@@nilloc93 Actually old translation. Peking and Beijing are both transcriptions of the same name, but Peking is Wade-Giles and Beijing is the more modern Hanyu Pinyin
The 9th US IR has an awesome piece that was given to them by the Chinese after the rebellion, a solid silver bowl, called the “Liscum Bowl”. The regiment was named the “Manchu’s” afterwards. The bowl was used up until the units dissolution to initiate officers in command. It’s an impressive piece and worth a look, the craftsmanship is amazing.
The Liscum Bowl is a sterling silver punch bowl set made in 1902 from bullion retrieved during the Boxer Rebellion by the U.S. Army. The silver was presented to the 9th Infantry Regiment by order of Chinese statesman Li Hung Chang in gratitude for the Americans' assistance to the Qing dynasty. The bowl was dedicated to Colonel Emerson H. Liscum, the regiment's commander killed at the Battle of Tientsin on 13 July 1900. The punch bowl, among the largest of its kind, is described by the U.S. Army as "One of the foremost trophies of any American regiment." For many years, it was on display in the 2nd Infantry Division Museum in Korea, where it was the most valuable item in the collection, worth upwards of $5 million. In 2018, the Liscum Bowl was moved to Fort Carson, Colorado. In fact, the silver was stolen from the Chinese of the Qing Dynasty, in the same way that the US Army, stole other valuable objects of Jade and Ivory.
@@salvadorvizcarra769 "In fact, the silver was stolen from the Chinese of the Qing Dynasty" That statement doesn't make sense. Li Hung-chang was a Qing Dynasty diplomat. He presented the molten silver mass to the 9th infantry for help in securing the Tianjin (Tientsin) government mint from looting and further burning. Afterwards they made the decision to take the gifted silver molten mass to make it the Liscum Bowl.
It was not enough to undone the society. Example, after Governor of Shandong, Yuanshikai, guned down a dozen of leading Boxer members (He ask them to show case the bullet proof matrial art, which, for obvious reasons, failed) , the Boxer just get peacified in his provience. Its a lack of will from the Qing government, not lack of ability.
Yes. Plus the fact that he was training two brand new infantry divisions there, both properly equipped and far better than any Boxer mob. The thing is that the Empress wanted to use the Boxers to further her own goals, basically she wanted the foreign powers to give back concessions in fear of the Boxers
@@podemosurss8316 Hold on....she thought a multinational force , fairly well equipped and fairly disciplined, who previously defeated the Chinese army...would retreat at the sight of unorganized mobs? How stupid was this bitch?
@@comunistubula4424 So much that most of the Chinese Army commanders signed and issued a manifesto stating that she had gone mad and they were not going to fight.
@@comunistubula4424 Stupid enough that southeast China's provinces simply refused orders from her to attack the foreigners and instead attacked the boxers.
Moar Joe! Moar Justin! Most Boxers! Seriously, this period is incredibly interesting and under appreciated. I would love to hear more on this subject an "Joe Uncaged" sounds fascinating.
Herbert Hoover was in Tianjin at the time, and observed that this was a popular uprising. This was an important event because: Defeat of the Qing by the foreign powers basically put a nail into the coffin of that dynasty; Russian occupation of Manchuria quickly led to conflict with Japan; traditionalists lost prestige/face, opening up opportunities for revolutionaries/modernizers to press their case(s). In the 20 years following the Boxer rebellion, the Manchu were overthrown and the KMT and Communist parties founded.
I feel like Chris Pine's statement in the opening of Wonder Woman is so apt for this movement. "You have guns right?" Martial arts is amazing... but so is a blunderbuss.
A little known conflict that helped shape the early 20th century in ways that really are easily missed, but are very significant. Thank you both, & An waiting for the long form video with anticipation.
No, that was an angry old lady feeling betrayed by her dearest grandson and heir, with his foreign power behind try to force her give up the power. She tried to raised her grandson to be an emperor suited her mind.
Look up 'opium wars'. These guys ignoring the opium trade (John Kerry's and many other old American money's source of wealth) makes this video a sick joke. The US and UK were raping China (with the help of Chinese christians) and the Chinese people fought BACK! The opiate crisis in the US now is pure delayed karma.
P.retty good video presentation. Little surprised no mention of Homer Lea leading anti imperial toorps into Peking with the troops from other foreign nations. Plus did the Taiping Rebellion indirectly lead to the rise of the Boxers?
The state of the Imperial Chinese Armed Forces by that point was far below of what was needed for a military conflict, specially one of that magnitude. The First Sino-Japanese war had resulted in the loss of half the Navy and most of the best trained and equipped units China had in 1890 such as the Beiyang Jun. After the war, Marshall Ronglu took over command of its remnants and reorganised them into two infantry divisions, which, together with a cavalry division brought from Gansu, were now the core of the Wuwei Lujun. Training of two other infantry divisions under Yuan Shikai started soon un Shandong peninsula, but these two divisions didn't take part on the fighting. The rest of Chinese military units didn't take part and adopted a policy of "not fighting unless attacked", specially after a manifesto was agreeded by their commanders stating that the Empress had gone mad and they would not follow suit
While some of the beats are correct-ish, it's a very embellished, very Hollywood, and very 60's film. Not accurate really, but interesting. I still bring it up in lectures, mostly for the fun visuals. It and the accompanying theme by the Brothers 4 was very popular so it is many people's primary exposure to the conflict. I thought it was very telling that they included a Russian as the primary (non-boxer) villain and include a scene at the end where Charleton Heston literally picks up a little Chinese girl to take her away and "save" her. It's an American War movie made during the cold war and plays out as such. But it is fun, and like most classic war movies good for an evening. But don't rely on it for your history (or me either! Check out some of the secondary sources in the description)
It is incomplete, but portrays accuratelly what happenned in Beijing those days, even though the characters showns are given modified names to prevent any legal issues (except for Prince Duan, who fell in disgrace due to the war, so he wasn't in a position to complain). The uniformes shown for the ICA infantry are actually older models than the ones used by 1900 (which were more similar to the western uniforms) and a lot of stuff is glossed over, specially abouth the Chinese military and why they were reluctant to that war.
It's an American movie soundtrack from the 1960s, the German version is just... the version for German audiences. There's also Japanese, Spanish, and Italian versions I believe.
Tibet? Remind me who invaded that please. How about, " We don't believe in karma, so screw your Llamas, don't make a fuss, you now belong to us". China is as much an aggressive imperial power as any of the European nations, or Japan or the USA. To pretend otherwise is hypocritical and dishonest.
@Golden Eagle ok you're a troll, i see. Guess ethnic replacement is just part of the deal of being liberated from a nation 12000 km away with no military power in the region
Declaring war on everyone may seem stupid in hindsight, but it's hard to imagine what else the Qing government should have done at the time. Its repeated defeats and humiliating concessions to foreign powers had led it to lose domestic prestige, popular legitimacy and popular support. Then, on one side, a popular mass movement arises to fight foreign domination, a mass movement premised on Chinese traditionalism at that. On the other side are the foreign powers who have been abusing you since the First Opium War. From a situation like that, the only way out I can see for the Qing would have been to embrace the Boxers, and go all in. Prepare for total war and for turning China into Insurgent Hell for anyone trying to occupy it, and rely on attrition to make the foreign powers eventually decide it's not worth it and bugger off. It might have been a long shot, but no longer than any other option. Instead the Qing government chickened out when Beijing fell, not realizing that the die is already cast.
By imperialism I assume he meant colonial imperialism. China was a single unified country and a weak one at the time, not a powerful motherland with colonies, so really an empire in name only. It's understandable why he says that.
Empire and Imperialism are not the same thing. ALL major nations were *Empires*, ALL major nations absorbed lands/people from their neighbors and turned it into their own. Only European IMPERIALISM ever expanded to far-flung parts of the world where they colonized entirely different people and reduce them to 2nd class citizens. Empires absorb. Imperialists enslave. That's the difference.
Nah, don't beat yourself up over 'rambling'. I thought it was concise and moved the story/history along nicely. I genuinely was wondering what happened next 👍
Yea making this comment before watching. The answer is simpler than whatever took 25 minutes to explain: "Ha! Your feeble weapons are powerless against the Kung Fu fist!"
@@rogerc6533 State Backed Drug Trade was done only because Qing Diplomatic and Trade Policy, coupled with complete ineptitude of the Qing to do anything at all.
@@yochaiwyss3843 I agree that the Qing was incompetent and its protectionism prevented China from undergoing something like Japan's Meiji Restoration. It really isnt any justification for selling illicit drugs to people though.
@@rogerc6533 It's not really a justification, it's simply the reason why the brits acted the way they did, and how. The British Government set up the East Indies Company to procure all trade from the East, including China. Qing China had it's own brand of Imperialism (Mandate of Heaven) coupled with extreme protectionism meant that the company found itself bankrupting the state's reserve of silver (the only commodity that the Qing government agreed to trade with), so it found the one commodity which the Chinese did want, albeit not legally - Opium.
@@Lancemoolied China is communist now, if they never went communist they wouldn't have any issues. Look at South vs North Korea, for a good example as to this.
Bose-Einstein British Empire is no longer there but I still got those islands out there though. Same as France.Germany is no longer at Empire, should I break down to the tiny states like before? Form of government doesn’t have much to do with the land it controls.
Bose-Einstein also if you know of the Korean War you know the Koreans didn’t decide to be separated from one another it was the Americans and the Soviets. west and east Germany unify. Plus China is not really communist anyway. You think they got rich by being communists?
@@Lancemoolied That's the point. It's two kinds of environments. One where they were propped up by a communist, authoritarian government, and one that was propped up by capitalist, democratic government. Guess which one has better living conditions for their people?
Flawed attempt at humour: look up the meaning of Great Britain. Flawed logic: China was not colonised (except maybe by the Japanese in the 1930s.) China (the government, not individuals) is responsible for the coronavirus pandemic.
@@Shelmerdine745 Oh I see, your comment was so sober and well-sourced I suppose? Great Britain is named because it is bigger than little Britain (Brittany). So yes it is! Please specify how you are suffering from colonialism's atrocities.
CheckoutNow _ What are you talking about? I said there was never anything great about Britain. I obviously was not talking about it’s size, go figure. For the atrocities and the lasting negative impact, maybe sign up for a course in history.
Don't just make controversial comments and then refuse to give real examples. Telling people to "sign up for a course in history" shows that you are just making up stuff and shoving your biased opinion.
Honestly I didn't check all the flag balls and initially assumed this was talking about the Korean War. So China is 0-1-1 against the world, whose up for round 3?
more like: power brokers break into open war, kill many civilians. Boxers killed civilians, the imperial forces killed civilians, it was one atrocity on top of another leading to permanent hidden and open hostility between china and "the west."
@Joakim von Anka I don’t care about that particular subject either so no extensive sources from me. I’m just drawing the parallel. Group targeting Chinese investments there, claiming that foreign investments don’t benefit locals. They also get slap down by foreign powers ruling over their land. They also trying to destroy infrastructure built by them. I just want to know if according to you is this behavior always OK, if it’s against big foreign power. Or what exactly are the rules? Is foreign power always the bad guy and the traditionalists who are against foreign influence are always right?