Why Civilization Is Older Than We Thought 

We will not know the true history of man until we start looking in the right place. It is known that man had a preference for costal habitation. We also know that ice ages, and the intervening periods between have resulted in sea levels fluctuating by hundreds of meters. I suspect much of early man’s presence is now well under water. In many instances, Km from present coastlines.

The bottom line to all this is we don’t know shit about the past. We make judgments based on our own experiences and limited understanding of the past. And anyone who thinks that they do are usually the last people you want to rely on for information. The academic community does not have a patent on the past. They are as fallible as anyone else and pray to their own self importance.

The problem with the story of Gobelki Tepe is its not a unique site. Several sites like this is being found all over Turkey now. It looks like it may be a large society that exsisted in Anatolia.There needed to be some way to feed the large number of people in the area.

Our history book should be about 50000 years old not 8000

Congrats on the well trained AI model on vocals & a great presentation

I find that most 45 minute videos could easily be condensed to about 10 or 15 minutes, with the essential points grasped in a couple of statements. Not yours though. This video is so densely packed with novel & relevant information, that I'll be revisiting it for some time. Magnificent work.

The simplistic, linear view of human progress taught in schools needs to be completely revised. Human history has been cycles of progress and collapse, two steps forward one step back, not a straight line between antiquity and today, and certainly not from pre history to civilisation.

How dare those smugglers take precious artifacts and sell them to private collectors where only a few people get to look at them. They should all be in a box in the basement of some museum where no one ever gets to see them like most artifacts.

The answer is - It all depends on how someone defines civilization.

talking of the two Buddha being destroyed. historical statues in the US and Europe have been destroyed recently by the public not the government??

Spectacular! Comparative analysis, critical thinking, readable and absorbing. Thank you so much! God bless our eggheads🎉

Wrong think on the beringia folk. Sure, the innu came over via, but the plains Cree and Dene legends speak of a northward migration, following the receding glaciers into new fertile land. Dene and Navajo language are quite similar. Dene maintain, that have and will always be here (Turtle Island)

Hello from a fellow San Franciscan. Most people don’t know that the tulip, and many of our other garden flowers, came from Asia Minor. Great video, thanks.

Thanks for sharing.

Very nice, great observations.

Can't ignore the garden of eden at the mouth between the tigress and euphrati rivers. My grandmother and others knew about these sites even when it was blocked by the ottoman empire she told me and she passed away in mid 1980s

The parallels with us making up stories about our pasts and our ancestors doing the same is fascinating and a testament to our ability to project things and ideas and then bring them to fruition for others to see is amazing as well. Too bad people don't stop and think for themselves rather than rely on theories and hypothesis.

Already, we have to drop away our absolute prejudice of modern Christian/Islamic/Judaism bias. Many comes to anointing the Fertile Crescent as the origin of human civilization. Win verifiable evidence as places throughout eastern Africa has the oldest remains of human populations, we merely have places we are modern people have not looked. The reason why this area of turkey has generated excitement in many ways beyond a revenue stream for the country of Turkey (the modern country nation state that serves as that for the Roman Empire’s Christian city of Constantinople, home of its first church the Hagia Sophia, and later the Ottoman Empire capital of Istanbul… because it shatters the falsely, derived religious beliefs of trying to fit the entirety of human history into the space of the three western religions creation story timeline. Import, scientist and archaeologists are trying to fit actual human history into religious biblical myths. The real reason is that not only is Gobeki Tepe is far older, but many of the civilizations across many places of time are likely falsely dated to be younger. That falls dating is purely arbitrary, and does not reflect the evidence.

I saw a now old TV show where they spoke of an ancient lost Asian civilization that was spoken of by the already ancient Mongolian and other dynasties in that area. Allegedly it was suggested that a network of wall foundations long buried in the sands might have been that civilization. The idea that any cultures around Mesopotamia considered themselves the oldest civilization is preposterous. It's as silly as the six thousand year old earth concept.

The ubiquitous hand bags

The "handbags" at the top, represent water. There's plenty of other examples all over the place, but some showing the people using them to get water. SO they are just buckets. The pillar matches the Mazzaroth. Many believe it has to do with Noah or his relatives.

Well said! And not disproven by those that only accept "peer-reviewed" info. I am always amazed that "anthropologists" can construct a whole culture out of a couple finger bones and some rock chips and ignore structures that display higher technology.

Likely the vulture was how the dead were managed prior to some type of internment

That city life is a defining human phenotype makes sense. No need to be overly categorical about it, but one thing you would do while living there would be building stuff, and telling stories about why, distilling the stories into images. Francis Scott of Yale iirc wrote a book "The Art of Not Being Governed" where some agriculturalists fled the rice paddies and the tax man and left the books and the writing behind as well, to live in the jungle or forests and hills. He didn't suppose that to be a human phenotype, but why not? I choose to live far from cities and towns, and I wonder sometimes why anyone would -- but you are more social when young, and have more energy to party. We should not assume the sacred temples were never great dance clubs, or that that was not their primary purpose. They may not even have been narcissistic conformists, but spiritual and beautiful dreamers who slept well had no enemies or fear of death. Poets. Who lived in the moment, in the Earth, with the stars and planets and the space between, continuous with the space within.

This is absolutely fascinating. There's a lot to digest here.

The objects to the right of the vulture on the Gobekli stone (that was carved before agriculture started) sure looks like sheeves of wheat.

The symbolism looks to me as if, on the right hand side, two birds are copulating. On the left hand side the big bird is holding an egg, and on the bottom right a baby bird. So, an indication of it representing fertility.

Wow I never considered that, is the story of the forbidden fruit a metaphor for agriculture?

The structure may have been a place where they brought their dead to be consumed by vultures. The symbols on the stone carvings were to identify the tribes that used them.

IMO GT was a potlatch site and thus you should compare with Chinooks rather than Florida. The source of all the fish was in the Euphrates, just north of the site, the source of all the game was in the extremely fertile valley to its south. Just because they built their "totems" on stone it does not make them a civilization. We know how potlatch work: various popular leaders rally their teams into competing for achievements such as bringing the most fish to the communal feast or rising the most beautiful totem. GT should have not been much different. Also in terms religious I rather compare with Zoroastrianism, especially because of how the death are disposed of (to the vultures) in the iconography. The Yazidi are interesting but don't seem to provide any clue for this, much more common historical Zoroastrianism does instead (and sure: I know Zoroastrianism probably began in BMAC but where did BMAC or its precursor Neolithic originated?)

I think Ren is one of those people fascinated by historical entertainment - from Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales (c. 1342-1400) with his Tales of Violet, Screech and Jenny, through every genre that’s come since . He is so incredibly well educated…add that to his talents and I think he can be considered a polymath. That was in response to your Clockwork Orange question…he doesn’t limit himself to a specific demographic audience…he makes his audience work, I doubt any of us get all his references. I’m loving your Ren reactions - thank you.

Nice. I'm a biologist and I've come up with the same conclusions. It's a hard subscribe for me.

Want the real Samo voice back!!!!

The myths of Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest record geological events possibly 10,000 years ago. Cultural memory is a fascinating phenomenon.

The widespread use of agriculture very likely took many thousands of years and very likely found its genesis in more than one place. Looking at the level of technology at use in Gobekli-Tepe, it would appear that the use of agriculture in the region was already well established long beforehand.

Wow! Great stuff!!!

Agriculture evidence either exists or it does not. The definition of civilization can be debated but it does not change the past. Society obviously started becoming complex before full mastery of agriculture.

Scary to think how easily Mao could have destroyed that terra cotta army.

We really need to search the floor of the Persian gulf where the coastlines would have been during the lowest sea-levels. We also need to follow the cart-ruts from Malta and other places when they go underwater and see if they lead to something submerged under several hundred feet of water. India has confirmed underwater cities in the gulf of Cambay. Unfortunately underwater archeology is astronomically expensive.

The biggest misunderstanding about our past is that history does not follow a gradual path. So it's not possible to explain 150,000 years of history when you do not know about the cycle of seven natural disasters that is affecting our planet Earth and its inhabitants in a severe way. That cycle is mentioned in several ancient books as the Mahabharata from India and the Popol Vuh from the Maya. Such a cycle can only be caused by a celestial body that is approaching the sun and its planets with long time intervals. We found pictures of that approaching planet. We now know this planet as planet 9 or X. As an effect of these recurring disasters, civilizations come and go in a fixed schedule of five. Four live only a short time and are less developed and one lives much longer and is at the end highly developed. This cycle goes back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue in the futurre. Countless names are used worldwide to name this planet and the disasters that are battering the planet Earth. Noah's Flood maybe the best known. Phaeton, Quetzalcoatl, Shiva or Nibiru are others. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle and its timeline, the rebirth of civilizations and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". This book answers many of your questions about ancient history. It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: invisible nibiru 9

So Cool you got to go and see this . Thank you for being truthful . This Realm is so 0ld b\c everyone had to get Here through Parents .

Great new facts. The mystery continues.

Sorry, I posted the previous comment before I looked into your other content. I thought you were an ancient history channel, but it seems that you're mostly political content?! Subbed.

What’s up with the handbags? Why are the handles off set with an animal perched on top? Could they represent arks?

It’s impossible to know just how old our world is nor is it possible to speak of the first of anything!

Ancestor worship is the basic foundation of this behavior

I think as amusing, bemusing and conflicted we humans are...we still exhibit pretty much the same behaviours as our primate ancestors....and the rest is just created self promotion, artifice and distraction to make it look and appear like we are either more or less civilised that we are! 😂😂😂!

After Angkor Wat's discovery of the "circuit city" I have no doubts in my mind. We're probably not even the first industrial one, but I know that may be fantasy too much.

When i first started paying attention to the past....humans were definitively 150,000 years old and civilization was 6000 years old. If you argued against that, you were a quack. Today, 35 years later, humans are closer to 300,000 years old and one of the sites in turkey (golbekli or Kharahan tepe) is the oldest civilized site. So, to me, anyone who claims, without a doubt, that these are the thresholds and that humans or civilization is no older than this, has a closed mind. Humans could well be much older, maybe 500,000 years old, who knows? The earth is big if we have found the oldest little skeleton in this vast land, its a miracle.. Tbere is still so much to find, im sure. And in being 300,000 years old, im sure that some groups of clever humans got together and built some stuff yet to be found, maybe 240,000 years or 190,000 years ago. Maybe it didnt survive test of time. So, i guarantee that civilization is much older than what is found in turkey.

Looking back through history, everything that people thought they knew as fact, was later laughable.

Could this be a rural 'backwater' that survived due to elevation and chance?

Could that be a person upper left between the 2 “purse” handles? And an animal of some sort between the handles of “purses” 2 and 3? Could the “purses” be a barrier between where the humans and animals reside and where the Vultures reside?

Money is the root of all evil. If people didn't care about profits there could be so much more we could learn. For as smart as our species appears to be we are woefully unaware of our history

The forbidden fruit was grain? Who's Maliktous? A character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel?

Has anyone considered the idea that Gobekli Tepe was build by a civilization of intelligent vultures. Humans seem to have a low position on the totem pole.

It would have been real cool if you had more images about some of the ruins you've mentioned instead of just the single piece of rock with the average turkish man on it.

Fascinating 🤯

How about a few pictures of the tulip-shaped air traffic control tower or the many billion dollar new airport itself? This IS a video channel.

If you look at the image from the bottom up, it seems to depict whole creatures, a particle (which the creatures are made of), waves (which the particle is made from), and handbags... which the waves are made from?

We still aren't civilized. If we were we would all be practicing The Golden Rule.

Interesting! However, I may have been a bit distracted, but did I miss the bit where the actual age of civilisation was mentioned?

Reading through the comments here is an eye opener in the ignorance of the modern "civilization" on Earth now

Great news about Erdoğan’s positive disposition towards archeology in Turkey and an interesting forecast, why the 44 min long preamble?

'Urartu' is where we get Ararat.

History and climate change is what the people in power say it is... Thanks so much for the video and info.

Handbags? They could just as easily be padlocks? Or are they depictions of the Earth beneath and the Dome of Heaven above?

the first presidet of Turkey, Ataturk deliberatly "westernized" especially in architecture, where in the late 20's and 30's he invited european architects to built new modern structures as they were fleeing fascists.

Define "civilization"? Where are the cities of Nevali Corian? Temples are not civilizations, cities are.

So the primary reason it is difficult to find ancient ruins isn't the random damage by nature, but the deliberate interference by us humans?

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The bag. The basket. Look. There are 3 bags (Baskets) on top of this stone. Bags and baskets have been featured on stones and megoliths all around the world. What's with the bags? They have to have a deeper meaning. Edward Leedskalnin (I hope I spelled his name right) creator of the "Coral Castle" was seen by a few small children moving giant blocks of stone. When they got home their parents asked them how he moved the stones and they said "He moved them with the Ice cream cones".

Humanity's reboot by nuclear annihilation is a well known occurrence. We are due

Civilisation is YOUNGER than you think !

Why are the same carvings found on Easter Island ?.

Great

Well. Everybody was wrong in the end we killed ourseves and fought over nothing

Many people and many civilizations. They grew, learnt a little and died. Just as ours will. Better luck next time around kids.😎

Great essay, i cant wait for intelligent People to start thinking outside the current paradigm in archeology and to not have to only ones talking about this be People like Hancock etc. No offence to him, i guess he should get credit to the extent that he is helping change the conversation but he is often wrong. If humans have been anatomically similar for 200k years i think Samo is even being modest in his 20k year bet, no doubt our boundry for where history and civilization began is only epistemic

Don't need the page turning sound effect

3 seed bags = Noah’s 3 sons Emaciated animals and stone idol is Noah and animals , famished after rough voyage. Noah , depicted drunk and naked and drunk, as recorded in genesis. Soft floode sediment , now petrified allowed easy formation of T pillars symbolizing Taurus as Noah was progenitor of humanity. Water symbol at base of dolmen symbolizes flood waters. The horizontal member is Noah’s barque one of which was coated in pitch

Is that three hand bag with a hand on the ancient stone,what is the meaning of the hand bag.

Worryingly good AI.

when our early astronomers n scientists faced the wrath of those who had ruled by religious books, they too would have similar difficulties as are evident here and also in many other areas of archaeological studies. and today we have more than just religious books, we also have books for high level scholars to deal with. and of course anything not in the books become hearsay, maybe even heresy

What do the carvings of handbags mean ?.

Wonderful- I hope the Turkish government indeed embraces the site for the long-term as a part of national identity. I like your focus on the centrality of urbanism to human nature. Although tangential to your main point, I'd also have mentioned the behavior of the Huguenots and English revolutionaries as examples of iconoclasm.

Relay is an Olympic game😮

It was a hunting lodge

Human beings doing art with no writing points to a lack of the power of speech.

so we are NOT listening to a Human Being....

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The ancient Greeks they explained.

Archaix that's all I'm saying

The T shape was designed to support the body of the dead for the vultures to consume prior to the tribes final ritual of internment

I don't care what P H Lovecraft said.... God has created all things....By the Power of His Word... ☝️🙏🕊️🌹✝️

Can't listen to this with the computer guy. That's on all the stupid ads

Cane was made to wander upon the earth after killing Abel. He was the maker of cities. His father was the serpent and probably taught his son to build.

Same voice as nde story RU-vid channel

Why is civilization older than we think? Well maybe it's because none of us are getting any younger. ....js

(Sub'd to support your works) *The bags represented them "Carrying in the Knowledge"* Clearly, there were the individuals that were: "the bringers of Knowledge" and in the history, plus time and changes 9f bloodline leaders, the story either got Revised, misinterpreted by the early people's, and/or *Misinterpreted by Modern Academics/Archaeologists, applying God to what was akin to a Titled Individual, ie: like a Lord in Britain, being misconceived by a modern academic as a "god" (little "g"). Copy of my previous comment: *We are in the era of great Realizations, the Authentic Minds, that follow the "Standards of Science and Research" are gaining the momentum towards affecting greater Facts.* The Standards require: *"Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and Ideas, allowing for the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts."* Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists use a *"19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline as their Fact Foundation."* This is clearly outside the boundaries of "the Standards of Science and Research" Keep a note of this going forward, I'm surprised how Dogmatic the Mainstream Academics have proven to be. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian