WHY Chameleon Didn't Summon MASTER OOGWAY in KUNG FU PANDA 4...  

As much as I want to talk about how she can just shoot her tongue out as he is descending, after seeing Legends of Awesomness and scaling Oogway above Po, or equal, I would say that is absolutely true!

Oogway could easily dodge the tongue and used the paralyzing touch points as he did with tai lung then defeated the rest of the goons

​​@@USA_OILTAKERSevery single one of the masters she "absorbed" should have been able to dodge her. Plenty of them have been seen dodging ARROWS and projectiles, but a stupid tongue gets them?

Oogway straight up going to realize that someone is pulling him to mortal world

Oogway isn't just someone... He is a true secret ingredient with 5000 years of knowledge and war skills with ultimate inner peace

I mean they aren't strong so it makes sense

​@@tobsonasanya4765you should rewatch the whole kung fu panda trilogy cuz no way you said theyre "weak,,

​@@someperson3688they aren't strong after they got their power stolen

​@@someperson3688imean shen ain't that strong and kai has clearly lost his power he had in the 3rd film

They didn't pay the voice actors

OHHHH!!!!!

Without context it sounds very wrong 💀

I mean tortoise shafts.... 💀

@@Rover50fr

*starts removing his loincloth* 💀

Indeed, Kung Fu Panda 4 had little effort :I it was just made to get easy money

@@pedroantonio1251 I haven't seen so much nothing from a movie since Shrek The Third.

I feel like I am the only person in the world who actually liked Kung fu panda 4 lol

@@MelonDemon32I liked it too lol

​@@MelonDemon32By itself its a fair movie that matches the times.

I was thinking the same thing she might only be able get neutral or low morale spirits because they haven’t finished the afterlife process

could relate to the staff wielders own chi...Po could be the only one currently who can visit Oogway

I got another theory they just that Oogway wouldn’t fit in the movie for how not serious the film was and were like nah we need to be more sillier

Oogway just doesn’t like being in bad movies, that’s all it is

I can’t leave I live here” in the movie we’re ogway fight Kai in the spirit realm after he absorbed every master there meaning no niqqa there are no other stages of spirit real

She knew General Kai

My brain thought why didnt she summon Mahoraga from JJK since the thumbnail is split💀

She most likely did her research and stumbled across legends of General Kai and Oogway serving together.

Or maybe she heard about that time an Army of Jade-People rampaged on the Valley of Peace

And if she did do her research on Kai... surely she would know about Lord Shen having no skills in kung fu (Not saying he was weak) ... He was very cunning and intelligent, using his gifted feathers to his advantage as a shield or hiding knives within them. (Spoiler, even tho anyone who hasn't watch the movie shouldn't be reading comments about it anyways) And this doesn't even mention her reasoning for stealing all of it. Bo hoo "Im too small, to learn kung fu" Miss mama... you're DAUGHTER knows kung fu... MANTIS one of the furious five is the size of an action figure... SNAKE HAS NO LEGS and still learned kung fu. There is even a master flipping CHICKEN... SHIFU is a red panda pushing 50 and knows kung fu... what do you MEAN you're too small?

They played the chameleon's tongue as a jumping rope

​@@maxthedoge6927how tho? I mean with who they were playing? Spirit realm must be really fun

​@@johnycraft7665I hope she got a strong tongue cause they going to use it for exercise

Kung fu Panda 5:- Return of the Chameleon......(maybe)

@@kgrsentertainmentchannel7092or 6 maybe

Guess some nation didn't know that.

@@OwO377 dat crazy

Imagine some guy doing the most random moves, and it being useful, and he told the people like telling mom to goddamn look at him when he is going down the slide like: Look what I can do!

thats alot of history as well. People don't know where a lot of stuff originated from, and just go off what other people say instead of what actually happened.

She could have learned about kung fu later on from stranded traveller who learned it through generations. Stricter masters who does think that size matter. Not everyone was Oogway after all.

I agree, she didn't know who Oogway was. If she had met him years ago, she probably wouldn't have become evil.

The defense “she doesn’t know who Oogway is” is actually so stupid. If she doesn’t know who Oogway is, how does she know who Kai is? Oogway literally left Kais memory in the dust. If she knows who Kai is, she can’t not know who Oogway is

@@noobthenewt1048 she could have learned about Kai and Oogway way after her descent into sorcery. And even then she would still probably think they would not accept someone like her due to rooted beliefs. Plus, Kai did quite ruckus after reviving, she could have heard tales of that, not the older ones with Oogway.

That's what I'm talking about​@@noobthenewt1048

Alternative version: “It’s time for me to *come* … And so is yours” ~Oogway

Oogway : My time has come.. and so is yours, so lets come together....

Is that a dmc4 reference "the time has come and so have I"

@@MakotoJeon “So you have stolen the staff ……….. I have a bigger one :)” ~ Oogway

If so, then why were they all wanting g to return to the Spirit Realm at end of movie?

@@ONI1013.I think they realized they don’t have a place in the mortal realm, that’s just my guess though

​@@Y65TKnha the story was rush if only Gary & jj Johnson was there the directors would make Kai and shen fight

Yeah. Maybe she knew about Oogway but it's likely none of the kung fu masters of Juniper City knew Mantis or any of the Five. So they rejected because of her small size as well as her status as a lowly reptilian runt.

@@user-ev8qw6bw2e I love you,thanks God you have a brain

But they know Shifu, and Shifus tiny, so that argument still makes no sense

@@noobthenewt1048 they know shifu,not how he looks

@@ahbho8708 Plus it seems like only the den old thieves knew about Shifu. Plus Chameleon looks pretty elderly so Mantis and the five wer probably just younglings when she was rejected

Yes, it's true, which is why the Furious Five didn't have any dialogue. They needed money badly for some reason, that's all this film is, a cash grab.

​@@njabulozimu7702very upsetting to see dreamworks best franchise probably go from 2 amazing movies and 1 great movie... To this pathetic cash grab. I mean did no one look at how messy this movie is at all?.

And set the movie up for something more special. And who knows where this story could lead to... Basically, endless possibilities.

Three Kingdom Arc for Kungfu Panda

Just like my fanfiction idea.😊

Sadly, I don’t think that would’ve worked. These people from the Spirit Realm spent so much time there, they became Spirit Warriors themselves. And if they stayed too long, the balance of the universe would’ve been disrupted, causing them to slowly whittle away. Kind of like how Spiderverse said “If you don’t belong here, you die.”

@@Skyfish93 still better than just standing there being npc's. An alternative idea than would've been to not add Shen or Kai at all cause a part from being npc, they just unalived their characters. I mean not even a single word?!?! I honestly expected an exchange of words between villains and even a fight when the film was announced.

Wait no there was a monster similar to that in Godzilla japanese universe but it doesn't shape shift

You mean Bagan? i think they used him for the Godziban puppet show, but he doesnt have his alternate forms

Destoroyah.

​@Suggestator dont summon us

@Suggestator your body wont be there to be putten on the grave Be careful.

Far as I know some Chinese characters basically get 4 stages of immortality and afterlife anyways so accurate lol

@@markaeresmanlangit9727 oh cool.

Oogway was once a villain and he literally invented Kung Fu but I personally like to think chameleon tried summoning him but Oogway didn't even bother to come.

@@Harbin_07like “po? You ain’t po, I ain’t doing sh-“

He didn't have any ki from previouse masters to do it though.

@@drummerboi357he has the skills to turn her entire army against her by having em turn into jombies. He also has his weapons and he also has his kung fu

First??

The first one was general kai bro, the second one is the chameleon

@@stownjam how was kai unoriginal? He was the first one to take kung fu masters and made them fight in his behalf, while also being a strong fighter himself. Thats a very original power. Especially since they clearly showed Tai Lung and Shen, but refused to use either of them, Kung Fu Panda 4 literally brings back all past villains, and uses kung fu masters to fight against Po. That is literally a rehashed plotline from KFP 3 and rehashed the villains. And while I think Chameleon could have been really cool, it would have been amazing if she didnt need to change her form to use the techniques, and that she just uses her transformations to cause chaos. It would also have been cool that her character arc would literally be that she wanted to be the most famous kung fu fighter, but since she couldnt get better through Oogway, she decided to oppose ALL kung fu fighters instead. Only for Po to embrace his teacher role and show her a new path.

​​@@Predated2​ by unoriginal, i mean uninteresting in terms of story Tai Lung became outraged due to being trained for years, yet getting denied what his master set him up for. Painfully struggling to get to the top, putting his blood, sweat, and tears into his training, as shifu kept filling his head that he would become the dragon warrior. But as soon as Oogway said otherwise, shifu did absolutely nothing(not even conforting him or offering him a happy medium). Lord Shen was the best villain in my opinion. Not only did he have a pretty solid background, but he also had ties to Po in ways where it affected him greatly. He thought his parents hated him, because in his eyes, "why would you have to ask a fortune teller about what your son will become when he didn't do anything wrong in the first place?" Obviously it was because Lord Shen was exhibiting bad behaviors, like making gun powder into a weapon, but he didn't see that as bad, he was simply innovating. So, after seeing what his parents did and that he would be defeated by a warrior of black and white, he reacted and went for the pandas, thinking he killed them all. Returning home proud, as his parents just looked at him in shameful regret, so they banished him. Lord Shen thought he was betrayed by his parents for no good reason, he thought he was unloved and unwanted, when it wasn't the case. Whats better is that, him and Po finally meet and Po becomes very distressed due too all the damage Lord Shen had inflicted onto him. Now for Kai, his story doesn't really add up. He traveled with Oogway and was loyal to him, to the point that he traveled for days carrying him to a place where he could be healed. Oogway was healed but for some reason out of the blue Kai wanted more power? So he tried to steal it before being banished to the spiritual realm by Oogway. That came out of nowhere. Sure he wanted more power, but why? And why now? Oogway never mentioned that he acted strangly or that he wanted more, it just came out of the blue. Not only that but not even the movie takes him seriously, so its hard for the audience to do the same when they portray him as a joke of a villain(and there is a way to do silly villains correctly, look at spot form across the spider verse). The Chameleon had so much potential, but of course it was wasted. Her motive is terrible. Instead of giving her a great motive, the writers just take the lazy route and say "oh its cuz she's small" ignoring that mantis exists. "Oh but maybe she didn't know about mantis, or any master that would train her" it doesn't matter because they never made it clear in the story if she knew about him, shifu, and Oogway, or not. It feels very confusing. They shouldn't have even gone that route at all. A better back story is her learning kung-fu and becoming a master, but also finding a way to be more powerful via sorcery, but her master rejecting her because it's forbidden, and stripping her of her title of kung-fu master because of it. That is way better than "i got rejected by a few kung-fu masters :(" It's not about the desing, or the concept of the character thats unoriginal, it's their motives and backgrounds that make them unoriginal and uninteresting. (Also mb, i didn't realize I went on a long tangent lol)

@@stownjam Kai's main 'sin' is that he came after the Masterpiece that is Lord Shen. Tai Lung is a better villain than Kai, and Tai Lung alone is MVP Hall of Fame GOAT material himself, let alone having to followup after Lord Shen who is the GOAT of GOATs. Anyone would seem unoriginal compared to the first two. Outside of having to contend with two of the best baddies Dreamworks has ever cooked, Kai is a good villain. Decent at the worst. Significantly better than the Chameleonliteralwho.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!! thank you!

He wasn't

What are you talking about? He wasn’t even in Kung Fu Panda 4.

Downplayed and nerfed how? The only time we could gauge his fighting prowess was in his brawl with Kai and he gave his all fighting an amped up version of his brother from another mother who couldnt be defeated by Mortal means.

True.

Kai can take her chi or lord shen can easily decapitate her.

Nah It wasnt bad it just lacked The charecters

Nah it was amazing and it's the best movie in the franchise. Also, we're getting 2 more movies

I beg to differ

That’s an understatement, it’s so disrespectful to the previous 3 movies. I’m not gonna bring in the F5, but I’m gonna bring in the character assassination of everyone else. In KFP2, we saw Li as a person who would defend his family, we saw him wound the wolf leader’s eye. In KFP3, we saw him face off against jade shifu. In KFP4, he got scared by a boar??? In KFP2, we saw Shen as someone who hated Po so much he’d let himself die instead of accepting Po defeated him. In KFP4 somehow he now respects Po??? In KFP, we saw Tai Lung as someone who was filled with rage of being rejected the title of dragon warrior, but in KFP4 he now cracks lots of jokes and quips a lot. In KFP3, Kai spent 500 years gathering the chi of every Kung Fu Master in the spirit realm to defeat Oogway and get out, and you’re telling me that he for some unknown reason that God doesn’t even know, went back to the spirit realm when he had a chance of escaping? I won’t even mention shifu cause he was in this movie for the sole purpose of being there. This movie was made by people who don’t even know Kung Fu Panda, and the people who did know KFP and worked on it either left and refused to return, or they got ignored by the director and everyone else

I respectfully Disagree. I thought it was an enjoyable movie, but it’s definitely nowhere near the level of the first 2 movies.

Oogway's Kung Fu would probably just ascend her to spirit realm and also don't forget; Oogway has a better staff

@@Harbin_07 True.