uk5xp Год назад

@@bingobongo1615Tyrion is way smarter and more sane what you talking about 😂

@RayFog1 Год назад

@@Hello-uk5xpclearly didn’t watch the last seasons lol

@perlundgren7797 Год назад

@@bingobongo1615 Like the intro says, though: "In the books". TV show Tyrion after season 4 isn't very relevant here.

@teamblack204 Год назад

Also funny how Jaime only ever slept with Cersei meanwhile Cersei banged half of the knights, her cousin, her bff and also daydreamed about sleeping with Aurane Wates only because he looks like Rhaegar who she also wanted to marry lol

@youngveteran6368 Год назад

Book Tyrion really knows how to ✨elegantly✨ insult others

@MSGSlayer1 Год назад

I suddenly recall one line of Tyrion's from A Clash of Kings, along the lines of, "I don't know what Jaime sees in you, besides his own reflection."

@kentuckyfriedchicken7359 Год назад

I saw someone say Cersei winning against Ned and Robert was like her using the completely wrong math equation but still get the right answer

@hoked2194 Год назад

She didn't even do much. Littlefinger basically gave her the W because her goals would've plunged the realm into war while Ned represented stability.

@kentuckyfriedchicken7359 Год назад

@@hoked2194 yeah you right, that dude littlefinger sure is an agent of chaos

@alexmiller1800 Год назад

@@kentuckyfriedchicken7359 “Chaos is a ladder.”

@billybaugus1249 Год назад

I got to read the books after i watched show. So thankful i did. Even when the show was great it just can't compare to books. And the Lannister bros are my favorite characters.

@tessdurberville711 Год назад

I did too. When I was finished, I sent a thank you letter to Mr. Benioff and Mr. Weiss. I did not send one to Mr. Martin.

@connaeris8230 Год назад

The Lannister family as a whole is George's masterpiece when it comes to characters. They are all so complex.

@soleil838 Год назад

This is why I think it’s a little odd when people end up with romantic partners that look just like them!

@weirdlybeloved Год назад

Ditto! Also partners that have absolutely EVERYTHING in common.. no separate interests at all ~ they love all the exact same things and have to do them ALL together. It always makes me wonder, "so are you dating them, or.. yourself?" 🧐

@maths23 Год назад

Every relationships is like that. People sharing interest and traits.

@indrajith2460 Год назад

I don't remember where I saw or read this but (i think it was on the discovery channel or something), humans are naturally attracted to those that look like them , whose hormonal (or is it pheromones) signals are similar to their own. I also read a paper on this long time ago which said pretty much the same. Anecdotally speaking, I'm sure that we've all at some point seen this IRL. I remember a RU-vidr who introduced his GF to his viewers and they all commented how she looks like him, if he put on a wig and had boobs

@vice2versa Год назад

@@weirdlybeloved having a partner that shares the same interests is way better than a partner that has completely different interests. It makes hobbies and entertainment more enjoyable when you can enjoy them with your partner so i really dont see what the issue is.

@weirdlybeloved Год назад

@@vice2versa I meant the type of people who have to do absolutely EVERYTHING together; having similar interests is obviously great, but it's also good (healthy, even) to have at least a couple of things you like to do on your own, so you don't wind up feeling suffocated and/or like you have no identity outside your relationship.

@beaniemanmg9134 Год назад

Damn, that is a insult. Gentle as Maegor, selfless as Aegon IV and wise as Aerys.

@wendellalbright6758 Год назад

“She never forgets a slight, real or imagined. She takes caution for cowardice and dissent for defiance.”

@thehobowizard Год назад

Cersei in the books is also batshit crazy

@juliohenrique8546 Год назад

Gentle as Maegor. Selfless as Aegon the Unworthy. Wise as Mad Aerys. Balerion's flames could not burn this hot.

@suvashree100 3 месяца назад

Balerion would be proud of this burn😂😂😂😂

@merykhan97 Год назад

Tyrion 😂 he's the best

@StartTheJoust Год назад

Jaime is quite simple medieval man. He likes to beat his enemies and fuck the most beautiful girl he can find. Jaime’s life is as compilcated as it is, but as a man he is quite straight forward. Cersei wants to BE Jaime (she hates that she’s a woman) and when she cant, she wants to OWN Jaime. I think thats clear as well. Actually, I feel like all the Lannisters live in Jaime’s mercy in a way, even tho Jaime doesn’t recognize it himself. Tywin needs him to be his heir, Cersei needs Jaime for pleasure and validation and Tyrion for a friend and protection. Kevan needs Jaime to lead their armies… Everything in House Lannister seems to be resolving always around Jaime.

@AnarexicSumo Год назад

If that were true he’d cheat on Cersei (if it can even be called that) at every opportunity. Nah, I think he just has a toxic relationship with his toxic father and toxic sister and doesn’t really understand what an actual loving relationship is. Cersei can easily move on from Jamie as she did with Lancel.

@StartTheJoust Год назад

@@AnarexicSumo Yeah Jaime doesnt sleep with anyone but Cersei. I know that. Cersei being the most beautiful girl in the kingdoms Jaime’s eyes (and Salladhor Saan’s if I recall from the show lol). I didn’t really mean that he sleeps around like a common sellsword.

@Maidaseu Год назад

He's standard royal doing incest.

@doctornobody0 Год назад

Jaime was naive

@wiggilytaco7570 11 месяцев назад

I see what you mean. If Jamie would have never allowed himself to be swayed by the manipulation of others he could have had the entire family on a chokehold. The family needed a lot from him so they used him. If he would have decided to use those needs against them, then they wouldn’t have many alternatives. All three would have been vying for the best option which would be him. They only look for other alternatives when they have him serving them because he chooses to be used freely.

@Ruby.D Год назад

Also, they were "sleeping together" from a disturbingly young age, much before their puberty, which can't be explained by normal sexual attraction but by their own madness.

@fazediamond5671 Год назад

Maybe they r Targaryen

@gabrieleblechschmidt6010 Год назад

Sehr vernachlaessigte Geschwister tun das auch heute noch im 21.Jahrhundert.Sie fuehlen sich dann"geliebt", weils Eltern nicht tun. Ein Phaenomen😢

@connaeris8230 Год назад

Well sexual sperimentation at a young age is not so weird (when it's not incest of course), it's not as if they were actually sleeping together

@Ruby.D Год назад

@@connaeris8230 to the point their mother decided keep them apart? Idk maybe they were experimenting too much. And they were definitely having sex very very young, as Jaime mentions it.

@willldo4 Год назад

Probably bad parents

@benmichael4265 Год назад

@AndreAFirenze Год назад

Another good clip. I’m reading the books from the start for the 10th time (or it’s the 11th? I’m confused like littlefinger at his process) and i watch your channel every day. Still hoping to hear the what we are all waiting for: “Did you know The Winds of Winter is coming?”

@Truck_Kun_Driver 11 месяцев назад

"She is 33 years old" Olenna Tyrell: OLDDDDDDD!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

@MiralFatima-cq2tt 5 месяцев назад

Tyrion took his father intelligence but in reality he was way more intelligent then him is one of the reasons he was hated because he roast but no one can do anything

@okaysxo Год назад

Yes. Cersei was cunning but she wasn’t logical. Allowing the faith to have their own army again (The swords and Stars) was one of the worst ideas she had, and if she knew her history; she would never have done it. The swords and stars were so lawless it was Maegor who outlawed them and Jahearys who sealed it. They answered to nobody but the High Septon- as we saw when they imprison Cersei etc. Maegor decreed them unlawful after their contribution to Aenys’ death, although Maegor was more concerned that the S&S army were becoming ruthless. He did ride Balerion after this decree, whilst they all prayed in the main sept, in which he burned it to the ground at their morning prayers- yet this still didn’t stop until Jahaerys ascended and firmly stated he would then protect the Faith, and they needn’t an army of their own.

@FlyingFox86 Год назад

She's definitely smart. The problem is that she thinks she smarter than she is, making her look dumber than she is. Being smart doesn't matter if you consistently think you are the smartest person around. You're still going to lose.

@George-sy5ej Год назад

Cercei is one the best written characters hands down.

@justineharper3346 Год назад

I think Cersei definitely just views Jamie (and her children as well) as an extension of herself. I think Jamie genuinely loves Cersei though and has let himself be manipulated by her their whole lives. I’m really hoping he ends up being the Valonquor and choking her out cause she has it coming

@TaeSunWoo Год назад

Tywin’s kids can’t be his because they lowkey want to be Targaryens so bad 😂

@alexisdesmall95 Год назад

Just spit my orange juice out😅

@corvega_joe 9 месяцев назад

There’s a theory that Tyrion is the Mad King’s son and not Tywin’s. Look it up here on RU-vid as the ASoIaF lore experts can explain it better than I.

@TaeSunWoo 9 месяцев назад

@@corvega_joe oh I know it 👀

@thetobester24 Год назад

Nobody’s gonna talk about how much fanart there is of them sleeping together? 😭

@alexisdesmall95 Год назад

People are weird, homie. This is tamed compared to other stuff I've seen.

@cobaltprime9467 Год назад

At least they kept that in the show. What really made me hate Cersei was her thinking she was a genius like her father. Or like Tyrion. She’s not. She’s a blind fool. Tyrion is the only one that can rival Tywin’s genius. Deep down Tywin must respect that, but it kills him knowing his deformed son is the one best suited to lead their family. One so short can see more than a giant.

@midnightmadness6344 Год назад

Tywin wasn’t that smart. In a story about plots, deceit, and furthering your station at best he turns already on the fence bannermen to his cause, but a good chunk of that was Rob’s fault for marrying a Westerling, losing the Karstarks, and breaking a vow with the most grudge holding house around. A smart man wouldn’t have let a monster like Joffrey kick off a massive war to begin with. He can’t even see what’s right in front of him, that two of his kids are sleeping together. Charles Dance is an amazing actor and I believe he did too well a job at presenting as the genius tactician that Tywin could never be. Tywin couldn’t beat a child with a smaller army, Tywin would have been too late to the Red Keep had it not been for Tyrion and the Tyrells (Tyrells who were only there because of the death of Renly of which Tywin had nothing to do with), Red Wedding isn’t smart you just open yourself up for people to violate Guest Right to you, also let’s not forget Tywin invites the Red Mummers for his fear campaign in the Riverlands which bites him in the ass when they eventually chop off Jamie’s hand.

@FlyingFox86 Год назад

When Tywin sister pointed that out to him, he didn't speak to her for half a year. But I'm not sure if Tywin knew it even deep down. Tywin from the books isn't quite Charles Dance's Tywin from the show.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Год назад

So....perfect casting for both characters, I cannot imagine any other actors anymore

@madelinegarber7860 Год назад

Not me cackling at Tirion’s roast of her.

@jasmineg_63 Год назад

Cersei was so mean to him

@jordanmcgrory2171 Год назад

Eh no. You've misread that. Cersei describes at great length how she feels that she and Jamie are two halves of one person, and she feels complete when she is with Jaime.

@fireblizard8366 Год назад

Because she’s a narcissist.

@ACinemafanatic Год назад

Yeah she’s a narcissist just like how she sees herself in Joffrey being the eldest and testing her other kids like they don’t really matter. And when Jamie came back with one hand she ridiculed him because she only saw Jamie for what she isn’t a man in power like Tywin

@7PlayingWithFire7 Год назад

You literally described a narcissistic thing and called it love. Lmao. You couldn't be more wrong

@No-nose-philander 8 месяцев назад

Tyrions ceaseless roasting is so good

@ARC.475 Год назад

So Tyrion just called "violent, selfish and crazy" 😂

@os44881616 Год назад

While lena heady is older, she us absolutely gorgeous

@lennypane62 Год назад

jesus tyrion ate her tf up 😭

@ComaLies225 Год назад

If I remember correctly, Cersei in the early seasons wore lots of red and there was only one moment I can remember where she wore a green/teal dress. I love the red outfits but now wish they added more green garments. I do get why they didn’t since Cerseis actress doesn’t have green eyes (I think)

@jimmiehissong Год назад

Really enjoy these edits

@vigneshmallya9597 Год назад

Tiron was soo accurate af 😂😂😂 he roasted her more than thr drag 😂😂😂

@arpansaha2111 Год назад

Not sure if tywin cared enough about his children to even try to tell them apart

@Slappys Год назад

I think the show does a pretty good job of showing that all of Cersei’s “love” is rooted in narcissism

@babystar613 Год назад

Idk why but it felt safest when robert was king

@illam9500 Год назад

Lol headass "you will call me by my husband's rank" type vibes 😂

@robertmartin9677 Год назад

Tryion was the one who should have been King.

@АлександрЛоктионов-г3б Год назад

Aw, they were so adorable as children!

@thekhan1987 8 месяцев назад

tbf, tyrion isn't as smart as he thinks he is either.

@aureliuswright1456 Год назад

The narcissism definitely came across in the HBO series

@umwha 11 месяцев назад

Tyrions comparisons of Targaryen kings to Cersei is a clever way of hinting that she is a Targaryen

@muhatasimalam8698 Год назад

So when Robert was doing the nasty with Cercei, he was actually doing the Kingslayer?

@ameliaflynnhayes Год назад

Cersei and Jamie’s relationship is messed up in the books and the show

@sagetang36 Год назад

Hey what is the background song? It’s beautiful

@bannedaccount540 Год назад

Telling that the 3 people Tyrion compares Cersei to are all Targaryens

@Lord_Ivoundy_Creood Год назад

Would've been so nice to point that out when she burned the Tyrells... Could've made it so that the entire of the south rebelled and tryion comments that phrase about her being stupid again

@lunamoona6706 10 месяцев назад

The only kid inherited Tywin intelligence is Tyrion. It’s pity that Tywin never saw that

@daphneglasurus7886 Год назад

That narcissism was not true for Jamie. Cersei saw in him a reflection of her power and malice, he might not have realized it until after he knew Brienne but he loved her because he sympathized with what she had been through and wanted to hurt the world that hurt her.

@Catherine.Dorian. Год назад

Even in the show I always felt Cersei didn’t love Jamie, it was control.

@CsySnw 4 месяца назад

why is 90% of their fanart with straight hair bruh, like give the lannisters their lion manes

@Edward4Plantagenet Год назад

In book she wear Green 💚, In serial , it's Red that is her favorite, most worn

@nacereddinechallal4405 11 месяцев назад

Fun fact: identical twins are always of the same sex ; you can't have identical twins with different sexes.

@travisgames6608 Год назад

It is technically a form of self pleasure when the two sleep together.

@TommyXLourdes Год назад

She's such a bombshell in that first image

@anthonyju6392 Год назад

This is one of the reasons why I HATED the latter seasons. Cercei is petty and small minded. Then later she could do no wrong. Everything starts going her way and it was plain loathesome.

@iResonate Месяц назад

George really cooked with these character descriptions!

@NargisK5718 3 месяца назад

Well, Tyrion is right about Cersei😂😂😂😂😂

@forrestredd2706 8 месяцев назад

I know this isn't technically about the subject, but that artwork chosen for the thumbnail, is perfect in so many ways that -as an artist myself- it physically hurts me.

@justinamerican8200 Год назад

I always said that Cersei and Jamie have one thing in common: They both love Cersei.

@johnfranks2661 6 месяцев назад

I interpret it like this: Cersei loves Jaime because of her narcissism. Meanwhile, Jaime loves Cersei because he can only love fellow Lannisters (which is why he's the only one who also loves Tyrion).

@connoriquada5429 Год назад

The 5th non-TV adaptation picture of cerci there is EXACTLY how I imagined her in the books. That’s actually creepy. I’ve never seen an image capture something so close to how I imagined it in my head. Weird. Closest thing was a picture I saw a while ago of Logan’s dozen from the first law. So just a drawing of Logen Ninefingers, Black Dow, Rudd Threetrees, Harding Grim, The Dogman, Forley the Weakest, and Tull Duru the Thunderhead. That also captured their vibes pretty well. But not as well as this did for cerci.

@erkutefebaransel 7 месяцев назад

No its alabama

@ladyalicent705 Год назад

I think it was only Cersei that displayed this level of narcissism. Jaime was many things, some of which were not so good, but a narcissist wasn’t one of them, and I do think he actually loved Cersei, or thought he did, even his concept of love is incredibly messed up

@JackJohnson-sz3dm 10 месяцев назад

Nah Jamie was def a narcissist just not to the same level as cerci she takes the cake when it comes to that.

@oliverstone9577 Год назад

Yea it makes quite a lot more sense for them to be that age rather than how older they were in the shows. But i guess since they had too age Joffrey up it only made sense to age his parents up too.

@NeoRazgriz Год назад

Tyrion described her…like a woman🤔😎

@barretharms655 Год назад

They are twins and yes it could be nothing but narcissism. That is she is indulging in narcissism, for him he's pleasuring himself the best way possible that is if you could ever get her to stop being neurotic look for that she would have to be comfortable in her own skin

@toddrdavis2659 Год назад

Can you say, "twin flame"? 🤔🔥🔥

@juanferandrade2117 Год назад

To be fair Cersei did pick up her father’s main goal throughout his life, Family & dinasty, all her children are pureborn Lannister (mainly because she despised Robert) but she also justifies it a bunch of times by saying “well Targaryen’s did it too” so it is because of her unhealthy obsession with power and Lannister’s (and by extension her) having it, that at the start of Got the Lions are the ones who are winning the game, accomplishing what Jaime could never do because he was a Kingsguard, that’s why she pushes so hard to be Tywin’s heir when he was alive, only to be discarded and told to wed again.

@Budguy68 11 месяцев назад

Tyrion: "ohhh my sweet sister..."

@alexanderkelsey-gi4qn 7 месяцев назад

I think the bigger reason why Tywin could couldn’t tell his children apart was because he didn’t make it a point to be present in their lives as they were growing up. Even Joanna’s death wasn’t a good enough reason for him to step down and be the primary caregiver for his children.