@@mRibbons He might be but I can't help to think those actions kill his narrative. I always thought that he didn't change to the light until after Luke became enraged. But I know there is so much more information than when it first came out.
@@dmichael1172 lol I was mostly joking about Anakin's arrogance, but as I mentioned that moment of clarity was brief. I agree that Anakin didn't return to the light until he saw his son dying... but Vader mention Leia _before_ getting disarmed. It was then where Luke tossed aside his saber and rejected Palpatine.
A nice pragmatic analysis. It seems both Vader and Dooku were ignorant of the rule of two and Vader realized it but Dooku did not. I believe in the moments before Vader threw Palpatine down, He saw his own death by the hands of his own son and a fate worse than his own for Luke as well, and that is why he killed the Emperor.
Palpatine never subscribed to the rule of two. Vader, Dooku, Greivous, Ventress, the red guard, the inquisitors, etc. The rule of 2 died with Plageious and good riddance.
Palpatine indeed did not hold himself to the Rule of 2. He believed in the Rule of 1. He held back knowledge from everyone he taught or lorded over, including Vader. The Inquisitors were simply fallen Jedi tortured into hunting down their former comrades, the Royal Guard (even the few Force sensitive among them) were just that - merely guards, no matter how elite. Ventress was Dooku's "assassin", mirroring how Palpatine excused Maul before Plagueis as not breaking the Rule. Point being, none of those other Dark Siders were technically Sith because Sidious knew enough history to know that a coalition of weaker Sith could and would band together to destroy him and then fight amongst each other so he only ever kept one true apprentice at a time.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel my memory might be fuzzy, but I only recall Palpatine ever only having one apprentice and always "teaching" only one apprentice. This, by practice, is the rue of two. The fact that he did not teach his students everything about the Sith only meant he was shrewd and he was always looking for a better apprentice to take his place. Afaik someone following the rule of one does not seek to be replaced nor do they take an apprentice, but lords over the rest of the Sith as one.
Sidious always intended to replace Vader every since his failure on Mustafar. From that point on he was just a tool to be used by Sidious until he found a new apprentice to take his place.
Yeah he kept throwing shit at him to see if he would survive. If he did then he wasn't that bad, and it would distract him from taking his place. If he didn't then, he has found more useful toys. I mean tools. Win-win for Sheeve! What's funny is he had the audacity to call this 'teaching' lmao
@@Conquerthe_world Sidious got his chance when Luke blew up the first Death Star. Sidious basically spent the next 2 movies using Vader to do all the hard work in grooming his own replacement.
I mean Dooku saving Obi Wan even though he had a clean shot at killing him proved pivotal for the fate of the galaxy so when you think about it he's pretty important if we look at the grand scheme of things
@@MogoFromHell Yeah, Dooku's actions during the TCW says differently, both in the show and the comics. And the fact that he told Yoda in the animated series that he was in too deep to turn back says he was a fully committed Sith, no matter how well he dressed up his intentions as being noble.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 committed to the project, and of yes did some horrible stuff, I'd say more out of pragmatism than relishing in the emotions, passion and hate that Sith relish in.
I think this idea is cinematically reinforced by the fact that when Luke knocks Vader down the stairs, Vader stands and looks back up the stairs at Luke as he shuts off his light saber. As you said, Vader realizes that Luke has seen something that he failed to see so many years ago and has chosen a path that he failed to take, that he regrets not taking. In that moment, he is physically and figuratively looking up to his son.
I completely agree. Vader saw the truth. What Sidious really is. He remembered how he killed Dooku. How he went to the dark side. Luke switched off lightsaber,refused the dark,hatred. He choose light and love. That changed everything. The events decades prior. I hope you have great day too :) May the Force be with you too
In my opinion, Vader did not turn to the light until he saw his son in pain. Not until the moment that Luke, in the throes of agony as he was electrified by Sidious, called out to his father, as Anakin, not as Vader. That is the moment Vader saw the light, gave up the hate, and drew upon his compassion for his son as a Jedi.
He was being worked on from the moment Luke was brought before him on Endor. Possibly even before then, as far back as when Luke leapt from the tower on Bespin rather than join him. The way his arm went slack and just dropped, or the softness of his voice when calling Luke "son" as he watched the Falcon fly by. He was so shaken there that he didn't even punish Piett for apparently failing him. I honestly think that without even consciously trying to, Luke all but willed the good nature of Anakin back into being over a span of time and then capitalized on it at the right juncture. The fact that he believed so strongly that his father could be saved was actualized in that moment when his son was about to die in front him. This is appropriately why I agree with Mark Hamill in that Luke would never have just given into fear and even thought for a moment about killing a loved one who was in danger of falling to the dark side. A man who was willing to die himself rather than do that to a proven monster like his own father? He wouldn't do that to his sleeping nephew.
This a great example of how you enhance an existing scene. I love this. In a way, the moment Luke disengages his lightsaber, resists darkness, and forgives his father, it allows his father to forgive himself & do the same. You could also imagine the parallels to seeing Obi-Wan give him mercy & refusing to kill him, then to see his son do the same years later, without temptation and mastery of the force. Anakin saw the forgotten potential in himself, and saw his son become the student he wishes he could’ve been with Obi-Wan, and what light was still left.
U briefly mentioned him thinking back to the duel of mace Windu and palpatine, but didn’t talk about it at all, I’m interested in hearing about that, too!
If I had to guess, it probably alludes to the fact that Windu being on the cusp of killing Palpatine was mere theater meant to further incite Anakin into crossing the line. Sidious being "captured" and Dooku engaging Anakin and Obi Wan was the same. Vader realized these occasions to all be manipulations of his master meant to bring about a certain outcome.
There's a theory when Darth Vader blocked Luke's lightsaber from killing the Emperor he wasn't trying to protect the Emperor he was trying to save Luke from making the same mistake he Did when killing Dooku
@Spice Kai I also believe this theory it makes more sense than him trying to protect the Emperor who would torment him and always try to find Replacements for Darth Vader
The theory doesn't hold up as credible at all, considering the fact that Vader proceeded to push Luke by saying he was going to make an apprentice out of Leia.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 yeah that's true I Don't think he would've actually made Leia his apprentice he was just trying to Get Luke to Give into his anger and turn to the Darkside
Palpatine was able to manipulate others to fall into the rule of two to his benefit many times. He even perverted what the idea meant. As it was intended to create a successor to the master not vying for apprentice. Any truth was neatly disposed of with plaguis's death and Jedi never knowing in the first place. This proves that palpatine was holding all of the cards and everyone else was just in his game.
i watch way too much Star Wars content. This video was fantastic!! Keep up the great work. Why do people not realize that ROTJ is about Anakin, not Luke? UNRELATED QUESTION- In the Mandalorian it started that you couldnt take off your helmet infront of other people and now its you cant take it off at all. Wouldnt it become unhealthy to leave it on constantly? Your hair, sweat, earwax and damage to your eyes and skin? It would become an unhealthy soldier covered in sores and infections. Am i taking Star Wars to seriously or do i have a decent point?
When Sidious insisted that "the son of Anakin" was to be killed, Vader suggested an idea to turn Luke to the Dark Side instead. I believe the reason Vader brings this up was because a fraction of Anakin was still alive in him.
It's funny how many things in Star Wars fall in place without, probably, having been as over-analysed/written in the first place. Shows how the storytelling is deeper than it seems. Sw is pretty simple in it's premise, but the fact that we can squeeze out so much out of it really highlights the fact that simple doesn't mean stupid. Though in this instance it might not be coincidence, because... It's like poetry, th... It rimes.
I think this is from a novelization written after the prequals came out. I also believe that more weight should be placed on whst is seen in the film. Vader does go after Luke with rage but what he finds is that he can’t get him that way. So he tries threats to others. But what he sees as Luke deactivates his blade is that his son is just as much his mother as he is Anakin. He sees a jedai not a jedi. One in Luke that has balance with in himself. As Luke allows the emperor’s force lightning to hit him, and pleads with his father, Anakin sees a chance, a chance to show his son, the man that was his father, the man that Padme loved. A chance to not fail her again. To save not the Galaxy, not balance the force, but to be there for one moment to embrace the greatest gift a man will ever receive to be a father. In that moment Anakin still on his knees in the Chancellor’s rose to his feet, in this moment he chose Padme, he chose fatherhood and the unconditional Love of a father for his son. He screams No, grabs the emperor sending him into a rage blackout and tosses him into the reactor core of the Death Star. Ending him and redeeming himself. Vader was gone and only Anakin remained. Mortally wounded but spiritually whole again.
I know Empire is usually everyone's favorite SW film but mine is ROTJ there are so many deep internal spiritual conflicts that once you see them it is truly impactful. Not to mention as content comes out RTOJ just becomes better and better.
Oh god, the headaches those two would cause the Jedi Council alone would be hilarious. Jedi Council "No, you cannot go and help ease the suffering of that planet's populace. The Senate will not allow it" Dooku and Anakin "You're not the boss of us. Also The Senate sucks." Sidious suddenly sneezes mid speech during a senate meeting.
The symbolism is further hammered home when Luke succeeds in cutting off Vaders hand (the one the Dooku, not Obi Wan, originally sliced off) and instead of taking advantage of the opening, Luke looks at his own bionic hand (the one Vader himself cut off) and tosses away his lightsaber.
I wonder how Anakin would have turned out if after Qui Gon’s death Dooku stayed with the Jedi and HE was appointed to train young Skywalker? No doubt Anakin would have been an even greater lightsaber duelist!
Had Darth Vader struck down Luke in cold rage, his power in the dark side would have grown immensely. What made Palpatine interesting for Plagueis is he was able to kill his father and his entire family too. With that power Darth Vader could have challenged Sidious and win. Or just annihilate each other.
Did Jedi ever need an occupational therapist to help with wrist injuries? A lightsaber blade has literally no weight to it and so its only momentum in the weight of the hilt, so heavy strikes would cause some pretty severe torque to the wrist joint, which would take the full brunt of the impact especially given the leverage a saber would have if struck at or near the end. Ouch!
The battle that defined Darth Vader was literally his fight with Obi-Wan. It was Obi-Wan that cut Anakin into pieces & left him to roast on Mustafar. Vader literally lives in his iconic life support suit thanks to Kenobi.
Fun story but I don't see it. He runs at Luke and says "it is not wise to lower your defenses". It is clear that Anakin is not considering going against Sidious until he finally sees Luke being hurt by Sidious. The moment of change is clearly indicated when he sees Luke suffering from the Force Lightning. I imagine he was thinking of Padme or had a spark of Padme in that moment and realized that this was his family.
It's as simple as this: Vader saw that Luke was seconds away from death and since his plan/desire was for Luke to turn and join him, so that together they could defeat Palpatine and rule the galaxy as father & son, his only logical choice was to kill Palpatine. If he didn't, Palpatine would've killed him as well - as soon as he found a new apprentice.
If Luke gave in and struck Vader down, the only result would be the death of Luke alongside his new master with the destruction of the Death Star II. Remember, the rebels destroyed the shield generator on Endor at that point, and the fighters were flying in for the final blow. The Sith would be destroyed along with the Jedi's best and brightest with them.
I'm not convinced that Vader would have struck down Luke. The longer he was around Luke, the more Anakin was coming back to life within. Vader hated Sidious all along and knew that it was clearly over between them when Sidious prompted Luke to kill his father. The opportunity to pounce on a distracted Sidious was a rare one, and not to be missed.
I feel one of two things would of happened if Vader cut down Luke. 1. Nothing would of changed between his and Sidious' dynamic. I find this to be the unlikely outcome though as the other is 2. Sidious would kill Vader, he definitely heard Vader mention another Skywalker and would connect the dots immediately the Jedi were fearful of Palpatine for a reason, at this revelation Vader's usefulness would be at a end, and he'd of reached the point where he was no longer the apprentice but a rival, a rival that would be weakened physically and emotionally.
I think Luke can tell Vader didn’t truly want to kill him, even though you said he wanted too because he wanted to show sidious wrong but I think that was wrong, I don’t think Vader ever truly wanted to kill Luke and his feelings changed completely when he saw Luke shut off his saber and said he forgives him, they both knew they didn’t truly want to kill one another, there’s a big difference between dooku and anakin fight and that is Vader actually loves Luke well I should say anakin, as he is his and padme’s offspring and Luke in return also felt anakin did and knows Vader didn’t try his best to kill him, though that’s just my opinion.
I guess Vader was thinking that Luke would kill Vader and replace him but since Luke didn't, he realized he should save him and kill the emperor. I mean, let's be real, the emperor manipulated both the jedi and the sith lol
I would love to see a video on the different lightsaber colors of SWTOR. Luke's Lightsaber in The Mandalorian was exactly the color of the "Sea Green" Crystal from SWTOR with a hint of blue in the core. I don't know how you could do it, that's up to you lol, but I will watch it if you make it :)
Anakin Skywalker had to choose, family or his slave master. He chose liberation to save Luke and to save him from Sidious. But alas some of us knew what happened; Sidious used Spirit transfer to live again in a new vessel. And still got Luke to be his apprentice. Dark Empire is were it continues on. But it was Leah, Luke Skywalker's sister who stepped up to avenge the Skywalker saga, and she was ridiculously powerful. And ended the rein of Sheev Palpatine forever. But my question is did Dooko helped Luke in anyway, did it happen in the book's or was it just speculation here? Honestly I'm trying to figure it out.
If Anakin really was evil he wouldn't have waited to bring Luke to the emperor instead of trying to have a heart to heart talk with Luke he wants to save his son from his fate
That’s funny. The parallel between those two fights is blatantly obvious but I don’t think ever gave it any thought. I mean, I saw it but I didn’t think much of significance.
If Vader killed luke I think Luke’s ghost would appear to leia and tell her she must begin training as she is the last hope for the galaxy. If she still had Ben i think Vader would be hell bent on turning him to the darkside as he did with Luke.
I don’t think so well legends wise atleast. They couldn’t feel the yuzhang vong in the force and had to be careful when fighting them. Canon I’m not sure.
@@A1Yay1408 The Yuuzhan Vong had all been stripped of the Force to such an extent that they didn't appear visible to the Jedi's Force senses, therefore the Jedi could not read their intentions the way they would with normal foes
yes... at least pre-Disney that was part of how Force precognition worked in a fight; the Force user could see into the mind of an opponent to read their intentions
Best moments in starwars ever. Too bad Disney betrayed George Lucas and trashed starwars. I don’t even consider that crap cannon. More like a legends story. Only things cannon are what George Lucas did, OR atleast approved of.
Ain't no point in watching this video, the title is a HUGE stretch just to get views. Dooku wasn't there at the death star in anyway shape or form and had nothing to do with the events after he died in episode 3 plain and simple no need to read too far into or anything or make wild unnecessary connections to unrelated events. Period.
palpatine “came back” to life thoo.🤣🤣🤣 shocker on Vader so who really won here k hmmmm 🤣 did Vader bring back a zombie 🧟♀️ Padme and she didn’t event want his ass
