Why Crash Physics SUCK in Racing Games... 

No car brand wants to see their car's broken in pieces, hence why BeamNG has fictional cars

Simple, blame the whole copyright system.

This is precisely why BeamNG right now has incredible modded multiplayer sim racing communities. The game gets away with damage because it has fictional cars, and a game engine capable of handling the physics at hand. The game's customization going all the way down to the level of letting you drive a bare chassis with no body whatsoever, allows for sufficiently more types of motor racing than any other game period, and on top of this, while we used to lack tire thermals, tire wear, and drafting, this is no longer the case, as all of these missing features have been modded in by the community, and this includes to some extent track limits, hot lap leader boards, and various other racing focused modded multiplayer servers that achieve real competitive racing within BeamNG. Alongside the game engine optimizations of BeamNG's new Vulkan renderer, which has become stable enough in recent updates to easily handle a 6 hour multiplayer session, the experience BeamNG now offers is absolutely unbeatable when you meet the right people and get into these niche communities of like minded BeamNG sim racers. BeamNG is slowly but surly becoming the best Racing game imaginable, but it's number one flaw remains it's image issue and how that results in people just not taking it seriously, because it's the crashing game. BeamNG stopped being just a crashing game the moment BeamMP got good enough for close racing.

BeamNG enter's the chat

Okay, I understand Ferrari, they appreciate the work of their designers, but Rolls Royce doesn't want to see dirt and dust on their cars? Very logical and realistic.

Project Cars 2 had a pretty good damage model, suspension breaks, bumpers fall off, engine knocks/lose power, overheats, or even blows up

ferrari: "we dont want our cars being damaged in your game because then, that will completely ruin the chances of people buying our 300k+ cars!" rolls royce: "we don't want our 500k+ cars being dirty because then that will make us look cheap and no one will buy our cars!"

a very compelling intro. you should start more of your videos like that

It very hard to do crash physics. beamng is 10 years old and is still in early access. Some other rasons include: -lag -physics interferring with the arcade aspects of the game -multiplayer races turning into demolition derbys

Games with licenced cars over a decade ago actually had good damage like Need for Speed Hot Pursuit and Driver San Francisco. It's just unfortunate we don't really see that anymore.

And when you have insane crash physics like BeamNG or Burnout Paradise, you have fictional cars

It’s definitely hard for them to extra model the Crash physics of every car

BeamNGdrive And Wreckfest HAVE BEST DAMAGE SYSTEM.

One day some child is going to think this is what physics are like irl

Funny thing, because Need for Speed Unbound has the 1984 Ferrari Testarossa, and when you deal so much damage to it, its hood falls out and you can literally see its engine. Really impressive considering it's a Ferrari model.

As a racer irl crashing is probably the thing to ruin an entire weekend 1: due to having to fix it, and 2: having to deal with the fact this one thing is prob gonna cost a grand or 2 to fix.

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well NFS Shift& SHift 2 were good with the damage

This is why Burnout is my favorite racing game series. When you crash, your car ACTUALLY gets destroyed, with not just panel deformation, but the chassis bends, and the cabin crunches and collapes. Even wheels come off.

Burnout Paradise crashing💪💪

Check out IRacing

Car damage being so poor really comes down to 2 things. 1. Most car manufactures do not like to see their cars being destroyed, wrecked, and mangled. Hence why games like BeamNG use fictional cars and all IRL cars are specialized mods. 2. the Physics, time, effort, money, and GPU/CPU power it takes to accurately simulate soft body physics and realistic crash damage is enormously high. Which is why BeamNGs graphics arent Forza, GT, or ACC level. As BeamNG to be as accurate as possible EVERY COMPONENT of the car is modeled and functions, even the ones you cant see like parts inside doors, seats, dashboard, engine, transmission, suspension, etc. Making having realistic crash physics unoptimized for large scale racing games and also way too expensive.

I think if a game is anywhere close to a fun driving game it shouldn't have too realistic crash damage. (baring crashing game such as burnout and wreckfest) I'm a racing game/sim fan and I like crashing physics as much as the next guy, but one time I have my friend that isn't that into racing game and try even just with assetto corsa crash mechanic seems to annoy them a lot because the consequence of crashing meaning a non-fully functional car.

May I introduce to you, Burnout Paradise

What about IRacing?

These indestructible physics remind me of the Fast and Furious crash physics lol

The Rolls Royce one is hilarious, "We don't want to see our cars obey the laws of physics in games" This is why I want more games with unlicensed cars. Bring back Burnout etc

The irony is: game studios actually have to pay the manufacturers for licensing real cars. So essentially they pay the brands to be allowed to advertise for them. But even despite that, the OEMs still reserve the right to object to the cars being damaged.

Since when do parents listen to age restriction I know so many parents they're like letting their five and 10 year olds play games that I don't even find interesting and I'm 60 so you know not because they're not good games but because they're just horror based or you know killing games I mean all these kids in Call of Duty Modern Warfare are like 10 years old you can tell when the voice chat when they sound like you know girls when they're boys that's how you can tell they're young and they're swearing up a storm. the parents don't care the parents are like OK there's a game kids are playing it they're out of my hair for like 5 hours it's the new babysitter who needs TV when you get interactive games. parents don't care parents don't even know what the games are they're just like Call of Duty modern warfare well that sounds like a fun game let's get him for the kids because different types of war games do different things like Pub G is very one-on-one attacking same with Call of Duty. but there's other games that are just just as bad they're horror games where you go around murdering people on purpose and gruesome ways and these kids are playing it and have a good time I mean I'm not saying they should be playing it but the graphics of the games is a little bit much for kids that age I mean I didn't have anything like that when I was a kid it was like pong and maybe Mario brothers or something like that son of the Hedgehog that kind of stuff good old-fashioned Nintendo and whatnot that's what we had as kids we had fun games which were tough to do you had to be agile for the games now it's like kill kill kill kill kill even if you're the good guy you have to kill kill kill kill kill.

Performance is a huge factor too, having very good crashing physics requires a device with powerful components

To be honest wreckfest has the best damage model if you take out beam ng drive.

Grid, grid autosport, nfs shift 2 are the ones that had cars where if you crash, the only thing that will left in your car is the frame

What about games like Grid 2 tho? they don't feature many different car brands but all of them suffer more damage than your average game

even in raceroom ive found the damage system to be really bad at times, even in cars that arent licensed (as far as i know) like the formula raceroom cars.

So the solution is to not use licensed cars, which brings up a question I've had for a long time. Instead of going into a licensing agreement, can you get in trouble for using a fairly accurate model of a car just without the badge? I see plenty of car games doing this nowadays and I'm just wondering how they get away with it.

This question is not related to cars or video games but its a general question As you may know Microsoft is known to buy Companies such as developers and publishers Which Publisher do you think they will buy next

mate you have great videos shame that you dont have more subs cuz you deserve them

i want my screen to jump to my face and break my nose whenever i hit a barrier head on

2:59 Trail Out is the next on the list

Imagine if all racing games had the beamng physics

DO "Why Playing Forzas ON Keyboard IS Better Than Wheel".

May I say that crashes are the last thing I watch in a racing game? Upset me when a short blames a game for a crash. Only in Rfactor F1s I found useful crashes, backending opponent's car drives to lose wings, making the cars not driveable at a race pace, a natural anti dirty driving system

The best damage model I see in a proper racing game is RBR, visually it's not outstanding (consider it's age), but it's very easy to knock you out of the race with engine or gearbox damage, or at least very hard to run with suspension on, and it takes tones of time to fix, time that you won't always have. It really add a layer of complex and mindset to the game.

Man, there is no issue in all this, just play damn Beamng Drive with some mods and you'll have the best sim racing experience

3:25 so we can just throw up a random swear word in a movie and remain E but its extremely forbidden to see a 0 safety star car crumble?

making crash damage video without mentioning Racedriver GRID 2010... smh im dissappointed 😤

if a developer made a game that had physics for the wheels and the body instead of just one unit they could make a game that can compete with beam-ng in terms of handling and irl feel 😅

Maby it is the type of game. All games exept gt are arcade style racing games. Look at grid, hit a wall slightly and steering's ducked. Beam and wreckfest are littarly soft body damage simulators. And then, a lot of the newer games (eg. the crew and horizon) can't even get their on track physics right so I guess we shouldn't burden them with even more physics on cars

PS1 racing games like Destruction Derby and Formula 1 97 even have better damage models than PS5 games.

"Crash physics suck in racing games" *_999 missed calls from Grid Autosport_*

Bruh didn't even touch on iRacing. If that's not a harsh damage model, IDK what is! (Except BeamNG of course).

Burnout Paradise sitting in the back:

Great Video!!⭐⭐

parents who care about age ratings in racing games are bad parents the crew 2 is labled as 12+ due to "bad language, sex", which is just.. wrong???

Forza horizon 2 has very good and realistic damage and this game is from 2014 and has licensed cars

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Pretty much the same with flight simulators, no plane company wants to see their planes smashed into a million pieces when players crash

Gran turismo has the worst damage physics ever made

The company’s that care about it are the companies that genuine have a bad product if they sold a good product that they were sure was reliable they wouldn’t care if they showed there cars being destroyed in games

Now that I rewatched this video, 2:02 if the whole point for cars manufacturer cars to be in racing games is that they advertise their own brand, why is it that they get paid for it?Xd

If we did have realistic crash physics in racing game Most cars wont make it pass the first lap without some griefer wrecking everyone

And 2 decades ago, racing games had realistic damage.

Your TOP 5 Games To Play On The Wheel??

If I did it would go like this Manufacture: do this Me: no

Rennsport which is a very good has a very nice damage simulation eventhouge is in the beta stage and it is also free to play

This is sad, but true. I remember hearing this years ago

One very important thing is the fact that realistic car damage is very resource intensive. That;s why beamng looks considertably worse compare to forza on the same pc.

Manufacturers not wanting to see a digital car in a video game that can be repaired instantly get damaged is such a lame excuse tbh

I can understand that, but why cars cant react realistic to colissions, or atleast in satisfying way like in need for speed underground for example when you crash with other car head on

Weil dann nach jedem kleinsten Unfall das Rennen vorbei wäre ;) / man muss halt den Spagat schaffen zwischen Spiel & Wirklichkeit

I think its best to create a racing game without licenses

Wrekfest having a Porsche 911: 😈

BeamNG 🙄 The more people try to pressure other people to play a game the less I want to play it.

NFS Shift was a real one for this

car manufacturers are ruining the potential of games and that same mindset of theirs is ruining the entire car industry

DiRT5 won’t allow you to paint a BMW pink or purple

"with alll the licensing and restrictions nowadays it is unlikely that you will ever get that experience in any of our favourite racing games" beamng is my favourite so yeah this is not true (i know you meant aaa titles)

Age restriction actually preventing kids from playing? I guess I was on a different planet when I played GTA 3 on PS2 at age 8

Has everybody forgotten about GRID? Say what you want about the recent titles, they have BY FAR the best damage models.

Beamng exists but it also highlights the limitations of realistic car physics. - First of additional cars in BeamNG has a high CPU cost. -Secondly you don't get to "cheat" with the non-player cars. Realistic physics can be really inconvenient when you just want to line things up perfectly. - Thirdly realistic car physics are not always fun to deal with. Especially when the understeer kicks in. - Not to mention physics in video games generally are jank. Beamng is fairly janky. Of course you can pick and choose like with Wreckfest. Have car deformation and lots of debris but gloss over the pesky stuff no one actually cares about.

Me when I play iRacing I "Slightly" hit the wall with my open wheel f4 car, wheel flies off, then after towing me for 4 minutes, I get told that "Thats it, we are cooked" because the damage is unrepairable. Goofy aa game. (Or when I crash in an endurance race and I get repaired for like an hour, funzies.)

Driver San Francisco probably one of the last few driving games to use licensed cars and show heavy damage.

1:32 which game are you playing

So, you mean it will never happen even if 10 years later from now?

beamng does have very good irl car mods

BeamNG DRIVE: Hold my soft physics

Have You Played Forza On Keyboard??

You're also forgetting, a simulation damage model would use up a lot of performance, for not much gain, as well as it would make arcade racing games more challenging and less accessible, thereby defeating the entire point of arcade racing gamea For simulation games I agree, we should have proper damage models, but for simcade and arcade I don't think it's a good idea

But the other thing is that You can download, lets a 911 Turbo it still gets destroyed

Iracing has a very good damage model

im Team Gran Turismo without a Damage Model

I therefore love Wreckfest.

driver sf have a damage physics

And that’s why BeamNG is the only racing game I play

That’s why the old NASCAR games are awesome

that's because an actual damage system would ruin the experince.

beamNG has an age restriction? lmao my 5yo son loves to fly off a cliff on there. it's harmless fun

Carx drift racing 3 and beamNG 💀

Turbo dismount: Hallo :D

Car manufacturers are all clown at this points.