I unfortunately never heard Rubinstein live, but adored his Chopin since I grew up. I am so jealous you heard him on that opportunity, it must have been absolutely magic. ❤
I remember the concert and the broken piano strings replaced at intermission. Overwhelming concert. I can understand why Rubinstein was hard to record.
And the amazing thing he came to see his playing at this stage of his career as not really serious: things had come so easily to him he felt he had not worked hard enough to perfect his technique. So he took some time off just to practice intensively and then re-emerged as the mature artist. It takes a lot of courage and humility to make such a choice.
At first I was like: "How can there only be 37 upvotes on content this amazing!" Then I checked how many views there were and realized that the video was released 30 minutes ago, and had about 240 views at the time xD
For a Chopin buff whose favorite *contemporary* Chopin interpreter had been a student of one of the two featured pianists this was highly interesting. Thank you for this valuable content!
The side by side and how vastly different they play and understand the music is such an important point for young, maturing musicians to see. This battle of understanding how to converse with the composers ideas to make it ideally personally.
I haven't listened to the third sonata, but the others you mention, yes, I love those above most other Chopin. In fact, I'm often tempted to put the fourth Ballade above the Barcarolle. Somehow, though, it doesn't seem fair. The Ballade is a dramatic, weighty work, but the Barcarolle makes of its essentially lyric nature something utterly magical. The harmonic language is amazingly subtle. When I would practice it, I especially noticed the constantly shifting harmony in the part of the coda that follows the climatic forte passage. I think the Barcarolle is a miracle.
Agree totally. The barcarolle sums up so much of the soul of Chopin. I can see the barcarcolles so clearly when hearing this. I think of Spanish saudades, of the gondoliers. The duet of the singers flowing above the waters. I am in the boat, and also observing from afar. The distance is in space and in time. A timeless piece and yet a snippet of some experience of Chopin? ❤
I heard Ax play the Baracarolle in Sarasota about a year ago! It was an all-late-Chopin recital, and the Polonaise-Fantaisie and the Barcarolle brought the house down. It was also the first time I heard the Barcarolle, which has since grown to become perhaps my favorite Chopin piece as well, alongside the Ballades.
I have a story about Garrick. He came to Santa Fe, and performed a Chopin recital. He walked into stage and sat down at the piano, then turned to the audience and told us the reason he was dressed so informally was that the airline had lost his luggage! He then proceeded to perform the best Chopin recital I’d heard in years. ❤
Watching the last bit of this actually did a great job of selling me on Seymour Bernstein’s interpretation of the romanticists’ use of < and > markings as indicating rubato rather than dynamics. It’s always great seeing the intersections of analyses on this channel
It’s also worth pointing that it’s musically very rich without being incredibly difficult to play, at least by Chopin’s standard. One of his homages to Italian bel canto opera, but with counterpoint!!! I love these two great pianists’ down-to-earth honesty. They are the real thing.
I once gave the score of the Barcarolle to a talented young pianist who had just graduated from the Prep. I said to his father that if the entirety of piano music consisted only of this one piece, music would still be the greatest of the arts. There is no perfect performance of this piece. Only God in Heaven gets to hear that.
I really enjoy the way my teacher, Roberto Poli, plays it. His interpretation is my favorite: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9rwlLW8E7Q.html&feature=shares
I've played this piece some 30 odd yrs ago...took me a/b 2.5yrs to get it - my favorite Chopin piece as well....Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, thus I love the renditions of Op.60 from Jorge Bolet, A.Rubinstein and Van Cliburn ~
I go back and forth between the Barcarolle and the Polonaise Fantasy as being my absolute favorite piano piece. They were both a part of my introduction to Chopin and are incomparable to anything else in his literature.
The Bacarolle is my favorite, the Scherzzo and the Ballades amazing too! Look at the aria Vedro Con Mio Diletto by Vivaldi, it seems light and beautiful, but print out the sheet music and sing it, it is another story, it's those minor sounding chromatic shifts in the melody! Probably my second favorite piece of music. Another favorite is the 2nd movement of the Rach2.
The accompaniment to Benjamin Godard's Berceuse de Jocelyn uses many of the same chords and harmonies and chord progressions. Presumably he was influence by Chopin Barcarolle, He was born in the year Chopin died.
I think the Rubinstein 1928 recording is peerless. Even though he went on to rerecord it several times, there was a magic in the first that neither he, nor any other recording that I have heard, has equaled.
"Every time I learn a piece of music, he learns the complete works of that composer..." We all got a friend like that right? 😂 He's downplaying his ability for a jest, but Emanuel is a fantastic musician and great person in his own right - we don't have to be "the best".
The reference to boats and water - fine, implied in the title barcarolle. The reference to an asymmetric gondola during Chopin's life is wrong. The asymmetry was only introduced in the end of the 19th century - almost 1900. The flat bottomed gondola is already referenced before 1100, but until ~1900 these boats had a symmetrical shape when seen from above. These had to be rowed, navigated, by two oarsmen. One in the front, one in the back. The asymmetry allowed a single oarsman on the back of the gondola and this made the cost of transportation cheaper. You may see a few of the symmetric gondole still in Venice, but that is rare. Compare the asymmetry with the cross section of an aeroplane wing that gives lift. After the French Revolution, and the industrial revolution happening on the continent, labour in Europe became more expensive. Feudal nobility generally lost their wealth. And two oarsmen got too expensive.
"Barcaruola: la notte è bella". In 1848 Chopin played the Barcarolle twice. The première was in Salon Pleyel (16 February) and in the second performance in September 27th of 1848 (at Merchant's Hall) the concert program anounced the piece in italian as "Barcaroula: 'la notte è Bella'" (trans. 'Barcaroula: The night is beautiful'). Isn't that interesting? It's not an editor thing, it's a Chopin's concert program!! Why isn't this information more widely spread? In the première Charle Hallé wrote about Chopin's performance: "He played the latter part of his Barcarolle, from the point where it demands the utmost energy, in the opposite style, pianissimo, but with such wonderful nuances that one remained in doubt if this new reading were not preferable to the accustomed one" (Hallé 1848) So as Emanuel Ax claims (11:26) "What to enphasise when?" is just a path with several possibilities and Chopin himself didn't write "in stone" everything that is on the manuscript, he kept changing himself the possibilities of performance. Sorry to disagree with Garrick but at 10:07 what Chopin writes is a ritardando (with an hairpin towards diminuendo) and not a diminuendo. At the end of the phrase there is an accelerando and not a crescendo also. Garrick needs to see more videos of Seymore Bernstein about hairpins. Cotot's version does it very beautifuly. Even Rubinstein's version (7:42) does it in a very subtle way (speacially the accelerando). Check my Art Script of the Barcarolle: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8GwXqN9q06Y.html&ab_channel=Andr%C3%A9VazPereira Keep up the videos!
Yes, Mr. Ax, that’s difficult to do when played in this absurd tempo, in which everyone else also plays it in, including Mr. Ohlsson. Supposedly Gondolas should be evoked for this piece, so it is ad nauseam said, but the rowing motions only come out if one plays the eighth notes around 80 bpm. Look up the performance by Anthony de Bonaventura to see what this piece should really sound like. Everyone just keeps ignoring the overwhelming evidence that shows that Chopin and many of his contemporaries played more slowly than we love to impose to. Music is commonsensical, it is not some obscure thing that is so difficult to manifest! In these tempi, no one can enjoy the watery reverie and the dolce sfogato! Let’s try to understand what those words mean… Sorry for my rudeness. I hope I make a point.
IMO, there is no better - more poetic, more rhapsodic, more foundational - rendition of Chopin’s Bacarolle than that recorded by Dinu Lipatti before his death in 1950. Listen to, and enjoy it.
As an unconditional Chopin fan, and having listened every bit of his late works, I still don’t why but the Barcarolle doesn’t come close to move me like his other works do. And I desperately want to know why!!!!
I love Chopin and I know every last note he wrote by heart. I love the Barcarolle of course, I really do, but it's not my favorite piece, far from it. Scherzo 1, Ballade 1 & Nocturne 13 for instance have a much much deeper effect on me
@@potatopotato0715 If the depth of this work seems inaccessible, perhaps start with pieces of less dramatic magnitude such as the Valses, and the Mazurkas and the Preludes, to then listen to all the Nocturnes, the Polonaises .. before the Ballades and the Scherzi. The Scherzo 1 is strikingly brilliant and dramatic in intensity. Already the first 2 chords puzzled at the time by their audacity, their violence. Then it's a rhythmic masterpiece as you'll see in the opening pattern, and an anguished surge which plunges towards a great sadness, between bars 45 and 64, it's fascinating how we go from such a burst of flamboyant passion to such nostalgic desolation in such a short time. There is also the charm of the central episode, lulling and melancholic… the passionate coda...
Ive 'played' this piece - not very well. It is interesting to see how great keyboard master hear and interpret and compare to our own. An aside - yea chopin 'falls under the hands nicely' but having big hands for this piece is an advantage. I do not have big hands.
Notating must have been arduous for composers and the like in the period - WE today with all the tech probably could not have the patience--thank God for the genius of past
And by Garrick's own comments in this video, I think he would agree. I would have been happier to click on this video if it were titled "Why Chopin’s Barcarolle is Garrick Ohlsson's favorite piece".
I was going to say that I find it a legitimate consideration to use the Sostenuto pedal to capture the opening C# bass, and hold for the entire dominant pedal, and then realized that (I think) Rubinstein does so on the Red Seal RCA Victor recording. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q9umBE2Gn7Q.html
Chopin's most Lisztian work! Chopin meets, and shakes hands with Liszt. This is Chopin channeling Liszt (who did go to Venice) in more than just programme. The work is more far ranging and farsighted than Chopin's intentionally intimate 'miniatures'. The work is 'thick' with Lisztian vision unto the horizon, and doesn't overall sound like Chopin despite its recourse to obtuse codas and decoration with extraneous trills (where Liszt would allow a silence) and would be quite at home anywhere in the Annees de Pelerinage. I think this occult quality of this work is why so many Chopin enthusiasts, who dislike Liszt on principle, allow themself to like this work. It has less to do with its persistent Chopinesque elements, and more to do with unaccounted Lisztian assets. Conversely, many Chopin enthusiasts 'don't' like this piece but aren't sure why. Hear it instead as LIszt, and it makes more sense, until such a time when you no longer need the crutch of this device to mediate your dispute between the two.
Rebecca Penneys uses tonal pedal in order to maintain initial c# and mix it with the upper voices. I love her version, so imginative and different. Unlike Ohlsson´s so typical and predictible...
@dejuren Bro, there have been plenty of non-white composers from the classical era (and before) through to the modern day, and neither was Europe itself as ethnically homogeneous as you seem to think it was. The fact that you think Wesley's request was so ridiculous really proves his point, that these composers need more widespread exposure.
@dejuren Even on a structural level, non-white people had an important role in the development of western musical practices. Europe has always had significant contact with the Arab world and North Africa throughout history (even during the relatively insular Middle Ages), for instance, and that cultural exchange included the introduction of many important instruments to Europe (such the drum family and as the predecessors to the violin, oboe, guitar, and piano). Musical practices (and architecture, cuisine, medicine, etc.) in Spain and Portugal were especially strongly influenced by Arab culture, seeing as Muslims had controlled parts of the Iberian Peninsula for 800 years.
@dejuren Well-known at the time in France, and also increasing well-known today as an example of an under-recognized composer of color. They even made a movie about him last year (titled 'Chevalier').
If only it hadn't been written in this utterly illegible monstrosity of F-sharp major key... He could have put it into F or G-major, saved us all a lot of bother, while sounding absolutely the same.
@@paulenhelenjonsthovel9311 What, the fact that F-sharp major is particularly problematic for sight reading? I've been playing the piano for 27 years, should I pretend that F-sharp major is easy to read and think in? Also, I absolutely stand behind the other thing I said, G-major or F-major would have been preferable, for reasons of clarity. And especially since back in Chopin's day tuning standards were different and mostly lower than 440 Hz of today. So you can't really claim that he'd envisaged this piece in F-sharp as we hear/play it today.
It sounds beautiful in f sharp,I couldn't imagine it any other way. And the trills and double trills would be much more problematic in a key without all the sharps. Chopin knew what he was doing, and if you have a hard time with f sharp then you must not be very good
Okay. I've never cared for the Barcarolle, and this explanation doesn't convince me otherwise. There is little rhythmic variation in this piece, little diversity in its sections, little contrast, little varieties in the textures, (just a bunch of chords throughout), little variety in dynamics, etc., compared to every other large-scale work by Chopin, including his ballades, his longer polonaises, his fantasies, etc.
A few years ago, in Dallas, Garrick Ohlsson played Beethoven's Fourth Piano concerto. During the slow Second movement, the huge Meyerson Hall entered another dimension - the audience went into quiet ecstasy, and time and space dissolved. That was a moment of pure magic elevating the human souls.
Tonebase, I really enjoy your videos, especially these ones wher you speak with prominent musicians. I like hearing them talk about all the details of a piece!
Garrick Ohlsson has the best way of explaining. Mustn't be 'solid and factual', that was probably the best description of lifeless playing I have heard. Is he a professor? Cos the world could benefit from his explanatory powers.
Many years ago I heard an all-Chopin recital and was surprised to find that the Barcarolle was my favorite piece of the night. Later I realized that it really was my favorite Chopin piece. Too bad this video doesn't get to the ending, which is perfect.
@@GUILLOM ok... at the very beginning they both point to the "contrapuntal" nature of the opening, which of course has been pointed out by critics and musical analysts for a hundred years (probably longer) and is not truly counterpoint or contrapuntal at all. This is a type of accompaniment appears many times in Chopin. It is not unique to this piece.The rest is just HIGHLY subjective examples of how it should be played. There is no insight that reveals Chopin's genius. Pointing out how Chopin begins the beginning of phrases on the second beat....No, sorry, the first beat is just as important and is part of the phrase, Garrick. BTW, i LOVE the way he plays. I have admired Maestro Ohlsson since I first saw and heard him play in the early 1970's at my college. He should stick to performance. I could go on.